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A How-Not-To Guide to Cyber-Extortion

TexasDex writes "The Register reports: Myron Tereshchuk, 42, of Maryland, pleaded guilty to "attempted extortion affecting commerce" for sending threatening messages to a competing patent firm, including a demand for $17 million in exchange for not revealing sensitive information. He was clever in hiding his tracks, the messages came from two different homes and a dentist's office, all of which turned out to be running unsecured WAPs. He also avoided a web bug sent by the firm, and managed to penetrate the company's computer system. But he made a few mistakes. First of all he was already a prime suspect due to "past altercations between Tereshchuk and the company". But "the clearest sign came when he issued the $17m extortion demand, and instructed the company to 'make the check payable to Myron Tereshchuk.'""

311 comments

  1. Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Funny


    There's a TV show broadcast over here in the UK (on some of the cable channels) "America's Dumbest Criminals" - guess this guy'll be on soon enough. I have to admit I thought a lot of the stories were made up, but if people are going to sign their REAL NAME to an extortion demand, sheesh, perhaps people *can* be that stupid.

    Well, on the up-side, it at least frees the cops' time up so they can catch criminals with at least 1 brain cell. Let's hope the feedback loop stays negative...

    Simon.

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    1. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This reminds me of two other cases:

      The guy who robs the bank but drops his wallet (with ID inside)

      The guy who writes a bank robbery note on the back of his own checking account deposit slip.

      And yes, both are true stories. Its probably a Good Thing(tm) that most criminals are incredibly stupid.

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    2. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's always the guy who robbed a Post Office wearing a motorbike helmet with a black visor. Unfortunately for him it failed to hide his identity because his name was written across the forehead.

    3. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by ornil · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, there's a pretty extensive web column with a few new cases each week, called Dumb Crooks. Those cases you mention are there, plus hundreds of others. Pretty amusing read.

    4. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Zorilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      What about the guy who robbed the convenience store and the clerk lady says, "I don't think you look old enough to be robbing a store, young man. I need to see some identification."

      So the guy pulls out his driver's license and shows it to her. Haha.

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    5. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      and the guy who rubbed fresh lemons on his face before robbing a bank because someone told him that if you did that, the cameras could not pick up your image. True story according to "news of the weird", a syndicated feature found in many independent newspapers here in the US. They have stories like this all the time.

      News of the Weird can be found here. Its a very good weekly read that has tons of these exact type of stories.

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    6. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by TheLink · · Score: 4, Funny

      Try this Darwin Award nominee.

      Wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything...

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    7. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by k4rm4_p0l7c3 · · Score: 1

      I've seen a FEW clips of criminals trying to yank portable ATMs out of convenience stores w/their trucks only to leave the scene emptyhanded, minus a bumper and a license plate

      d'oh!

    8. Re: Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've redundant. You've just reposted a post from 4:23pm.

    9. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The guy who writes a bank robbery note on the back of his own checking account deposit slip.

      My favorite "dumb bank robber" story is the one who turns around and asks the teller to deposit his just-received cash.

      No word on whether this one had his own deposit slip prepared ahead of time...

    10. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by mrmike37 · · Score: 2

      Actually, IIRC, the clerk asked for the id when the robber asked for beer in addition to money.

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    11. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by mikael · · Score: 1

      And there was a guy who carefully cased a bank, so he knew where all the security cameras were, when the bank staff left, and when the sliding doors automatically locked and unlocked. When the big day came, the prospective robber waited for the bank manager to leave. He then cut all the cables leading to the internal video cameras and proceeded to raid the bank. Then he tried to leave the same way he came in. Except there was a slight problem; when he cut the cables to the video cameras, he had also cut the power to the sliding doors, which automatically locked when there was a power failure. He was trapped in the bank until the next day, when the bank manager was the first person to arrive.

      Not forgetting the bank robber who dressed up as a woman to disguise himself, only to leave a lip-print on the bank door.

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    12. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by mi · · Score: 1
      can catch criminals with at least 1 brain cell

      Aren't you being a bit too harsh on the guy? Even if you did not read the article, the SlashDot write-up describes him as pretty smart technology-wise...

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    13. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Except there was a slight problem; when he cut the cables to the video cameras, he had also cut
      > the power to the sliding doors, which automatically locked when there was a power failure.

      Sounds like an urban legend to me. Such doors *unlock* when power is removed, because fire codes require it.

      Chris Mattern

    14. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by chiph · · Score: 2, Informative

      A few years ago I heard about a guy who robbed a bank in Florida. He forgot to bring a backpack or anything, so to avoid suspicion he put the sack with the money in it down the front of his pants. (Did you recently rob a bank, or are you just happy to see me?).

      He got about 2 blocks before the dyepack exploded, covering his ummm naughty bits with stinging purple ink (they put an irritant in it). When the police heard the report of a man standing in a public fountain washing his blue balls they knew they had their man.

      Chip H.

    15. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by chiph · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One more...

      I was doing some contract work for First Tennessee a few years ago when someone robbed one of their rural branches. Redneck thief walks in, announces he has a bomb, demands money. They give him money, he lights the fuse on the bomb and tosses it over the counter. Luckily, all it did was burn a hole in the carpet, but the tellers were pretty shook up.

      When the crook gets back to his house (probably a trailer, never heard one way or the other), the sheriff's department is already there and waiting for him. It seems he had been growing marijuana in the back yard, and they were there to burn his pot patch and arrest him on dope charges. The bank robbery was just a nice bonus for them.

      Chip H.

    16. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by core+plexus · · Score: 1
      Here's a story about a guy that was breaking into cabins in Alaska, and left his wallet with ID behind.

      -cp-

      600 workers needed immediately for salmon processing jobs

    17. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also the one where the guy used a fake id/check to buy a ton on stereo equipment, the store required him to show id, wich he had one fake, and to write his home phone number on the check. He gave them his real phone number... when called, he said he'd return the stuff as long as no cops where around...

    18. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by paulm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not just a good thing, its the only way.

      Society strives to create an environment whereby you will be better off by putting energies into playing the game and getting ahead.

      As the process continues, those who are doing well
      will make laws to allow them to continue to do well, thus further fostering the environment.

      People too far below the average intelligence can't make it far enough down the path set before them, and so turn to crime, and are caught.

      This works fine until those at the top start to use infuence to prevent their competitors, and hence those behind them from getting ahead. This turns into a class system and accelerates until revolution and then socialism.

      This in turn leads to loss of competition, and then a continued slowing of progress. Smaller factions break off and start to create their own internal competition, and more capitalist leanings , and then the whole process starts over again.

      wait, what was I talking about?

    19. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by MattyCobb · · Score: 1

      I remember reading once in Road and Track about a guy who robbed an exotic car dealership. He wedged a bit of paper in the lock earlier in the day so he could walk right in the door after they were closed. Unfortunatly he left the peice of paper... which was a parking ticket with his name and addy ;)

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    20. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered if you guys over there get the same kinds of 'real life crime' shows we get over here (many from the Fox network). Do you have shows like Cops (video documentaries of ride-alongs as cops go on regular calls and patrols), World's Scariest Police Chases(police camera footage of high-speed chases), or America's Most Wanted(A call-in show to publicize criminals that are wanted)? Cops in particular is pretty cool.

      It wouldn't suprise me if America is just a better source for these things because we have more crime over here :P

    21. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by jxs2151 · · Score: 1
      "This turns into a class system and accelerates until revolution and then socialism."

      This sounds interesting. Do you have any examples that I could perhaps study? Particularly ones that end up in socialism.

    22. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by mister_tim · · Score: 1

      I used to work in a call centre and heard the story that someone had called in a bomb threat. The operator in the call centre tried to sound the guy out, then said, "I'm sorry - the line is breaking up. Can I get your phone number and I'll call you back" and the guy gave it to her.

    23. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by missing000 · · Score: 1
    24. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      It's actually good they caught him. In the article it says:

      The Bureau got a search warrant for Tereshchuk's home, where they found evidence of his campaign against MicroPatent, as well as the components for hand grenades and the formula and ingredients necessary for making Ricin, according to prosecutors, who say the FBI is still investigating some aspects of the case.


      Looks like the was getting ready to carry through on his extortion threats. He should have been looking out for the cops as he should figure that they are ALWAYS on to you, especially when the scam has been going on awhile like that.

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    25. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      Quote: People too far below the average intelligence can't make it far enough down the path set before them, and so turn to crime, and are caught.
      This is unfortunately too true :(

      This works fine until those at the top start to use infuence to prevent their competitors, and hence those behind them from getting ahead. This turns into a class system and accelerates until revolution and then socialism.
      This sounds like a certain software company that appears on /. alot.

      This in turn leads to loss of competition, and then a continued slowing of progress. Smaller factions break off and start to create their own internal competition, and more capitalist leanings , and then the whole process starts over again.
      Seems to be the bigger ones buy all the smaller ones, but then employees break off and work on other projects (which later get bought by the bigger company again)

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    26. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by prestonmarkstone · · Score: 1

      People too far below the average intelligence can't make it far enough down the path set before them, and so turn to crime, and are caught.

      Perhaps. Or it could be that a few people have better resources than most others and exploit those resources to prevent other less fortunate people from getting ahead. It could be that people in power - regardless of intelligence - amass wealth at the expense of the poor. It could have a lot more to do with money, education, access to medicine and the powers of legislation, and the dynamics of race than with intelligence.

      I, for one, have a hard time believing that criminals and the impoverished - most of whom are minorities - are simply stupider than everyone else. I have an easy time, however, objecting the implicit racism of your statement.

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    27. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by pdx_joe · · Score: 1

      Just call me H. Simpson, no wait that is too obvious. Make the Homer S. Doh!

    28. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Alexis+de+Torquemada · · Score: 1

      It's not just a good thing, its the only way.

      Nice simplistic defense of Social Darwinism.

      Society strives to create an environment whereby you will be better off by putting energies into playing the game and getting ahead.

      But when did this ever work satisfyingly? How much can a society do when the ruling caste has the power to shape the laws almost arbitrarily to their favor?

      As the process continues, those who are doing well will make laws to allow them to continue to do well, thus further fostering the environment.

      No, thus further fostering themselves. These laws, created by special interest groups, tend to benefit those who want to take the corruption game further. This does not necessarily mean that their average reproductive success would be enhanced because people are by no means (in the Darwinian sense) perfectly adapted to modern living conditions. We're still somewhat optimized for stone age societies, though with a completely different set of memes. How many politicians or CEOs do you know that do not have a single child? How many store clerks that have 3 or more? In evolutionary terms (wrt to maximizing your reproductive success), it's rather pointless to take baths in champagne or, as a woman, to have your breasts filled with a sticky substance that may seriously get in the way of your job of breast-feeding your offspring (in case you have any). There's no equivalent to mother's milk in terms of survival chances and developmental benefits.

      There simply is no evidence that social success and reproductive success are closely related, nor is it obvious that they should in today's class societies. The theory of evolution describes an undirected, thoughtless, myopic and chaotic natural process that causes lifeforms - in the long term - to adapt to their environment. In no way is this a "good thing", since ethics are based on the subjective judgement of men. Nature isn't good or bad, it just is. What you describe isn't any more good or bad than the fact that rain falls downwards or that the Earth revolves around the sun.

      Btw, social status, professional success and even high intelligence in your usual job by no means guarantee that you will not star the Darwin Awards. I know of another rather (in-)famous German lawyer who's barely able to get the grammar right when writing a moderately long sentence, and certainly not without making at least two severe spelling mistakes. It's no problem for him though because most certainly his secretary does all the paperwork, and he's definitely earning a lot of money. There's nothing inherently good about that. He knows how to play the game, and he does, but there's no evidence that this helps society, even though the laws usually are meant to help society (there's no indication that most of them regularily do, and all have exceptions).

      This turns into a class system and accelerates until revolution and then socialism.

      First, every society has different classes. Even men and women are two seperate classes in most societies, in one way or the other. Classes are not necessarily strictly separated. Second, "prevent their competitors"... competitors in which respect? If I skew the competition for social status in my favor, I have to fear less and less competition. But does this prevent my competitors, or just change the kind of competition? You don't tell. What should people compete for, anyway? What kind of competition helps society, what kind of competition hurts it? And as for point three, I mostly agree. I would say revolution is the outcome of skewing competition in a way that grossly defrauds the masses. This process starts from day one when you give the ruling caste(s) too much power in setting national policies, and it gets worse over time, until eventually it may be so obvious a

    29. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by eam · · Score: 1

      You won't read about this one. I was talking to a local cop a few days after a nearby bank robbery. He told me that the FBI agent who came to investigate was curious about a bundle of cash that the robbers left behind. As he was examining it, the dye pack inside it exploded. I guess he figured out why they left it behind.

    30. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by frostfreek · · Score: 1

      How about,
      the guy who was told, while robbing the bank, than "you need an account in order to rob this bank", so he filled out an application.

      Now, there's a great bank policy!

    31. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by cbeaudry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fire codes are different for each City/County.
      And sometimes drasticaly different.

      For highly secure areas like banks, or research companies, some areas are allowed to be fail secure or fail safe.

      The first meaning, power is needed to UNLOCK the door, and the second power is needed to LOCK the door.

      Naturaly when power goes out, the opposite happens. Most times this is because of Maglocks and Door strikes.

      It is very possible that this dumbass locked himself in. But even more possible that there is an override latch of some sort, and he was just too dumb to find it !!

    32. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>wait, what was I talking about?

      I don't know I lost track when the horses were talking to each other.........

      I guess you and I smoke the same dope.

    33. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      No matter what the facility is, there must be a way to escape in event of fire. When there is a fire you can assume that the power can go out at any time. If there were 100 people in the bank and some dumbass plugged one to many things into a power strip and started an electrical fire then it is unacceptable to have the only escape route automatically lock. This part of the fire code does not change.

      The vault might be a different matter, but if that is the case then the fire codes will most definatly require that no person be inside the vault when it is closed for any reason.

      There is an outside chance that the criminal was too dumb to realize that you can push sliding doors open by hand if the power goes out, but putting that much thought into everything else seems to discount this possibility.

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    34. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      As opposed to your explicit racism.

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    35. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by jxs2151 · · Score: 1

      Thanks

    36. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1

      Also: Karen Lee Joachimmi, 20 who was arrested after robbing a Howard Johnson hotel. Her arrest was not difficult, as her weapon of choice, an electric chainsaw, was not plugged in.

    37. Re:Darwinian criminal behaviour ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, both are true stories. Its probably a Good Thing(tm) that most criminals are incredibly stupid.

      You're missing an important point, though. Criminals are incredibly stupid, in general, mostly because only the stupid criminals get caught. The smart ones are more evasive, and as long as they're not caught, they won't show up in statistics. However, I do think in general smart people have more at stake than stupid people (or at least take a bit more time to consider what's at stake) and thus are less likely to commit the crime. The actual THOUGHT of comitting the crime is probably equally distributed among the low and high-ends of the IQ spectrum.

  2. sounds similar by L.+VeGas · · Score: 0, Redundant

    This reminds me of the classic story (urban legend?) of the bank robber that wrote a robbery note on one of his deposit slips.

    1. Re:sounds similar by Caradoc · · Score: 1

      That one was reported by Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird, and he's generally pretty good about checking his sources.

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    2. Re:sounds similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      he's generally pretty good about checking his sources.

      He hardly does any checking.

      Is everything in News of the Weird true?
      The truth is, I don't know. I don't report stories, myself; everything comes from a professional reporter, presumably with a professional editor, at a legitimate news organization, and I verify that the story was in fact published there on a certain date.

    3. Re:sounds similar by ashlux · · Score: 1

      It recently happened in Tulsa, OK (with a withdrawl slip rather than deposit). See the Google cache.

    4. Re:sounds similar by Caradoc · · Score: 1

      "...verify that the story was in fact published there on a certain date" must have been the part I was thinking of, as I very definitely remember reading something in News of the Weird and thinking, "there's no way someone was that stupid," then checking the listed newspaper reference for the story.

      Yep. He *was* that stupid.

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  3. I request all my extortion checks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...be made out to Amanda Huginkiss.

    1. Re:I request all my extortion checks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be confused with Homer Sexual...

    2. Re:I request all my extortion checks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Hugh Jass.

  4. Almost as smart... by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

    the clearest sign came when he issued the $17m extortion demand, and instructed the company to 'make the check payable to Myron Tereshchuk.

    Almost as smart as this guy - "A man who walked into a Wal-Mart covered in blood and bought garbage bags Friday was charged with murder after authorities found a stabbed body in a trash bin."

    Planning people, planning!

    1. Re:Almost as smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A man who walked into a Wal-Mart covered in blood and bought garbage bags Friday was charged with murder after authorities found a stabbed body in a trash bin."


      Nice try but that's a well known urban legend. It's been debunked on snopes or urbanlegends.com

    2. Re:Almost as smart... by jyoull · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it's been debunked, that was a mighty fast debunking as the linked story's dated today, only about 2 hours ago, "9:57 am EDT June 27, 2004" .. this one appears to be real, not an urban legend... it names names, lists charges, reports a fight and a knife, bloody sneakers, has a location...

    3. Re:Almost as smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing mentioned on Snopes that I can find.

    4. Re:Almost as smart... by TotallyUseless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here is a link to the CNN story on this from yesterday.

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    5. Re:Almost as smart... by man_ls · · Score: 1

      It's on the front page of cnn.com today. That makes it a bit more credible.

      http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/06/26/bloody.su sp ect.ap/index.html

      (slashcode will probably put a space in there somewhere.)

  5. I will crapflood slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    with various posts about CowboyNeal unless /. writes a check, payable to Rob Malda, for $1 million.
    Beware!

  6. Rookie mistake by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    To eliminate himself from suspicion, he should have told them to make the check out to "anybody but Myron Tereshchuk". They would then have everyone in the world BUT him as potential suspects! Brilliant!

    1. Re:Rookie mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having the check made out to yourself... ? Brilliant !!!

  7. He should have.. by tmk · · Score: 0

    demanded to be paid in verified AOL email adresses. This currency is rock stable.

  8. You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by AltGrendel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They never get caught.

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    1. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Is there some statistic on how many crimes remain unsolved? Is it hard to commit a crime and not get caught? I wonder if only those who commit rash hasty crimes get caught... What I'm saying is that if you plan ahead and actually think, use your head, how hard can it actually be?

      This is all purely hypothetically speaking.

      Ofcourse.

    2. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really? Is there some statistic on how many crimes remain unsolved?

      The vast majority of non-cyber crimes are solved. This is due in part to many crimes being "crimes of opportunity" (no planning) and the fact that most really smart people can get good jobs and understand that most crimes are solved. Also, most crimes that go to court result in conviction (well over 90%).

      I worked in the criminal defense field for a while, and from first hand experience, I can tell you that most criminals are not only very stupid, but they seem to think that everyone else is stupid, too. Incompetent people don't realize they are incompetent. There was a British study that demonstrated this a year or two ago.

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    3. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Michael_Burton · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought the smart criminals became successful politicians. They may not get caught, but unfortunately I hear about 'em all the time.

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    4. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      Also, most crimes that go to court result in conviction (well over 90%).

      I would like to tell you about a criminal who wasted a week of my life :)

      I got called in for jury duty, and was assigned to a case of a fellow who sent his g/f into a burkes outlet store to steal clothes for him, and then when she was caught, punched out the security guard. There was videotape of the g/f, but none of the punching. To make things worse the guy confessed to the whole thing.

      We weren't allowed to know this, but it was pretty obvious this was a 3rd strike case (mandatory life sentence). His defense was, he doesn't understand english, didn't confess (the lawyer claimed the police were lying), and he just saw a guy trying to harass his g/f and tried to help her.

      That may or may not have been a good defense, however ... At one point during the trial while he was testifying, the lady who was translating for him got a bit tongue tied, and was behind in the translation. He jumped the gun, and he answered a question *before* the translation arrived -- In perfect english.

      The real crime is the defense lawyer wasn't disbarred for suborning perjury.

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    5. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by iamacat · · Score: 1

      I hope the jury showed some humanity, realized that he should get a serious punishment but not a life sentence, and handed it an annulment. By the way, being able to answer one question that was translated for you doesn't mean you know the language and understand what is said in a high-stress situation. Of course his story is unlikely, but how do you know he sent his girlfriend to steal cloth rather than she just decided to do it?

    6. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Everleet · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Also, most crimes that go to court result in conviction (well over 90%).

      Of course. Bringing the innocent to trial would be unfair.
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    7. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      The importance of him claiming he only spoke spanish was that he confessed to the police, in english, and claimed HE ONLY SPOKE SPANISH, so he coudln't have confessed.

      Not only did his slip up demonstrate he *understood* english, he spoke in perfect english on the stand.

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    8. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      I hope the jury showed some humanity, realized that he should get a serious punishment but not a life sentence, and handed it an annulment.

      Then what exactly *IS* the purpose of the law if you think everyone on a jury should bypass it? I don't share your opinion on this matter.

      The purpose of putting someone in jail is NOT to rehabilitate them, its to remove them from the rest of us who do not go around committing crimes, in the hopes that they will not want to do that again. If they keep doing it again and again, then permanant removal *IS* the answer.

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    9. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Petty crime, like B&E, vandalism, and so on comprise the bulk of crimes people experience. Most of the time their unsolved. Any thing more severe then it gets more attention and ussually gets solved.

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    10. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, this may be more philosophy than Slashdot usually prefers, but you're being a bit too glib here.

      Punishment (including jail) can serve any combination of the following: to rehabilitate, to exact vengeance, and to isolate [i.e. to protect either the perpetrator or the innocent]. These are typically if not entirely not mutually exclusive, so it isn't unreasonable for a judicial system to adopt more than one.

      The problem however, is that the American judicial system (or perhaps more clearly, the American criminal system) does not have a single perspective on the goal of the system [and in all fairness, no other nation in the world has a single perspective either]. Historically, legal Opinions laid down by Judges (these are the explanations written by judges in various cases, and are only presented when desired by the judge) have advocated various combinations of the three possible goals, and so it becomes impossible to determine which is 'right'. As if to make the problem worse, our founding fathers were clearly in dispute about the goals of their criminal system both as implied by their lack of its discussion in the constitution (there are no claims to the purpose of the criminal system in that hallowed document), and in their explicitly written debates about the issue over their lifetimes.

      The only consensus is that the Jury is never supposed to attempt to subvert the law to their own opinions. The entire purpose of a jury is to determine the guilt [or lack thereof] of a defendent, and then in certain cases to determine the specific punishment from a list of possibilities.

      So, to summarize, I agree that the jury should have given the subject lifetime in jail (if it was his 3rd offense in a 3-strike state), but I disagree with your statement of hte purpose of jailtime.

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    11. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by jfern · · Score: 1

      These 3 strikes laws are retarded. Someone got 25 years for stealing a pizza.

    12. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far more crimes go unsolved. You have a far greater incidence of people just not reporting crimes, misreporting crimes, crimes where no one ever found out a crime was committed, and crimes that were known about but were accompanied with extortion or bribery.

    13. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by nosfucious · · Score: 1

      Well, I agree with you, 25 for a simple crime like that is stupid. Laws that impose unduly harsh penalties are never thought about in the opportunity type crimes.

      However, they're the rules of society. No one is focing you to live in that type of society.

      Unfortunetly, people with grey hair are scared of criminals. People with grey hair have lots of time on thier hands. They vote. Politicians will listen to voters. Not citizens, voters.

      In summary, if you don't like the laws: 2 options. Have the law changed OR move to a different society.

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    14. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by matthewr84 · · Score: 1

      Someone stealing a pizza when it would be their third offense is more retarded.

    15. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by onallama · · Score: 1

      No, it's the person who commits a crime knowing he already has two strikes against him that's retarded.

    16. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Do you think people like him are more likely to a) move to a different society or b) decide that society is their enemy, take their protection/subsistence in their own hands at the expense of every one else and vent their anger in violent ways? People with grey hair better wake up and start caring about all the citizens, because it has been a long while since they practiced street fighting.

    17. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for the greyhairs I know, it hasn't been very long.

    18. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1


      Then what exactly *IS* the purpose of the law if you think everyone on a jury should bypass it? I don't share your opinion on this matter.

      to keep people from copying MP3s, of course.

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    19. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      > I hope the jury showed some humanity, realized that he should get a serious punishment but not
      > a life sentence, and handed it an annulment

      Why? The guy was guilty as sin, and tried to perjure his way out of it. Throw the book at him. I agree with the guy who wonders why they didn't get his lawyer too.

      > By the way, being able to answer one question that was translated for you doesn't mean you
      > know the language and understand what is said in a high-stress situation.

      Reread the article, numbnuts. He answered *before* the translator translated it! And if being grilled on the witness stand isn't high-stress, what is? Apparently, it didn't cause him to forget his English, it just caused him to forget that he didn't know it.

      Chris Mattern

    20. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Not only did his slip up demonstrate he *understood* english, he spoke in perfect english on the stand.

      I'm curious what the question was - even the most uneducated Mexican, living in the US, is going to be able to understand a few basic English statements and questions ("What is your name?"), but not nearly enough English to confess to a crime.

    21. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      I'll say. I've had several friends who were raped when they were young (15 for one... younger for another.) They told people but the folks were family members and the crime was never prosecuted. *shakes head*

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    22. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately I can't believe the vast majority of non-cyber crimes are solved.
      The police are just as stupid as the criminals and most of the time don't actually care anyway.
      My dads garage was robbed a few years back, when we went in the office window was smashed, there was an address book on the floor, careful not to get prints on it we had a look inside and deduced who the culprits were. When the police (eventually) turned up they took the book, had a look round, said "sorry it's not likely we'll be able to catch them" even though moments beforehand we'd told them it was the scumbags a few doors down from the garage. They didn't even go and have a look.
      Bunch of morons. The only crimes they seem to be able to solve are ones that involve people having their pictures taken whilst driving too fast.

    23. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by m1kesm1th · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually its been a while since I read any American Case law, but I am aware of there being a particular reference to when the jury disagree with the law where they find the defendent not guilty. This is called Jury Nullification.

      It is very easy to get dismissed by a judge from a jury, if you state that you believe in Jury Nullification.

      It is common today for judges to tell prospective jurors that they must apply the law as he gives it to them and that their business is simply to determine whether the defendant has broken the law or not. But that is not what was intended by the right to trial by jury in the Bill or Rights. Thomas Jefferson said;

      "...it is usual for the jurors to decide the fact, and to refer the law arising on it to the decision of the judges. But this division of the subject lies with their discretion only. And if the question relate to any point of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the judges may be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law and fact."

      In respect that removing people from society will halt them from perpetuating crimes, there are no clear answers. Some people benefit far better from rehabilitive methods, their chance at a new life if you will, other are probably better off incarcerated. It is becoming clearer it is impossible to just lock people up indefinitely, yet the only other method, would be to kill the individuals concerned. Yet many innocent people are incarcerated each yeah, it is as likely people would be killed, but I digress. If a jury has a reason to bypass the law (or through necessity) it can be done. However this normally occurs in extenuating circumstances. For example the ignoring fugitive slave laws.. etc etc

    24. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Zone-MR · · Score: 1

      The only crimes they seem to be able to solve are ones that involve people having their pictures taken whilst driving too fast.

      I couldn't agree more. I take it you are from the UK too? Or is the situation more widespread... ?

    25. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      I don't recall the quetsion

      Keeping in mind this was almost a year ago, here's the best of my recollection:

      Here's the situation: The defendant is on the witness stand and his translator is sitting next to him. It was a very small court room, and he was sitting not more then 2 meters from the jury box. They were questioning him about something, each time he would wait for the translator to speak then give the answer to her in spanish, and she would say it in english.

      I'm sorry I don't remember the contents of the conversation, but I do remember roughly what happened. On cross, the prosecution asked a question and then misunderstood (either on purpose or by accident) the translated answer. Prosecution repeated the question, and once again misunderstood the translation, so the defendant addressed the prosecution directly (instead of his translator), and in *perfect* English, with *no* accent whatsoever and explained what he had meant.

      He clearly spoke english as well as any of us did. From that point, logically if he was lying about not speaking english, it was almost ceartin he was lying about the confessing, and the police officers who had testified that he spoke perfect english while he gave his confession were not.

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    26. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem however, is that the American judicial system (or perhaps more clearly, the American criminal system) does not have a single perspective on the goal of the system [and in all fairness, no other nation in the world has a single perspective either].

      All other points aside, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. I would also add that there is a huge problem with the system in that a criminal detainee can demand cable TV, but can't be protected from being raped. Our priorities in the penal system are quite messed up.

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    27. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      These 3 strikes laws are retarded. Someone got 25 years for stealing a pizza.

      Absolute FUD. 3 strike laws apply to felonies, not petty crime, so you are full of it. I would agree that there are problems with any mandantory sentencing, but your example is simply false.

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    28. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by jfern · · Score: 1

      You're wrong. Because of a prior felony record, crimes that wouldn't otherwise be a felony become a felony. He stole one slice of pepporoni pizza.

      See here

    29. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by really? · · Score: 1

      Where does humanity come int this? As far as I know, in the US in criminal cases the jury is only able to state guilt/innocence. It is for the Judge to do the rest. No?
      As for the language issue ... you haven't been around the non native criminal ellement, have you? It's one of the oldest tricks. In a "previous life" I used to translate for the court, in Canada, I almost always knew the accused(s), and I knew that their English was excellent; yet they pretended they couldn't speak any Englih. (No it was not my place to enlighten the Court as to their language abilities.)

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    30. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Khazunga · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The purpose of putting someone in jail is NOT to rehabilitate them, its to remove them from the rest of us who do not go around committing crimes, in the hopes that they will not want to do that again. If they keep doing it again and again, then permanant removal *IS* the answer.
      I don't know what is more frightening: That the "Land of the Free" removes people from society, or that north-americans take it so lightly. FYI in most European countries, the prision system has, as primary objective, the rehabilitation of individuals to society. And in no case is anyone considered unrecoverable (in my country, the maximum sentence, for any given crime, is 20 years). After a large enough time period, you can't be positive that the former criminal will be reincident, and everyone deserves another chance.
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    31. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Captain+Segfault · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, in the US in criminal cases the jury is only able to state guilt/innocence.

      That is false.

      (IANAL, this is not legal advice, etc)

    32. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by miskate · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of non-cyber crimes are solved.

      Oh really? I just sat a Criminal Law exam last Tuesday, and my notes contained a little gem of a study* that found that on average for every 1000 crimes committed only about 400 are reported to cops, of which the cops record about 320. 64 are cleared up, a conviction is secured for 43 of those and 1 person is imprisoned (and yes, those are the numbers from the study - I didin't make them up).

      Of course, that's including everyday crimes like burglary and bag snatching. OTOH, I imagine the drop would be even steeper if you included every single instance of "self administer prohibited drug" and similar offences.

      Cases don't get to court unless the police and prosecutors are pretty sure they've got the right person, which is why conviction rates once there are so high. The vast majority of crimes never make it that far.

      Australian Institute of Criminology report "The Size of the Crime Problem" - sorry, I didn't put a more thorough reference in my notes and I don't have the textbook with me.

    33. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by LVWolfman · · Score: 1

      I'm glad to hear that things have improved.

      When I took Justice classes in college (a bit over 20 years ago), one of the classes used FBI statistics to show your chances of doing even 1 day in jail for a crime. (It was like 1%)

      It started out with the chances of being a suspect, chances of being charged, chances of going to court, chances of being convicted and then chances of doing any time for the crime.

      It sounds like that according to you, the criminal justice system has completely reversed itself in the past 20 years.

    34. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by nathanh · · Score: 1
      I don't know what is more frightening: That the "Land of the Free" removes people from society, or that north-americans take it so lightly.

      I have come to the conclusion that the groups who profess the loudest are trying to convince themselves moreso than anybody else.

      For example, Christians who proclaim love yet murder abortion doctors and scream profanities at gay couples. Who are they trying to convince?

      That Americans spend so much time trying to convince the rest of the world that the USA is the "Land of the Free" makes me very suspicious.

    35. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1
      These 3 strikes laws are retarded. Someone got 25 years for stealing a pizza.

      No, the person who stole the pizza is retarded. He/she knew the law and the consequences.

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    36. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they keep doing it again and again, then permanant removal *IS* the answer

      Then you would have voted for this man and the NSDAP, the Nationalsocialist German Workers Party.

      Here's article 18 of the party program of the NSDAP in the 1920 elections:

      18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

      "If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower." -- Adolf Hitler, Fuehrer and Chancellor of Great Germany while being held prisoner at Landsberg on November 5th 1925

    37. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm happy to see that Godwin's law is alive and well.

    38. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals. by shario · · Score: 1
      I agree.

      So, you advocate for locking retards in prison?

  9. Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Shoeler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "At one point, the company president tried to use a "Web bug" to trace his cyber tormenter, but Tereshchuk detected the ruse."

    Uhh - sounds like they tried to install some kind of activex microblaster-enabled spyware bug?? Maybe he was using Mozilla or something less spyware-enabled? ^_^

    Still not a bad hack attempt - smart to use others unsecured wireless connections. I'll bet we hear about more of these types of intrusions in the future (if the media prints it).

    1. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by krumms · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uhh - sounds like they tried to install some kind of activex microblaster-enabled spyware bug??

      Chances are it was just a GIF/JPEG image embedded in an e-mail. Your e-mail client downloads the image from a web server to display it and whammo - they have your IP address.

    2. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uhh - sounds like they tried to install some kind of activex microblaster-enabled spyware bug??

      Web bugs work on all web browsers, unless you have image loading disabled. Read about them here, and repeat after me: "I will not be a mindless fanboy. I will not be a mindless fanboy.".

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    3. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      smart to use others unsecured wireless connections

      I was recently in an office building in Dallas where I found 7 unsecured wireless connections. Each company had taken the time to change the SSID to match the name of their company, but it seems that encryption was something they didn't want to be bothered with.

      I bounced around until I found the one with the fastest internet connection and proceeded to read /. while waiting for my client to arrive.

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    4. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I will not be a mindless fanboy. I will not be a mindless fanboy."

      Reading /. again, Eugenia?

    5. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Um, no, you're the mindless fanboy.

      "Web bugs" images work in all web browsers, true. However, that is insanely stupid for tracking down someone, because if someone is downloading a web page you have control of, duh, you already know their IP. You gave it when they got the page.

      So unless they were running a page they knew he'd access on a free provider that they don't have logfile access to, that makes no sense at all. (And that situtation is rather implausible.)

      There are two options that makse sense here: Either they tried to hijack his web browser via an Active-X hole, so that it would phone home when attached to a different network (like his home connection), or they tried to put a web bug in his email, so they could see his IP when he checked it. (Apparently not being able or willing to hook up with his email account operators to grab his IP that way.)

      And guess what? Either one of those tricks almost certainly requires Microsoft products to work.

      Fanboy my ass.

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    6. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ? you just put it in their email, you n00b. Any web-enabled mail browser will open it.

      Why would that require Microsoft products?

    7. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 1

      Exactly the same thing that struck me when I read that

      But a smart extortionist would be browsing the net with links/lynx or opera with images turned off

      but this guy doesn't seem to be a techie stupid; only a non-digital-real-world stupid

      (Stolen sig : The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.)

    8. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 1

      can't be true 100%

      I guess the main difference is that in the MS products, viewing images is turned on by default (atleast in the ones I had used 2 years ago)

      I don't remember the default in the one I use now, evolution, but I don't think it was enabled out of the source.

    9. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I bounced around until I found the one with the fastest internet connection and proceeded to read /. while waiting for my client to arrive.


      Ah, but did you read Slashdot logged in? If they have packet sniffing enabled, they can see your cookies. Hope you didn't use any personally-identifiable accounts like webmail or shopping.

    10. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      Web bugs can be put in emails, allowing an identification to be made between an email address and an IP address. Mozilla is susceptible to this form of privacy link, as is any email client with HTML capabilities.

      Did you actually read the article I linked to? Or are you as much the ignorant fucktard as your post makes out?

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    11. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... and repeat after me: "I will not be a mindless fanboy. I will not be a mindless fanboy.".
      Whatever he is saying. Whatever he is saying.

    12. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a tough one to get around. In Thunderbird, Options -> Advanced -> Block loading of remote images in mail messages. A similar option exists in Mozilla, and I'm pretty sure Opera's mail client has one too. Oh and using any text-based mail client, for the most part, will be safe there.

      Yup, any email client with HTML capabilities is susceptible...

    13. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      Yup, any email client with HTML capabilities is susceptible...

      Nowhere did I claim that Mozilla -- and, for that matter, IE -- cannot be protected against web bugs by blocking image loading. In fact, to quote from my original post,

      Web bugs work on all web browsers, unless you have image loading disabled

      Now go and wipe that egg of your face, you dipshit.

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    14. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you fuckwit, any decent email client will not load remote images by default.

    15. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by hyfe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Web bugs work on all web browsers, unless you have image loading disabled. Read about them here, and repeat after me: "I will not be a mindless fanboy. I will not be a mindless fanboy.".

      For christs sake, woke up on your bad side this morning? Your parent is misinformed, but hardly fanboy'ish.

      Webbugs works in all browsers yeah (except lynx I guess), as turning off image loading while browsing seems kinda silly. However, as you'd probably realise if you bothered, E-mail clients are a whole different slew. The only use I've ever seen of external images in mail is exactly for tracking.

      That makes the real difference lie in the default settings. I know Opera blocks them by default, Outlook does not (for that matter, I'm not even sure it can). In my little world, that makes the microsoft product unsafe to use, while *my* alternative is safe(r).

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    16. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by John+Newman · · Score: 1

      As long as he was careful to only check that email account from public hotspots, the bug wouldn't report a useful IP address. And he'd be dumb to check the account from home anyway, since the authorities could just get the email provider's logs to see where the account was logged into from.

    17. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I know, it's fairly funny he's calling people fanboys, yet he thinks it's perfectly normal for email clients not only to display web pages, and not only to display inline images, but to display inline images from remote sites.

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    18. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Atrax · · Score: 1

      Outlook 2003 can and does block images by default in HTML email.

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    19. Re:Did they use a trojan or spyware? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      puhleeze, I even changed my mac address

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  10. this is why extortion never works by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can make your threats as vauge or specific as you want... you can be ~very~ anonymous given the tools available today (mail, internet, courier, payphone, stolen cellphones).

    However, at one point, sooner or later, you need to pickup the cheque or cash. Wire transfers can be traced, as can direct deposits. If there's a cash-only transaction, the cash can be marked and the police can watch the drop point.

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    1. Re:this is why extortion never works by foidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If everything happens inside the US, you are right, but you can successfully send money to less than scrupulous parties in certain nations...
      I haven't done it myself, but I've read about it being done(not to mention there have been successful Nigerian 419ers).
      That being said, after 9/11 it is getting harder, but not impossible, to make fradulent wire transfers.

    2. Re:this is why extortion never works by iabervon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If an extortion victem is willing to go to the cops, it's already not going to work very well. If catching you is worth the information getting out, then you don't have sufficiently valuable information.

    3. Re:this is why extortion never works by ChrisGuest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, this is why extortion never works, because the extorter never figures out an anonymous way of having money transferred.

      But, if the extorter is trying to achieve a behavioural response, such as a political concession, extortion can be higly effective. I guess, though, we refer to in these instances as 'blackmail' rather than 'extortion'.

    4. Re:this is why extortion never works by GuyFawkes · · Score: 5, Informative


      There is an old method that does work and is used for extortion and other purposes...

      1/ create bank / building society account in ficticious name with false documents and genuine 500 cash deposit. Make sure account comes with an ATM card.

      2/ wait one year while doing the minimum to keep the account active. Do not go near the maildrop you used, but do make sure it is paid up.

      3/ Do extortion thing, instruct victim in the following manner...
      a/ pay 100,000 into account number xxxx at bank xxx
      b/ notify the police if you wish, but be advised that should the account be suspended or frozen in ANY way WHATSOEVER you will simply and without further warning do whatever it was you threatened (eg put HIV+ blood in baby food which was most recent case here that comes to mind) and walk away from the whole deal.

      4/ withdraw the money from randomly selected ATM machines over the next year or three, just scout them out first to make sure they aren't covered by security cameras (if they are wear a full face crash helmet) and make sure you have a concealed carry for the card itself, don't wanna get caught with that six months later....

      You guys ought to get out more, I'm really surprised that in a diverse forum like this nobody knows about this one...

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    5. Re:this is why extortion never works by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      Sounds to me like you'd like reading books about a professional criminal named Parker. By Richard Stark (pseudonym of Donald E. Westlake).

      Some titles: "Comeback," and "The Outfit." Mostly written in the late 60's, early 70's, and hard to find.

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    6. Re:this is why extortion never works by GuyFawkes · · Score: 1


      No, it was old to me by a fellow con while spending a short vacation at one of Her Majesty's Prisons....

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    7. Re:this is why extortion never works by ornil · · Score: 1

      It makes sense except for this:
      Why is it necessary to wait for one year?

    8. Re:this is why extortion never works by beebware · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess in case of security cameras - most places will archive their footage for between 7-30 days, banks may do it for 3-6months, but I doubt any where would archive all daily footage for a year+ "just in case".

    9. Re:this is why extortion never works by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Informative
      I feel compelled to point out that all ATMs are covered by security cameras. Duh. They're built into the ATM. And that pretty much automatically removes drive up ATMs...while you can drive up wearing a helmet, they'll get your car. Some of them have a wide enough angle to get your license plate.

      However, yes, any method of payment where you can pick it up from multiple points is much better than a single point of capture. ATMs are very good because there are literally hundreds of them to choose from.

      Just don't do something stupid like take a trip across the country and withdraw the money from there, because they will check flight records. And for God's sake, wipe the card free of fingerprints before sticking it in the machine.

      The only thing I'm not sure about is the entire premise of this. I presume that the whole wait-a-year thing is to make sure the security tapes are gone and that one one remembers you from when you opened the account. But I'm not sure that that is enough.

      A slightly more clever idea would be to set up one of those fake ATM covers to steal card numbers and PINs, but just steal a few and don't use them to steal from the accounts...use them to funnel your money through. (You'll need to explain what's going on to the guy you're blackmailing, otherwise the account owner will end up in jail and you'll have no money.) Of course that's yet another set of risks...

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    10. Re:this is why extortion never works by iamacat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hmmm, HIV is not transmitted by eating and doesn't survive long outside human body. Put botulism in baby food, and we are talking. Besides, companies don't care what you do with the rest of the world. You will get more of a response if you threaten to release some internal memos saying there is no SCO source in Linux.

    11. Re:this is why extortion never works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      1/ create bank / building society account in ficticious name with false documents and genuine 500 cash deposit. Make sure account comes with an ATM card.

      Sounds troublesome.
      If you do this inside a real bank there will be a video capture of your face.

      2/ wait one year while doing the minimum to keep the account active. Do not go near the maildrop you used, but do make sure it is paid up.

      Why?

      4/ withdraw the money from randomly selected ATM machines over the next year or three, just scout them out first to make sure they aren't covered by security cameras (if they are wear a full face crash helmet) and make sure you have a concealed carry for the card itself, don't wanna get caught with that six months later....

      Bad, bad, bad.
      You'll have to travel *lots* to pick up all the bucks (what's the per-day limit on an ATM?) without visiting an ATM twice. Each transaction leaves a trace.

    12. Re:this is why extortion never works by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I could be wrong, but can't they program the ATM to treat the account as "stolen" and just eat your ATM card?

    13. Re:this is why extortion never works by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better yet, encode your own generic magstripe cards. Dispose of them after single use. They would be blank, wouldn't look like ATM cards, and the relevant numbers aren't printed on the card. Make sure not to leave a fingerprint on the card, and drop it right in front of the ATM machine.

      This minimizes the "caught with it on you" aspect.

    14. Re:this is why extortion never works by Sigma+7 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hmmm, HIV is not transmitted by eating and doesn't survive long outside human body.
      Most people don't know that.

      The threat doesn't have to be 100% realistic - it just has to contain a minimum amount of buzzwords in order to incite fear in the subject, as most people do not think rationally when confronted with such a demand.

    15. Re:this is why extortion never works by wmspringer · · Score: 1

      Yes, in which case, you release the information or whatever else it was you threatened to do if you didn't get paid.

    16. Re:this is why extortion never works by cpghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How difficult would it be to hack into bank computers, creating a bank account, have the money transferred, disable the software bug temporarily, divert that money to other accounts that you create on-the-fly? There's a small window of opportunity where that new accounts are not yet bugged. Withdraw money. Then never log back into their servers! Oh, of course, don't do this from your own phone... :)

      If you're that good a cracker, you won't have to use plain old extortion though...

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      cpghost at Cordula's Web.
    17. Re:this is why extortion never works by GuyFawkes · · Score: 1


      the actual story I was referring to
      http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/displayNod e.js p?nodeId=143632&command=displayContent&sourceNode= 142719&contentPK=10440956

      and some related local atm cloning...
      http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/displayN ode.jsp?node Id=137199&command=displayContent&sourceNode=136986 &contentPK=10423338
      and
      http://www.thisisexeter. co.uk/displayNode.jsp?node Id=137199&command=displayContent&sourceNode=136986 &contentPK=10439315

      have phun

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    18. Re:this is why extortion never works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is all true, but this is also why kidnapping is a major part of extortion in most parts of the world.

      If you kidnap a very wealthy man, and demand his family send $1M to a bank acount in the Cayman islands or you will slit his throat, often they comply, especially if that much money is insignificant.

      In the US, there are thousands of people for whom $1M is nothing, even though it takes 15 years at a fairly comfortable middle class job to make that much money.

      If you play your cards right, you can retrieve all the money before the police are ever notified of the crime. If you build a reputation for yourself and never kill your rich victims, it will end up being more profitable because they will be more likely to comply with your demands.

    19. Re:this is why extortion never works by M.+Silver · · Score: 1

      I feel compelled to point out that all ATMs are covered by security cameras. Duh. They're built into the ATM.

      You're assuming the cameras feed somewhere. They don't, always, at least in my experience. (I worked for the bank, thankyouverymuch, not the criminals.)

      --

      Slashdot's token middle-aged housewife
    20. Re:this is why extortion never works by bluGill · · Score: 2, Informative

      My face is not important. Sure if I happen to be walking outside the police station just after they show my picture to all cops they will be suspicious. Otherwise there are millions of people in the US who look enough like me that you need to check them out. Sure nearly all are easy to clear, but shear numbers means you can't check all the pictures on file. You compare to known criminals (who are more likely to do something again) and then what? Mind it is a good idea to avoid giving them photos just in case they stumble on you, but that isn't always doable.

      Pictures of my license plate (unless it is a rental under a false name, or stolen and I leave the car on the side of the road a few minutes latter) matter. Anything that can tell give the police just a hint of who I might be other than a white male between 25 and 32. (wigs or hair dye is easy to get, and contacts means that I won't always have glasses)

      You can visit an ATM twice. You just have to visit enough ATMs at random enough times that they cannot place police officers at each one you use. If they can predict anything about where and when you withdraw cash, an officer will be across the street and waiting for you to swipe your card just in case they are right.

      ATMs are suggested because they are everywhere, in particular poorly traveled places. $200/day 2 out of 3 days gives you $40,000/year tax free. I could live on that. Course you have to keep contacts in the underworld (to keep fake IDs up just in case you need one) and that costs some money. A bank branch leaves the possibility that there is a cop around the corner who can get to the parking lot before you can leave. Not worth the money.

      Yes you have to travel a lot. Still I can visit an ATM in Minneapolis, and Fargo (4 hours apart), and still make it home in time for supper. I'm not sure what the right balance between hitting ATMs on the way, and passing them so they don't know your route is. Still that is a lot of ATMs.

    21. Re:this is why extortion never works by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course. And then you show them why not paying the money was a *bad* idea.

      Chris Mattern

    22. Re:this is why extortion never works by randombit · · Score: 1

      However, at one point, sooner or later, you need to pickup the cheque or cash. Wire transfers can be traced, as can direct deposits. If there's a cash-only transaction, the cash can be marked and the police can watch the drop point.

      At least until we finally get a practical electronic cash system set up. Untraceable and unforgeable. "You will post $10,000 worth of electronic cash certificates to alt.test.messages, encrypted with this (throwaway) PGP key on this date".

      Of course given that we've known how to build one for over 15 years and still nobody is using one, it seems the economic and social problems far outweight the technical ones on this issue. IIRC some of the core patents expire pretty soon, maybe that will spur something on, but I kinda doubt it.

    23. Re:this is why extortion never works by Nodatadj · · Score: 1

      "there are literally hundreds of them to choose from."

      I think in this case, literally millions wouldn't be an exageration.

    24. Re:this is why extortion never works by gonkem · · Score: 1
      Babies can acquire HIV through breastmilk due to their undeveloped immune system.

      eg: http://www.phoenixchildrens.com/emily/AI/2249.html

      So it's not completely impossible... just improbable that a baby would get HIV from HIV+ blood in food.

      As previously said, HIV is fairly weak.

    25. Re:this is why extortion never works by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Well, you'd want to remain in the same city, otherwise they could possibly track you by traffic patterns. (Even if you regularly go to another city, you don't want them to know that.)

      It seems like the more random you can be, the better, but that's not true, because acting random can make people remember you. And, those people aren't random people in the other town, they're your next door neighbor, they're people who can't find you at home, etc.

      Likewise, I'd try to figure out something better than a closed motocycle helmet. That's just way too suspicious. Be sure to drive up low on cash and with a legit usable ATM card, and if it's suspicious abort by getting cash from your legit accounts.

      And just for indirection, you'll want to use ATMs that are not owned by the bank your account is in. You know they'll be watching the account, so anything that can waste time before they learn about it is better.

      And like I said, you can't use drive up ATMs, or any ATM where it would catch your car while you drive. Which is something like 75% of them.

      What I would do is figure out an area roughly around where you live, although shifting it to one side might be a good idea. Throwing suspicion by driving thirty minute to the same, other town, sounds like a good idea, until you get a speeding ticket on the way back or hit a traffic camera or get remembered by a gas station attendent. Local is safe, local is having plausible reasons to be there.

      While there may be millions of ATMs, there are not millions of ATMs useable for this scam.

      --
      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    26. Re:this is why extortion never works by shachart · · Score: 1

      and make sure that you park anywhere that isn't covered by cameras, or the police will be able to read your license plates...

      --
      Those who can, do. Those who can't, consult.
    27. Re:this is why extortion never works by Chacham · · Score: 1

      If a helmet is suspicious, howsabout a Darth Vader helmet? People will look, but laugh as well.

      Also, for ATM machines, there are some now that don't eat cards, instead they simply slide through.

    28. Re:this is why extortion never works by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      not all atms have cameras. standalone machines in convenience stores, bars, on the street, etc. don't always have cameras except for what's in the store

      another thing to do would be to use the many "use debit-card and get cash back" services.

    29. Re:this is why extortion never works by ACPosterChild · · Score: 1

      What bugs me is how you're supposed to pull out 100K in 200 chunks. Maybe there are accounts that let you pull out 1K or more in a day, but I've not seen them.

  11. Why criminals seem dumb by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4, Funny

    If someone's a REAL master criminal, then he doesn't get caught and you never hear about him. Therefore, the only criminals you hear about are the dumb ones who get caught. Or at least that's my theory. Seems worthy of a $100 million research grant. (And there you have my template for becoming a master criminal. Enjoy.)

    1. Re:Why criminals seem dumb by adamfranco · · Score: 1

      The dumb one steal small amounts for cash registers and banks. Easy to get caught, lots of interaction with victims. Tough sentences.

      The smart ones steal huge amounts from share-holders (a la Martha), consumers (various price-fixing schemes), tax-payers (Enron extorting money from CA), and others. They don't often get caught, they make huge amounts of money, the sentences are light, and as Ed Norton says in Fight Club; if someone dies (Ford roll-overs, etc), that's ok as long as the cost of settlements is less than the cost of a recall.

      I guess the a-moral of this is that to be a good criminal, work with the system, not against it.

      --
      "When ideology and theology couple, their offspring are not always bad but they are always blind." -- Bill Moyers
    2. Re:Why criminals seem dumb by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      I didn't think Martha stole from shareholders, the case is that she used inside information to dump her stocks....

      --
      500 dollar reward for tip(s) leading to the arrest of the person(s) who stole my sig.
    3. Re:Why criminals seem dumb by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      And it wasn't a huge amount either. At least from her point of view.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  12. make the check payable to Myron Tereshchuk by smchris · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Yup, the drop is always the hard part, isn't it?

    And thank goodness. We'll always have action movies.

  13. Ricin? by Loiosh-de-Taltos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One must have an impressive grudge to consider using RICIN (which happens to be my favorite poison)

    1. Re:Ricin? by k4rm4_p0l7c3 · · Score: 1

      does ricing taste like rice?

      inquiring minds want to know

    2. Re:Ricin? by k4rm4_p0l7c3 · · Score: 1

      DAMNIT son of a WHORE
      i meant RICIN, not ricing :(

    3. Re:Ricin? by ForThePeople · · Score: 1

      Ya, or maybe the company IS corrupt, and hes just goin a little overboard.

      --
      To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt. --E.C. Stanton
  14. A good idea... by Bull999999 · · Score: 1, Funny

    We should try the same scheme, but tell them to make the check payable to Darl McBride or Bill Gates.

    --
    1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d
    1. Re:A good idea... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I.B.M, U.B.M, We all B.M., For I.B.M.!

      I remember that book. When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One, wasn't it?

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    2. Re:A good idea... by k4rm4_p0l7c3 · · Score: 1

      They already tried to extort people, on a much larger scale- and horribly failed :)

    3. Re:A good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it would be worth Bill's time to cash a cheque for a mere 17 million.

  15. most CAUGHT criminal are incredibly stupid by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But as the stupid one are caught you are left with the intelligent mastermind, which will enjoy their million extorqued. "Darwnism", if I may use the analogy at its best.

    --
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  16. Let's get this over with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mike Rotch, Dick Fitzwell, Richard Cranium, Richard Dragon, Peter Dragon, Richard Cumming, Hugh Johnson, Jack Hoff...

    1. Re:Let's get this over with by macthulhu · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Jack Hoff"... That takes me back. There was a local cop in my home town whose last name was Knouff. In his off duty time, he was a heavy drug user and mall cop, in that order. In junior high, we always called him Jack. Being sort of a failed body builder/wannabe stud/ scumbag type, he was usually hitting on high school girls who would then laugh at him and continue teasing him after we left. After a while, there must have been hundreds of kids doing this to him. Years later, I heard he had some kind of meltdown drunk and on duty at the mall where he beat the crap out of a 15 year old. Turns out his real name was Ralph, which I'm not sure was really any better. I wonder whatever happened to old Officer Jack Knouff? Now that it I'm thinking of it, the police chief here was named Richard Reems... I'm starting to think my hometown was run by the cast of a gay porn movie...

      --

      Someday a real rain is gonna come...

    2. Re:Let's get this over with by klafhat · · Score: 1, Funny

      Jack Hoff...

      How is that name pronounced? Please enlighten me. Do you prononce the H in the last name?

      --

      Tell me more, tell me more

  17. When will people learn. by Chatmag · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can't stay anonymous forever on the Internet. There are too many methods available to trace a person back to the source. Subpoenaing server logs or ISP client records is a good start.

    Writing hold up notes on one of your own return address formatted envelopes is not a good way to go about it either. Or in his case demanding a check in his own name. Cracks me up when I see people make fundamental mistakes like that.

    --
    Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
    1. Re:When will people learn. by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1

      If that were true, the recent anti-spam laws would actually be enforceable.
      Numerous methods remain to make you too hard to track.
      You can be using a vast army of windows zombies as as proxies (one of the many windows users whose machine was taken over in this fashion successfully defended himself against a child porn charge that way). Any machine where you can wipe the logs is a good place to have the trail go cold.
      You can use public libraries, and other public internet locations. Unsecured WAPs work too.

      The fact is, is that you are only traceable on the internet if you aren't really trying to hide, or if you are too stupid to hide.

      --
      -- perl -e'print pack"H*","6e656d6f406d38792e6f7267"' /. ate my old sig. Bastards.
    2. Re:When will people learn. by c0bw3b · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can't stay anonymous forever on the Internet. There are too many methods available to trace a person back to the source. Subpoenaing server logs or ISP client records is a good start.

      An honest question: where would they go from there when they found out he was using random open wireless networks? That gotta be pretty tough to track down...

      --
      ||:|::
    3. Re:When will people learn. by Chatmag · · Score: 1

      Good points all.

      There was a murder case here in Gainesville last year, a grad student of UF was murdered. His laptop was missing, and the police traced it to the MAC address. When the allegeded murderer used that laptop, they nailed him.

      --
      Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
    4. Re:When will people learn. by awol · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't stay anonymous forever on the Internet. There are too many methods available to trace a person back to the source. Subpoenaing server logs or ISP client records is a good start.

      On the contrary. It is actually quite easy to generate a _completely_ untraceable email address. If one proceeds to use it from different (and carefully chosen) internet cafes and insecure wifi points you could conduct a series of correspondences without any chance of them tracing you. I shan't go into the details here but there are a number of web pages that describe the process. I believe "The Register" linked to such an article about 18 months ago.

      --
      "The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging."
    5. Re:When will people learn. by clarkcox3 · · Score: 1

      That's easy to overcome: Change the MAC address.

      --
      There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
    6. Re:When will people learn. by xchino · · Score: 1

      Who modded this up as insightful? Of course you can stay anonymous forever on the internet. This guy didn't get caught via the internet, he gave out his own name! If he hadn't done that they very well might never have caught him. Besides that, his point wasn't to stay anonymous, it was to extort a company through technology without being caught. If you want to stay anonymous on the internet, there are a ton of ways to do so, some legal, some not. My point is you can stay as anonymous asyou like. How is subpoenaing the ISP logs going to help when he did all his cracking through other people's open wireless? He could aslo have been spoofing his MAC address so that even if a wireless PA owner caught his activity in logs, the "identifying number" could be obviously bogus, or even misleading. This guy got caught because he was an idiot, not because you can't stay anonymous on the internet.

      --
      Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
    7. Re:When will people learn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except that isn't untraceable either. they will eventually be able to trace every place you ever connected from, usually these will probably be within driving distance of wherever you live or operate from. and since they know know what time you were at each place they can start finding witnesses that saw you at each one.

    8. Re:When will people learn. by sploo22 · · Score: 1

      So what? If your email address isn't traceable, your IP certainly will be.

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      Karma: Segmentation fault (tried to dereference a null post)
    9. Re:When will people learn. by BigFire · · Score: 1

      There was a case of a serial murder getting caught by online map service log. Basically, there were number of women getting killed, and a victim profile article was done. The killer mailed a bragging letter to the news outlet, and included a printout of where to find more victim. The police went to the place in question, and finds the next victim. They realized that the map was generated via a specific online map service, and got a court search order to ask the service to turn over the server log. They were able to trace that activity back to a public library, where there were eye witness who can place the killer working on the computer.

    10. Re:When will people learn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't stay anonymous forever on the Internet

      Sure you can ;)

    11. Re:When will people learn. by John+Newman · · Score: 1

      Since the parent's talking about logging on anonymously to unsecured public wifi hotspots, I assume you mean MAC address, not IP address. And even that you can change easily enough each time you use a hotspot.

      Knowing that the emails were sent by "192.168.x.x" isn't going to help the cops much.

    12. Re:When will people learn. by Obfiscator · · Score: 1
      Sure. But would you have thought of that before you read the above post?

      You have to do a lot of things right in order to get away with a crime. You only have to do one thing wrong in order to get caught.

      --
      "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." -Indiana Jones
    13. Re:When will people learn. by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      is that the IP you think the cops are going to find when they look it up? That might be what you see on your LAN but it's not what the cops (or anyone else looking for you) will see. Go to http://whatismyip.com and see what I mean. Once they have your ip, as the other poster suggests, the cops can figure out where you are geographically and narrow it down from there.

    14. Re:When will people learn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're doing something illegal (and if the crime is big enough to warrant the effort), then the cops will be able to trace back to those hotspots. After that all they need to do is put them under surveillance and wait for you to come back. Since the number of hotspots in any given area is finite, you'll have to use at least one more that once eventually.

    15. Re:When will people learn. by John+Newman · · Score: 1

      Erm, right, but it's not exactly that easy. Yes, they'll see the IP of the router or gateway, and they'll be able to identify the establishment or home that hosts the hotspot you used. And then...? The whole point is that there is no IP addy which specifically identifies *you*, as the parent suggested.

      Even if you go back to the same spot predictably, they'll effectively need to keep it under 24/7 surveillance, *and* monitor your account in realtime so they know when you log on, *and* be able to pick you out among the dozen people with laptops in that particular coffee house. Assuming you're using a laptop, and not a Palm hidden in your pocket. Assuming you're even actually in the coffee house, and not in a car in the parking lot. And assuming you're directly accessing your account, and not using any proxies.

      If you were a little smarter, you'd use a dozen or so access points, or even better, just wardrive for a new one each time. Unless you're threatening to nuke a city, it's unlikely the FBI will devote the manpower to cover the dozen or more access points you've used in the past, many of which could probably be used from the proverbial car-in-the-parking lot for a fleeting moment while you receive or send email. If you're *really* smart, you'll put a proxy or ten between you and your account, making even your general location (city/country) difficult to figure out.

      It reaches the point real quick where it's just not worth law enforcement's time, where they would be much better off waiting for you to screw up or following up traditional leads with traditional techniques. Like, who's the check supposed to be made out to?

  18. Make check payable to Myron Tereshchuk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Uh, shouldn't that be Moron Tereshchuk?

    1. Re:Make check payable to Myron Tereshchuk by Chatmag · · Score: 1

      LOL, or how about the world famous Stuart Pidowski, his friends call him Stu Pid.

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      Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
  19. Obligatory Family Guy Quote by Zorilla · · Score: 3, Funny

    This guy doesn't sound much better in a pinch than Peter Griffin:

    Psych ward clerk: "What's your name, sir?"
    Peter: "Umm.....Pee.....ter.............Griffin.....damn! "

    Bonus Simpsons quote:
    Homer at Post Office (trying to disguise voice): "Hello, my name is Mr. Burns. I believe you have a letter for me"
    Post Office employee: "Ok, what's your first name?"
    Homer (smugly): "I don't know!

    --

    It would be cool if it didn't suck.
    1. Re:Obligatory Family Guy Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Psych ward clerk: "What's your name, sir?"
      Peter: "Umm.....Pee.....ter.............Griffin.....damn! "


      That one's only funny when you explain the context. He tried to create a fake name and said "pea...tear...griffen", naming objects he saw in the room.

  20. It works sometimes, by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Probem is that you never hear of those cases, as the people paying dont want to risk the press release.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  21. Obligatory Simpsons reference.. by murderlegendre · · Score: 1, Funny

    "You're Myron? But I'm Myron!!

    "So, is this what it sounds like.. when doves cry?" (hugs)

    --
    There's a Starman, waiting in the sky / He'd like to come and meet us, but he hasn't got the time.
    1. Re:Obligatory Simpsons reference.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehehe. One of my favorite scenes from the Simpsons. I wonder how many of the younger kids know that it's a song from Prince.

    2. Re:Obligatory Simpsons reference.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont you mean "artist formally known as symbol to be known as prince"?

    3. Re:Obligatory Simpsons reference.. by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      "You're Myron? But I'm Myron!!

      Actually that was from "Life of Brian" (Monty Python) too

      "Where's Brian? I have an order for his release."
      "I'm BRIAN!!!"
      "I'm BRIAN!!!"
      "I'M BRIAN!!!"
      "I'm Brian and so is my wife!!!!"

  22. HOW x 1000 billion ? by jupiter909 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can someone be 'smart' to get that far, and then use their name. It defies all logic known to man. Perhaps idiots are needed in the world afterall for our entertainment.

    1. Re:HOW x 1000 billion ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.. I think it's called security through openness and peer review ;)

    2. Re:HOW x 1000 billion ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what I call the 'university effect'. People can seem smart in a narrowly defined way, such as memorizing books full of tedious trivia and spewing it out on exams when they have nothing else to do, but when the time comes to think things through, especially when it's not written in a book or handed out by a prof, they fall apart.
      This is why I never hire people with high GPAs. They always turn out to be obsessive compulsives with an inability to quickly shift focus and think on their feet. They might be good when surrounded by a big system full of checks, but they are useless in the real world.
      This is my experience talking, take it with a grain of sodium chloride.

    3. Re:HOW x 1000 billion ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOW x 1000 billion ?

      Don't you mean "HOW * 1 trillion" ?

  23. Web bugs on Mac's as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I currently know of a active web bug that targets Mac OS X to contact a site.

    http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php ?t =8262&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=6 0

    Make sure you have your Little Snitch installed or you'll never see it and to block the connection.

    So much for Mac OS X security, even Apple leaves a few holes open on purpose.

    (up to date Mac OS X 10.3.4 w/security update)

  24. Make mine to Darl McBride by mangu · · Score: 1

    And make sure to send some big cops to get me. I'm likely to resist arrest. I'll deny everything. Better shoot me first, and ask questions later.

  25. Good boy... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    ... seems to be Darwin Awards material.

  26. The actual court document is even funnier by originalhack · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like a plea agreement. read it and weep^h^h^h^hlaugh here(pdf).

    1. Re:The actual court document is even funnier by rzbx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I would not say that it is funny, but interesting. There is a lot of comments about how the company he was extorting was in corruption with the USPTO. I would not doubt this either. The sole purpose of this company was intellectual property. In the world of IP, it is much easier to make money from basically nothing. You take the work of others, and make it illegal for any one else to use it. The problem is, you need some good lawyers and some connections in the USPTO to guarantee that you receive the patents soon enough and that they go through. Now, you can argua about IP and the function it is supposed to serve, but it is what is happening in reality that I am concerned about. IP is not about progress, rarely is the case. It is about keeping control over a particular industry/technology/company/etc. It appears that this criminal was in the know of the problems, but was unfortunately a complete idiot and when it came down to it, acted foolishly. Even all the comments on slashdot are about "darwin" this "dumb criminal" that. For a bunch of geeks, it makes me sad to hear that most of you fail to look deeper into this. Go ahead, make your jokes. Laugh at the foolish criminal that has the same immoral thoughts as the company he went after. He went for the money, not the right thing to do. If he really did have information that would have exposed the company to ties with the USPTO, it would give more firepower to changing the patent system or even eliminating it and replacing it with something that would work more in helping progress science. Now, I don't know what is true or not, and these all could be lies, but I don't ignore it as absurd simply because it was a foolish criminal that said it. Making a fool out of a someone that is an enemy will tend to help you escape some of those ugly comments they made. Then again, I could have misread, I did read through only some of it really quick anyway. I recommend people read this, not any foolish remarks on a foolish person. This is slashdot, not Criminal Minds R' Us. I'll read it later, will you?

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    2. Re:The actual court document is even funnier by Ralconte · · Score: 1

      From the article ... Tereshchuk ran a small, competing patent document service that ran into trouble when he was allegedly caught removing files from U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, and was temporarily banned from the facility. Tereshchuk believed he was the victim of corruption at the patent office, and blamed MicroPatent, according to court records. Now I know this is /., and big companies are automaticaly evil, and patent compaies are raping our patent system, but really know, am I the only one who thinks this this guy's "point" is a personal delusion? Release ricin because of temporary bannination? No charges, no punishment, just a temporary move because he was stealing? Two separate threads have raised the supposition that the extorted company was crooks. Is that really true, or did you all just get the same batch as Moron? If so, remember, take the plastic off before smoking, mkay?

    3. Re:The actual court document is even funnier by rzbx · · Score: 1

      First off, I didn't say that it was a definite. Second, thank you for posting an intelligent post as opposed to the "funny" posts that serve no purpose beyond entertainment. Third, do not throw out remakrs such as "Moron" or "take the plastic off before smoking". These comments make you look bad to the wise ones, and like we care about those that laugh about "mamma's jokes" like the immature kids do at school. This is slashdot, no need for such pointless language. Now to my point. This fact you pointed out is important. It shows how easily the patent office can be manipulated. It appears this criminal was not very smart. If that is the case, then imagine what a smart group of people working together as a company can do to make easy money on intellectual property. He removed files, what about another that could simply slip files through giving a company an advantage. The only thing one would need to do then is have some lawyers to back up all the legal matters. I side with neither in this case. In fact, I take what is said in such matters and go deeper. Remember, these papers are not truth. It is what each side said. What is said could be true or false and then one must consider what was NOT said. It is difficult analyzing all of this, especially when most of it is hearsay and claims from both sides. I can not come to any conclusion in this matter but the same one I do in all of these matters; the intellectual property system is seriously flawed and complicates our entire idea economy. Although I will say this. The man is obviously in the wrong. Like they say, two wrongs don't make a right. On the other hand, the defendant could be just as wrong as he is. The only problem is, it is him vs the entire company he screwed.

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  27. ...and his blood type, too? by mangu · · Score: 1

    That would make it easier to give him a transfusion after the shoot-out.

  28. Why one shouldn't believe by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 0, Troll

    an editor/writer that posts an article with a title like 'A How-Not-To guid to cyber-extortion'

    Dumb Criminals June21st

  29. -1 Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check the frist post

  30. Not all criminals are dumb by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only the dumb criminals get caught. The authorities don't even know the smart criminals are committing crimes, let alone catching them.

    1. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the really smart ones *are* the authorities.

    2. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, they do get caught - Enron, Tyco, Nortel...

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    3. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah! But they only have to catch you once, at least for a serious crime!

      Then you have a criminal record and they round you up as a likely suspect for every crime in the neighborhood, or even around the world, if it fits your MO!

      But, at least you can still get a job as a professional criminal, if you are willing to work for a criminal organization! Even then, you will make an excellent sure-fire fall-guy if things go really bad for the criminal organization!

    4. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I hate to break this to you, but none of those three look terribly brilliant. Mostly they expected to be able to cover their tracks when they started making money again--which is akin to the gambler's conviction that he'll replace the embezzled money when he wins it back at the roulette wheel. Tyco's boss was particularly dumb--he was basically stuffing the company's money into his pockets right there in plain sight.

      Chris Mattern

    5. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by zenthax · · Score: 1

      The smart criminals are the authorities, think about it

    6. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The really smart criminals aren't commiting crimes. They ensure that they own/influence the law such that what they do aren't criminal (governments, monopolies, etc)

    7. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Alexis+de+Torquemada · · Score: 1

      The authorities don't even know the smart criminals are committing crimes, let alone catching them.

      Not always, think Kevin Mitnick. Sure, it's easier to catch the idiots, but even geniuses make mistakes.

    8. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The authorities don't even know the smart criminals are committing crimes, let alone catching them.


      The smartest criminals are in authority.
    9. Re:Not all criminals are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but what does Mitnick have to do with your point?

  31. As my friend Kuni would say... by penginkun · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stupid! You're so STUUUPID!

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  32. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals by DaRat · · Score: 1

    You mean like the guys at Enron who thought that they were so smart that they could write their own rules and would never get caught?

  33. ...but I know that you know that I know... by Jonathan+Quince · · Score: 5, Funny
    To eliminate himself from suspicion, he should have told them to make the check out to "anybody but Myron Tereshchuk".

    pffft. Amateur.

    Everybody knows that only an idiot would ask for the check out to himself; so he could use that as an alibi, since nobody would believe that it was him.

    Of course, a truly smart criminal would know that a smart investigator would realize that most people know that you shouldn't ask for the check to be written out to your own real name; so he should not have the check written to his own name. But naturally, a well-trained detective would recommend that possibility and immediately discount the possiblity that the name he demanded to be written on the check was his own name; so he should have used his own name.

    But the company he was blackmailing was located in Connecticut, which is kind of like a miniature Australia; and everybody knows that Australia is populated by criminals...

    (Ow, I think my head hurts now.)

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    1. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course, a truly smart criminal would know that a smart investigator would realize that most people know that you shouldn't ask for the check to be written out to your own real name; so he should not have the check written to his own name. But naturally, a well-trained detective would recommend that possibility and immediately discount the possiblity that the name he demanded to be written on the check was his own name; so he should have used his own name.

      Truly, you have a dazzling intellect. :o)

    2. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by Dmala · · Score: 1

      Of course, a truly smart criminal would know that a smart investigator would realize that most people know that you shouldn't ask for the check to be written out to your own real name; so he should not have the check written to his own name. But naturally, a well-trained detective would recommend that possibility and immediately discount the possiblity that the name he demanded to be written on the check was his own name; so he should have used his own name.

      Inconceivable!

    3. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

      He's just getting started.

      --
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    4. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

      Just wait 'till he gets started.

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    5. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 1

      Now, where was I? Oh yea, Australia...

    6. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      (Ow, I think my head hurts now.)

      Must be the iocaine.

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    7. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by Paleomacus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Inconceivable!

    8. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    9. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      everybody knows that Australia is populated by criminals...

      Not South Australia, there weren't any convists down here. However, we do now have serial killers. At least there isn't a gang war like in Melbourne.

      To be honest, most of the criminals around here seem to involve music sharing. And is there anyone here that doesn't do that? Anyone? Exactly.

    10. Re:...but I know that you know that I know... by Magius_AR · · Score: 1
      Of course, a truly smart criminal would know that a smart investigator would realize that most people know that you shouldn't ask for the check to be written out to your own real name; so he should not have the check written to his own name. But naturally, a well-trained detective would recommend that possibility and immediately discount the possiblity that the name he demanded to be written on the check was his own name; so he should have used his own name.

      But the company he was blackmailing was located in Connecticut, which is kind of like a miniature Australia; and everybody knows that Australia is populated by criminals...

      Me: Truly you have a dizzying intellect!
      You: *high-pitched voice* I'm just getting started!

      - Never go in against a Sicilian, when *death* is on the line!

  34. Evidence? by Zone-MR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does requesting that the check is written out to his name immediatly prove that he is the culprit?

    If so it would be worryingly easy to frame someone.

    1. Re:Evidence? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      That by itself probably isn't enough evidence to convict or even arrest. But it is enough evidence to get all manner of search warrants to find damning evidence.

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    2. Re:Evidence? by Zone-MR · · Score: 1

      Yes, the original article mentioned that the FBI followed the guy around for a few months, and eventually caught him red-handed.

      The slashdot story seems to imply that the guy was so dumb that he told them who he was by asking for the check to be written out to himself.

      My point is that while asking the check be written out to himself might give them a strong suspicion, it isn't THAT stupid (everyones knee-jerk reaction is "OMFG!1! When he did that everyone knew it was him so he got busted", which is bullshit. There is a difference between knowing who is the culprit, and proving it. The part where the guy fucked up was that he wasn't careful enough when it came to ensuring someone who had the power to raid his house wouldn't find any evidence.

  35. The biggest criminals... by infolib · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...never break the law. They write it.

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    1. Re:The biggest criminals... by BokanoiD · · Score: 0

      - Silvio Berlusconi

  36. What's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a robbery note!?!

  37. Stupid criminals by NineNine · · Score: 0, Redundant


    Speaking of idiots...

  38. GTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bentley, who also faces charges including grand theft auto, was held without bail at the Collier County Jail.

    says the article

    Is playing GTA *that* criminal!?!

  39. Not that uncommon by einhverfr · · Score: 1


    There's a TV show broadcast over here in the UK (on some of the cable channels) "America's Dumbest Criminals" - guess this guy'll be on soon enough. I have to admit I thought a lot of the stories were made up, but if people are going to sign their REAL NAME to an extortion demand, sheesh, perhaps people *can* be that stupid.


    Actually it is not that uncommon. One of the most common mistakes bank robbers make is to write down the demands on the backs of their deposit slips....

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  40. The smartest criminals by dpilot · · Score: 1

    are those where nobody, even the victim, realizes that a crime has been committed. Brings to mind the old (urban?) legend about a programmer at a bank who had fractional pennies skimmed from everyone's interest payments and added to a special account he'd set up. They caught him because he'd made the special account a nonsense name that would come up last in sort order - dump all fractional interest in the final account. One day, for whatever reason (contest?) they happened to look at the name on that last account, and the suspicion started.

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    1. Re:The smartest criminals by Brainboy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I saw Superman III too.

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    2. Re:The smartest criminals by dpilot · · Score: 1

      I heard the (urban?) legend long before that bomb thudded on the American cinemascape.

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  41. he must have been reading from SCOs manuals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    he must have been reading from SCOs manuals on how to extort people....

  42. Most crooks by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    Are stupid. The smart ones are the ones you have never heard of. From several cops I know: most crooks talk themselves into jail. Their ego demands they brag about their "accomplishment" to someone and the word gets out.

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  43. Talking about high conviction rates ... by Savage650 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Also, most crimes that go to court result in conviction (well over 90%).

    And that is supposed to mean the system works and society is safe? THINK AGAIN!

    A 90-plus percent conviction rate says nothing about

    • crimes that go undetected (obviously not part of any statistc)
    • crimes that never go to court (lack of evidence/suspects, or shady deals with the DA)
    • innocent people being convicted (erroneously, or -even worse- deliberately)
    I'm not advocating crime (i concur with other posters in suggesting a political career instead), but i recommend scepticism towards these bogus statistics. Especially with the current abrogation of civil rights, the conviction rate is about the worst metric for the qality of a judicial system

    And make no mistake: a right taken from a "suspected terrorist" is a right taken from YOU. Just wait until your name shows up on some computer-generated list of (probable) suspects.

    But coming back to conviction rates: history has quite a few examples of systems with really high conviction rates. You might want to read up on Cheka, NKWD, GESTAPO, STASI, .. All of these have one thing in common: they were not bound by the law they were (supposed) to uphold. Then read on about Camp X-Ray.

    1. Re:Talking about high conviction rates ... by cpghost · · Score: 0, Troll

      Just wait until your name shows up on some computer-generated list of (probable) suspects.

      Oh, since when doesn't posting on /. qualify for suspect status?

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    2. Re:Talking about high conviction rates ... by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      but i recommend scepticism towards these bogus statistics.

      They are not bogus, they are statics that indicate the conviction rate of the cases brought to court. Read.

      And make no mistake: a right taken from a "suspected terrorist" is a right taken from YOU. Just wait until your name shows up on some computer-generated list of (probable) suspects.

      You are absolutely paranoid. There is a big difference in taking rights from someone, and someone being wrong about having a "right" to begin with anyway.

      The statistic was just that: a simple snapshot that says that of the cases that go to court, the vast majority result in conviction. Why you draw all these other conclusions from it (aside from a possible Troll) is beyond me.

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    3. Re:Talking about high conviction rates ... by miu · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You are absolutely paranoid. There is a big difference in taking rights from someone, and someone being wrong about having a "right" to begin with anyway.

      Fucking Christ. Is there some sort of neo-con mint that presses out people who say things like this?

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  44. Maybe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Myron Tereschuk did NOT send the $17 million extortion note.

    Maybe somebody else hit the victim company and also set up a phony bank account in Myron Tereschuk's name. Then when the $17 million arrives, it's wired out to Eastern Europe 5 minutes later.

    Of course, the police know this. That's why they use the clues they have to stake out Myron Tereschuk and gather more evidence, not just to shoot him on sight.

  45. If I commited a crime because I need cash, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd force my victim to *induce* the money. I could think of very good ways to do exactly that, without leaving traces.

    The idea is to change value, not to transfer money. It's about information, not material "money".

    But that's probably something "classical" criminals would never think of.

    I'll never understand how people stupid enough to rob a bank can handle something complicated like a knife or a gun.

  46. Another stupid criminal by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 3, Funny
    The guy who tried to carjack a van with judo students in it. He got 11 years.

    here .

  47. Intelligent crooks by RKEM · · Score: 0

    Start software companies or get into politics ... and manage not to get caught.

  48. How hard would it be to frame someone like this? by nasor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Break into the company's computers, steal some data. Break into the victim's computer, plant the data in some out-of-the-way subdirectory where he's unlikely to look. Start extorting the company, then at some point offer up the identity of your victim as your own. It seems like this would be pretty easy, especially when you consider how easy it is to take a computer over with trojans and worms now days. If you set the trojan to automatically erase most of itself after you planted the files, I doubt anyone would listen when the victim started claiming that he didn't know how the files got there.

    This is an example of the sort of societal problems that come from widespread security vulnerabilities in computers. Windows is so easy to take over now that we can't really be sure of the origin of ANYTHING that we find on someone's comp. It's getting to the point where when authorities find something illegal (like say child porn) on a computer and the owner claims that he didn't put it there, there's really no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he isn't telling the truth. How hard would it be to write a worm/trojan that causes a computer to automatically download some illegal material, send an email 'tip' to the authorities via some anonymous remailer, and then erase most of the trojan? Can we really ever be sure 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that anyone is responsible for what's on their computers any more? What's to stop a criminal from installing a trojan on his own computer and then claiming (quite reasonably) that someone took over his computer and put the material there?

    I really don't want this to turn into a anti-microsoft rant, but Windows vulnerabilities have basically reduced computers to the status of a big unlocked plastic bin that's sitting by the curb in front of everyone's house. If you find something illegal in it then yes, the guy who owns the bin looks pretty suspicious, but who's to say the neighbor didn't put it there? Or some random person who noticed the bin while driving by and decided to stop and place something inside? These security flaws have simultaneously taken away people's accountability for what's on their computers, and made it really easy to frame innocent people for major crimes.

  49. Hey, it really works! by famazza · · Score: 2, Funny
    • and the guy who rubbed fresh lemons on his face before robbing a bank because someone told him that if you did that, the cameras could not pick up your image. True story according to "news of the weird", a syndicated feature found in many independent newspapers here in the US. They have stories like this all the time.

    Hey, that really works. I've robbed a bank last friday and no cops here yet.

    ... Wait a second, there's somebody knocking my door...

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  50. Checklist by filledwithloathing · · Score: 1
    1. Turn off remote images in email client to foil web bugs.

    2. Utilize unsecured Wireless Access Points to provide 100% annonymity.

    3. Make checks payable to Myron Tereshchuk.

    4. D'oh!

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  51. And just how do you move $17 million? by LostCluster · · Score: 1

    There's simply no way to get $17 million and not have it be traced. Any financial transaction that large will trip alarm bells that'll make it stand out...

    Large-scale extortion never works. What ever account gets that money will be traced, and that'll eventually give up the location of the criminal.

    1. Re:And just how do you move $17 million? by forkboy · · Score: 1

      That's why you get $5000 of it in cash and travel to Bermuda or Switzerland where you can deposit it safely and transfer it bit-by-bit to US accounts when you need it.

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  52. I wouldn't have suspected Tereshchuk. by BinBoy · · Score: 1

    If someone told me to make the check payable to Myron Tereshchuk, I would immediately suspect an enemy of Myron Tereshchuk. Turns out they had other evidence though.

  53. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals by number11 · · Score: 1

    You mean like the guys at Enron who thought that they were so smart that they could write their own rules and would never get caught?

    And of those hundreds or thousands of people who worked for Enron (not only top execs who masterminded crimes, but the traders and other foot soldiers who carried them out), how many are doing time today? How many have even been charged?

    Where the street criminals are stupid is, they're liable to do long hard time for something that nets them a few hundred bucks. But they're working class criminals, they don't have the suits or connections to do crime wholesale. Enron traders made a bundle with essentially zero risk (maybe a couple of the top guys will do a few years, but considering the amount of money involved, it was a good gamble even if they did get caught; no traders have even been charged). Halliburton execs just pay a small penalty as cost of doing business with the government, and double the amount of overcharge on the next contract to make up for it. Try a google for "price fixing". Qwest. Tyco. Adelphia. Vivendi Universal. AOLTimeWarner. Samsung. Bayer. DuPont...

    Some will rob you with a six-gun,
    And some with a fountain pen.
    --Woody Guthrie

  54. Cybersquatter.. by kalexa2 · · Score: 1

    Looks like Myron is also a cybersquatter too!

    He owned jamore.com at one time which was a Chrisitan Dior perfume.

    1. Re:Cybersquatter.. by kalexa2 · · Score: 1

      sprry.. wrong topic.. don't know how i put this here...

      Meant to reply to this thred.

  55. I first read it... by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 1

    ... as Moron Tereshchuk, not Myron. But at the end of the post it's clear I was correct.

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  56. I just had an awesome image... by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

    ...of a 17 million dollares check made to "Cash".
    Nah, he should have asked for all of it in coins. Pennies, preferably.

  57. WebBug???? by attobyte · · Score: 1

    I think that would be a virus in everyone elses book. One that probably reports in IP addesses everytime he logs in. I guess WebBug sounds better when its in their favor.

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    1. Re:WebBug???? by hsoft · · Score: 1

      A webbug is not a virus. It is (but not limited to IMO) a HTML tag (usually a tag) that hits the server of the bug's maker. This way, you can know the ip of the guy when he opens the e-mail (because the HTML renderer displays the image). Of course, this only works if the recipient don't read their mails in text-only mode.

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  58. Sad part is Micropatent is full of criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although I cannot condone what this gentleman did. I do feel kind of bad that he didn't get the money from this firm. Having worked for this patent firm "Micropatent", I've found that it is completely full of criminals, or at the very least, "Higly immoral people." The company has a large group of non-citizens who depend on their employment there to remain residents in the US. A few employee's whom I've talked to have been forced to move across the country and take a pay cut just to stay in america. They know this and exploit it. Additionally, their CIO has had a history of bad IT practices, utilizing minimal or often times no security to protect their own IP data as well as customer data. The biggest incident at this company was what the UNIX team found to be a 'staged break-in' which was allegedly staged by the CIO, Director of operations, Director of Development, A contracting senior developer, and the IT manager. During this breakin, mass amounts of data was exported off the servers, and the admin team was not allowed to track the data. Later investigation lead to considerable evidence including file timestamps, transfer logs, su logs, which overwhelmingly suggested that this was an inside job. This was brought to the attention to the VP of finance, as there was a LOT of money flying out the door that shouldn't have, and previous discussions were had with this VP. Eventually, the CIO and director of operations found out that the admin team were keen to these happenings and begin to harass the entire team. The whole team brough harassment charges up to the Human Resources Director, who suggested that the management in Micropatent were found guilty. However the day before her report was due to come out, all but one member of the team were fired. Incidentally, the VP of finance and HUMAN RESOURCES were fired as well.

    After all the harassment and insane goings on, it is common to want to seek some sort of revenge, however people need to realize that it is just not worth it and then move on. That's what I had to do. Funny part is this guy never even worked there...

    With any luck, someday the feds will set their sites on Micropatent and they'll get what they deserve...

    1. Re:Sad part is Micropatent is full of criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A few employee's whom I've talked to have been forced to move across the country and take a pay cut just to stay in america."

      employee's?

      's?

      ???

      I D I O T !

    2. Re:Sad part is Micropatent is full of criminals. by dave420 · · Score: 1
      ooh! "non citizens"! run for the hills!

      What is it with narrow-mindedness and slashdot these days? Is this the fourth reich? :-P

    3. Re:Sad part is Micropatent is full of criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my point is that the company abuses its employees knowing that they have to take it in order to stay in the country.. I believe you interpreted that wrong.

    4. Re:Sad part is Micropatent is full of criminals. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Steaming into a point on how bad a company is and immediately mention "non citizens", and your objectivity goes right out the window :)

    5. Re:Sad part is Micropatent is full of criminals. by fizbin · · Score: 1

      See, I'm as ready to suspect the average slashdot post of anti-immigrant blustering as anybody else, but it's pretty obvious, if you can read any of the grandparent post at all, that the point about the employees being non-citizens was meant to emphasize how this company was able to exploit its workers.

  59. Re:Racism against Indians by Aardpig · · Score: 1

    Would you please post a racist comment against the Indians and check that out?!

    Just read through some posts on outsourcing, which are nothing more than racist attacks on Indians. Oh, and also look up satire.

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  60. Re:How hard would it be to frame someone like this by Zone-MR · · Score: 1

    It's getting to the point where when authorities find something illegal (like say child porn) on a computer and the owner claims that he didn't put it there, there's really no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he isn't telling the truth.

    There's your answer. I imagine framing someone using your method would be difficult. In this case (rtfa) the fact that he wrote the check out to his name didn't seem to matter much (despite everones knee-jerk reaction "omfg, he's so dumb" - he was a suspect anyway). The FBI followed him around for months until they eventually caught him red handed.

  61. nope, it's true.. Re:This story is false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vae/ArchivePress/JunePDF Archive/04/tereshchuksof060804.pdf
    http://www.usd oj.gov/usao/vae/ArchivePress/JunePDF Archive/04/tereshchuk060804.pdf

  62. Re by Arngautr · · Score: 1

    ...which can be summed up for the grandparent's benifit in one word (sortof): RTFA!

  63. It's simple. We don't hear about smart criminals by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    We don't ever hear about smart criminals because they hardly ever get caught. And when they do get caught it is because of some stupid mistake they've made.

    Although why a guy would ask for a $17m check, in his own name and think he could possibly cash it is beyond me. An anonymous drop off point. Cashing it through a fake id and transfering portions of it through several number accounts in various countries. Using some proxy who you expect to get caught, but not before you get your money. I mean we're not talking about robbing the local kwik-e-mart. This is $17m, certainly you need to come up with a real plan.

    The fact that they company turned the guy in rather than meeting the demands of the extorsion only shows that the information the guy had wasn't good enough to warrant $17m to keep it secret. Otherwise when the guy was caught he would have told everyone what it was and the company would be ruined. (just because you catch a blackmailer doesn't mean you can silence them, even killing them doesn't work if they have someone scanning obituaries to release information on your death).

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  64. Sheesh. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    This guy makes Darl look like Warren Buffett.

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  65. Subject for next 'ask slashdot' by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what's the best way to demand an extortion payment? The new $20 bills have RFID tags in them, so you can't get 'unmarked bills.' Do you ask for gold coins? Or will the cops stake out the location of the drop? Payments to a swiss escrow account, perhaps? There has to be a more creative way...

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    1. Re:Subject for next 'ask slashdot' by Cryect · · Score: 1
      Except the new $20 bills don't have RFID tags in them...

      That article where they microwaved them completely ignored the little fact that all they did was microwave the metal strip in them.

    2. Re:Subject for next 'ask slashdot' by aonifer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's no metal strip in $20 bills, nor was it because of the ink (or RFIDs). Here's what I want you to do: Take some plain printer paper. Cut it into about 50 $20-bill-sized pieces. Put that pile in the microwave. Turn the microwave on. Don't go anywhere, because you'll want to turn it back off very quickly. The result you'll see is remarkably similar to what the RFID guy got. Huh.

  66. Re:How hard would it be to frame someone like this by Megor1 · · Score: 1

    People have Used this defense and gotten off.

    You can't really blame this on Windows, is just a fact of life that computers can be modified to look whatever way you want. Logs can be modified/erased, files can be overwritten.

    Imagine if you will though a politicians home computer is broken into, child porn is placed on the computer and its set to go on kazaa. A tip is sent into police that ip 24.55.34.21 is sending out child porn. Police show up and arrest him/her. Now even though they *might* be able to get off saying they were hacked (even if all evidence was removed from the computer), their career will be ruined with the stigma that they were suspected of downloading child pron. This would pretty much ruin anyones life.

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  67. dumb thief stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You always hear about dumb thieves getting cought becouse they are dumb. What about the smart ones? You never hear about them getting cought. It makes me wonder how much crime there really is, on the internet or otherwise.

    stendec@gmail.com

  68. Connecticut is NOT like austrailia by Brainboy · · Score: 1

    But the company he was blackmailing was located in Connecticut, which is kind of like a miniature Australia; and everybody knows that Australia is populated by criminals

    I resent that. We do not say anything resembling "G'day mate" nor do we wrestle alligator.

    Besides, I'm not... well i know people who i'm pretty sure are NOT criminals.

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    1. Re:Connecticut is NOT like austrailia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I resent that. [...] Besides, I'm not... well i know people who i'm pretty sure are NOT criminals.

      Grandparent post was a reference to The Princess Bride .

      (And here I thought Aussies had a good sense of humor! ;-)

  69. my cousin by ReidMaynard · · Score: 2, Funny

    my cousin is a stupid criminal. He was arrested as the driver in a get away car [armed robery, Las Vegas] He tried to tell the Judge, "Hey, I was just hitchhiking and these guys picked me up."

    I am consouled by the fact we were both adopted, from different families.

    he gets out in Spring of 2006 and wants to move near me

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  70. Stupid or Overconfident? by Mazem · · Score: 1

    If he had such sensitive information that he expected the company to pay him off, then what's so foolish about giving away his name? If the information is valuable then he is protected - if he gets prosecuted, he leaks the information.

  71. Accursed are the meek by NSash · · Score: 1

    After all the harassment and insane goings on, it is common to want to seek some sort of revenge, however people need to realize that it is just not worth it and then move on.

    On the contrary, the problem is that not enough people seek revenge.

    For example, by all appearances Kenneth Lay and his partners in crime walk freely and without fear. This is a condemnation of all of the thousands of workers whose lives they destroyed: that not one of them was man enough to take revenge. (Now, if I misunderstand the situation -- if Ken Lay et al surround themselves with bodyguards or have fled overseas -- I apologize to all Enron ex-employees.) Forget judicial reform: what level of corporate anti-worker crime would remain, if even one out of every twenty executives who destroyed the lives of hundreds of workers was murdered?

    But no, you prefer to lie supine as you are trampled. You even tell yourself that your meekness and impotence is a virtue. Well then, you deserve to be trampled (you pathetic wretch). And as you lie there know that through your complicity in your own degradation, you embolden those everywhere who would prey upon the weak.

    1. Re:Accursed are the meek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear what you're saying but its not worth going to jail over.. if you get revenge, you will be caught and you will be punished... and if somehow you can manage to escape being found guilty, you have a lot of court time and legal fees on your hands... its just not worth it in the end....

  72. Actually by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    The smart criminals become lawyers, politicians, and investment bankers.

  73. ya, but ya gotta admit.... by zogger · · Score: 1

    that tyco CEO sure knows how to party!

  74. better idea: by blackmonday · · Score: 1

    He should have asked for the money in non-expiring gift certificates.

  75. Getting someone innocent imprisoned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does something potentially worring strike you about the following situation;

    1) A company/person reports receiving threats
    2) These threats cannot be traced
    3) After a while, one item of communication contains information singling out someone as the culprit
    4) This person is then arrested and charged

    I mean, yes, the fact that there had been a previous dispute between the companies indicates that the charged person had a motive to damage the other - but it ALSO indicates a motive for the OTHER part. Both parties had a motive to damage the other.

    People are likely to jump on it, of course, since it seems to be "just another case of a dumb criminal exposing himself".

    I would be seriously worried if this guy is convicted, or even suffers significantly as a result, without additional pieces of evidence. At the very least, check his computer for electronic evidence, and whereabouts at the times the threats were sent.

  76. Some people are just dumb. by SmoothTom · · Score: 1

    There is no other word.

    *sigh*

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  77. Leave-a-penny, take-a-penny by cryptor3 · · Score: 1

    Yep, that's only as difficult as making the bank computers round off those extra portions of a penny into your bank account.

    It's not stealing; it's like the take-a-penny tray in the Seven-Eleven.

  78. Haven't I heard that before?? by Minstrel+Boy · · Score: 1

    "Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius." -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

  79. 501 Dumbest Criminals. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    But "the clearest sign came when he issued the $17m extortion demand, and instructed the company to 'make the check payable to Myron Tereshchuk.'"

    I have a book floating around somewhere about the 501 dumbest criminals or something like that.

    As the story goes, two gentlemen walked into a convenience store. The storekeeper asked them if they'd like to sign a petition to increase the police force in the city. They both signed the petition, and then proceeded to draw guns, by the means of which they robbed the store and took off. When the po-lice arrived, they thought the two gentlemen must have signed fake names and addresses on the petition, but on a hunch, they decided to go to the address listed. Lo and behold, it was the same two gentlemen, and there was a bunch of stolen money and whatnot.

    The moral of the story: Unless you own your own country, with an army and a lot of guns, you don't put your name on a demand for ransom. The rest, as they say, is history.

  80. Please learn how to make links. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Please learn how to make links.
    <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/06/26/blood y.suspect.ap/index.html">the article</a>
    (without any spaces put there by Slashdot) yields: the article

    Your complaint ("(slashcode will probably put a space in there somewhere.)") is a result of your laziness. Wouldn't it have been easier to create a link that to complain about the spaces? It certainly would have meant less typing.
    1. Re:Please learn how to make links. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that to complain

      "than".

  81. "make the check payable to Myron Tereshchuk." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, well, I guess he must be guilty then. I mean nobody who has it in for him might try and frame him, right?

  82. Re:How hard would it be to frame someone like this by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1

    >Can we really ever be sure 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that anyone is responsible for what's on their computers any more?

    In other news:

    Hide some nasty kiddie porn on a page so that it loads into his cache but isn't displayed.

    Call the cops to search his hard drive. Voila!

    So not just a Microsoft problem, huh?

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  83. Re:You'll never hear about the smart criminals by Threni · · Score: 1

    >You mean like the guys at Enron who thought that they were so smart that they
    >could write their own rules and would never get caught?

    Was any money recovered from them? Often people go to jail for a couple of years for fraud or drug dealing or whatever, but the money is not always recovered. A few million dollars for 2 or 3 years in jail... doesn't sound too bad to me.

  84. Has someone farted? by torpor · · Score: 1

    Or do you want a sandwich?

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  85. Hello. by warrax_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are not bogus, they are statics that indicate the conviction rate of the cases brought to court.

    Yes, but as he was pointing out, hailing 90% conviction rates as evidence of the 'success' of the criminal justice system is unreasonable. There are a number of alternative explanations for the statistics aside from the "we convict almost all criminals we catch". For example, the statistics could just as easily be evidence of significant bias in the judicial process in favour of the prosection.

    If you can't recognize that, then you are beyond help.
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    1. Re:Hello. by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Hailing a conviction rate over 90% means that the vast majority of people do not end up in court unless they are guilty.

      I would rather see someone guity go free than an innocent person get convicted. If we had a 50% conviction rate, that would indicate that we were simply trying to persecute rather than prosecute.

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    2. Re:Hello. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hailing a conviction rate over 90% means that the vast majority of people do not end up in court unless they are guilty.

      ...or that the courts can be described with the word "kangaroo" and they are fond of applying the process known as "rubber stamping". Hailing any statistics as proof of anything without revealing detailed analysis of the measured phenomena is worse then lies.

    3. Re:Hello. by warrax_666 · · Score: 1
      Hailing a conviction rate over 90% means that the vast majority of people do not end up in court unless they are guilty.

      No, it doesn't. Here's a free hint: "convicted" is not necessarily the same as "guilty". Statistics without detailed analysis of causation are utterly meaningless and show nothing.

      Apparently you are beyond help.
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  86. the following caught my eye... by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

    "...He also avoided a web bug sent by the firm..."

    what's a 'web bug'?

  87. Several factors by phorm · · Score: 1

    Actually, quite often it's the same thing that kills off stuntsters, etc that causes criminals (even smart ones) to be caught:

    a) Bad luck. Like if you're robbing a bank and it just happens that a few cops are in to grab some coffee-cash

    b) Brazeness: A form of stupidity, it's when successful crime leads to more successful crime, and eventually increased risks, until one is caught for said crime.

  88. Oblig. Office Space Quote by el_gregorio · · Score: 1

    "Goddamn it! I always screw up some mundane little detail!"

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  89. Nope by lorcha · · Score: 1
    That's why there are two types of electric locks: fail-safe and fail-secure. I'll leave it up to you to decide which lock when the power is lost and which unlock.

    HTH. HAND.

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