The crazy idea of the IPv6-designers was to expect all admins to request and configure new addresses - completely utopian.
Yes, NAT is not pretty. Yes, IPv6 would allow for a much cleaner network. But, no, that is not enough to push anybody to IPv6. There are no IPv6-ONLY services, therefore no benefit of running IPv6 on a client (regardless of dualstack). There are also no IPv6-ONLY clients, therefore no benefit of running IPv6 on a server (regardless of dualstack).
The alternative to IPv6 to work around the problem with NAT. And in fact that is the only way, because setting up IPv6 is useless because less than 1% use it while setting up a NAT-based solution, no matter how ugly, will get used and will get you some return of investment. And you know what? Because such NAT-based solutions are created everyday right now, they make IPv4 even more entrenched and any IPv6-transition even more complicated than it would have been before.
Oh, and on a private network, which is behind a NAT anyway, there is even less reason for IPv6 - Yes, I do have enough 10.0.0.0 addresses for my home network.
Basically, IPv6 is doomed because it is not compatible to IPv4-adresses.
Yeah, I know that dualstack exists, but the point is that if you cannot run IPv6 with a IPv4 address (filled up with zeros), it is useless.
Of course everytime someone points that out, there is a torrent of responses like this, all not understanding the problem:
The admins are stupid if they cannot set up dual-stack. - Who is more stupid? The admin who sets up IPv6 that will never get used or the admin who waits for IPv6 to reach critical mass?
Running dual-stack is so easy that it's stupid to even raise concerns about it - You have to get it your skull that running dual-stack is not the problem at all. The problem is requesting IPv6 addresses, updating DNS-entries and the general chaos that results from all this.
There is no alternative. Anybody who does not see this is stupid. - Just because the alternative is not pretty does not mean it does not exist. The alternative is to work around the problem with NAT. And in fact that is the only way, because setting up IPv6 is useless because less than 1% use it while setting up a NAT-based solution, no matter how ugly, will get used and will get you some return of investment. And you know what? Because such NAT-based solutions are created everyday right now, they make IPv4 even more entrenched.
What the IPv6-people just refuse to understand is that there is zero benefit for running IPv6 now.
In fact I think they only did the Firefox-LTS version because people got the idea to fork it, not because they really listen to their users. Maybe somebody could threaten to do a Thunderbird-fork...
However, Thunderbird is not as profitable (important) as Firefox. Firefox brings in AFAIK 100 Million/year while Thunderbird probably brings close to nothing.
The share in Japan, Germany, Russia and many other countries already lies below 4% for many years. But also traditionally Microsoft-friendly countries can turn away from IIS, for example in the last 10 years, the share in France fell from 35% to 5%, in Brazil and Taiwan from over 45% to 15% and in India even from 65% to 18%.
IIS will probably be able to hold out another 10 years, but in the long term it's future is far from rosy.
4. All the self-hatred is ruining the fun. I mean seriously, when they start to offer counceling for the rapists and tell victims to shut up it might turn some people away from the movement, don't you think? It really shows that these self-hating white "progressives" really do mean it. What is more hateful than telling rape-victims to shut up and offering the dear rapist help to cope with this evil-evil society that did not give him enough welfare-money and therefore made him a rapist?
But can you form a stable movement around that culture?
There surely are a lot of progressives who will defend liberal craziness (especially here on slashdot), but when the girlfriend gets raped or is threatened, the survival instincts of most will be stronger.
When you look at how fast Libreoffice has taken over from OpenOffice, a sane version of Firefox (like Icecat) could get 10% marketshare within a year, which translates into about 100 million per year.
But in fact, Richard Nixon was impeached for far less and while certainly there was corruption before it seems to have gotten out of hand with the Bush/Obama bailouts.
Good god, temperature is the *worst* part of the metric system. I mean, WTF. How often does anybody genuinely *care* that the freezing point of distilled water at sea level is exactly zero degrees, and the boiling point of the same is exactly 100?
It's the other way around. When snow does not melt on the grass but turns into a morass on the street - I know it's about -1 to +1 C. In other words I can use nature as a thermometer because nature consists of a lot of water.
Can you name a period of time where people have been happy with their government?
You don't seem to know a lot about history. In WWI, people volunteered to give their life for their government. (Although that changed after the war just dragged on and on)
You have to be both grossly overconfident and very naive to do business with that company.
And to all MS-apologists: No, it is not the case that "everybody does this". Most companies do provide guarantees to their customers, especially when it comes about handling data. What is the point of storing something in "the cloud" when the company boldly tells you that they have "no obligation" to even give you the data back? Of course there are some things where MS cannot be avoided, but it is your choice to minimize or maximize your exposure.
So when MS screws you over, don't complain. Also I just don't get the philosophy to shut down all servers when some deadline runs out - it would cost MS practically zero to just keep the servers running - but no, they must turn everything off to inflict maximum pain for their (hopefully ex-) customers.
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are you going to hold out forever?
Yes, I'll be "holding out" with over 99% of users out there.
People, there will never be a IPv6 transition, period.
The crazy idea of the IPv6-designers was to expect all admins to request and configure new addresses - completely utopian.
Yes, NAT is not pretty. Yes, IPv6 would allow for a much cleaner network. But, no, that is not enough to push anybody to IPv6. There are no IPv6-ONLY services, therefore no benefit of running IPv6 on a client (regardless of dualstack). There are also no IPv6-ONLY clients, therefore no benefit of running IPv6 on a server (regardless of dualstack).
The alternative to IPv6 to work around the problem with NAT. And in fact that is the only way, because setting up IPv6 is useless because less than 1% use it while setting up a NAT-based solution, no matter how ugly, will get used and will get you some return of investment. And you know what? Because such NAT-based solutions are created everyday right now, they make IPv4 even more entrenched and any IPv6-transition even more complicated than it would have been before.
Oh, and on a private network, which is behind a NAT anyway, there is even less reason for IPv6 - Yes, I do have enough 10.0.0.0 addresses for my home network.
Up until about 1820, there were 400 offenses in England that carried the death penalty. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/victorianbritain/lawless/default.htm
And the prisons were indeed terrible places
This did not make for a safer, more law-abiding society.
Actually, it did. Victorian England was a lot safer than today's England.
From here:
"The number of indictable offences per thousand population in
1900 was 2.4 and in 1997 the figure was 89.1."
Its generally more cost effective to teach them why its bad idea to steal stuff rather than lock em up for life.
[citation needed]
Throwing people in prison for longer and longer periods of time just doesn't seem to be working.
Longer prison terms is the main reason why crime has decreased since the 80's peak.
That won't stop the state-worshippers from screaming for more laws.
Exactly.
Basically, IPv6 is doomed because it is not compatible to IPv4-adresses.
Yeah, I know that dualstack exists, but the point is that if you cannot run IPv6 with a IPv4 address (filled up with zeros), it is useless.
Of course everytime someone points that out, there is a torrent of responses like this, all not understanding the problem:
What the IPv6-people just refuse to understand is that there is zero benefit for running IPv6 now.
Exactly!
In fact I think they only did the Firefox-LTS version because people got the idea to fork it, not because they really listen to their users. Maybe somebody could threaten to do a Thunderbird-fork...
However, Thunderbird is not as profitable (important) as Firefox. Firefox brings in AFAIK 100 Million/year while Thunderbird probably brings close to nothing.
She starts at 83 South, need I say more?
IIS loses everywhere, also in the "top 1 million" - category on Netcraft.
I guess the one million websites with the most traffic are not "farting around", right?
Agree completely. But in fact IIS will go the way of the Dodo. Not next year, but within the next 20 years.
Nonsense. IIS will become a legacy product
The share in Japan, Germany, Russia and many other countries already lies below 4% for many years. But also traditionally Microsoft-friendly countries can turn away from IIS, for example in the last 10 years, the share in France fell from 35% to 5%, in Brazil and Taiwan from over 45% to 15% and in India even from 65% to 18%.
IIS will probably be able to hold out another 10 years, but in the long term it's future is far from rosy.
Yeah but Obama and Bernanke liked the Occupy movement - they are part of the 99%, right?
What about:
4. All the self-hatred is ruining the fun. I mean seriously, when they start to offer counceling for the rapists and tell victims to shut up it might turn some people away from the movement, don't you think? It really shows that these self-hating white "progressives" really do mean it. What is more hateful than telling rape-victims to shut up and offering the dear rapist help to cope with this evil-evil society that did not give him enough welfare-money and therefore made him a rapist?
But can you form a stable movement around that culture?
There surely are a lot of progressives who will defend liberal craziness (especially here on slashdot), but when the girlfriend gets raped or is threatened, the survival instincts of most will be stronger.
Come on, Obama and Bernanke have already shown their support, they are already the 1%.
I guess they have to go to virtual reality because Occupy-camps have degenerated into an ugly multicultural nightmare.
To know on what side an occupy-protester stands, just ask him/her whether he/she would abolish central banking.
IPv6 cannot be introduced because it is incompatible
People at debian, Linux Mint, etc.:
All you have to do is fork Firefox, fix the release schedule and earn many millions.
When you look at how fast Libreoffice has taken over from OpenOffice, a sane version of Firefox (like Icecat) could get 10% marketshare within a year, which translates into about 100 million per year.
The sad thing is that everytime I bring up this massive scandal of enormeous proportions, I only get a shrug or something like "it's always been that way" as a response.
But in fact, Richard Nixon was impeached for far less and while certainly there was corruption before it seems to have gotten out of hand with the Bush/Obama bailouts.
Good god, temperature is the *worst* part of the metric system. I mean, WTF. How often does anybody genuinely *care* that the freezing point of distilled water at sea level is exactly zero degrees, and the boiling point of the same is exactly 100?
It's the other way around. When snow does not melt on the grass but turns into a morass on the street - I know it's about -1 to +1 C. In other words I can use nature as a thermometer because nature consists of a lot of water.
Yeah, right, those stupid rednecks don't have enough faith in global warming.
Anybody who knows even little history knows that the side that calls on "scientific consensus" (i.e. authority instead of evidence) loses in the end.
Hey, at some time people even got jailed or burned for deriving from the "scientific consensus".
The "old management" has threatened with "unexpected consequences", which in commy-speak probably means "we will nuke you".
Nobody knows much about the new guy, so almost anything can happen.
Or maybe you could have sent passengers up for only 100x what a ticket on Virgin Galactic would cost.
Actually, the Space Shuttle was a vehicle for space tourism almost from the beginning.
Can you name a period of time where people have been happy with their government?
You don't seem to know a lot about history. In WWI, people volunteered to give their life for their government. (Although that changed after the war just dragged on and on)
Look at congressional approval ratings: http://www.gallup.com/poll/145238/congress-job-approval-rating-worst-gallup-history.aspx
But that was last year. This year:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance
Not his legitimacy, something much more important his moral fiber.
Yeah and actually, he is quite open about it.
What is even more scary is that many of his voters probably think like him.
Well, Microsoft said they had "no obligation to return data" to their customers.
You have to be both grossly overconfident and very naive to do business with that company.
And to all MS-apologists: No, it is not the case that "everybody does this". Most companies do provide guarantees to their customers, especially when it comes about handling data. What is the point of storing something in "the cloud" when the company boldly tells you that they have "no obligation" to even give you the data back? Of course there are some things where MS cannot be avoided, but it is your choice to minimize or maximize your exposure.
So when MS screws you over, don't complain. Also I just don't get the philosophy to shut down all servers when some deadline runs out - it would cost MS practically zero to just keep the servers running - but no, they must turn everything off to inflict maximum pain for their (hopefully ex-) customers.
And no, NAT is not a solution.
Well, since IPv6 just will not happen, it's the best (which is not hard, because it's the only one) solution we have.