If it has done nothing in the last 10 yrs, then why don't we just get rid of it.
Especially since privatization of military jobs in Iraq worked so so well.
I think it is time for an ask Slashdot. It appears that Firefox developers are going to ignore users requests to stop this numbering and release scheme. Which leaves a number of corporate and general web developers in a lurch.
I used to work for a web development company and it was always a pain to keep or get web-sites working with various versions of browsers.
With Chrome I would have told customers , "Hey, if it happens to works with Chrome that's just great, but we can't continually test against new versions of Chrome".
Now I work for a medium size company and we have limited the number of browsers our internal web interface will work with. Currently it is with Firefox. But now it appears that we are going to have to move away from Firefox. I hate to go back to IE but it appears that is where we are heading.
Sorry Firefox, but we can't just keep regression testing at your whim.
So maybe it is time for someone to ask, what is the recommended browser for corporate use?
If they want a high version number they can just make the next release version 100.
The reason chrome is not being adopted significantly in the enterprise is that it has this continual spin of version numbers.
I don't know what google is thinking, but as far as enterprise goes it is going to be difficult to adopt them also for.
So it appears that we are now back to IE.
I would also add that maybe it is a good time to start thinking about a different product line similar to RHEL and Ubuntu, where there is a version for business users and a version for corporate users.
I'd also like to add that if you would like to see an example of my theory, you should look at OpenOffice, I run into people all the time who don't know about it. We have twice looked at trying to use OpenOffice but have not been able to because their development seems to be personal user centric and they don't seem to answer corporate usage issues.
Shoot , they don't have to bribe anyone here. All they have to do is put on a hard hat and have a clip board and say they need to check the phone and data lines. They will let them right in.
I agree with your accessment .
This was a long ambling caffienated rambling, about too much data to handle. To some degree I think it does a disservice when the author doesn't state up front in what context he prescribes for this data agglomeration. RDBMS is not going away anytime soon. There are too many people who are jumping on this as a hot topic and start speaking/thinking metaphorically about data, when they have very little information about true data and understanding of relationships.
It's kind of like learning mathematical integration without knowing how to add and multiply.
There are many , many applications where you need a distinct and verifiable/structured data source.
It would be nice if he went into maybe doing away with prescriptive schema that is MS Office.
no announcing it to the world was smart. It is the first step in ending this crap.
It tells more people what the heck is going on.
Along with patent trolls there are copyright trolls and the first step to bringing it to an end is to start telling the general public about it. He has the lawyers. If he gets a bunch of patent trolls it will make for a bigger and better article the next time.
The ones who are trolling already know that companies such as Red Hat are fair game. It's not news to them. But apparently it is news to people like you.
So your answer is to stay in a dark corner and hope they don't find you? Once they have found you , the best course of action is to start telling people as loudly and as often as you can.
As for maximizing value, he has probably realized that they are continually opening up and sucking the companies blood. You can continue to bleed or look for help. The legal system is for shit in this situation, so you have to start looking for other solutions.
Someone has already suggested Tannenbaum's book. "Computer Networks"
I worked for 3 years in a MS shop supporting MS systems for clients, I attended classes and earned my MSCE. All of the classes which I took for MS were centered around 'go to this menu' 'click this' 'entered this'. Yes I could set up networks, VPN's, servers, but I didn't really start learning the nuts and bolts until I started working for a company that supported Linux servers.
Once you understand the basics from Tannenbaum's book then you might go to 'Wireshark Network Analysis' by Laura Chappell.
If you have time go to 'Linux Firewalls' I used Ziegler's book, but there are a number of sources. On your network you may want to try and setup a muilti-homed linux system protecting a linux system. You can learn a lot about how a computer handles packets by setting up a server with iptables and adjusting it to allow certain packets or to allow only certain services. Also look at studying Computer security and security tools.
Switches, You should look for switches that will allow you to monitor ports on the switch. If you only have a 100 computers on your network they may not allow you to budget for a network analyst to come in and analyze your network if there is a problem.
Look for any tools, such as Snort or installing a computer which can tap into your internet traffic, that will give you a raw eye onto what is happening on the network. Nothing is worse than having a network problem with multiple computers on the network and being blind.
You will still get to use your programming skills, there are few programs which offer exactly what you want or need to monitor your network and your computer systems. Eventually once you know more about what you want, then you can take results from other programs and craft your own system with reporting tools.
To prepare you for this, imagine you have just been given a new position within the company where the previous programmer has left the company. You have an application which he has built up and put into production over the last five years. You are now in charge and there are no comments on the code. Your first ethernet card failure will be like your first bug. Same for switches. No one told you they could fail like that. Welcome to Hell.
I would tend to agree with this, but no one is saying that arbitration is absolutly binding.
I went to arbitration and really thought I was going to get screwed. A bunch of things happened with my first attorney, i didn't like and later found out there was a whole lot I didn't like about him. But arbitration had been settled upon and the other side had picked the arbitrator and I found out the other sides firm had used that arbitrator on several occassions. I thought I was royally screwed.
Arbitration doesn't mean you can't go to court, it means you are going to an arbitrator to reach a settlement. If you don't agree with the arbitrator you had better damn well have good cause to go to court, because a judge is not going to look to kindly on it.
But the arbitrator came in there and started spouting off stuff for the other atttorney about how much I deserved. My attorney just looked at him and said you want me to pull out the presedence for that, How about we can go over the actual law, I have it marked in that book right there. Because you don't have a legal leg to stand on and we will take this to court if you think we are going to agree to that. That happened 2 more times. My attorney told me that yeah it's really really bad if you go to a judge without a settlement. But it's really really bad for the other side if you can go to the judge and show that the arbitrator and the other opposing attorney were not respecting the law during the arbitration hearing. He told me I woudl probably get everything I wanted plus some if we went to court. In this case I would have wanted a complete third party audit of their books which I couldn't afford, but the court may have given me based on what was going on in the arbitration hearing. We found enough descrepancies in the book keeping at the hearing to make them not want to go to court. When it gets to a hearing it isn't like a financial audit, where you can say "oh yeah well let me go back and get that number for you. in a couple of days".
All I'm saying is that arbitration isn't a done deal, it isn't like they don't or can't respect the law and precedence. But as with court, it depends on who your lawyer is.
So it was the Republican party that pushed for the civil rights in the 60;s and lost the vote in the south.
Never knew that.
guess my history books had it all wrong about Johnson being a Democrat. And democrats controlling both the house and senate for most of the 60's.
because having a wrecked car and lhaving a degenerative heart disease are completly different.
Since you have this all worked out and have simplistically figured it out, maybe you can tell us why health costs in the US are twice that per capita compared to UK and Canada.
Can you tell me why company A and company B pay $6000 per year/employee to the same medical insurance provider and company A has a $1000 deductible company B has $300 . Company A pays 5 times as much for lab tests. Company B has dental and medical for the same price. Company A doesn't reach full coverage until $125,000 whereas company B employee reaches it at $75,000? I can tell you why, Company B has 8 times as many employees..
The above is a real world example. So where do you think a person working for neither company A or company B, will be? Self employed, what do you think they get? I have never heard of one that paid $6000 per year.
So if they pass a national law that mandates health insurance, How many people do you think will find that there job just became a contract postion?
So which companies are more likely to deny you a procedure?
It's one thing if state farm says they aren't going to replace your alternator with a new one. You can stop and argue with them about that. But what if (Aetna, United Health, Blue Cross....) denies you a bone marrow transplant or a heart transplant. Which companies are doing this and how often? What if it's for your spouse or child? Do you know the insurance providers track record before you go to work for someone? Its so transparent, don't you think you should be able to find that answer. During a congressional hearing a CEO of an insurance company couldn't provide that information.
Auto insurance is not the same as Health Insurance.
.. glad you showed up.
At my company you cannot buy Dells. After 5 orders which had 2 to 5 PC's, every order was screwed up in some way. DOA, wrong operating system, no operating system (yes that last is true).
On our second order from HP we got a computer in and looked at the form factor and called them up and said we would happy with the fan placement. They took it back. Put the RMA tag on it and UPS came by and picked it up.
I realize that these scientists think they have found oil at the bottom of the Gulf, but let me assure you that it is nothing but wine from fermented dinosaurs. Nothing to see , move along.
I think you could spend a lot of years working on Linux and not have a clue what to do on a Unix system and vice versa.
BSD not so much.
But the difference between Linux, BSD and Unix is much smaller than wtth Windows and either of these operating systems.
I have to deal with Windows Admins daily who think the only way to fix a computer is to reboot it. yeah, just keep rebooting that DNS server will just start up.
but like with any server, in some cases rebooting is the last thing you want to do.
I did admin an exchange server a long while back an inherited the advice if it goes down reboot it first. About once a month I'd reboot it. Heck we had people in the office who would just go in and reboot the system just because they hadn't gotten an email that day.
When we were first starting out we didn't have a proper server room, one night a VP decided we were wasting a bunch of electricity and he decided to turn off all the computers that weren't being used. Shut down all file shares, backup systems , mail and DNS, authentication, the whole damn lot. I'm sure he was walking out to the parking lot thinking he was saving us mega bucks that night.
What is more puzzling is what the existence of two camps creating such huge codebases for a fundamental application type says about the whole state of open source development at this time. It clearly isn't the idealistic world it tries to present itself as.
We have also seen the alternative and it does not lead us to Utopia or Nirvana either.
I don't see what idealisms the author is getting at. Did the author think that Open Source was an extension of some communist ideology and hence marked a formation of Utopia for all?
I agree with the rest of your post.
But Oracle now owns Sun, but Google could throw in with Libre Office. The problem with that it would compete with their cloud office suite.
But basically Google could increase market share by paying phone providers to use Android. If they had enough market share and did whatever it took to keep people happy, then Microsoft, Apple and Oracle could be perceived as evil for taking away snowflakes neat PDA.
This isn't like the argument for patents on business operating systems. Where businesses could be mugged by patent lawyers, consumers don't care about this legal crap, they just want their games, music and individuality on their phone. Look at the number of people who went from G1 to Nexus.
So if MS and Apple prevail and snowflake loses his nice PDA, then all the MS and Apple people are going to smirk and say see you should have joined our club. Then they will smile and look for any alternative to MS or Apple everywhere and anywhere, even in business. So Google could force MS, Apple and Oracle into a PR nightmare. (To be successful , they can't just to it, they have to subtly advertise that they are doing it)
If Google would take on the software is patentable paradigm and prevail they would be hero's, not only in the consumer markets but the business markets.
I also think you are right in that Google could find some databases and apps in Open source community to bolster and really put a serious crimp on Oracle and MS. I think that Apple would suffer mostly from software is patentable.
No they don't. All they have to do is satisfy the investors and board if there is one. They can completely ignore any other forms of shares given to employees.
This is not legal tender and there is no guarantee of value.
I got this information from a CFO who specializes in taking companies public. I had asked him about the share options which the company had offered me. They had asked me to exercise my options. He told me that no matter what price they quoted, they were worth no more than the integrity and honesty of the people who issued them.
So the CEO can say they are worth $5 dollars, the investors/board can say they are worth nothing. In privately held companies the board is usually made up of investors or representatives of investors. They are usually only interested in protecting investors shares.
Company A buys Company B, they pay 100 million. Investor shares were purchased at 0.50 cents a share and there were a 100 million shares. The investors/board decides that each investor share is worth $1. So there is no money left for common shares.
There is nothing illegal about this. Unless there is a document that specifically outlines the payout for common shares and or preferred shares, these shares can very easily have no value.
Any verbal insinuation of the value of these stocks means nothing.
Here is a really cute kicker though. If there is a legal document that values the shares at $5 per share (They can just say they thought it was going to be $5 per share, they can later say we just made that number up). But if the document says the current value of the shares is $5 per share and you then exercise options on those shares at $1 per share, you then have to pay taxes on the $4.00 . Even though you could not sell those shares. State of California is real sticklers about this stuff. But you have to pay Uncle Sam anyway.
So at the time of sale they can re-evaluate those common shares and say they are worth nothing. So you lost your 10 cents, plus the money you paid in taxes.
Typically common shares are issued with voting rights. But if there are not enough common shares in existence, then holders votes,pretty much count for nothing.
It's fairly common to see shares given out willy nilly within a company and they can stipulate that a common share is worth 1 vote and an investor share is worth 25 votes.
I bet most people who were issued stocks in a private company have never known what the pay rate was going to be for common shares or knew if they had voting rights or got to see the results of any financial audits of the company.
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If it has done nothing in the last 10 yrs, then why don't we just get rid of it. Especially since privatization of military jobs in Iraq worked so so well.
You were one of them special kids in school weren't you. That is some really stupid stuff you just said and I hope you're high or something.
What color is it?
I think it is time for an ask Slashdot. It appears that Firefox developers are going to ignore users requests to stop this numbering and release scheme. Which leaves a number of corporate and general web developers in a lurch.
I used to work for a web development company and it was always a pain to keep or get web-sites working with various versions of browsers.
With Chrome I would have told customers , "Hey, if it happens to works with Chrome that's just great, but we can't continually test against new versions of Chrome".
Now I work for a medium size company and we have limited the number of browsers our internal web interface will work with. Currently it is with Firefox. But now it appears that we are going to have to move away from Firefox. I hate to go back to IE but it appears that is where we are heading.
Sorry Firefox, but we can't just keep regression testing at your whim.
So maybe it is time for someone to ask, what is the recommended browser for corporate use?
I think we should add some politicians also.
If they want a high version number they can just make the next release version 100.
The reason chrome is not being adopted significantly in the enterprise is that it has this continual spin of version numbers.
I don't know what google is thinking, but as far as enterprise goes it is going to be difficult to adopt them also for.
So it appears that we are now back to IE.
I would also add that maybe it is a good time to start thinking about a different product line similar to RHEL and Ubuntu, where there is a version for business users and a version for corporate users. I'd also like to add that if you would like to see an example of my theory, you should look at OpenOffice, I run into people all the time who don't know about it. We have twice looked at trying to use OpenOffice but have not been able to because their development seems to be personal user centric and they don't seem to answer corporate usage issues.
Shoot , they don't have to bribe anyone here. All they have to do is put on a hard hat and have a clip board and say they need to check the phone and data lines. They will let them right in.
I agree with your accessment .
This was a long ambling caffienated rambling, about too much data to handle. To some degree I think it does a disservice when the author doesn't state up front in what context he prescribes for this data agglomeration. RDBMS is not going away anytime soon. There are too many people who are jumping on this as a hot topic and start speaking/thinking metaphorically about data, when they have very little information about true data and understanding of relationships.
It's kind of like learning mathematical integration without knowing how to add and multiply.
There are many , many applications where you need a distinct and verifiable/structured data source.
It would be nice if he went into maybe doing away with prescriptive schema that is MS Office.
no announcing it to the world was smart. It is the first step in ending this crap.
It tells more people what the heck is going on.
Along with patent trolls there are copyright trolls and the first step to bringing it to an end is to start telling the general public about it. He has the lawyers. If he gets a bunch of patent trolls it will make for a bigger and better article the next time.
The ones who are trolling already know that companies such as Red Hat are fair game. It's not news to them. But apparently it is news to people like you.
So your answer is to stay in a dark corner and hope they don't find you? Once they have found you , the best course of action is to start telling people as loudly and as often as you can.
As for maximizing value, he has probably realized that they are continually opening up and sucking the companies blood. You can continue to bleed or look for help. The legal system is for shit in this situation, so you have to start looking for other solutions.
Someone has already suggested Tannenbaum's book. "Computer Networks"
I worked for 3 years in a MS shop supporting MS systems for clients, I attended classes and earned my MSCE. All of the classes which I took for MS were centered around 'go to this menu' 'click this' 'entered this'. Yes I could set up networks, VPN's, servers, but I didn't really start learning the nuts and bolts until I started working for a company that supported Linux servers.
Once you understand the basics from Tannenbaum's book then you might go to 'Wireshark Network Analysis' by Laura Chappell.
If you have time go to 'Linux Firewalls' I used Ziegler's book, but there are a number of sources. On your network you may want to try and setup a muilti-homed linux system protecting a linux system. You can learn a lot about how a computer handles packets by setting up a server with iptables and adjusting it to allow certain packets or to allow only certain services. Also look at studying Computer security and security tools.
Switches, You should look for switches that will allow you to monitor ports on the switch. If you only have a 100 computers on your network they may not allow you to budget for a network analyst to come in and analyze your network if there is a problem.
Look for any tools, such as Snort or installing a computer which can tap into your internet traffic, that will give you a raw eye onto what is happening on the network. Nothing is worse than having a network problem with multiple computers on the network and being blind.
You will still get to use your programming skills, there are few programs which offer exactly what you want or need to monitor your network and your computer systems. Eventually once you know more about what you want, then you can take results from other programs and craft your own system with reporting tools.
To prepare you for this, imagine you have just been given a new position within the company where the previous programmer has left the company. You have an application which he has built up and put into production over the last five years. You are now in charge and there are no comments on the code. Your first ethernet card failure will be like your first bug. Same for switches. No one told you they could fail like that. Welcome to Hell.
I would tend to agree with this, but no one is saying that arbitration is absolutly binding.
I went to arbitration and really thought I was going to get screwed. A bunch of things happened with my first attorney, i didn't like and later found out there was a whole lot I didn't like about him. But arbitration had been settled upon and the other side had picked the arbitrator and I found out the other sides firm had used that arbitrator on several occassions. I thought I was royally screwed.
Arbitration doesn't mean you can't go to court, it means you are going to an arbitrator to reach a settlement. If you don't agree with the arbitrator you had better damn well have good cause to go to court, because a judge is not going to look to kindly on it.
But the arbitrator came in there and started spouting off stuff for the other atttorney about how much I deserved. My attorney just looked at him and said you want me to pull out the presedence for that, How about we can go over the actual law, I have it marked in that book right there. Because you don't have a legal leg to stand on and we will take this to court if you think we are going to agree to that. That happened 2 more times. My attorney told me that yeah it's really really bad if you go to a judge without a settlement. But it's really really bad for the other side if you can go to the judge and show that the arbitrator and the other opposing attorney were not respecting the law during the arbitration hearing. He told me I woudl probably get everything I wanted plus some if we went to court. In this case I would have wanted a complete third party audit of their books which I couldn't afford, but the court may have given me based on what was going on in the arbitration hearing. We found enough descrepancies in the book keeping at the hearing to make them not want to go to court. When it gets to a hearing it isn't like a financial audit, where you can say "oh yeah well let me go back and get that number for you. in a couple of days".
All I'm saying is that arbitration isn't a done deal, it isn't like they don't or can't respect the law and precedence. But as with court, it depends on who your lawyer is.
So it was the Republican party that pushed for the civil rights in the 60;s and lost the vote in the south.
Never knew that.
guess my history books had it all wrong about Johnson being a Democrat. And democrats controlling both the house and senate for most of the 60's.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html
Well at least i can blame the Republicans for Vietnam.
because having a wrecked car and lhaving a degenerative heart disease are completly different.
Since you have this all worked out and have simplistically figured it out, maybe you can tell us why health costs in the US are twice that per capita compared to UK and Canada.
Can you tell me why company A and company B pay $6000 per year/employee to the same medical insurance provider and company A has a $1000 deductible company B has $300 . Company A pays 5 times as much for lab tests. Company B has dental and medical for the same price. Company A doesn't reach full coverage until $125,000 whereas company B employee reaches it at $75,000? I can tell you why, Company B has 8 times as many employees..
The above is a real world example. So where do you think a person working for neither company A or company B, will be? Self employed, what do you think they get? I have never heard of one that paid $6000 per year.
So if they pass a national law that mandates health insurance, How many people do you think will find that there job just became a contract postion?
So which companies are more likely to deny you a procedure?
It's one thing if state farm says they aren't going to replace your alternator with a new one. You can stop and argue with them about that. But what if (Aetna, United Health, Blue Cross....) denies you a bone marrow transplant or a heart transplant. Which companies are doing this and how often? What if it's for your spouse or child? Do you know the insurance providers track record before you go to work for someone? Its so transparent, don't you think you should be able to find that answer. During a congressional hearing a CEO of an insurance company couldn't provide that information.
Auto insurance is not the same as Health Insurance.
If they would only give the award once to someone who just documented how programs work. They should have an award for that.
.. glad you showed up.
At my company you cannot buy Dells. After 5 orders which had 2 to 5 PC's, every order was screwed up in some way. DOA, wrong operating system, no operating system (yes that last is true).
On our second order from HP we got a computer in and looked at the form factor and called them up and said we would happy with the fan placement. They took it back. Put the RMA tag on it and UPS came by and picked it up.
Darwin again.
I realize that these scientists think they have found oil at the bottom of the Gulf, but let me assure you that it is nothing but wine from fermented dinosaurs. Nothing to see , move along.
I think you could spend a lot of years working on Linux and not have a clue what to do on a Unix system and vice versa.
BSD not so much.
But the difference between Linux, BSD and Unix is much smaller than wtth Windows and either of these operating systems.
I have to deal with Windows Admins daily who think the only way to fix a computer is to reboot it. yeah, just keep rebooting that DNS server will just start up. but like with any server, in some cases rebooting is the last thing you want to do.
I did admin an exchange server a long while back an inherited the advice if it goes down reboot it first. About once a month I'd reboot it. Heck we had people in the office who would just go in and reboot the system just because they hadn't gotten an email that day.
When we were first starting out we didn't have a proper server room, one night a VP decided we were wasting a bunch of electricity and he decided to turn off all the computers that weren't being used. Shut down all file shares, backup systems , mail and DNS, authentication, the whole damn lot. I'm sure he was walking out to the parking lot thinking he was saving us mega bucks that night.
These could be used to follow around truant kids and determine whether they are going to school or not.
I would say that the scarier part of this, is that adults think that this is something normal and acceptable now.
What is more puzzling is what the existence of two camps creating such huge codebases for a fundamental application type says about the whole state of open source development at this time. It clearly isn't the idealistic world it tries to present itself as.
We have also seen the alternative and it does not lead us to Utopia or Nirvana either.
I don't see what idealisms the author is getting at. Did the author think that Open Source was an extension of some communist ideology and hence marked a formation of Utopia for all?
I agree with the rest of your post.
But Oracle now owns Sun, but Google could throw in with Libre Office. The problem with that it would compete with their cloud office suite.
But basically Google could increase market share by paying phone providers to use Android. If they had enough market share and did whatever it took to keep people happy, then Microsoft, Apple and Oracle could be perceived as evil for taking away snowflakes neat PDA.
This isn't like the argument for patents on business operating systems. Where businesses could be mugged by patent lawyers, consumers don't care about this legal crap, they just want their games, music and individuality on their phone. Look at the number of people who went from G1 to Nexus.
So if MS and Apple prevail and snowflake loses his nice PDA, then all the MS and Apple people are going to smirk and say see you should have joined our club. Then they will smile and look for any alternative to MS or Apple everywhere and anywhere, even in business. So Google could force MS, Apple and Oracle into a PR nightmare. (To be successful , they can't just to it, they have to subtly advertise that they are doing it)
If Google would take on the software is patentable paradigm and prevail they would be hero's, not only in the consumer markets but the business markets.
I also think you are right in that Google could find some databases and apps in Open source community to bolster and really put a serious crimp on Oracle and MS. I think that Apple would suffer mostly from software is patentable.
No they don't. All they have to do is satisfy the investors and board if there is one. They can completely ignore any other forms of shares given to employees. This is not legal tender and there is no guarantee of value.
,pretty much count for nothing.
I got this information from a CFO who specializes in taking companies public. I had asked him about the share options which the company had offered me. They had asked me to exercise my options. He told me that no matter what price they quoted, they were worth no more than the integrity and honesty of the people who issued them.
So the CEO can say they are worth $5 dollars, the investors/board can say they are worth nothing. In privately held companies the board is usually made up of investors or representatives of investors. They are usually only interested in protecting investors shares.
Company A buys Company B, they pay 100 million. Investor shares were purchased at 0.50 cents a share and there were a 100 million shares. The investors/board decides that each investor share is worth $1. So there is no money left for common shares.
There is nothing illegal about this. Unless there is a document that specifically outlines the payout for common shares and or preferred shares, these shares can very easily have no value.
Any verbal insinuation of the value of these stocks means nothing.
Here is a really cute kicker though. If there is a legal document that values the shares at $5 per share (They can just say they thought it was going to be $5 per share, they can later say we just made that number up). But if the document says the current value of the shares is $5 per share and you then exercise options on those shares at $1 per share, you then have to pay taxes on the $4.00 . Even though you could not sell those shares. State of California is real sticklers about this stuff. But you have to pay Uncle Sam anyway.
So at the time of sale they can re-evaluate those common shares and say they are worth nothing. So you lost your 10 cents, plus the money you paid in taxes.
Typically common shares are issued with voting rights. But if there are not enough common shares in existence, then holders votes
It's fairly common to see shares given out willy nilly within a company and they can stipulate that a common share is worth 1 vote and an investor share is worth 25 votes.
I bet most people who were issued stocks in a private company have never known what the pay rate was going to be for common shares or knew if they had voting rights or got to see the results of any financial audits of the company.
Being AC and all, I can't tell if you are female or not. Could you please show us your tits?