Does anyone have any websites that actully prove this? I've seen a few sites saying "analysts estimate"ing (Lets face it, an analysts job is guesswork) but nothing from an actual Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo source.
Again, I don't belive that the manufacturing cost of any console are actually higher than what the console is sold for, when things like R&D, FAB setup etc are rolled into the costs, thats where I think the "selling at a loss" comes from.
A Pentium 4 1.6 system will set you back about £599, including more memory, more hard drive space and 17" monitor. The X-Box came out what, 3 months ago and at a price of £299.
On the analyst note, a lot seems to point back to "Merrill Lynch analyst Henry Blodget" and him expecting and estimating a $125 loss on each box. And according to MS "A Microsoft representative said Microsoft had not briefed Blodget on the Xbox" so he is making a best guess, and a guess that may be standing on poor foundations.
And anyone with any idea of the console market would realise you only make the loss on consoles you sell (- stock) and that the whole basis of the market is to lose money on the console to claw it back on the games. But don't let that get in the way of your ms-bashing!
Is this really true? Do the companies make a loss on the physical box - ie the cost of the componants is more than the retail price of the box?
I assumed they made a loss if they included R&D, ie if a box took 100million to design, until enough profit is made to cover that 100million they are selling at a loss.
So how much do Sony etc, actually get per game sold? Is it pennies or pounds?
I personally think they make a profit on the boxes plus they get thier cut from the games as well.
> Unfortunately, whenever a company tanks, its > employees are the lowest spot on the totem pole > as far as debt resolution goes.
Hmm, I'm sure its different in the UK - the first people to get the money are the employees and then the creditors, and finally any customers. Pain if your a customer and sent a piece of kit off to be repaired..... but good for the employees, you'd generally get x months redundancy if it was too.
Surely it all depends on what the client side does? If all you end up doing is sending character data, co-ordinates etc why should it be particularily difficult?
I know not in the same league, but MUDS have been working fine for years.
> Excell useres that treat the thing like a database.
Both Lotus 123 and its clone AsEasyAs also had "database" functions and could be used as a one. Maybe some people don't need a full blown relational database for what they are doing?
Erm, the original Acadamy Format used in cinemas had an aspect ratio of 1.37:1 - which is pretty close to the 1.33:1 that TVs use.
It wasn't until after the introduction of TVs and the fall of Cinema attendance in the 1950s that the widescreen formats were introduced.
So technically we shouldn't be calling TV's "Narrow Screen" at all, as the American National Television Standards Committee adopted the basic Academy Frame ratio for television when it was introduced and simply rounded off the proportions to whole numbers i.e. 4:3
Amazing, I thought whales had the longest gestation period. 910 days, thats nearly 3 years.
Wow, they live for 246 years too, imagine sperm that will live that long - girls wouldn't even be able to lie on your bed without getting pregnant, makes the giant condoms out of Naked Gun 2.5 seem sensible precautions:-)
Errr, how about a standard war between a high quality standard that gets there first, is expensive and has a major problem - not making greater than 1 hour tapes, I mean media, and a johnny come lately standard that is cheaper, because it's supported by many manufacturers, lower quality but stores more tv programs, I mean data.
I remember, at Uni, we had to do Data Flow Diagrams for a number of case studies, basically there were 4 steps - Current Physical, Current Logical, Required Logical & Required Physical - the idea being after the analysis and modeling the current system, you could then stream line and show the "clients" what you were doing.
> A project estimated at one day should NEVER
> take four days.
Erm, right. Your programmer gets run over - you have to get someone else in to do it, you have to find them, interview them, get referees - now the project has taken over a week.
You may estimate 1 days worth of work - but in reality you have to try and plan for the unexpected, which is what project planning is all about.
Write a list of everything that "could" go wrong, and any bets someone, somewhere has had it happen to thier project. Just a quick 2 minutes thought and I come up with :
1) Personal Problems - Birth, death, illness
2) Transport problems - Train strikes in the UK for example
3) Electrical problesm - Power cuts, workmen cutting power lines
4) Servers dies - backups are off site and will take a day to recover
They may not all happen to the same project, but if they do you will wish you doubled that estimate again.
I completed a Degree, and to tell you the truth we covered a hell of a lot -
The modules I can remember are Systems Software, Discrete Maths, Information Systems, Software Design, Object Oriented Programming, Computer Graphics, Networks & Communication, Systems Analysis and Design, Formal Methods, Advanced Data Structures, Database Design & Implementation, Real Time OS, Real Time Systems Programming, Distributed Systems, Information Systems, Advanced Systems Software & finally the Dissertation. As outside choices there was a bit of physics and a little chemistry.
What did these cover? A hell of a lot, I think the only area I didn't go down was AI, but a quick rundown of what I rememer x86 Assembler, Ada, Prolog, Miranda, MSDos, Modula-2, SSADM, JSP, Entity Realtionship Diagrams, VMS, C++, Ingress, Access, Unix, Z Notation + Formal Methods, COBOL, Logic Gates, DB4, AutoLisp, TCP-IP, OSI 7 Layer, Cabling Standards and the History of Computing.
Yep, a lot was theory, but lets face it, if you understand linked lists and pointer you can probably code them into any language, if you undertand Sequence, Selection and Iteration, well procedural languages will fall under your sword of knowledge;-), once you have Polymorphisim, Abstraction and Inhertance sorted Object Based programming in any language will be relatively easy.
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Can the orginal 1982 release read the files created by ACAD2002?
You don't know how many listeners a Radio Station has .... but you do know how many listeners a webcaster has.
Of course the webcaster still has to pay all the normal radio fees as well.
I thought that is exactly what CARP does - It charges non commercial broadcasters 0.07c per song per listener plus with a minimum of $500.
Or how about putting it all over the walls of your house?
No more decorating! Hurrah!
Fair enough, I consider myself debunked.
Would that be the same Americans who spent untold millions on creating a ballpoint pen that can be used in zero gravity?
And the same Russians that used a pencil?
So, Relative to Hitler, Stalin & Polpot he was benign...
Or to put it another way, compared to Hitler, Stalin and PolPot Piochet was of a mild character.
Relative to, say the average man in the street, he was a cold, calculated torturer and killer.
Does anyone have any websites that actully prove this? I've seen a few sites saying "analysts estimate"ing (Lets face it, an analysts job is guesswork) but nothing from an actual Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo source.
Again, I don't belive that the manufacturing cost of any console are actually higher than what the console is sold for, when things like R&D, FAB setup etc are rolled into the costs, thats where I think the "selling at a loss" comes from.
A Pentium 4 1.6 system will set you back about £599, including more memory, more hard drive space and 17" monitor. The X-Box came out what, 3 months ago and at a price of £299.
On the analyst note, a lot seems to point back to "Merrill Lynch analyst Henry Blodget" and him expecting and estimating a $125 loss on each box. And according to MS "A Microsoft representative said Microsoft had not briefed Blodget on the Xbox" so he is making a best guess, and a guess that may be standing on poor foundations.
Is this really true? Do the companies make a loss on the physical box - ie the cost of the componants is more than the retail price of the box?
I assumed they made a loss if they included R&D, ie if a box took 100million to design, until enough profit is made to cover that 100million they are selling at a loss.
So how much do Sony etc, actually get per game sold? Is it pennies or pounds?
I personally think they make a profit on the boxes plus they get thier cut from the games as well.
> Unfortunately, whenever a company tanks, its
..... but good for the employees, you'd generally get x months redundancy if it was too.
> employees are the lowest spot on the totem pole
> as far as debt resolution goes.
Hmm, I'm sure its different in the UK - the first people to get the money are the employees and then the creditors, and finally any customers. Pain if your a customer and sent a piece of kit off to be repaired
Surely it all depends on what the client side does? If all you end up doing is sending character data, co-ordinates etc why should it be particularily difficult?
I know not in the same league, but MUDS have been working fine for years.
Where they discovered beer is full of estrogen - because after 10 pints you talk crap and can't drive.
Both Lotus 123 and its clone AsEasyAs also had "database" functions and could be used as a one. Maybe some people don't need a full blown relational database for what they are doing?
There was so much sarcasm drippting of that post it burnt a hole in my table.
Maybe he has the newest version of SarcasmAware which blocks out all sarcasm, or maybe he is a SarcasmSubscriber that allows filtering the sarcasm.
*Shrug* maybe you should put "NOT" at the end of your saracastic posts (playing air guitar is optional) just to make sure?
There was so much sarcasm dripping off that post it burnt a hole in my table.
Maybe he has that ne SarcasmAware program that blocks all sarcasm, or maybe he paid the SarcasmSubscriber fee which filters it out.
Who knows. Maybe you should have put "NOT" and play and Air Guitar at the end of the sentence like they do in Bill & Ted.
Erm, the original Acadamy Format used in cinemas had an aspect ratio of 1.37:1 - which is pretty close to the 1.33:1 that TVs use.
It wasn't until after the introduction of TVs and the fall of Cinema attendance in the 1950s that the widescreen formats were introduced.
So technically we shouldn't be calling TV's "Narrow Screen" at all, as the American National Television Standards Committee adopted the basic Academy Frame ratio for television when it was introduced and simply rounded off the proportions to whole numbers i.e. 4:3
I wonder, if the earth slowed down enough to make the day 25 hrs long what that hour would be used for?
Do you think employers would try to claim it as a working hour? Me, I want it for my leisure time!
Amazing, I thought whales had the longest gestation period. 910 days, thats nearly 3 years.
:-)
Wow, they live for 246 years too, imagine sperm that will live that long - girls wouldn't even be able to lie on your bed without getting pregnant, makes the giant condoms out of Naked Gun 2.5 seem sensible precautions
Errr, how about a standard war between a high quality standard that gets there first, is expensive and has a major problem - not making greater than 1 hour tapes, I mean media, and a johnny come lately standard that is cheaper, because it's supported by many manufacturers, lower quality but stores more tv programs, I mean data.
Errr I thought the Dot-Com stuff was "Over Hyped" and "over sold" - who does the over hypeing and overselling?
True, a crap product and great marketing can work - but there is now way great marketing and no product of any worth can work, now is there.
True, I don't know what is worse, the Sun (maybe) making stories up, or me in commenting on one :-)
"My friends have been giving me a lot of stick. They are all joking with me about it."
Sad git, what did he expect?
I remember, at Uni, we had to do Data Flow Diagrams for a number of case studies, basically there were 4 steps - Current Physical, Current Logical, Required Logical & Required Physical - the idea being after the analysis and modeling the current system, you could then stream line and show the "clients" what you were doing.
Does UML have any of those types of forms?
> A project estimated at one day should NEVER
> take four days.
Erm, right. Your programmer gets run over - you have to get someone else in to do it, you have to find them, interview them, get referees - now the project has taken over a week.
You may estimate 1 days worth of work - but in reality you have to try and plan for the unexpected, which is what project planning is all about.
Write a list of everything that "could" go wrong, and any bets someone, somewhere has had it happen to thier project. Just a quick 2 minutes thought and I come up with :
1) Personal Problems - Birth, death, illness
2) Transport problems - Train strikes in the UK for example
3) Electrical problesm - Power cuts, workmen cutting power lines
4) Servers dies - backups are off site and will take a day to recover
They may not all happen to the same project, but if they do you will wish you doubled that estimate again.
I completed a Degree, and to tell you the truth we covered a hell of a lot -
;-), once you have Polymorphisim, Abstraction and Inhertance sorted Object Based programming in any language will be relatively easy.
The modules I can remember are Systems Software, Discrete Maths, Information Systems, Software Design, Object Oriented Programming, Computer Graphics, Networks & Communication, Systems Analysis and Design, Formal Methods, Advanced Data Structures, Database Design & Implementation, Real Time OS, Real Time Systems Programming, Distributed Systems, Information Systems, Advanced Systems Software & finally the Dissertation. As outside choices there was a bit of physics and a little chemistry.
What did these cover? A hell of a lot, I think the only area I didn't go down was AI, but a quick rundown of what I rememer x86 Assembler, Ada, Prolog, Miranda, MSDos, Modula-2, SSADM, JSP, Entity Realtionship Diagrams, VMS, C++, Ingress, Access, Unix, Z Notation + Formal Methods, COBOL, Logic Gates, DB4, AutoLisp, TCP-IP, OSI 7 Layer, Cabling Standards and the History of Computing.
Yep, a lot was theory, but lets face it, if you understand linked lists and pointer you can probably code them into any language, if you undertand Sequence, Selection and Iteration, well procedural languages will fall under your sword of knowledge