A domain that I have owned for years suddenly had someone from the University of Wollongong, (I googled that; it's somewhere in New Zealand) as the technical contact...
Yeah, just like the University of California is somewhere in Canada.
Maybe some 'hacker' had been screwing around with Google?
I agree, but I think part of the problem is they require the examples to work on IE 5. As we all know IE 5 has some serious box model and positioning bugs that would make it very difficult to pull off. As well have having very limited selectors available.
I'd like to see a csszengarden spin off that only required browsers like Moz 1.4+ and Opera 7+ - no IE.
One factor that would influence these netcraft stats is that W2003 has a low cost 'web only' edition that W2000 didn't have.
If a bunch of hosting companies that switched from windows to linux purely because of cost got themselves a much cheaper windows version, it stands to reason that some would switch back.
1) You missed my retraction/comment above about confusing the Postfix license with tcpwrappers. Although why you quoted that bit then went on about Qmail is a little baffling.
2) re Qmail, WTF are you talking about? All I did was agree to a point that it's license and the stated goals of OpenBSD were incompatible - is that not the case? I made no judgement about the validity of either side.
I stand by my original post stating that the licensing is the issue. Unless, of course, Postfix has adopted a proper BSD license in the two months since that posting.
You're right, I must've misremembered the relicensing of tcpwrappers (not Postfix) during the license audit a while back - hence the "as far as I know" bit. tcpwrappers license probably wasn't the product of IBMs legal dept like the Postfix one is.
I still maintain that OpenBSD uses sendmail by default for non licensing reasons though (ie features, and being audited/patched). If Postfix or Exim was changed to a pure BSD license they would still use sendmail for their own technical reasons. They've had issues with sendmail licensing in the past too according to Theo (the June thread).
It's licensing issues. The qmail license is completely unacceptable, and the postfix one contains too much legalese. exim is GPL'ed, and they're trying to remove GPL'ed material from the tree, not put it back in.
It's more to do with old school unix purism wanting to support all sendmails features, and the fact they've invested a shit load of effort auditing and patching it.
But as you say Qmail and Exim are non starters license wise (the OpenBSD team don't have a problem with the Postfix license anymore as far as I know). Postfix is a simple drop in replacement for sendmail on a BSD system that uses mailwrapper (ie OpenBSD, and probably the others).
I haven't seen 3.3 or 3.4, but 3.2, which is barely a year old, still runs BIND 4. The current version of BIND is 9. This gives you some idea of how the OpenBSD team things.
BIND 9 (with patches) was included in OpenBSD 3.3.
Actually, Outlook 2003 will allow you to do exactly this. You will have symbolic links just as the original post described. I think of them as SQL 'views' in a SQL Server paradigm.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to pointing out Evolution did that first to the next whiner that claims it is just an Outlook clone:)
I set it up for our web designers who needed a way of putting newsfeeds on a site they were building. It handles caching etc, and just puts the rss content into an a php array for you to display how you like.
I've always wondered why you need drivers for RAID...
AFAIK you build your raid array for say mirroring using the bios of your raid chipset (promise for example). Then it makes sure that any write to hda is actually also a write to hdb. So I think it's purely a bios issue and nothing for the OS to do...
NT and Linux don't use the BIOS at all once the kernel has loaded into memory. The BIOS is only used for booting off the controller. It's also probably the same on OS/2, BeOS and *BSD - Win9x was a bit of a hybrid case with both protected mode and real mode stuff.
IDE users of NT have had that hidden from them a little by having a basic ATA driver bundled with the OS that works with nearly everything. SCSI NT users have always had to pick drivers for their adapters though.
As I recall, it's section 4 of the license (Commercial Distribution) that's the problem. Search an archive of the misc@openbsd.org list for "postfix license" and I'm sure you'll find several instances of the flamewar.:)
Is that still a problem? I'm just curious, I haven't kept up with that issue.
I seem to recall during OpenBSDs big license audit, they had an issue with the Postfix license, contacted Wietse about it, the license was modified ever so slightly and everything was all sweetness and light again.
I get the feeling OpenBSDs reasons for not dropping sendmail are: a) Because Sendmail was traditionally the defacto unix MTA standard, they want to support every last Sendmailism. and b) they've invested so much blood sweat and tears auditing it they don't want to throw that effort away, and start again from stratch (admittedly Postfix wouldn't be as hard to audit as Sendmail).
I do use Postfix on OpenBSD. I just compiled the source from postfix.org and it worked perfectly.
Samba isn't about creating a new 'innovative' network file system - it's about a tool for interoperating with the widest spread legacy protocol out there. And if you have noticed, MS isn't exactly keen on adopting any of the innovative open source ones like OpenAFS or CODA etc.
There are plenty of innovative open source protcols out there, but how do you expect them to be adopted when just about everybody else (ie MS) won't use them? And in the meantime you'd deny the usefulness of Samba?
It's a chicken and egg situation, and Samba breaks that. Samba allows Unix/Linux/*BSD to interoperate with Windows networks. Then once open source stuff is installed widely, then you can start using other open standards.
why is the community chasing M$ in it's hide&seek strategy? Isn't the M$ auth GINA (what a lousy name...) whatever replaceable? Screw them! Let's interface windows auth methods to unix rather than run after their stuff. Wouldn't it be cool if the samba tree included some.dll to log a M$ box into an ldap ssha or cert , standards kerberos environment?
There is an open source GINA implementation to auth against other services.
http://pgina.xpasystems.com/
I think it comes in two parts, one a general backend and there are a bunch of different auth systems.
Algebra requires you memorize hundreds of formulas, steps, rules, conditions, etc and thats exactly why I cant remember it no matter how many times I learn it.
If you thought Algebra was memorising hundreds of snippets, then your teachers sucked. They aren't seperate rules, just different ways of applying a few general principles.
The teachers should've helped you grasp the underlying principles rather than just memorising rules for every possible situation.
Its also useless, all the stuff you memorize never applies to anything in the real world.
If you don't understand it, how can you tell it never applies to anything?
A 'CV' is just the snooty name for a résumé, especially if used outside Europe. A lot of people seem to think that using latin somehow gives them a professional highbrow edge.
or....
What's a résumé? Something to do with resuming a career?
It's the pretentious french name for CV, especially in the US.
In NZ, CV is the common name - hell most people probably don't realise it's short for some latin stuff.
The only possible way in which a steel frame may be more comfortable than aluminium (all other things being equal) is if there is some difference in the way it vibrates.
I think that's the gist of it. I'm not a good enough cyclist (mountain biking) yet to really tell, but I can feel a similar effect with my windsurfing masts.
The carbon fibre content of a mast determines it's response time - ie the time is takes to flick back to it's orginal shape after flexing. A carbon fibre mast of the same stiffness as an old fibreglass model has about half the response time. While being lighter (and that's good), it's mainly the faster response time for carbon that made the old fibreglass ones obselete.
With bikes, I suspect it's the slower response time of steel that makes them more comfortable rather than them being more flexible.
Who is this curly-haired kiwi that his experience is noteworthy?
Ummm, the editor of a consumer level magazine for Windows users (mostly). And the article was printed in NZ's largest newspaper. This wasn't aimed at computer/IT industry readers.
As for the newsworthiness of posting it to Slashdot, the only reason I can think of is the intended audience is people that would normally be scared of leaving Windows. It is newsworthy for it's intended audience though.
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Shouldn't this be in "Your Rights Offline"?
:)
Or am I underestimating 1870s technology?
I thought this was a troll, but it's WAY too over the top for trolling. This is satire, and it's pretty good.
:)
Satire? Seems more like slapstick to me
A domain that I have owned for years suddenly had someone from the University of Wollongong, (I googled that; it's somewhere in New Zealand) as the technical contact...
Yeah, just like the University of California is somewhere in Canada.
Maybe some 'hacker' had been screwing around with Google?
You forgot the "you insensitive clod" bit!
Yes, *ox is now *oxen in the plural
Ok then, what about 'bollox'? Does that make 'bolloxen' a second order plural?
Bolloxen sounds a bit like a anti dandruff shampoo or something.
I agree, but I think part of the problem is they require the examples to work on IE 5. As we all know IE 5 has some serious box model and positioning bugs that would make it very difficult to pull off. As well have having very limited selectors available.
I'd like to see a csszengarden spin off that only required browsers like Moz 1.4+ and Opera 7+ - no IE.
One factor that would influence these netcraft stats is that W2003 has a low cost 'web only' edition that W2000 didn't have.
If a bunch of hosting companies that switched from windows to linux purely because of cost got themselves a much cheaper windows version, it stands to reason that some would switch back.
now if you could just rig it so OS X would run on one of these babies...
:)
I thought there was a Mac on Linux project that could do stuff like that - I could be wrong though
its sounds rediculously easy to me.. it would seem like it could be written in less than a 200 lines or code..
That sounds like the geek version of a redneck saying "hey y'all, watch this..."
Famous last words.
Two points:
1) You missed my retraction/comment above about confusing the Postfix license with tcpwrappers. Although why you quoted that bit then went on about Qmail is a little baffling.
2) re Qmail, WTF are you talking about? All I did was agree to a point that it's license and the stated goals of OpenBSD were incompatible - is that not the case? I made no judgement about the validity of either side.
I stand by my original post stating that the licensing is the issue. Unless, of course, Postfix has adopted a proper BSD license in the two months since that posting.
You're right, I must've misremembered the relicensing of tcpwrappers (not Postfix) during the license audit a while back - hence the "as far as I know" bit. tcpwrappers license probably wasn't the product of IBMs legal dept like the Postfix one is.
I still maintain that OpenBSD uses sendmail by default for non licensing reasons though (ie features, and being audited/patched). If Postfix or Exim was changed to a pure BSD license they would still use sendmail for their own technical reasons. They've had issues with sendmail licensing in the past too according to Theo (the June thread).
It's licensing issues. The qmail license is completely unacceptable, and the postfix one contains too much legalese. exim is GPL'ed, and they're trying to remove GPL'ed material from the tree, not put it back in.
It's more to do with old school unix purism wanting to support all sendmails features, and the fact they've invested a shit load of effort auditing and patching it.
But as you say Qmail and Exim are non starters license wise (the OpenBSD team don't have a problem with the Postfix license anymore as far as I know). Postfix is a simple drop in replacement for sendmail on a BSD system that uses mailwrapper (ie OpenBSD, and probably the others).
I haven't seen 3.3 or 3.4, but 3.2, which is barely a year old, still runs BIND 4. The current version of BIND is 9. This gives you some idea of how the OpenBSD team things.
BIND 9 (with patches) was included in OpenBSD 3.3.
Actually, Outlook 2003 will allow you to do exactly this. You will have symbolic links just as the original post described. I think of them as SQL 'views' in a SQL Server paradigm.
:)
Yeah, I'm looking forward to pointing out Evolution did that first to the next whiner that claims it is just an Outlook clone
Have you tried Magpie?
I set it up for our web designers who needed a way of putting newsfeeds on a site they were building. It handles caching etc, and just puts the rss content into an a php array for you to display how you like.
I've always wondered why you need drivers for RAID...
AFAIK you build your raid array for say mirroring using the bios of your raid chipset (promise for example). Then it makes sure that any write to hda is actually also a write to hdb. So I think it's purely a bios issue and nothing for the OS to do...
NT and Linux don't use the BIOS at all once the kernel has loaded into memory. The BIOS is only used for booting off the controller. It's also probably the same on OS/2, BeOS and *BSD - Win9x was a bit of a hybrid case with both protected mode and real mode stuff.
IDE users of NT have had that hidden from them a little by having a basic ATA driver bundled with the OS that works with nearly everything. SCSI NT users have always had to pick drivers for their adapters though.
As I recall, it's section 4 of the license (Commercial Distribution) that's the problem. Search an archive of the misc@openbsd.org list for "postfix license" and I'm sure you'll find several instances of the flamewar. :)
Is that still a problem? I'm just curious, I haven't kept up with that issue.
I seem to recall during OpenBSDs big license audit, they had an issue with the Postfix license, contacted Wietse about it, the license was modified ever so slightly and everything was all sweetness and light again.
I get the feeling OpenBSDs reasons for not dropping sendmail are:
a) Because Sendmail was traditionally the defacto unix MTA standard, they want to support every last Sendmailism.
and b) they've invested so much blood sweat and tears auditing it they don't want to throw that effort away, and start again from stratch (admittedly Postfix wouldn't be as hard to audit as Sendmail).
I do use Postfix on OpenBSD. I just compiled the source from postfix.org and it worked perfectly.
Samba isn't about creating a new 'innovative' network file system - it's about a tool for interoperating with the widest spread legacy protocol out there. And if you have noticed, MS isn't exactly keen on adopting any of the innovative open source ones like OpenAFS or CODA etc.
There are plenty of innovative open source protcols out there, but how do you expect them to be adopted when just about everybody else (ie MS) won't use them? And in the meantime you'd deny the usefulness of Samba?
It's a chicken and egg situation, and Samba breaks that. Samba allows Unix/Linux/*BSD to interoperate with Windows networks. Then once open source stuff is installed widely, then you can start using other open standards.
why is the community chasing M$ in it's hide&seek strategy? Isn't the M$ auth GINA (what a lousy name...) whatever replaceable? Screw them! Let's interface windows auth methods to unix rather than run after their stuff. Wouldn't it be cool if the samba tree included some .dll to log a M$ box into an ldap ssha or cert , standards kerberos environment?
There is an open source GINA implementation to auth against other services.
http://pgina.xpasystems.com/
I think it comes in two parts, one a general backend and there are a bunch of different auth systems.
This gets "+5, Interesting"? He didn't even say who "we" actually is. "We" could be a Fortune 500 company, or "we" could be him and his pet fish.
I don't know about you, but I'd find a Fortune 500 company being staffed by one guy and a pet fish pretty interesting.
They are setting up a Linux lab, and after all the noise they've made they'd have to buy a license, right?
Algebra requires you memorize hundreds of formulas, steps, rules, conditions, etc and thats exactly why I cant remember it no matter how many times I learn it.
If you thought Algebra was memorising hundreds of snippets, then your teachers sucked. They aren't seperate rules, just different ways of applying a few general principles.
The teachers should've helped you grasp the underlying principles rather than just memorising rules for every possible situation.
Its also useless, all the stuff you memorize never applies to anything in the real world.
If you don't understand it, how can you tell it never applies to anything?
A 'CV' is just the snooty name for a résumé, especially if used outside Europe. A lot of people seem to think that using latin somehow gives them a professional highbrow edge.
or....
What's a résumé? Something to do with resuming a career?
It's the pretentious french name for CV, especially in the US.
In NZ, CV is the common name - hell most people probably don't realise it's short for some latin stuff.
The only possible way in which a steel frame may be more comfortable than aluminium (all other things being equal) is if there is some difference in the way it vibrates.
I think that's the gist of it. I'm not a good enough cyclist (mountain biking) yet to really tell, but I can feel a similar effect with my windsurfing masts.
The carbon fibre content of a mast determines it's response time - ie the time is takes to flick back to it's orginal shape after flexing. A carbon fibre mast of the same stiffness as an old fibreglass model has about half the response time. While being lighter (and that's good), it's mainly the faster response time for carbon that made the old fibreglass ones obselete.
With bikes, I suspect it's the slower response time of steel that makes them more comfortable rather than them being more flexible.
Who is this curly-haired kiwi that his experience is noteworthy?
Ummm, the editor of a consumer level magazine for Windows users (mostly). And the article was printed in NZ's largest newspaper. This wasn't aimed at computer/IT industry readers.
As for the newsworthiness of posting it to Slashdot, the only reason I can think of is the intended audience is people that would normally be scared of leaving Windows. It is newsworthy for it's intended audience though.