Well I'm not the Original Poster but I'd say using 3rd world labor for pennies on the hour to make clothes would be a good example of "ruining peoples lives". Many American and European corporations do just that.
I'd say strip mining for coal or logging without replacing trees is a good example of ruining the environment.
If you are looking for someone to define a line as to what is "too far" in either circumstance, you'll be disappointed to find that the world is not a black and white place and that each case must be looked at individually to find out.
Since when did the American Right Wing do anything to benefit humanity? Seems to me they are do busy lining their pocket and pursuing their own selfish goals.
Even when they do something that on its face looks like it might help some human beings (school vouchers for poor kids), its really just a front for thier real agenda (pushing their religion with government money).
Reporting back, in case anyone out there is reading.
FireFox.9 downloaded quickly, is small. I'm impressed there. It had a neat setup program that I dont remember from last time I tried which detected and imported a lot of IE settings. Neat! Then it crashed on a click of "finish" after a successful import.
No huge biggie, I use windows, I know about programs crashing.:-)
So I ran the CBS sportsline Scoreboard testing page, and it failed on both questions. This cut into my hope a bit but I tried the MLB Scoreboard nonetheless. Well.. I can say that it is ALMOST there. It is no longer refreshing the whole page every 15 seconds like say Yahoo scoreboards do nowadays. I ran it side by side with the MLB Scoreboard on IE. IE seems to update each time a pitch comes in, while FireFox would update in chunks, like it was checking the scores occasionally, but not continously.
Basically I would see each pitch individually on IE while on FireFox they game in pairs, though sometimes one at a time if the ballgame was going slowly enough.
This is pretty good, but its not quite there. Its not streaming play-by-play to me, its feeding it to me in discrete chunks of sometimes more than a play at a time.
I'll explain with another example from the NBA why Firefox is close but not quite sufficient. When displaying Basketball scoreboards, CBS reserves a space under the score for a current live play by play. For example it might show the following series of plays:
11:44 DET Rasheed Wallace made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Chauncey Billups 11:23 LAL Shaquille O'Neal made Slam Dunk 11:05 DET Richard Hamilton missed Jump Shot 10:58 DET Offensive Rebound by Ben Wallace 10:44 DET Ben Wallace missed Driving Layup
On IE, were I watching closely enough, I'd see each play discretely flash before my eyes under the score to that game.
On FireFox, since it seems to still be contacting the server only once and a while, I might see the same sequence of plays as:
11:44 DET Rasheed Wallace made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Chauncey Billups 11:05 DET Richard Hamilton missed Jump Shot 10:44 DET Ben Wallace missed Driving Layup
Notice how every other play is missing? Thats unacceptable to me. It might not always be like that, but when the action gets fast the plays go by quickly, and Mozilla doesn't seem to be contacting CBS fast enough to get each pitch (or play) at once, and thus displays them in chunks.
If anyone on the Mozilla team is reading, figure this one out, and you'll gain at least one user.
Maybe that is because cbs.sportsline.com puts out some incredibly non-standards compliant HTML? Why would you blame the browser when it it the site and the "programmer" wanna-bee's that cannot generate something as simple at HTML?
Please don't make this out like I'm trying to "blame" anybody. I'm sure the HTML at cbs sucks horribly, but fact is they have the only product on the market that does what I want, which is display near-live, online detailed sports scored without refreshing the damn page every 15 seconds. This is compelling enough for me that I will go with IE until others support it. I'm sure they suck at programming, but unfortunately I want it bad enough to swallow my inner HTML standards compliance-zealotry.
Oh, and by the way, I just tried cbs.sportsline.com and had _zero_ problems with firebird 0.9 under Linux and MS Windows.
I will download.9 and give it a shot, but I'm fully expecting the scoreboards will not function properly. If they do, then Kudos to the Mozilla team and I'll be switching for good. Seriously.
I like to support open source, but not at the expense of my computing satisfaction.
Now go back to your popups, spyware, adware and expliots in IE.
Is it a bitch that I have to deal with this? Sure. But since I am a competent administrator of my PC, I have none. I patched to SP2 Beta, and I'm really not all that afraid it will break anything.
Now off to go Download Firebird.9 and hope it runs the scoreboards properly. I'll report back.
That is their MLB scoreboard, and I've found it pretty much unmatched in terms of functionality, though I am open to suggestions, sports fans. Every time I've tried to run it on a Mozilla browser, it can no longer do the live scoring updates.
Mind you, CBS has handled it somewhat gracefully and detects this and reverts it to a more old fashioned "Auto-Refresh every 15-30-60 seconds" sort of thing. But that is offensive to the eyes when you are used to watching individual numbers flip and not the whole page refresh. It may be a minor nitpick, but I use their scoreboards for all the major sports.. have them open all year round, so it matters to me.
Try it.. i've yet to be able to get 2 "yes" responses on the "Live Scoring Tests" segment with anything other than IE. Its been a few months since I've tried it with Mozilla, but if it works now I'd gladly switch. Its literally the only site holding me back.
how is this flamebait? Every time I try and make the switch, I see that Mozilla can't handle cbs.sportsline.com's live scoreboards, and I have to switch right on back to IE.
Actually there is a ton of rap music where the music/beat is pretty damned good but the lyrics are disgusting. I still listen to it, it stands on its own.
Adobe Acrobat Reader does this and the goddamn process it keeps running in the background in the off chance I open a pdf file takes up like 28 MB of RAM. Its freaking unacceptable.
honest question, from a non-Unix user. How do you do that with no mouse? Are there keyboard shortcuts?
In windows I should Shift-Arrow to select text, then Crtl-XCV to cut copy paste it. Is there a Unix equivalent for those of us with 2 hands on the keyboard?
Nothing wrong with that, just please don't use what's left of your "normal" lifespan to engineer a political revolution against those of us who would enjoy sticking around for a thousand years, and would use technology to see to it that "the young" have plenty of resources.
Thats so short sighted...we'll go terraform a planet or something. There are tons of solutions.
Will there be drastic changes to society? Of course! Will you be able to retire and live on Social Security from ages 60 to 1000? Of course not! It just boggles my mind that people would literally actually DIE than live a world that is unlike that of their youth. And not only want to die but actually suggest that ones who don't want to die be "forced" to die. Why? To accomodate their egos, I suppose.
Repeat after me. Nature is a process, not an entity.
We can twist it to our needs, and be environmentally concious, both at the same time.
But good lord, I'm not so vain as to kill myself just because I grew up in a suburban house and there might have to be a skyscraper there in 250 years to support the population. Everybody's "grandchildren" who grow up in that skyscraper will not be that upset that they grew up that world.
It doesn't have silly rules or ads like the Yahoo/MSN clones, it has far less stupid kids because it requires a downloaded executable and some basic text commands, and its where all the pros play too, if you care to watch or play against scrabble pros.
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what happens if your program isn't part of the distribution? Will emerge still know where to update it?
I mean your argument is a little like me saying Windows Update updates all my Microsoft software in one place.
Well I'm not the Original Poster but I'd say using 3rd world labor for pennies on the hour to make clothes would be a good example of "ruining peoples lives". Many American and European corporations do just that.
I'd say strip mining for coal or logging without replacing trees is a good example of ruining the environment.
If you are looking for someone to define a line as to what is "too far" in either circumstance, you'll be disappointed to find that the world is not a black and white place and that each case must be looked at individually to find out.
Since when did the American Right Wing do anything to benefit humanity? Seems to me they are do busy lining their pocket and pursuing their own selfish goals.
Even when they do something that on its face looks like it might help some human beings (school vouchers for poor kids), its really just a front for thier real agenda (pushing their religion with government money).
I could be wrong, but can't they program the ATM to treat the account as "stolen" and just eat your ATM card?
Reporting back, in case anyone out there is reading.
.9 downloaded quickly, is small. I'm impressed there. It had a neat setup program that I dont remember from last time I tried which detected and imported a lot of IE settings. Neat! Then it crashed on a click of "finish" after a successful import.
:-)
FireFox
No huge biggie, I use windows, I know about programs crashing.
So I ran the CBS sportsline Scoreboard testing page, and it failed on both questions. This cut into my hope a bit but I tried the MLB Scoreboard nonetheless. Well.. I can say that it is ALMOST there. It is no longer refreshing the whole page every 15 seconds like say Yahoo scoreboards do nowadays. I ran it side by side with the MLB Scoreboard on IE. IE seems to update each time a pitch comes in, while FireFox would update in chunks, like it was checking the scores occasionally, but not continously.
Basically I would see each pitch individually on IE while on FireFox they game in pairs, though sometimes one at a time if the ballgame was going slowly enough.
This is pretty good, but its not quite there. Its not streaming play-by-play to me, its feeding it to me in discrete chunks of sometimes more than a play at a time.
I'll explain with another example from the NBA why Firefox is close but not quite sufficient.
When displaying Basketball scoreboards, CBS reserves a space under the score for a current live play by play. For example it might show the following series of plays:
11:44 DET Rasheed Wallace made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Chauncey Billups
11:23 LAL Shaquille O'Neal made Slam Dunk
11:05 DET Richard Hamilton missed Jump Shot
10:58 DET Offensive Rebound by Ben Wallace
10:44 DET Ben Wallace missed Driving Layup
On IE, were I watching closely enough, I'd see each play discretely flash before my eyes under the score to that game.
On FireFox, since it seems to still be contacting the server only once and a while, I might see the same sequence of plays as:
11:44 DET Rasheed Wallace made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Chauncey Billups
11:05 DET Richard Hamilton missed Jump Shot
10:44 DET Ben Wallace missed Driving Layup
Notice how every other play is missing? Thats unacceptable to me. It might not always be like that, but when the action gets fast the plays go by quickly, and Mozilla doesn't seem to be contacting CBS fast enough to get each pitch (or play) at once, and thus displays them in chunks.
If anyone on the Mozilla team is reading, figure this one out, and you'll gain at least one user.
Maybe that is because cbs.sportsline.com puts out some incredibly non-standards compliant HTML? Why would you blame the browser when it it the site and the "programmer" wanna-bee's that cannot generate something as simple at HTML?
.9 and give it a shot, but I'm fully expecting the scoreboards will not function properly. If they do, then Kudos to the Mozilla team and I'll be switching for good. Seriously.
.9 and hope it runs the scoreboards properly. I'll report back.
Please don't make this out like I'm trying to "blame" anybody. I'm sure the HTML at cbs sucks horribly, but fact is they have the only product on the market that does what I want, which is display near-live, online detailed sports scored without refreshing the damn page every 15 seconds. This is compelling enough for me that I will go with IE until others support it. I'm sure they suck at programming, but unfortunately I want it bad enough to swallow my inner HTML standards compliance-zealotry.
Oh, and by the way, I just tried cbs.sportsline.com and had _zero_ problems with firebird 0.9 under Linux and MS Windows.
I will download
I like to support open source, but not at the expense of my computing satisfaction.
Now go back to your popups, spyware, adware and expliots in IE.
Is it a bitch that I have to deal with this? Sure. But since I am a competent administrator of my PC, I have none. I patched to SP2 Beta, and I'm really not all that afraid it will break anything.
Now off to go Download Firebird
I may just do that, but for the meantime if you are curious, try out this (its more exciting while games are being played):
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/scoreboard
That is their MLB scoreboard, and I've found it pretty much unmatched in terms of functionality, though I am open to suggestions, sports fans. Every time I've tried to run it on a Mozilla browser, it can no longer do the live scoring updates.
Mind you, CBS has handled it somewhat gracefully and detects this and reverts it to a more old fashioned "Auto-Refresh every 15-30-60 seconds" sort of thing. But that is offensive to the eyes when you are used to watching individual numbers flip and not the whole page refresh. It may be a minor nitpick, but I use their scoreboards for all the major sports.. have them open all year round, so it matters to me.
They even have a test page to test for browser functionality
Try it.. i've yet to be able to get 2 "yes" responses on the "Live Scoring Tests" segment with anything other than IE. Its been a few months since I've tried it with Mozilla, but if it works now I'd gladly switch. Its literally the only site holding me back.
Thanks,
-FSB
how is this flamebait? Every time I try and make the switch, I see that Mozilla can't handle cbs.sportsline.com's live scoreboards, and I have to switch right on back to IE.
How is Car Racing a sport which requires great physical shape while baseball is not?
spoken like a man who has never driven through Wyoming.
Where not Ashame to Be Canadian and Americans , but then again where not Etats-Unians. Whe have no reason to HIDE where in America where from.
that made aboslutely no sense. Can anyone decipher that?
People from the Central African Republic call themselves Central Africans, despite the fact that there are many countries in Central Africa.
Why don't people ever bitch about that?
Actually there is a ton of rap music where the music/beat is pretty damned good but the lyrics are disgusting. I still listen to it, it stands on its own.
Adobe Acrobat Reader does this and the goddamn process it keeps running in the background in the off chance I open a pdf file takes up like 28 MB of RAM. Its freaking unacceptable.
honest question, from a non-Unix user. How do you do that with no mouse? Are there keyboard shortcuts?
In windows I should Shift-Arrow to select text, then Crtl-XCV to cut copy paste it. Is there a Unix equivalent for those of us with 2 hands on the keyboard?
Nothing wrong with that, just please don't use what's left of your "normal" lifespan to engineer a political revolution against those of us who would enjoy sticking around for a thousand years, and would use technology to see to it that "the young" have plenty of resources.
Yes. Lets. Its better than making some excuse like "Nature doesn't intend for us to live 500 years" like I see in half the posts here.
You'd think the Slashdot community would have more faith in technology as a solution to the worlds problems, even those presented by more technology.
Thats so short sighted...we'll go terraform a planet or something. There are tons of solutions.
Will there be drastic changes to society? Of course! Will you be able to retire and live on Social Security from ages 60 to 1000? Of course not! It just boggles my mind that people would literally actually DIE than live a world that is unlike that of their youth. And not only want to die but actually suggest that ones who don't want to die be "forced" to die. Why? To accomodate their egos, I suppose.
Repeat after me. Nature is a process, not an entity.
We can twist it to our needs, and be environmentally concious, both at the same time.
But good lord, I'm not so vain as to kill myself just because I grew up in a suburban house and there might have to be a skyscraper there in 250 years to support the population. Everybody's "grandchildren" who grow up in that skyscraper will not be that upset that they grew up that world.
Try the Internet Scrabble Club, its by far the best place to play Scrabble online.
It doesn't have silly rules or ads like the Yahoo/MSN clones, it has far less stupid kids because it requires a downloaded executable and some basic text commands, and its where all the pros play too, if you care to watch or play against scrabble pros.
hey, if you play Axis $ Allies, Brazil is American Territory. That's good enough for me :-)
actually I have a far eastern laptop whose speakers produce a very tinny sound.
Like a worker at the Gay Steel Mill!
wouldn't the entire attack be coming from the same (few) places though? Couldn't you just drop packets from specified IP ranges?
Well perhaps there is a lot of truth to this joke.
What a defeatist outlook on things. "Pure" is an entirely human concept anyways, I dont think the microbes will give a damn.