Italians can be identified by these two songs:
Articolo 31 - Domani smetto
Articolo 31 - Italiano medio
You'll be perfectly able to understand what's going on if you listen to these songs...to bad I can't find a pre-made English translation..
Cheers,
... a (crappy) browser that doesn't let me do anything but what firefox does (maybe even better)?
No seriously, why?
To me Chrome OS is not an OS, is an os with only a broswer on top.
What happens when the internet is down?
What? What? What?
Will google success on this cr*p?
Partially true:
1) Sony owns the servers to let connect players.
2) Games sessions and transmissions are P2P using a STUN like protocol on UDP ports. No Sony hardware/cables/band is involved.
3) Sony is forcing developers to use this system on PS3 platform to control all.
Still I find it outrageous that I've had to provide my identity to Sony to use a third party functionality (SF4 is not provided nor sold by Sony - eg. when I buy a PS3 isn't installed by default).
Another thing I think is that Sony and mirco$oft should be forced by law to allow third part program run on their hardware without any restriction, as seen as when I bought my PS3 I am allowed to break it without having to pay to anyone: so I should be allowed to use it to full potential (no locks etc etc).
Totally agree with you, that's why piracy sucks...because nowdays when you play the pirated game you discover 85% of the times it sucks and you're so happy you didn't throw away money on that.
A bit like some movies; for example The Ugly Truth. Me and my GF were so happy we did download this for free: even that we can have Odeon tickets for free, this movie is not even worth just the time you spend to go to the cinema (you should be paid to watch that s*it).
Again, I'm watching the Life documentary on BBC now. That's great, and today I went searching for the BD edition in some libraries, and it was a shame is not out yet. And consider I would not be a pirate if I download this because I've already paid 130 GBP for the BBC this year, but still I would pay 20~30 quid to get the full serie in BD.
And yes, I've bought WoG as well and I was happy spending the 20 USD price to get it for Ubuntu...
Is it free or not?
Jokes apart, compare this with World of Goo feedback. Given that 80% of WoG players could have a pirated version of the game, still devs don't complain and indeed made a give-us-what-you-want birthday sale.
And apparently it worked.
Apparently people want freedom to do what they want with their devices, they want to install what and from where they prefer.
The app store model is broken...too much control in Apple's hands...people don't like this so the chances that they'll use a pirated version are higher.
I don't own an iPhone, but a PS3. When I had to sign up to play SF4 online on their PSN I was so mad at them. Sony doesn't own my PS3, they don't own the copy of the game and don't own the connection used to move data between my host an other players.
Again, the point is simple: piracy will always be there, and most of all, don't think that the 80% of pirated copies would translated automatically in sold software. You're wrong.
the C++ GTK+ interface is great...deploying GUIs is really easy, swing/awt like...
Plus you have very good STL support and a lot threading/files/io cross platform support.
And it's proper C++!
Couldn't agree more, but everyone has his tag price, and just take a look at the so called Watchdogs... they don't do nothing and are all friends coming from the same banks/universities... too sad...
That's the point.
In RL governments can act and do something about the economy, make laws, bail banks... but all the bribes, the people in key position, the network of friends, will always allow the banks to be essentially free (eg. leveraging and taking more risk), and basically all the good words that are being spent now on the banking sectors will just be words.
Instead in a MMO everything is under control.
Too much gold?
Increase repair price/decrease loot, etc etc.... well add new taxes. If RL governments do so banks will move offshore or in other countries where taxes are acceptable (to their standard...).
The difference with RL is that Blizzard will never bail The Big Guild going bankrupt because too many wipes/enchantments/etc etc..., but RL governments had to.
In an MMO you just go grind and magically you get money. Then you have sinks like the gear/enchantments/etc etc.
Again, saying that governments had to bail the banks doesn't mean that the economy is controlled; btw in MMOGs you totally lack the investment part of the capitalistic economy; you can only throw away your money on some item that will become useless in 2~6 months, you can't use your money to make more money*
* practially you can....if you have some in game cash you can briefly get the monopoly of some kind of commodity (eg. reagents) and put the price you want; I've done it a couple of times in WoW...I invested 5k in one particular reagent, managed to get 6k in some hrs... .
I've played WoW for some time...
I got all game +2 expansions, so 40 eur + 2*25 (?) = 90.
and then the subscription costs: 4 years/6 month rate is= 11*12*4 = 528 eur.
total: ~620 eur.
Not so cheap isn't it? just consider that for Wc3 I've spent only 90 eur... (game + TFT)...
Anyway, even a game as SF4 on PS3 can be very expensive: game: 30 GBP, proper pad: 30 GBP proper joystick (couldn't fully enjoy playing with pad) : 40 GBP = 100GBP...
Gaming today is expensive...
Is not just for kids anymore...
Cheers,
Hahaha, you're totally wrong.
You're such in case of epic failure:
- Here is the license for the C++ runtime library (an example).
- Here you can read about the license of gtk+ library, and its purpose.
Again, basic OS libraries should be given under the LGPL or special license as the gcc/g++ exceptions.
You should clarify your mind. gcc/g++ is GPL, bu the GPL part applies to the compiler itself. And indeed, the runtime libraries, needed to run the code compiled with gcc/g++ are under a LGPL like license.
Why should I use gcc/g++ under Linux?
- Best compiler, always up to date
- Best support under this OS
- Sort of reference-like amogst the c/c++ compilers?
Have fun,
Oh, yes, then if I would use gcc/g++ to compiler my code shall I feel forced to released the app under the GPL?
The same applies to the GUI libraries.
Really would you prefer a gcc/g++, gtk+ under GPL or LGPL?
gcc/g++ and gui libraries are so generic, I mean, I'm not talking about some specific software, but to the most generic libraries that are building blocks of everything else...
Be honest...
Yeah but for utility libraries one expects to use them as LGPL, to encourage different kinds of developing.
Imagine if the gcc/g++ libraries were GPL only... who would ever sell an application for Linux.
Again, I'm in favour of open source, but in favour of a free choice for developers/publishers as well.
Hence for basic libraries the LGPL should be a must.
You see?
This is the point. Actually I'll tell you more.
Think that for one release of TBC Blizzard devs found a bug (audio bug) in their client thanks to wine (rumors are that they test it even on wine before releasing it).
Not only that. Once I was talking to a GM and he confirmed that even if unofficially wine is not supported he knew a lot of different users of WoW+wine.
I've played 4 years at WoW (3 years on wine/Ubuntu), managed to get 2 chars at rank 11/12 and be around 2k rating in the whole TBC.
Now I don't like WoW anymore but the point is, if I'll buy SC2, I'd like to play it natively on Linux.
Again, what disappoints me the most is that as now thanks/due to wine Linux gaming is not taking off. Is wine a break or fuel to a potential take off?
I hope is fuel but I fear will be a beak in the long term.
Exactly, the point is why are Blizzard's reps not being honest on this.
Or probably a better question would have been What should Linux supporters do to make you develop Linux clients of your main titles?.
Possible answers?
- Nothing, because we're scared of MSFT
or
- This, this and that......
Let's see what happens...
The same has been valid for me mate, from 2005 to 2009.
I managed to run both WoW and Wc3 TFT at the same time with Wine (I was waiting for bg queues...).
The point is that this is a vicious circle. Will Blizzard have the nuts to break it, officially acknowledging that Linux user base/gamers do exist?
I mean, with the wine excuse they can afford (and make money) to keep the lights turned off on Linux gaming.
For one instant, just guess what could happen if Linux would be supported officially from Blizzard. What a huge positive ripple effect could have on the current scenario where Linux usage statistics are improving each day?
I then interpret this as if people playing with wine would switch to Linux, we would have only the expense to realize a new version of WoW, *next game*.
So is he paradoxically suggesting that to show how many people play with wine, and to ask Blizzard to create a Linux version, all those people should leave WoW until a Linux native client is released?
Honestly that makes sense, they would really count how many people are playing on Linux.
But he already knows this will hardly happen. How can you dare suggests to WoW addicts (ahem players.. - it's a joke) to stop playing WoW to make Blizzard release a Linux client? Couldn't Blizzard realise a poll on their website/whatever, only for subscribed, asking if they would play on Linux if a native client was there?
I don't know...this is why Blizzard's answers sound a bit dodgy. I think they fear 5~10% of players would answer yes, thus forcing them to release a Linux client. But now they're pretty fine with wine...it costs nothing and increase their player base...
But maybe I'm wrong...
Any other ideas?
Pretty smokey answers...Why don't they just say: no, we won't because wine works 100% and we do want to profit from that? or Yes, we're now counting you (Linux users) guys and we'll see what happens??
Or did I miss this? When someone asks for clarification, hopefully he should get...instead this is once again more confusing....
Or hopefully is just me. Can someone please explain the meaning of their answers please?
For sure the new deal with Zenimax has influenced the independence of id.
I mean, the fact they are developing a Linux version for QL is good and reflects that Linux market does exist.
What scares me are the motivation added by JC.
I really find hard to understand about the codepath optimization when:
- 2~3 years ago the Linux version of Doom 3/Quake 4 was faster on Linux than Windows, with worse drivers (you have to admit Linux drivers have been better in these years)
- ET:QW runs smoother on Linux than on my Win XP partition
Again, how comes that drivers have been only getting worse in these last 3 years? I really don't understand this.
Plus, as someone else has already pointed out, if they do a Mac port (it's a unix system as well), how difficult can be to make a Linux port (the most evoluted and used unix system on this planet)?
I've read poor logic in these emails.
Considering Carmack is a very smart and logic person, I'm very surprised by these answers.
Or Zenimax has bought id's freedom, or the emails are fake.
Mate, the point is that I've played for 4 years (with a pause of 3 months in 2005, 2 months in 2008).
Honestly I find the game boring and time-consuming, as seen as I'm interested in PvP part and the game is definitely not balanced, plus all the defects we know.
I've enjoyed playing with friends for some years, but now I'm fed up with endless games whose only scope is to improve a virtual char.
I had fun playing countless Arathi Basins, with my rank 12 mage or my rank 11 rogue, but now if I want to play a videogame, I don't want to spend more than 20 minutes per match, without having to worry to keep up-to-date (read need to acquire better gear) my virtual alter ego.
Indeed, I'm waiting for proper PvP games, like SCII, or games where I can stop and play for 20 minutes, then play again, without having to mess around with my RL, which, imho, is a lot better to deal with than a virtual world.
That's why I'm playing Street Fighter IV on my PS3. A match lasts for 2 minutes max, it's ranked and I can decide if I want to stop or play another.
I'll look forward to SCII, because as far as I'm concerned 20 minutes for the average game are ok.
I haven't given up on Linux or Blizzard, just on WoW. And frankly, is a lot better.
Get out of the Matrix!
Cheers,
Mate, do you have any link to it?
Honestly I don't want to spend money for other 3/6 months, as seen as I'm personally enjoying SF4 (balanced PvP game...).
My account is still valid (it expired 8th of Aug). Can I be eligible to vote for Linux?
Naturally I'd buy a new PC to play SC2, but only on Linux (with or hopefully without wine).
Cheers,
This is why I've posted 6 related questions (if you notice from Q1-->Q6 is the natural evolution of some kind of dev-like questions).
Being a dev which has done some research on GP/GPU for 5th univ year thesis on OpenGL (both win32 and Linux), and that I'm generically interested in wine (I've recompiled and was profiling my own build), I can uderstand my 6 questions are a bit naive but I think those could be of general interest for the community (both non experienced devs and curious people).
Cheers,
Slashdot Mirror
Italians can be identified by these two songs:
Articolo 31 - Domani smetto
Articolo 31 - Italiano medio
You'll be perfectly able to understand what's going on if you listen to these songs...to bad I can't find a pre-made English translation..
Cheers,
Ps. I'm Italian
Il Giornale
Libero (his ex-wife controls it but de-facto he is)
Oggi
Chi
Because IT term is so generic... plus many times is used with as a bit of downgrading term...
Cheers,
... a (crappy) browser that doesn't let me do anything but what firefox does (maybe even better)?
No seriously, why?
To me Chrome OS is not an OS, is an os with only a broswer on top.
What happens when the internet is down?
What? What? What?
Will google success on this cr*p?
Ciao!
Partially true:
1) Sony owns the servers to let connect players.
2) Games sessions and transmissions are P2P using a STUN like protocol on UDP ports. No Sony hardware/cables/band is involved.
3) Sony is forcing developers to use this system on PS3 platform to control all.
Still I find it outrageous that I've had to provide my identity to Sony to use a third party functionality (SF4 is not provided nor sold by Sony - eg. when I buy a PS3 isn't installed by default).
Another thing I think is that Sony and mirco$oft should be forced by law to allow third part program run on their hardware without any restriction, as seen as when I bought my PS3 I am allowed to break it without having to pay to anyone: so I should be allowed to use it to full potential (no locks etc etc).
Ciao!
Totally agree with you, that's why piracy sucks...because nowdays when you play the pirated game you discover 85% of the times it sucks and you're so happy you didn't throw away money on that.
A bit like some movies; for example The Ugly Truth. Me and my GF were so happy we did download this for free: even that we can have Odeon tickets for free, this movie is not even worth just the time you spend to go to the cinema (you should be paid to watch that s*it).
Again, I'm watching the Life documentary on BBC now. That's great, and today I went searching for the BD edition in some libraries, and it was a shame is not out yet. And consider I would not be a pirate if I download this because I've already paid 130 GBP for the BBC this year, but still I would pay 20~30 quid to get the full serie in BD.
And yes, I've bought WoG as well and I was happy spending the 20 USD price to get it for Ubuntu...
Ciao!
Is it free or not?
Jokes apart, compare this with World of Goo feedback. Given that 80% of WoG players could have a pirated version of the game, still devs don't complain and indeed made a give-us-what-you-want birthday sale.
And apparently it worked.
Apparently people want freedom to do what they want with their devices, they want to install what and from where they prefer.
The app store model is broken...too much control in Apple's hands...people don't like this so the chances that they'll use a pirated version are higher.
I don't own an iPhone, but a PS3. When I had to sign up to play SF4 online on their PSN I was so mad at them. Sony doesn't own my PS3, they don't own the copy of the game and don't own the connection used to move data between my host an other players.
Again, the point is simple: piracy will always be there, and most of all, don't think that the 80% of pirated copies would translated automatically in sold software. You're wrong.
Ciao!
the C++ GTK+ interface is great...deploying GUIs is really easy, swing/awt like...
Plus you have very good STL support and a lot threading/files/io cross platform support.
And it's proper C++!
Cheers,
to MSFT.
Sorry could not resist...
Cheers,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Muntz
Couldn't agree more, but everyone has his tag price, and just take a look at the so called Watchdogs... they don't do nothing and are all friends coming from the same banks/universities... too sad...
That's the point.
In RL governments can act and do something about the economy, make laws, bail banks... but all the bribes, the people in key position, the network of friends, will always allow the banks to be essentially free (eg. leveraging and taking more risk), and basically all the good words that are being spent now on the banking sectors will just be words.
Instead in a MMO everything is under control.
Too much gold?
Increase repair price/decrease loot, etc etc.... well add new taxes. If RL governments do so banks will move offshore or in other countries where taxes are acceptable (to their standard...).
The difference with RL is that Blizzard will never bail The Big Guild going bankrupt because too many wipes/enchantments/etc etc..., but RL governments had to.
In an MMO you just go grind and magically you get money. Then you have sinks like the gear/enchantments/etc etc.
Again, saying that governments had to bail the banks doesn't mean that the economy is controlled; btw in MMOGs you totally lack the investment part of the capitalistic economy; you can only throw away your money on some item that will become useless in 2~6 months, you can't use your money to make more money*
* practially you can....if you have some in game cash you can briefly get the monopoly of some kind of commodity (eg. reagents) and put the price you want; I've done it a couple of times in WoW...I invested 5k in one particular reagent, managed to get 6k in some hrs...
.
I've played WoW for some time...
I got all game +2 expansions, so 40 eur + 2*25 (?) = 90.
and then the subscription costs: 4 years/6 month rate is= 11*12*4 = 528 eur.
total: ~620 eur.
Not so cheap isn't it? just consider that for Wc3 I've spent only 90 eur... (game + TFT)...
Anyway, even a game as SF4 on PS3 can be very expensive: game: 30 GBP, proper pad: 30 GBP proper joystick (couldn't fully enjoy playing with pad) : 40 GBP = 100GBP...
Gaming today is expensive...
Is not just for kids anymore...
Cheers,
Hahaha, you're totally wrong.
You're such in case of epic failure:
- Here is the license for the C++ runtime library (an example).
- Here you can read about the license of gtk+ library, and its purpose.
Again, basic OS libraries should be given under the LGPL or special license as the gcc/g++ exceptions.
You should clarify your mind. gcc/g++ is GPL, bu the GPL part applies to the compiler itself. And indeed, the runtime libraries, needed to run the code compiled with gcc/g++ are under a LGPL like license.
Why should I use gcc/g++ under Linux?
- Best compiler, always up to date
- Best support under this OS
- Sort of reference-like amogst the c/c++ compilers?
Have fun,
Oh, yes, then if I would use gcc/g++ to compiler my code shall I feel forced to released the app under the GPL?
The same applies to the GUI libraries.
Really would you prefer a gcc/g++, gtk+ under GPL or LGPL?
gcc/g++ and gui libraries are so generic, I mean, I'm not talking about some specific software, but to the most generic libraries that are building blocks of everything else...
Be honest...
Yeah but for utility libraries one expects to use them as LGPL, to encourage different kinds of developing.
Imagine if the gcc/g++ libraries were GPL only... who would ever sell an application for Linux.
Again, I'm in favour of open source, but in favour of a free choice for developers/publishers as well.
Hence for basic libraries the LGPL should be a must.
Cheers,
You see?
This is the point. Actually I'll tell you more.
Think that for one release of TBC Blizzard devs found a bug (audio bug) in their client thanks to wine (rumors are that they test it even on wine before releasing it).
Not only that. Once I was talking to a GM and he confirmed that even if unofficially wine is not supported he knew a lot of different users of WoW+wine.
I've played 4 years at WoW (3 years on wine/Ubuntu), managed to get 2 chars at rank 11/12 and be around 2k rating in the whole TBC.
Now I don't like WoW anymore but the point is, if I'll buy SC2, I'd like to play it natively on Linux.
Again, what disappoints me the most is that as now thanks/due to wine Linux gaming is not taking off. Is wine a break or fuel to a potential take off?
I hope is fuel but I fear will be a beak in the long term.
Cheers,
Exactly, the point is why are Blizzard's reps not being honest on this.
Or probably a better question would have been What should Linux supporters do to make you develop Linux clients of your main titles?.
Possible answers?
- Nothing, because we're scared of MSFT
or
- This, this and that......
Let's see what happens...
The same has been valid for me mate, from 2005 to 2009.
I managed to run both WoW and Wc3 TFT at the same time with Wine (I was waiting for bg queues...).
The point is that this is a vicious circle. Will Blizzard have the nuts to break it, officially acknowledging that Linux user base/gamers do exist?
I mean, with the wine excuse they can afford (and make money) to keep the lights turned off on Linux gaming.
For one instant, just guess what could happen if Linux would be supported officially from Blizzard. What a huge positive ripple effect could have on the current scenario where Linux usage statistics are improving each day?
I then interpret this as if people playing with wine would switch to Linux, we would have only the expense to realize a new version of WoW, *next game*.
So is he paradoxically suggesting that to show how many people play with wine, and to ask Blizzard to create a Linux version, all those people should leave WoW until a Linux native client is released?
Honestly that makes sense, they would really count how many people are playing on Linux.
But he already knows this will hardly happen. How can you dare suggests to WoW addicts (ahem players.. - it's a joke) to stop playing WoW to make Blizzard release a Linux client?
Couldn't Blizzard realise a poll on their website/whatever, only for subscribed, asking if they would play on Linux if a native client was there?
I don't know...this is why Blizzard's answers sound a bit dodgy. I think they fear 5~10% of players would answer yes, thus forcing them to release a Linux client. But now they're pretty fine with wine...it costs nothing and increase their player base...
But maybe I'm wrong...
Any other ideas?
Cheers,
Pretty smokey answers...Why don't they just say: no, we won't because wine works 100% and we do want to profit from that? or Yes, we're now counting you (Linux users) guys and we'll see what happens??
Or did I miss this? When someone asks for clarification, hopefully he should get...instead this is once again more confusing....
Or hopefully is just me. Can someone please explain the meaning of their answers please?
Cheers,
Honestly I'm not very surprised.
For sure the new deal with Zenimax has influenced the independence of id.
I mean, the fact they are developing a Linux version for QL is good and reflects that Linux market does exist.
What scares me are the motivation added by JC.
I really find hard to understand about the codepath optimization when:
- 2~3 years ago the Linux version of Doom 3/Quake 4 was faster on Linux than Windows, with worse drivers (you have to admit Linux drivers have been better in these years)
- ET:QW runs smoother on Linux than on my Win XP partition
Again, how comes that drivers have been only getting worse in these last 3 years? I really don't understand this.
Plus, as someone else has already pointed out, if they do a Mac port (it's a unix system as well), how difficult can be to make a Linux port (the most evoluted and used unix system on this planet)?
I've read poor logic in these emails.
Considering Carmack is a very smart and logic person, I'm very surprised by these answers.
Or Zenimax has bought id's freedom, or the emails are fake.
Cheers,
Mate, the point is that I've played for 4 years (with a pause of 3 months in 2005, 2 months in 2008).
Honestly I find the game boring and time-consuming, as seen as I'm interested in PvP part and the game is definitely not balanced, plus all the defects we know.
I've enjoyed playing with friends for some years, but now I'm fed up with endless games whose only scope is to improve a virtual char.
I had fun playing countless Arathi Basins, with my rank 12 mage or my rank 11 rogue, but now if I want to play a videogame, I don't want to spend more than 20 minutes per match, without having to worry to keep up-to-date (read need to acquire better gear) my virtual alter ego.
Indeed, I'm waiting for proper PvP games, like SCII, or games where I can stop and play for 20 minutes, then play again, without having to mess around with my RL, which, imho, is a lot better to deal with than a virtual world.
That's why I'm playing Street Fighter IV on my PS3. A match lasts for 2 minutes max, it's ranked and I can decide if I want to stop or play another.
I'll look forward to SCII, because as far as I'm concerned 20 minutes for the average game are ok.
I haven't given up on Linux or Blizzard, just on WoW. And frankly, is a lot better.
Get out of the Matrix!
Cheers,
Hope not to duplicate this.
Mate, can I vote with my account? I'm not subscribed anymore but the account is valid.
I'd surely vote for Linux!
Cheers,
Mate, do you have any link to it?
Honestly I don't want to spend money for other 3/6 months, as seen as I'm personally enjoying SF4 (balanced PvP game...).
My account is still valid (it expired 8th of Aug). Can I be eligible to vote for Linux?
Naturally I'd buy a new PC to play SC2, but only on Linux (with or hopefully without wine).
Cheers,
This is why I've posted 6 related questions (if you notice from Q1-->Q6 is the natural evolution of some kind of dev-like questions).
Being a dev which has done some research on GP/GPU for 5th univ year thesis on OpenGL (both win32 and Linux), and that I'm generically interested in wine (I've recompiled and was profiling my own build), I can uderstand my 6 questions are a bit naive but I think those could be of general interest for the community (both non experienced devs and curious people).
Cheers,