This is hilarious. I saw a PS3 kiosk today, with Motorstorm, and it wasn't working. I just assumed the unit was fucked and it was another sign that the PS3 is heading for a Dreamcast style flameout. (Only without the cool homebrew scene.)
You are aware that wrestling gets more than it's fair share of this crap too, right? I'm a fan (fuck off, before you even start) and just today there were two news stories about how wrestling is bad for kids etc...
I like my son watch it. I've told him from day one that if I EVER see him copy it, hear that he has copied it, he never gets to see it again. He knows it's all predetermined and choreographed and they're not trying to hurt each other.
That's why society amuses me. "Oh wrestling is fake" say the MMA fans. They'd rather see people really beaten around than head than faking it.
Oh fuck off and go back to masturbating over Ricky Gervais' humor.
This was fucking funny. Some little shit trying to score free Steam accounts got humbled. Good. I hope the guy who beat him at his own game buys lots of games on the little wankers account so Daddy's credit card gets massively billed. Suitable punishment for raising such an immoral piece of shit for a child.
That's kinda the point I was trying to make. And it came to mind because I was reading up on all the Doctor Who stuff last week (including the very website you linked.)
My point was (I think:)) that there WILL be prints in outside hands. As you say, if such things can be produced from 30+ year old TV shows that the BBC back then didn't give a shit about, then clearly, Star Wars could easily receive the same, or better treatmebt.
Or to put it into a much punchier single sentence: Lucas is a lying sack of shit.
So then, you go to order a pizza. Everyone ahead of you paying full price has received a marvelous pizza covered in all manner of exuisite toppings. You get there, eager for your pizza, hand over your money, and get handed plain cheese with no other toppings.
You didn't explicitly "ask" for all those toppings, but your expectation, as everyone else got them, was that you'd get them.
I don't think it's remotely unfair to EXPECT at the very least anamorphic presentation. Non-anamorphic DVD's of big movies went the way of the dinosaurs at LEAST four years ago. Cleaning it up? Well in fairness, if Lucas was looking to cut corners, he could have done a really shit job on that and used all manner of electronics that absolutely butcher the original. (We're working on the theory that Lucas isn't full of shit with regards to the negative etc...)
But non-anamorphic, when the FCC are forcing people to upgrade to HD, is fucking retarded. So it's understandable that folk would, in the very least, expect a release from a guy responsible for so many technological advances to at least appear to come from regular features on all big DVD's release in the last few years.
This is no better than ths shovelware merchants who churn out piss poor versions of "Night of the Living Dead".
Interesting point about intermissions. "Grand Prix" recently came out on DVD, has the "Prologue" sequence (Can't remember if that's the word or not), which is just a still shot from the movie with music. Then at the disk swap point, and where it was in the original movie, there's the "Intermission" sign and the accompanying music. The film appears on DVD EXACTLY like it did in theatres almost 40 years ago.
The several to do with Robert Harris do a pretty good job.
Who am I going to believe? An extremely well rspected movie buff who knows people in the industry, and someone who actually works in film restoration? Or some cock posting on Slashdot? Hmm... Decisions, decisions...
I love all this "you didn't ask for HD" nonsense... WTF are you? The Devil from Bedazzled? Explicitly having to say these things is ridiculous. While folk didn't say "HD" they also didn't say "From the easiest to find source".
I remember when the SE's were released in theatres, A&E did a special on Star Wars showing how "bad" the old print looked. (Really washed out, and an odd blue hue to everything).
If that was an accurate representation, then the original was pretty fucked, but they've managed to pull together movies in a lot worse state and give them an epic DVD release.
For those unaware, Robert Harrish is an EXTREMELY respected member of the home theatre community. This isn't just some hack with a blog. (Figured a bunch of lazy shites wouldn't read the wiki entry and then just dismiss the rest of what you said.)
He's not the only person to mention prints and interpositives. Lucas is obviously full of shit, but doesn't have the balls to even come up with a convincing excuse. Instead they make up this bogus story about it all being destroyed. (Yeah, just like all those Doctor Who's the BBC destroyed... Oh wait, 50 of them have been found since) when really, the truth is "You'll be getting this crap non-anamorphic transfer from laserdisc because I'm can't be bothered to do any better, and I know you'll suck it up like a vacuum and still give me your money."
Surely it's a given that when you say "WE WANT THE ORIGINALS ON DVD!" you mean you want what we EXPECT on DVD. Your comment about older movies is horseshit, because a movie like the 1933 release of "King Kong" got a stellar release. As did "Grand Prix" a month or two ago.
So your seeming justification for the original versions being shitty is rubbish, as any idiot knows that older movies that are actually popular get decent, cleaned up releases, unless the person responsible is a complete asshole. Hell, look at Jaws from Lucas' best bud. That came out again last year, from the same time period, and the DVD is awesome.
Obviously, though, Lucas doesn't give a shit. They took the laserdisc master and did a straight copy to DVD. (Well, you know what I mean.) Ain't It Cool covered this at the time it was learnt the transfers would be shit, and they listed all the reasons why Lucas was just being an arse about it when it would have been completely possible to give a release worthy of the films, rather than this 2 dollar dumpbin quality version.
Last Star Wars I bought was when they did the remastered VHS in the mid 90's. Was interested in picking up these new two diskers, but everywhere locally has them for $30 EACH! Fuck that for a game of imperial soldiers.
"Doesn't anyone that remotely cares already have the DVD?"
How in the sweet name of the messiah did that get modded that high?
Anyway, yeah, "clear those PVR's"... Why? Anyone who wants to see the show has. Some hardcore browncoats will sit down and watch, but most people won't bother.
What the fuck does GOD have to do with anything? You're saying that anyone who doesn't believe in God has no moral compass? It's completely possible to have morals and ethics and be agnostic or atheist.
As for your "pro-thief" comment, I won't even dignify that nonsense with a response. Surely you lot who bang about that have learned your lesson by now? (That lesson being how grossly flawed your thinking is.)
And to save waiting yet another bloody two minutes... Replying to a post below.
"Funny, I bought it, imaged it, and ran it from Alcohol 120% with nary a peep. Securom is nothing."
And I'm very happy for you. What's your point?
"And Ubisoft dumped Starforce."
Only because they were sued in California by a gamer who had large pockets and could afford to take legal action. If you bitched about Starforce on their message boards, you were invariably branded a pirate or a hacker. Or they'd delete your thread. In short, they fucked over their consumers until one stood up and said "No you fucking well don't"...
A leopard doesn't change it's spots. They're cunts, and they only dumped it to due to the fact that to not do so could hurt their bottom line.
No, it still had Starforce on it, and was definitely the release candidate. You can't actually strip out Starforce, only convince it that it's running a legit version. (That's why folk who crow about having a pirate version and not getting Starforce are full of shit.)
I can most assuredly state it was the full version. (I however bought the PS2 version... I like my computer working thanks...)
Anyway, to add a final line to the above, if a game is good, it'll sell. Protection is there just to protect shitty games.
The game companies can't have it both ways.
If you're that convinced copy protection works, then you obviously believe I can't copy the game... So why the fuck can't I return it to the store if it's a pile of shit?
If they KNOW it doesn't work, then why continue to include. As far as I'm concerned, if a game has copy protection on it, I should be able to return it to wherever I bought it if it doesn't work, sucks etc... But I can't, because I may have copied it...
Fuck the PC gaming industry. All the doomsayers who say it's dying... God knows it fucking deserves too for the way the majority of it treats all of us.
Reminds me of the dongle protection used in Robocop 3 on the Amiga. The head of the company proclaimed that the title would be impossible to pirate. (You can read all about it in an issue of the Amiga diskmag "Grapevine". Somewhere between issue 8 and 17. Sorry, can't be more accurate than that... I know I read it recently.)
The game called the dongle regularly. It wasn't a protection laid on top, it was woven into the game code. The head guy was saying how damn hard it'd be to crack, and while it may be cracked, it'd take months. You couldn't just remove the calls to the routine to bypass as it was all part of the game itself...
The game was cracked within days. Rather than strip out the checks, they managed to hack the routine it called so it basically said "The dongle isn't there, but don't worry, just keep running" and that was it... The game was cracked, and yet another failed protection bit the dust.
And yet the industry appears to have learned nothing. They always say about preventing "casual copying". Does anyone even do that anymore? With broadband and torrents etc... There's not even a need to copy an actual disk anymore. The copies flooding the net show protection does absolutely nothing to stem the flow of warez, so why in the hell do they still bother? I firmly believe that if a game is good, it'll sell. Protection or no protection.
No other industry gets away with selling broken products, so why the fuck should the software industry? Treat them like they treat us. We're all thieves in their eyes. If we weren't, shit like Starforce would never exist. Pirate away folks!
Copy protection is why I've largely stopped bothering with the PC gaming industry. Neverwinter Nights was the worst. There was a two month period where, thanks to Securom, I couldn't run the game. Then there's Warcraft 3. I had to use a no-cd crack as the protection wouldn't work on my drive... But there's a CRC check when you log on to Battle Net, which meant I could no longer play the game I paid for online. (Same with Nascar Racing 2003.)
Starforce was the straw that broke the camels back. I installed a demo, and Starforce was installed. (Before someone starts yelling "Idiot, why would it be on a demo?" as has happened before on here, they put it on the demo as well so crackers can't use the demo executable to help them figure out how to get around it.) What followed was 18 months of being unable to read CD's I burnt after that shit was installed on my system. (CD's that worked just fine in every other system.) I eventually found a fix (Use the Starforce removal tools then go into the device manager and choose UNINSTALL for all IDE drives on your system, then reboot).
I bought Galactic Civilizations purely because Stardock treat their customers decently, and not like thieves. I'm happy to support a developer who has a clue. As for companies like Ubisoft and Codemasters who, when people complain about Starforce, call them pirates and hackers... Fuck them. All companies that use damaging and invasive copy protection deserve to go bankrupt. All they need to do is fire up Emule or a Torrent site and find out just how great the protection they're choosing use is. (Toca Race Driver 3, which used Starforce, was cracked and on the net before it was even released.) They're screwing the genuine consumer and, in some cases, causing damage to these peoples systems.
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This is hilarious. I saw a PS3 kiosk today, with Motorstorm, and it wasn't working. I just assumed the unit was fucked and it was another sign that the PS3 is heading for a Dreamcast style flameout. (Only without the cool homebrew scene.)
Shrivel-cock may be the greatest word combine ever...
You are aware that wrestling gets more than it's fair share of this crap too, right? I'm a fan (fuck off, before you even start) and just today there were two news stories about how wrestling is bad for kids etc...
I like my son watch it. I've told him from day one that if I EVER see him copy it, hear that he has copied it, he never gets to see it again. He knows it's all predetermined and choreographed and they're not trying to hurt each other.
That's why society amuses me. "Oh wrestling is fake" say the MMA fans. They'd rather see people really beaten around than head than faking it.
That right there is what's wrong with society.
Oh fuck off and go back to masturbating over Ricky Gervais' humor.
This was fucking funny. Some little shit trying to score free Steam accounts got humbled. Good. I hope the guy who beat him at his own game buys lots of games on the little wankers account so Daddy's credit card gets massively billed. Suitable punishment for raising such an immoral piece of shit for a child.
That fucking rocks! Love it!
Howard the Duck had the lovely Leah Thompson in it... So no, he shouldn't have quit.
If we'd have been really lucky he'd have quit before Phantom Menace, sparing us from Jar Jar.
Still, Lucas won't be stinking up the big screen ever again. Excellent!
I estimated before clicking that it'd be 7 posts before someone made an ass joke.
I was off by six...
That's kinda the point I was trying to make. And it came to mind because I was reading up on all the Doctor Who stuff last week (including the very website you linked.)
My point was (I think:)) that there WILL be prints in outside hands. As you say, if such things can be produced from 30+ year old TV shows that the BBC back then didn't give a shit about, then clearly, Star Wars could easily receive the same, or better treatmebt.
Or to put it into a much punchier single sentence: Lucas is a lying sack of shit.
So then, you go to order a pizza. Everyone ahead of you paying full price has received a marvelous pizza covered in all manner of exuisite toppings. You get there, eager for your pizza, hand over your money, and get handed plain cheese with no other toppings.
You didn't explicitly "ask" for all those toppings, but your expectation, as everyone else got them, was that you'd get them.
I don't think it's remotely unfair to EXPECT at the very least anamorphic presentation. Non-anamorphic DVD's of big movies went the way of the dinosaurs at LEAST four years ago. Cleaning it up? Well in fairness, if Lucas was looking to cut corners, he could have done a really shit job on that and used all manner of electronics that absolutely butcher the original. (We're working on the theory that Lucas isn't full of shit with regards to the negative etc...)
But non-anamorphic, when the FCC are forcing people to upgrade to HD, is fucking retarded. So it's understandable that folk would, in the very least, expect a release from a guy responsible for so many technological advances to at least appear to come from regular features on all big DVD's release in the last few years.
This is no better than ths shovelware merchants who churn out piss poor versions of "Night of the Living Dead".
Interesting point about intermissions. "Grand Prix" recently came out on DVD, has the "Prologue" sequence (Can't remember if that's the word or not), which is just a still shot from the movie with music. Then at the disk swap point, and where it was in the original movie, there's the "Intermission" sign and the accompanying music. The film appears on DVD EXACTLY like it did in theatres almost 40 years ago.
Awesome!
The several to do with Robert Harris do a pretty good job.
Who am I going to believe? An extremely well rspected movie buff who knows people in the industry, and someone who actually works in film restoration? Or some cock posting on Slashdot? Hmm... Decisions, decisions...
I love all this "you didn't ask for HD" nonsense... WTF are you? The Devil from Bedazzled? Explicitly having to say these things is ridiculous. While folk didn't say "HD" they also didn't say "From the easiest to find source".
I remember when the SE's were released in theatres, A&E did a special on Star Wars showing how "bad" the old print looked. (Really washed out, and an odd blue hue to everything).
If that was an accurate representation, then the original was pretty fucked, but they've managed to pull together movies in a lot worse state and give them an epic DVD release.
In short, Lucas is a cock.
For those unaware, Robert Harrish is an EXTREMELY respected member of the home theatre community. This isn't just some hack with a blog. (Figured a bunch of lazy shites wouldn't read the wiki entry and then just dismiss the rest of what you said.)
He's not the only person to mention prints and interpositives. Lucas is obviously full of shit, but doesn't have the balls to even come up with a convincing excuse. Instead they make up this bogus story about it all being destroyed. (Yeah, just like all those Doctor Who's the BBC destroyed... Oh wait, 50 of them have been found since) when really, the truth is "You'll be getting this crap non-anamorphic transfer from laserdisc because I'm can't be bothered to do any better, and I know you'll suck it up like a vacuum and still give me your money."
Surely it's a given that when you say "WE WANT THE ORIGINALS ON DVD!" you mean you want what we EXPECT on DVD. Your comment about older movies is horseshit, because a movie like the 1933 release of "King Kong" got a stellar release. As did "Grand Prix" a month or two ago.
So your seeming justification for the original versions being shitty is rubbish, as any idiot knows that older movies that are actually popular get decent, cleaned up releases, unless the person responsible is a complete asshole. Hell, look at Jaws from Lucas' best bud. That came out again last year, from the same time period, and the DVD is awesome.
Obviously, though, Lucas doesn't give a shit. They took the laserdisc master and did a straight copy to DVD. (Well, you know what I mean.) Ain't It Cool covered this at the time it was learnt the transfers would be shit, and they listed all the reasons why Lucas was just being an arse about it when it would have been completely possible to give a release worthy of the films, rather than this 2 dollar dumpbin quality version.
HA! Nice:)
Last Star Wars I bought was when they did the remastered VHS in the mid 90's. Was interested in picking up these new two diskers, but everywhere locally has them for $30 EACH! Fuck that for a game of imperial soldiers.
"Doesn't anyone that remotely cares already have the DVD?"
How in the sweet name of the messiah did that get modded that high?
Anyway, yeah, "clear those PVR's"... Why? Anyone who wants to see the show has. Some hardcore browncoats will sit down and watch, but most people won't bother.
I'm all for conspiracy theories, but yeah, this one is retarded. The question to ask in any situation is "Who benefits most from this?"
If it's checking adult websites, how the hell is that related to "big media"?
Cretinous submitter...
What the fuck does GOD have to do with anything? You're saying that anyone who doesn't believe in God has no moral compass? It's completely possible to have morals and ethics and be agnostic or atheist.
As for your "pro-thief" comment, I won't even dignify that nonsense with a response. Surely you lot who bang about that have learned your lesson by now? (That lesson being how grossly flawed your thinking is.)
And to save waiting yet another bloody two minutes... Replying to a post below.
"Funny, I bought it, imaged it, and ran it from Alcohol 120% with nary a peep. Securom is nothing."
And I'm very happy for you. What's your point?
"And Ubisoft dumped Starforce."
Only because they were sued in California by a gamer who had large pockets and could afford to take legal action. If you bitched about Starforce on their message boards, you were invariably branded a pirate or a hacker. Or they'd delete your thread. In short, they fucked over their consumers until one stood up and said "No you fucking well don't"...
A leopard doesn't change it's spots. They're cunts, and they only dumped it to due to the fact that to not do so could hurt their bottom line.
No, it still had Starforce on it, and was definitely the release candidate. You can't actually strip out Starforce, only convince it that it's running a legit version. (That's why folk who crow about having a pirate version and not getting Starforce are full of shit.)
I can most assuredly state it was the full version. (I however bought the PS2 version... I like my computer working thanks...)
Surely tinkering with encrypted packets must violate the DMCA in some way. These fuckers live by the sword, they can die by the sword...
Slipped and posted before I was finished...
Anyway, to add a final line to the above, if a game is good, it'll sell. Protection is there just to protect shitty games.
The game companies can't have it both ways.
If you're that convinced copy protection works, then you obviously believe I can't copy the game... So why the fuck can't I return it to the store if it's a pile of shit?
If they KNOW it doesn't work, then why continue to include. As far as I'm concerned, if a game has copy protection on it, I should be able to return it to wherever I bought it if it doesn't work, sucks etc... But I can't, because I may have copied it...
Fuck the PC gaming industry. All the doomsayers who say it's dying... God knows it fucking deserves too for the way the majority of it treats all of us.
Reminds me of the dongle protection used in Robocop 3 on the Amiga. The head of the company proclaimed that the title would be impossible to pirate. (You can read all about it in an issue of the Amiga diskmag "Grapevine". Somewhere between issue 8 and 17. Sorry, can't be more accurate than that... I know I read it recently.)
The game called the dongle regularly. It wasn't a protection laid on top, it was woven into the game code. The head guy was saying how damn hard it'd be to crack, and while it may be cracked, it'd take months. You couldn't just remove the calls to the routine to bypass as it was all part of the game itself...
The game was cracked within days. Rather than strip out the checks, they managed to hack the routine it called so it basically said "The dongle isn't there, but don't worry, just keep running" and that was it... The game was cracked, and yet another failed protection bit the dust.
And yet the industry appears to have learned nothing. They always say about preventing "casual copying". Does anyone even do that anymore? With broadband and torrents etc... There's not even a need to copy an actual disk anymore. The copies flooding the net show protection does absolutely nothing to stem the flow of warez, so why in the hell do they still bother? I firmly believe that if a game is good, it'll sell. Protection or no protection.
No other industry gets away with selling broken products, so why the fuck should the software industry? Treat them like they treat us. We're all thieves in their eyes. If we weren't, shit like Starforce would never exist. Pirate away folks!
Copy protection is why I've largely stopped bothering with the PC gaming industry. Neverwinter Nights was the worst. There was a two month period where, thanks to Securom, I couldn't run the game. Then there's Warcraft 3. I had to use a no-cd crack as the protection wouldn't work on my drive... But there's a CRC check when you log on to Battle Net, which meant I could no longer play the game I paid for online. (Same with Nascar Racing 2003.)
Starforce was the straw that broke the camels back. I installed a demo, and Starforce was installed. (Before someone starts yelling "Idiot, why would it be on a demo?" as has happened before on here, they put it on the demo as well so crackers can't use the demo executable to help them figure out how to get around it.) What followed was 18 months of being unable to read CD's I burnt after that shit was installed on my system. (CD's that worked just fine in every other system.) I eventually found a fix (Use the Starforce removal tools then go into the device manager and choose UNINSTALL for all IDE drives on your system, then reboot).
I bought Galactic Civilizations purely because Stardock treat their customers decently, and not like thieves. I'm happy to support a developer who has a clue. As for companies like Ubisoft and Codemasters who, when people complain about Starforce, call them pirates and hackers... Fuck them. All companies that use damaging and invasive copy protection deserve to go bankrupt. All they need to do is fire up Emule or a Torrent site and find out just how great the protection they're choosing use is. (Toca Race Driver 3, which used Starforce, was cracked and on the net before it was even released.) They're screwing the genuine consumer and, in some cases, causing damage to these peoples systems.
They're just as immoral as the pirates.
F1 doesn't use ABS. It's banned.
Wow! One crash at Montreal is "all the time" is it?
Now if you'd said Montoya...