The following article gives more information and indicates that something indeed has been found.
"Something" does not equal "722 foot tall pyramid."
What makes this guy a nut job is that a)he has formulated his conclusions a priori and declared them as likely fact, b)his conclusions are nutty.
Has he found "something"? Quite possibly, but if a tunnel in a hill equals pyramid than Europe is already known to be littered with them. Newgrange, for instance.
The Debian community, IMHO, is the model for everything else.
We all know that Linux is nothing but community, but that isn't the issue at hand. The issue at hand is just what role does community play in the field of commercial distros such as Red Hat and SuSe.
Get thee hence and read the actual article. It really isn't all that bad. You'll find that Ubuntu is brought up rather than Debian because Ubuntu is an attempt to make a commercially viable distro on the Debian model of community; and not just "ripping off" its code base for profit.
This puts it in an entirely different catagory from either the true community supported distros such as Debian and the purely commercial distros such as Linspire. It seeks, and at the moment largely defines, the middle ground between the community and the commercial corporation. The very ground the article is addressing as its point of interest.
Fedora, OpenSuSE and Freespire are essentially attempts to "reverse engineer" an Ubuntu type of community from a corporate culture. To bring "community" on board and retain relevance in the community drivin Linux world. They cannot attempt to reverse engineer a Debian type of community in the strict sense because they are all commercial distributions.
Although I tend to detest its use in the IT field, the phrase "impedence mismatch" comes to mind.
If it makes you feel any better Debian isn't specifically mentioned because Debian is the meta concept that the article stands upon. It is assumed as the natural state of things; and that we all share that assumption.
No. The fundamental is the natural resonant tone, i.e. the note that would sound if the pipe were part of an organ. In this case G. The notes of the C chord (other than the low G) are overtones, part of the harmonic series of the G.
The root note of bugle calls is C, because you are playing "crossed," i.e. using some note other than the fundamental as the root note of your scale (this is also what blues harmonic players do, playing in E pentatonic with a harmonica pitched in G diatonic. Irish pennywhistle players will play a whistle pitched in D to play in G, requiring partial holing to produce the C natural, giving a somewhat mournful sound to the tune).
In band parlance the bugle is a C instrument ( i.e. notated in C, or "concert pitch"), but pitched in G. This odd bit of nomenclature comes about because modern music theory is entirely based on the chromatic scale, but the bugle/whistle/etc are fundamentally diatonic instruments. The relevant theory for such is the Pythagorian.
And don't get me started on how modern theory has entirely fucked up the concept of modes.
I'm not sure 'planting an isolated outpost of the first world economy inside a third world economy' is the right metaphor or explanation
Go to Cordoba and then drive about 100 miles out of the city. Cordoba looks like a first world city, because it is a first world city. 100 miles out you'd be hard pressed to even recognize it as the same country. It's not merely the difference between city and urban settings, it's a completely different world.
This concept, though, appears difficult for many Americans to comprehend. ..
It is not a new difficulty. Thoreau bemoaned the fact that he could not get people to understand that they would be better off staying in Concord, rather than going to Boston for "higher wages," because a dollar in Concord was worth several times what it was in Boston.
Those who believe that the answer to globalization is paying those in the third world an American wage simply do not comprehend the issues and that the end result is massive social and economic distruption and increased poverty. Anyone who wants to see this as a fact only need visit Mexico City or Rio de Janeiro. The shanty towns of millions are the direct result of planting an isolated outpost of the first world economy inside a third world economy.
A "dollar" is what a dollar buys. It has no fixed value.
In third world economies a "dime" may well be "ten bucks," so long as you stick within the local economy for food, clothing and shelter. Living is actually quite cheap, which is why so many people from the first world choose to vacation/retire to the third. You may well find you can live, and live well, for a year for less than what it would cost you to spend two weeks at Disney/land/world/universe/whatever.
The rub is that things from outside the local economy, imports, are priced at what a "dollar" is worth where they are made, and can thus be beyond the means of someone who would otherwise be considered middle class. Things like a simple radio or portable television may require the investment of an entire community which otherwise lacks nothing needed for sustaining a good life.
One can see the same affect in the first world when comparing rural vs. urban living. I turned down $60k/yr in Manhatten awhile ago, because $60k in Manhatten cannot buy me what I could get working a cruddy retail job upstate.
When comparing disparate economies you cannot think in terms of dollars. You have think in terms of hours per pound of rice/place to sleep. When you do this you may find that lower wages are often greater wealth. Money is not wealth. It is an abstraction. What your money buys you is wealth. The "stuff" itself.
This seems like a really expensive way to prove that both groups just need to exercise more...
Really. Dr. Kenneth Cooper (Dr. Cooper Bio) of the Air Force nailed this one more than 40 years ago.
For people interested in the simple version of how exercise works physiologically I recommend the Covert Baily (M.S. in Biochemistry from MIT) materials. The book Fit or Fat is good, but the video series is not to be missed. Maybe your library has copies. Mine does. Covert is a natural performer and you'll have more fun looking at diagrams of molecules than you thought possible.
It's pretty easy to study the effects of exercise on people, seniors or not, in one G. Just build a simulation of Earth. All we need is budget approval.
While one should be skeptical that pressures as great as 12.50G let alone 20.00G would ever be experienced during space travel (space being weightless. ..
How do you suppose one gets to space?
And of course space is weightless. Space is just geometry. It is truely massless. D'oh!
Any idiot could learn how to play Taps with a little bit of effort.
I could teach just about any idiot to play the opening bars of the Moonlight Sonata in an hour or less.
Doesn't mean I'd like to spend much time listening to them afterwards. There's a huge difference between working out the notes and being able to give a proper performance.
That difference consists of many hours of something we call "practice."
The very phrase I have quoted most often around these parts.
I find that in itself rather fitting with the whole Iraq war thing.
The very reason I quote it so often.
Reading on the start of the 3rd Punic War rings the Deja Vu bell.
All over again. Santayana had something to say about that.
KFG
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I played trumpet. The bugle is pretty much the same thing, minus the valves.
I play signaling trumpet, a four foot long natural trumpet. The difference between a bugle and a trumpet is that the bugle is conical in section, having developed from a true horn (like, from the head of a cow) though the post horn (that round thing you see in period movies or hanging from the walls of "theme" restaurants). The closest modern orchestral relative of the bugle is the cornet, which is a valved version of the post horn, as is the, ummmm, horn ("French" Horn to you).
The restriction isn't anything like "one octave". It's more like "two notes per octave".
Well, three actually. The fundamental/root, fourth and sixth. Add the octave and you've got four notes to play with in a one octave range. Buy playing "crossed" this gives a low note below root and a major chord a fourth up from the fundamental. American military trumpets are pitched in G and if you go to a keyboard and pick out Taps you'll find that consists simply of a G below C root and a C chord played in third inversion.
Most bugle calls stick to a one octave range, but the practical range of the instrument is two octaves, although some can push it a bit further. More power to them.
The real suprise would be if this works any better in the USA than in the Deutsche Demokratische Republik.
It cannot possibly work as claimed. Anyone armed with a few facts and just enough brain cells to rub them together can figure that out in a just a few minutes.
It can, however, work as designed. The design is the scary part.
This type of information would be ideal for the profling of american citizens.
This is what they are already doing. It is the core of the wiretapping issue that who is of interest is determined by a computer generated profile. Indeed, this is one of the things being cited as a defense of the wiretapping (because no human being looks at what's going on and makes a decision until the computer goes "Ping!").
We don't, of course, know what parameters are used by the computer to decide who is "of interest," and if they told you they'd have to shoot you, but we do know that three degrees of seperation from someone else "of interest" is an investigatory paramater.
Three degrees. That means that every fundamental particle in the universe can be declared "of interest" at will already.
All this law would do is allow the spooks to troll leisurely, instead of having to actually intercept the data themselves. Your profile already exists, it just needs more "Innnnnnnnnnpput! Johnny Five alive!"
. ..the best commercial i've seen recently has got to be the caveman one.
And yet this commercial is a complete failure, because you called it the "caveman one."
MAKE THE COMMERCIAL ABOUT THE PRODUCT/SERVICE YOU ARE TRYING TO SELL
Old style ad:
"Cars"
Post WWII ad:
"Our car is better because it has an extra chrome rimmed hole in the fender"
Modern ad:
"I'm a cute kid. If I go hungry it's going to be all your fault, because you didn't buy our car. Did you notice that I'm cute?"
Maybe "ads" don't need to be more interesting. Maybe they just need to be ads, not blatent attempts at manipulation so bleeding obvious and pathetic that even the morons feel insulted.
I've been watching the post modern attempts at being "interesting" for the past few days. Mostly I react by thinking, "Jesus Christ! When did they start giving toad lickers money to produce commercials?"
I can't think of a specific ads or product as an example though, which just goes to show you how effective the whole thing is.
. ..OR MAKE IT REALLY GODDAMN FUNNY
Which is usually also the case for really goddamn funny ads. You tend to remember the joke, but not the product. See comment about the "caveman one" above. What the advertiser needs is for you to say "The (insert scuzbum here) one with the cavemen."
. ..don't like it? go fuck yourself
I assume this is the statement that garnered you a flamebait mod, and yet that's the gist of it. They really need to come to grips with the fact that advertising can ultimately only inform about the product, and perhaps generate some good will, not force a purchase, so stop trying.
Also, while it may sound dumb to us, you know that they focus-tested the hell out of it in all three territories and, at the very least, it's not completely repellent to those focus groups.
So long as he does not claim they are Sony, only the same as Sony, this is a legal way to make money, and a perfectly good one.
How do you think the "designer" jean and entire generic products market works, and, for that matter, most of the electronics gear market. See the Netgear backdoor scandal.
In some special cases it's even legal to use a "false" label. I hold in my hand a "Stradivarius" violin, dated 1736. The label also bears the notation "Made in Germany" (circa 1936).
So long as that "Made in Germany" is on the label it's perfectly legal and millions of such violins are sold around the world. It's even legal to buy violins built in China, finish them in the US, and label them "Made in USA," so long as sufficient US labor went into the finishing work.
Of course Stradivarius isn't around to sue anymore, but the mere threat of potential lawsuit isn't evidence of any actual laws broken, although it is a business risk to take into account.
There are a lot of "counterfieting" operations where the work involved makes you wonder why they didn't go legit.
The Secret Service often wonders the same thing, noting that in some cases the counterfieters could have "made" more money with the same effort through some legal practice.
I think the prime example in their collection of oddities is a hand drawn hundred dollar bill. Hand drawn so well that the artist got away with it, the bill passed and was only picked up at a bank check.
Think of the skill and time that went into that enterprise and how it might otherwise have been used for legal profit.
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What's blockbuster got to top that?
Coupla decades of building brand recognition and customer base?
KFG
The following article gives more information and indicates that something indeed has been found.
"Something" does not equal "722 foot tall pyramid."
What makes this guy a nut job is that a)he has formulated his conclusions a priori and declared them as likely fact, b)his conclusions are nutty.
Has he found "something"? Quite possibly, but if a tunnel in a hill equals pyramid than Europe is already known to be littered with them. Newgrange, for instance.
KFG
Why yes, it is morning where I am, and yes, I am drinking a cup of coffee.
I'd recommend sending $1.00 to paypal@grub.net.
Has it turned me into a "Yes Man"?
Yeah. Riiiiiiiiiight!
KFG
The Debian community, IMHO, is the model for everything else.
We all know that Linux is nothing but community, but that isn't the issue at hand. The issue at hand is just what role does community play in the field of commercial distros such as Red Hat and SuSe.
Get thee hence and read the actual article. It really isn't all that bad. You'll find that Ubuntu is brought up rather than Debian because Ubuntu is an attempt to make a commercially viable distro on the Debian model of community; and not just "ripping off" its code base for profit.
This puts it in an entirely different catagory from either the true community supported distros such as Debian and the purely commercial distros such as Linspire. It seeks, and at the moment largely defines, the middle ground between the community and the commercial corporation. The very ground the article is addressing as its point of interest.
Fedora, OpenSuSE and Freespire are essentially attempts to "reverse engineer" an Ubuntu type of community from a corporate culture. To bring "community" on board and retain relevance in the community drivin Linux world. They cannot attempt to reverse engineer a Debian type of community in the strict sense because they are all commercial distributions.
Although I tend to detest its use in the IT field, the phrase "impedence mismatch" comes to mind.
If it makes you feel any better Debian isn't specifically mentioned because Debian is the meta concept that the article stands upon. It is assumed as the natural state of things; and that we all share that assumption.
KFG
Ok, in the above you can find a few justified quibbles, but, ummmmmmm, I knew that.
KFG
. . .its fundamental is C, not G.
No. The fundamental is the natural resonant tone, i.e. the note that would sound if the pipe were part of an organ. In this case G. The notes of the C chord (other than the low G) are overtones, part of the harmonic series of the G.
The root note of bugle calls is C, because you are playing "crossed," i.e. using some note other than the fundamental as the root note of your scale (this is also what blues harmonic players do, playing in E pentatonic with a harmonica pitched in G diatonic. Irish pennywhistle players will play a whistle pitched in D to play in G, requiring partial holing to produce the C natural, giving a somewhat mournful sound to the tune).
In band parlance the bugle is a C instrument ( i.e. notated in C, or "concert pitch"), but pitched in G. This odd bit of nomenclature comes about because modern music theory is entirely based on the chromatic scale, but the bugle/whistle/etc are fundamentally diatonic instruments. The relevant theory for such is the Pythagorian.
And don't get me started on how modern theory has entirely fucked up the concept of modes.
KFG
I'm not sure 'planting an isolated outpost of the first world economy inside a third world economy' is the right metaphor or explanation
Go to Cordoba and then drive about 100 miles out of the city. Cordoba looks like a first world city, because it is a first world city. 100 miles out you'd be hard pressed to even recognize it as the same country. It's not merely the difference between city and urban settings, it's a completely different world.
KFG
This concept, though, appears difficult for many Americans to comprehend. . .
It is not a new difficulty. Thoreau bemoaned the fact that he could not get people to understand that they would be better off staying in Concord, rather than going to Boston for "higher wages," because a dollar in Concord was worth several times what it was in Boston.
Those who believe that the answer to globalization is paying those in the third world an American wage simply do not comprehend the issues and that the end result is massive social and economic distruption and increased poverty. Anyone who wants to see this as a fact only need visit Mexico City or Rio de Janeiro. The shanty towns of millions are the direct result of planting an isolated outpost of the first world economy inside a third world economy.
KFG
A "dollar" is what a dollar buys. It has no fixed value.
In third world economies a "dime" may well be "ten bucks," so long as you stick within the local economy for food, clothing and shelter. Living is actually quite cheap, which is why so many people from the first world choose to vacation/retire to the third. You may well find you can live, and live well, for a year for less than what it would cost you to spend two weeks at Disney/land/world/universe/whatever.
The rub is that things from outside the local economy, imports, are priced at what a "dollar" is worth where they are made, and can thus be beyond the means of someone who would otherwise be considered middle class. Things like a simple radio or portable television may require the investment of an entire community which otherwise lacks nothing needed for sustaining a good life.
One can see the same affect in the first world when comparing rural vs. urban living. I turned down $60k/yr in Manhatten awhile ago, because $60k in Manhatten cannot buy me what I could get working a cruddy retail job upstate.
When comparing disparate economies you cannot think in terms of dollars. You have think in terms of hours per pound of rice/place to sleep. When you do this you may find that lower wages are often greater wealth. Money is not wealth. It is an abstraction. What your money buys you is wealth. The "stuff" itself.
KFG
This seems like a really expensive way to prove that both groups just need to exercise more...
Really. Dr. Kenneth Cooper (Dr. Cooper Bio) of the Air Force nailed this one more than 40 years ago.
For people interested in the simple version of how exercise works physiologically I recommend the Covert Baily (M.S. in Biochemistry from MIT) materials. The book Fit or Fat is good, but the video series is not to be missed. Maybe your library has copies. Mine does. Covert is a natural performer and you'll have more fun looking at diagrams of molecules than you thought possible.
It's pretty easy to study the effects of exercise on people, seniors or not, in one G. Just build a simulation of Earth. All we need is budget approval.
KFG
While one should be skeptical that pressures as great as 12.50G let alone 20.00G would ever be experienced during space travel (space being weightless. . .
How do you suppose one gets to space?
And of course space is weightless. Space is just geometry. It is truely massless. D'oh!
KFG
Any idiot could learn how to play Taps with a little bit of effort.
I could teach just about any idiot to play the opening bars of the Moonlight Sonata in an hour or less.
Doesn't mean I'd like to spend much time listening to them afterwards. There's a huge difference between working out the notes and being able to give a proper performance.
That difference consists of many hours of something we call "practice."
KFG
When I hear "Cato" I think "Carthago delenda est"
The very phrase I have quoted most often around these parts.
I find that in itself rather fitting with the whole Iraq war thing.
The very reason I quote it so often.
Reading on the start of the 3rd Punic War rings the Deja Vu bell.
All over again. Santayana had something to say about that.
KFG
I played trumpet. The bugle is pretty much the same thing, minus the valves.
I play signaling trumpet, a four foot long natural trumpet. The difference between a bugle and a trumpet is that the bugle is conical in section, having developed from a true horn (like, from the head of a cow) though the post horn (that round thing you see in period movies or hanging from the walls of "theme" restaurants). The closest modern orchestral relative of the bugle is the cornet, which is a valved version of the post horn, as is the, ummmm, horn ("French" Horn to you).
The restriction isn't anything like "one octave". It's more like "two notes per octave".
Well, three actually. The fundamental/root, fourth and sixth. Add the octave and you've got four notes to play with in a one octave range. Buy playing "crossed" this gives a low note below root and a major chord a fourth up from the fundamental. American military trumpets are pitched in G and if you go to a keyboard and pick out Taps you'll find that consists simply of a G below C root and a C chord played in third inversion.
Most bugle calls stick to a one octave range, but the practical range of the instrument is two octaves, although some can push it a bit further. More power to them.
KFG
And I suspect you chose to quote it cause it might relate to the younger Slashdotters. :P
When I quote Cato do you suppose I'm trying to relate to dead people?
KFG
. . .5 billion people are anti-americans.
.that's, well, UnAmerican, that's what that is.
Why that's. .
KFG
The real suprise would be if this works any better in the USA than in the Deutsche Demokratische Republik.
It cannot possibly work as claimed. Anyone armed with a few facts and just enough brain cells to rub them together can figure that out in a just a few minutes.
It can, however, work as designed. The design is the scary part.
KFG
Who would of thought that keeping all those Windows machines running would take up so much of the Global 'GDP'...
. . . for the economy.
KFG
This type of information would be ideal for the profling of american citizens.
This is what they are already doing. It is the core of the wiretapping issue that who is of interest is determined by a computer generated profile. Indeed, this is one of the things being cited as a defense of the wiretapping (because no human being looks at what's going on and makes a decision until the computer goes "Ping!").
We don't, of course, know what parameters are used by the computer to decide who is "of interest," and if they told you they'd have to shoot you, but we do know that three degrees of seperation from someone else "of interest" is an investigatory paramater.
Three degrees. That means that every fundamental particle in the universe can be declared "of interest" at will already.
All this law would do is allow the spooks to troll leisurely, instead of having to actually intercept the data themselves. Your profile already exists, it just needs more "Innnnnnnnnnpput! Johnny Five alive!"
KFG
. . .the best commercial i've seen recently has got to be the caveman one.
.OR MAKE IT REALLY GODDAMN FUNNY
.don't like it? go fuck yourself
And yet this commercial is a complete failure, because you called it the "caveman one."
MAKE THE COMMERCIAL ABOUT THE PRODUCT/SERVICE YOU ARE TRYING TO SELL
Old style ad:
"Cars"
Post WWII ad:
"Our car is better because it has an extra chrome rimmed hole in the fender"
Modern ad:
"I'm a cute kid. If I go hungry it's going to be all your fault, because you didn't buy our car. Did you notice that I'm cute?"
Maybe "ads" don't need to be more interesting. Maybe they just need to be ads, not blatent attempts at manipulation so bleeding obvious and pathetic that even the morons feel insulted.
I've been watching the post modern attempts at being "interesting" for the past few days. Mostly I react by thinking, "Jesus Christ! When did they start giving toad lickers money to produce commercials?"
I can't think of a specific ads or product as an example though, which just goes to show you how effective the whole thing is.
. .
Which is usually also the case for really goddamn funny ads. You tend to remember the joke, but not the product. See comment about the "caveman one" above. What the advertiser needs is for you to say "The (insert scuzbum here) one with the cavemen."
. .
I assume this is the statement that garnered you a flamebait mod, and yet that's the gist of it. They really need to come to grips with the fact that advertising can ultimately only inform about the product, and perhaps generate some good will, not force a purchase, so stop trying.
KFG
Also, while it may sound dumb to us, you know that they focus-tested the hell out of it in all three territories and, at the very least, it's not completely repellent to those focus groups.
The story of the Edsel.
Focus groups are not real life.
KFG
IIRC the guy actually drew 2 full bills and was in the process of drawing a third when he was caught?
Never do the same magic trick twice in a row. Unless you're Slydini, which is the equivilent of the guy who passes obvious fakes.
KFG
So long as he does not claim they are Sony, only the same as Sony, this is a legal way to make money, and a perfectly good one.
How do you think the "designer" jean and entire generic products market works, and, for that matter, most of the electronics gear market. See the Netgear backdoor scandal.
In some special cases it's even legal to use a "false" label. I hold in my hand a "Stradivarius" violin, dated 1736. The label also bears the notation "Made in Germany" (circa 1936).
So long as that "Made in Germany" is on the label it's perfectly legal and millions of such violins are sold around the world. It's even legal to buy violins built in China, finish them in the US, and label them "Made in USA," so long as sufficient US labor went into the finishing work.
Of course Stradivarius isn't around to sue anymore, but the mere threat of potential lawsuit isn't evidence of any actual laws broken, although it is a business risk to take into account.
KFG
KFG
There are a lot of "counterfieting" operations where the work involved makes you wonder why they didn't go legit.
The Secret Service often wonders the same thing, noting that in some cases the counterfieters could have "made" more money with the same effort through some legal practice.
I think the prime example in their collection of oddities is a hand drawn hundred dollar bill. Hand drawn so well that the artist got away with it, the bill passed and was only picked up at a bank check.
Think of the skill and time that went into that enterprise and how it might otherwise have been used for legal profit.
KFG
Nah, yer gonna spend senior year drunk and fuck it up.
KFG