I'm amazed that you discount this so quickly. Every piece of hardware and software I've ever deployed in an enterprise involves support. In some cases, we accept a greater level of support ourselves. However, even as we pick out the most promising technology, anything with a commercial backer has some kind of support attached to the purchase order. Even when it's easy to use.
I couldn't agree more. Most corporate clients require support, no matter how great your software and interfaces are.
There are still plenty of people for whom a computer is not their primary tool. They need support. We give them that and charge for it. They accept this charge without any hassles because we help them and they appreciate it (yeah no kidding!). OK some don't but there are always the outliers;) You'll also find that some of your most problematic customers are your largest appraisers: they'll rant on to their friends and business-colleagues about the excellent support you gave.
Sometimes (often? all the time?) the service is more important than the product.
Hey thanks! I usually don't futz with socks proxies but your advice is interesting. ssh is da bomb in so many ways.
There was a point to my original post that I left out:) In some situations it will be a *lot* more efficient to simply run a client on the local desktop and a service on the server and just transfer the data. Forget widgets, window positions, etc. This may not be useful in all cases but in some it will be a lot more efficient.
I know, it's a bit Captain Obvious but it's useful to acknowledge: It's a good idea to think in terms of "what data do I *really* need to tranfer over this link?"
I'm a bit biased though: I have to admin a bunch of remote machines. X11 (especially over ssh) across high-latency links is a bit painful at times (not as painful as VNC though).
Side-note: if you ssh into a remote machine, fire up some xterms on that machine and run some processes that send a lot of text to STDOUT, you'll notice the operations are serialised between the xterms. This is because ssh is multiplexing them over the same tunnel. To solve this you perform multiple ssh connections to the remote machine. I'm sure most people here (including yourself) would know all this but I thought it worth mentioning.
Yes I must admit I've been thinking along similar lines.
What I do in certain situations, rather than X11 Forwarding, is set up an SSH tunnel between myself and the remote machine, with the service's port number as the remote port (and sometimes the local port too).
This ssh's into a machine I have ssh access to (e.g. a gateway or some machine on the network border) and sets up a port forward to the intranet webserver.
Then I simply point my browser at 127.0.0.1:80 and voila! I'm on the target intranet. Adding their intranet hostname to/etc/hosts with ip 127.0.0.1 can be useful too.
You can use this method with any tcp service such as web and ldap AFAIK. Because you are simply transmitting the data of the service rather than forwarding graphics it's extremely quick.
And you get encryption and compression for free! woot.
If I started doing rack-mount in my house, I'd end up with that. I simply have to restrict the number of concurrently-running computers in my place to retain any semblance of a sane environment.
Often the first thing a woman says when she walks into my apartment (usually with a matter-of-fact-but-obviously-unimpressed tone): "Gee, you have a lot of wires".
Settle mao che minh, people might think you have a weak member and are trying to compensate.
So anyway, friend, if you _do_ have problems similar to the above, or know anyone that does, there's this stuff I've heard about that i'm sure you'd be interested in: Ci@lis. It's great. Did wonders for me. Like vi@gr4 but better! Lasts all weekend! Buy one now! It's the best! It works wonders. Gives you a surging er3c71.on, healthier physique, feeds the pets, buys dinner, and frees you from SP4.M! Click on the link below for this 3xclus1.ve 0ff.er: buy one get one free!
There's a point where it's funny, but then there's a point where it's really just overdone.
Hang on...
Don't they overdo it every year and isn't that part of the joke? Maybe not an April Fool's Joke but rather an April Troll? (Which is obviously more appropriate for a geek site)
I tried gdesklets a few months ago. Very nice in the eye-candy department but it all felt a bit fragile. Anyway it's a fun thing to investigate if you're into Gnome.
http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
*Nick Burns the Company Computer Guy Voice* YOU'RE WELCOME!
Sorry that it didn't work out for you. As you mention perseverence is the key.
I found upgrading to 2.6 on FC1 extremely straightforward and an enjoyable experience. All I did was download the latest FC updates, download 2.6, compile, build, reboot. It would have gone perfectly well if 2.6 had understood the e2labels;) A quick fix of grub.conf got me up and running. Then installed the experimental nvidia drivers from minion.de: worked flawlessly. All on my via chipset motherboard (Asus a7v8x).
I'm feeling lucky. Perhaps I should go to a casino...
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Yeah... like IE, Windows, Office, Powerpoint, Visual Basic...
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I don't think anyone really cares about backporting drivers (eg SATA).
4 04 .2/0019.html :)
Oh really?
http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0
This is for the *official* branch, not a fork but it has obviously been requested (and is happening).
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"I saw a shitty company in Utah... ...they were in PAIN!!!"
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What Darl needs up his ass is an eServer.
*Dr Evil Voice* A beowulf cluster of eServers?
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We're truly sorry.
:)
We truly don't blame you.
Our politicians are just as much to blame for this as yours. It takes two to tango.
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As a 48 yo grandmother, I am offended that people equate being a grandmother with having a low level of technical competance.
;)
Are you an Aunt too? That makes you twice as bad
You name better not be "Tilly"
Sorry I couldn't resist: I find this all pretty ludicrous myself.
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I couldn't agree more. Most corporate clients require support, no matter how great your software and interfaces are.
There are still plenty of people for whom a computer is not their primary tool. They need support. We give them that and charge for it. They accept this charge without any hassles because we help them and they appreciate it (yeah no kidding!). OK some don't but there are always the outliers
Sometimes (often? all the time?) the service is more important than the product.
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Hey thanks! I usually don't futz with socks proxies but your advice is interesting. ssh is da bomb in so many ways.
:) In some situations it will be a *lot* more efficient to simply run a client on the local desktop and a service on the server and just transfer the data. Forget widgets, window positions, etc. This may not be useful in all cases but in some it will be a lot more efficient.
There was a point to my original post that I left out
I know, it's a bit Captain Obvious but it's useful to acknowledge: It's a good idea to think in terms of "what data do I *really* need to tranfer over this link?"
I'm a bit biased though: I have to admin a bunch of remote machines. X11 (especially over ssh) across high-latency links is a bit painful at times (not as painful as VNC though).
Side-note: if you ssh into a remote machine, fire up some xterms on that machine and run some processes that send a lot of text to STDOUT, you'll notice the operations are serialised between the xterms. This is because ssh is multiplexing them over the same tunnel. To solve this you perform multiple ssh connections to the remote machine. I'm sure most people here (including yourself) would know all this but I thought it worth mentioning.
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Yes I must admit I've been thinking along similar lines.
/etc/hosts with ip 127.0.0.1 can be useful too.
What I do in certain situations, rather than X11 Forwarding, is set up an SSH tunnel between myself and the remote machine, with the service's port number as the remote port (and sometimes the local port too).
Example:
ssh username@gateway.example.com -L 80:intranetwebserver.example.com:80
This ssh's into a machine I have ssh access to (e.g. a gateway or some machine on the network border) and sets up a port forward to the intranet webserver.
Then I simply point my browser at 127.0.0.1:80 and voila! I'm on the target intranet. Adding their intranet hostname to
You can use this method with any tcp service such as web and ldap AFAIK. Because you are simply transmitting the data of the service rather than forwarding graphics it's extremely quick.
And you get encryption and compression for free! woot.
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I like this one
If I started doing rack-mount in my house, I'd end up with that. I simply have to restrict the number of concurrently-running computers in my place to retain any semblance of a sane environment.
Often the first thing a woman says when she walks into my apartment (usually with a matter-of-fact-but-obviously-unimpressed tone): "Gee, you have a lot of wires".
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Settle mao che minh, people might think you have a weak member and are trying to compensate.
So anyway, friend, if you _do_ have problems similar to the above, or know anyone that does, there's this stuff I've heard about that i'm sure you'd be interested in: Ci@lis. It's great. Did wonders for me. Like vi@gr4 but better! Lasts all weekend! Buy one now! It's the best! It works wonders. Gives you a surging er3c71.on, healthier physique, feeds the pets, buys dinner, and frees you from SP4.M! Click on the link below for this 3xclus1.ve 0ff.er: buy one get one free!
Your friend,
xxOIJ4.HEUUl7@hotmail.com
Hasn't Linux had a similar program in place for a while now?
:)
Yes but it doesn't cost $5, it costs $time.
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In Nautilus, you can just go to fonts:/// and drag your new fonts in. Hey presto! New fonts.
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Ahem, drugs?
Ahem, sex.
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Oh man.
:D
That's not a sniffer... that's a freakin' rootkit!
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They weren't whipped, the guards had "electrical cattle-prod" type things right?
That's how I remember it
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That's badass and all....but how does it handle? Does it take cornering well?...etc.
That bike's to big for a little shrimp like you...
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There's a point where it's funny, but then there's a point where it's really just overdone.
Hang on...
Don't they overdo it every year and isn't that part of the joke? Maybe not an April Fool's Joke but rather an April Troll? (Which is obviously more appropriate for a geek site)
That's what I always assumed.
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That's a gdesklet buddy.
I tried gdesklets a few months ago. Very nice in the eye-candy department but it all felt a bit fragile. Anyway it's a fun thing to investigate if you're into Gnome.
http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
*Nick Burns the Company Computer Guy Voice* YOU'RE WELCOME!
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And .05% of posts will be ridiculing the statistics posts.
We could go on like this forever, sn0wman3030 =)
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Sorry that it didn't work out for you. As you mention perseverence is the key.
;) A quick fix of grub.conf got me up and running. Then installed the experimental nvidia drivers from minion.de: worked flawlessly. All on my via chipset motherboard (Asus a7v8x).
I found upgrading to 2.6 on FC1 extremely straightforward and an enjoyable experience. All I did was download the latest FC updates, download 2.6, compile, build, reboot. It would have gone perfectly well if 2.6 had understood the e2labels
I'm feeling lucky. Perhaps I should go to a casino...
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A world w/o MS, eh?
Perhaps I wouldn't be receiving 200 "Here is the document (.pif)" emails each day. My MTAs and webservers are getting hammered by WinDOS malware.
Sounds great, where do I sign up for this magical place?
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p.s. To all MS-Apologists: fuck off.
The Apple //gs had some of the best games I've ever played:
// also had great games:
/.
- Task Force
- Xenocide
- Zany Golf
- The Immortal
- Tetris
- Arkanoid I and II
- Thexder
and of course the silly Frogger clone:
- Senseless Violence
The Apple
- Drol
- Conan
- Prince of Persia
Note that The Immortal and Zany Golf were written by Will Harvey, the founder of the "There" MMPORG, recently referenced by
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I think he's talking a knife.
Or Steve Irwin.
Both are bloody dangerous, mate.
*sings* Put another SCO on the barbie!
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Apple has a loyal fanbase that supports it "enough" to break even - make a profit
:)
You're right: Apple have the loyal support of the international gay community.
It's a joke, settle down...
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