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SCO Seeks Licenses Down Under

WildCode writes "SCO is now targeting Aussies in its continuing Linux licence saga. According to the story, one Aussie organization has already signed up for the licence. The ACCC has no comment at this time but this certainly puts a twist on things as the ACCC were waiting for the results of the lawsuits in the U.S. before making any judgement. Personally I think its time for the ACCC to say to SCO 'wait for the U.S outcomes before taking action here.'" An anonymous reader points to another story at internetnews.com.

278 comments

  1. bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    evil bastards...

  2. Personally, I think... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think that we should all boycott Linux until SCO either loses the case or gives up trying to get licensees. Hit them where it hurts - their pocketbooks.

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    1. Re:Personally, I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Go ahead... Slashdot runs on linux. So you stop posting here till the verdict.

    2. Re:Personally, I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How will this hurt SCO?!

    3. Re:Personally, I think... by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm hoping you mean "Boycott all Unix" until SCO kicks the can.. Why boycott Linux? There's absolutely nothing wrong with Linux, and if SCO comes to you seeking money, give them the middle finger and get a lawyer. Odds are that very soon SCO will have to go to court... I'm just anxiously awaiting...

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    4. Re:Personally, I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're really not funny. But at least you post early.

    5. Re:Personally, I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow.. that comment went way over your head. i won't even explain the joke, as you've already screwed it up.

    6. Re:Personally, I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a list of companies on the web who have purchased a SCO licence for Linux?

      Buy a SCO licence and feel the wrath, Linited we stand..

    7. Re:Personally, I think... by yobbo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the typical Aussie response would be:

      "Tell 'em to get stuffed"

    8. Re:Personally, I think... by spellraiser · · Score: 5, Funny

      No worries, mate

      The soon-to-be-released MyDundee worm will take care of 'em SCO bastards in a hurry.

      MyDoom is not a worm, THIS is a worm!

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    9. Re:Personally, I think... by An+Audience+of+One · · Score: 2, Funny
      MyDoom is not a worm, THIS is a worm!

      No its not - its a spoon

    10. Re:Personally, I think... by budhaboy · · Score: 1
      You need to get out more bubba.

      It was a joke How in the world could boycotting linux in anyway affect SCOs cashflow?! it's free, you ninny.

    11. Re:Personally, I think... by $rtbl_this · · Score: 1

      The soon-to-be-released MyDundee worm will take care of 'em SCO bastards in a hurry.

      Will it fill up their hard drives with deep fried pizza and heroin? Oh, right, the other Dundee...

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    12. Re:Personally, I think... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Nah, I think this insult needs a stronger response (like an oblig Simpsons ref):
      Darl and his entire company must fly out to the land down under and apologize to the Australian people. Once there, Evan Conover, the Undersecretary of State for International Protocol, Brat and Punk Division, tells SCO that in Australia, the only acceptable apology is for the guilty party to receive a swift kick in the pants from the Prime Minister.
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    13. Re:Personally, I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you've played wormy-spoony before.

    14. Re:Personally, I think... by JimFromJersey · · Score: 1

      and here I was hoping for a MyDingo worm ... a dingo ate my website...

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    15. Re:Personally, I think... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Well, the typical Aussie response would be:
      "Tell 'em to get stuffed"

      A typical Aussie lawyer's response might be to bring an action under Section 202 of the Copyright Act (C'th) 1968

      SCO had better be sure of their claims before they even threaten to sue someone in Oz. We've got laws against that kind of thing ;)

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    16. Re:Personally, I think... by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Groklaw should set up a mirror site at SCOtse.cx

    17. Re:Personally, I think... by sharkey · · Score: 1

      There is no spoon.

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  3. How much by VMaN · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How much money CAN they trying to salvage from the biggest backfire in recent history? ... ONE company per continent doesn't seem to me like it will pay the legal fees, and not to mention the destroyed reputation...

    1. Re:How much by ruprechtjones · · Score: 2, Funny

      SCO's stock closed at 7.77 today. If it stays below 8 for a while (I think 60 days, not sure), they lose a shit-load of funding. C'mon, let's keep that stock below 8...

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    2. Re:How much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the stock stays below 8 for a while (I think 60 days, not sure), they lose a shit-load of funding. C'mon, let's keep that stock below 8...

      damn right. BUY BUY BUY and then SELL SELL SELL for LOW LOW prices. It will spook the market and everyone else will start selling and won't buy again. Sure, you'll lose a lot of money but now is the time to ask yourself: "how much do I love linux?"

    3. Re:How much by thales · · Score: 1

      The trigger price that screws SCO is 8.46 a share. If it stays below this for 20 consective days they get nailed with a conversion option that will cost them about 50 Million dollars. Yesterday was day two under the trigger price.

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    4. Re:How much by taxevader · · Score: 1

      and not to mention the destroyed reputation...

      (in heavy Aussie accent): Nice one, mate! What bloody reputation?

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    5. Re:How much by Jaywalk · · Score: 2, Insightful
      not to mention the destroyed reputation...
      Reputation is irrelevant because SCO is playing an end-game. Caldera's hopes for a viable company ended with Project Monterey and the head of that company left for better things. The original SCO took their one viable product and changed their name to Tarantella, selling off their unprofitable ventures -- and their old name -- to what is now SCO. The Canopy Group looked over what was left and determined that it was not possible to make a real company out of it, so they hired Darl and turned it into a litigation/stock manipulation factory with just enough real product to maintain the illusion of credibility for the gullible. What is now "SCO" is expendable, expected to have zero value when the game is done.

      The insiders are getting wealthy off of stock options and the lawyers are making a bundle off the legal wranglings. Left holding the bag are the stockholders and investors, notably Baystar, whose $50 million investment has lost more than half its original value already. The options are part of the problem, since they dilute the stock, and the loss of reputation and the court case will finish off the rest.

      In the end, SCO will lose its court cases as expected and declare bankruptcy. The companies officers and lawyers will walk away with piles of cash and the remaining IP and products (yes, SCO has some IP and products) will be sold off to the highest bidder. But this all looks like it was part of the plan to extract money from a company which could no longer produce a viable business.

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    6. Re:How much by HiThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Caldera was never a part of Project Monterey, that was the original SCO, now called Tarantella. And when Caldera bought SCO they specifically said that it was for the sales and distribution network, not Unix...and that their plan was to scrap the SCO Unix for parts to add to their Linux distribution.

      Then there was a change in management. I had thought that they would have a hard time doing worse than Ransom Love, whose community relations were...abysmal. But they have pulled off a truly stupendous coup. Of course, why they would want to do so is an interesting question.

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  4. Ultimate Goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm just waiting for SCO to start sueing themselves.

    1. Re:Ultimate Goal by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 4, Funny

      More realistically, I think they may start suing their programmers on Fridays before a weekend. Everyone knows that as soon as coders have seen a few lines of SCO source code, all their subsequent thoughts (and possibly emotions) are the intellectual property of The SCO Group, Inc. I think this interview with Darl McBride sums their tactics up well:

      Interviewer: So have you told your programmers that they're going to get sued when they attempt to leave their cubicles?

      Darl: [Laughing] No, no. We find it's always best to sue our own workers on a Friday; studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you backstab before a weekend.

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    2. Re:Ultimate Goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? They already screwed up thier lawsuit by having the GPL code on thier site for download, maybe suing themselvs is the only case they could win.

    3. Re:Ultimate Goal by rokka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do SCO have programmers? I allways thought it was som sort of law firm. Well, what do you know...

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    4. Re:Ultimate Goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center had linuxneworx do their cluster and they are a canopy group company.

      all they want is publicity and money to keep their lawsuit going.

      all they are sueing are companies that had a sco license agreement - so if you didn't sign with sco in the first place you are safe.

      but if you pay for a license now you are in deep dodo because old Darl always says contracts are something you can use against the person who signed it. evidence by the people he is sueing - people who signed previous contracts with them.

    5. Re:Ultimate Goal by mrbuttle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, they're getting close. They're threatening legal action against Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory for using Linux. LLNL is a customer of Linux Networx, part of the Canopy Group.

    6. Re:Ultimate Goal by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      I would rather suggest to sue SCO. Or report the offence to the police so that managers of the SCO Group will be helt accountable in Australia and everywhere else.

      When somebody sells licenses about something he does not own its fraud, when you send wrong signals to the finacial market it is financial fraud. The aussies shall report it to the police.

      BTW.: Werent there lawsuits or injunctions against SCO in Australia?

    7. Re:Ultimate Goal by Progman2000 · · Score: 1

      I cannot help but think that it would be unwise to tick off the LLNL.

  5. Bring it on! by a.koepke · · Score: 5, Informative

    The good is that we have the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC).

    If SCO calls you, give them the finger and then report them to the ACCC. The Perth company, CyberKnights, lodged a complaint earlier on this month.

    If SCO keeps going with trying to get UNIX licenses in Australia they should be prepared to face the ACCC.

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    1. Re:Bring it on! by ElectronF · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it was the ACCC who SCO first contacted and possibly gave them the green light to go ahead.

    2. Re:Bring it on! by Disevidence · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If IIRC, a Victorian (as in state, not culture) Open Source group appealed to the ACCC about SCO's actions.

      But this is direct proof of the problems with our governments adoption of American Policies and Laws. When a US company goes litigious, this country is next in line due to more and more similarities every day.

      Aussies - Vote out John Howard. Latham is no angel, but he's way better than Bush's bum buddy Howard.

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    3. Re:Bring it on! by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      Link please. I haven't heard this?

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    4. Re:Bring it on! by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      American Policies and Laws

      You know what the funny thing is, most Americans think American laws and policies are too fucked up to live. Its just really hard to change things.

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    5. Re:Bring it on! by jakoz · · Score: 3, Informative
    6. Re:Bring it on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, not all of us are waiting to be contacted. I wrote a letter asking SCO to state exactly what my company owed them for our use of Linux servers. At this stage, they have not responded to the letter. I'm hoping they'll invoice us sometime soon...

    7. Re:Bring it on! by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      The worst of it is, Bush seems to be expecting us to pay for our own K-Y jelly ...

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  6. Do you come from the land down under? by macshune · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where women glow and SCO plunders?

    1. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Next SCO will be asking Russians for licenses in Chernobyl, where women really *do* glow.

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    2. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      I find it interesting that Americans refer to Australia as 'down under'. I would have thought that would be a UK thing... I'll have to consult an atlas, find the antipodal region to the US...

      I just wish I had the time to compose a full-scale filk on this, though. It's such a rich seam to mine :-)

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    3. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to consult an atlas, find the antipodal region to the US...

      The northern hemisphere's at the top of most maps, and Australia's down at the bottom. Close enough for a figure of speech...
      I'm going way off-topic here, but the very first of the many basic factual, scientific and technical errors of the film "The China Syndrome" is that the writers never bothered to look in an atlas when naming the (fictitious, impossible) result of a reactor melting its way straight through the earth..

    4. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      The northern hemisphere's at the top of most maps, and Australia's down at the bottom. Close enough for a figure of speech...

      I actually did look it up. In fact, Australia's just as much down under for (East Coast) Americans as it is for Britons. Australia's antipodal to a region in the mid-Atlantic, just east of the Caribbean, and NZ is antipodal to an area stretching from the Bay of Biscay down into Spain.

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    5. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by Celsius10 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Men at work.

      Something SCO doesn't know about.

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    6. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by classic66coupe · · Score: 0

      ahhh, flash back to the 80s.

    7. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, you sue SCO?

    8. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could it be from the Men At Work song? Just a thought, because, you know nobody ever takes lyrics from music and adopts it into their culture or vernacular. Especially Americans.

    9. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by achinshoulder · · Score: 1

      I've wanted to ask Brits and Aussies this for awhile: This "antipodal" thing is fine, but when you leave on a journey from Britain to Australia you have to go east or west. After the Suez Canal was built, during the steamship era, you clearly traveled west (Britain) to east (Australia). Nowadays, I imagine air travel also involves a west to east journey. Is that right?

      When a Brit thinks of Australia, are they thinking "east", or is it "antipodal" and "down under". Brits don't think Australia = West, do they?

      Do Aussies think of Britain and Europe as West?

      My guess is most Americans, think Australia = way,way.....faraway WEST! Certainly "antipodal" would not come to mind.

      Which is funny in a way, when you think that Australia is due south of the Asian land mass, which is firmly entrenched in the popular mind as "Far East".

    10. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by Shanep · · Score: 1

      Where women glow and SCO plunders?

      I always thought it was, "Where women blow and then chunder".

      ; )

      Which reminds me of...

      You got me steaming at one hundred degrees!
      Each time I see you I go weak at the knees!

      But best of all, I love...

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    11. Re:Do you come from the land down under? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errrr...?

      What are you talking about?

      Antipodal (adj) 1. Of, relating to, or situated on the opposite side or sides of the earth: Australia and Great Britain occupy antipodal regions. 2. Diametrically opposed; exactly opposite. (source).

      Yes, Australia and Britain are certainly "antipodal" given that the word refers to places that are situated on opposite sides of the earth.

  7. SCO seeks what? by BWJones · · Score: 3, Funny

    SCO seeks licenses down under

    Should not this read......"SCO seeks victims down under?"

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    1. Re:SCO seeks what? by r_cerq · · Score: 1

      Not really; it's more like "SCO seeks suckers down under"

  8. Looking down under by i+love+pineapples · · Score: 1

    Darl, you can hunt all you want, but the only thing you're going to find "down under" is the reason you've been responding to all that "aDd 5 inCh3s 0vern`iTe 6723 rusty tatamount gumdrop" e-mail.

  9. It just never ends with SCO by dot_borg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only companies more stupid than SCO are the ones falling for their FUD.

    1. Re:It just never ends with SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes. Any company buying a SCO 'license' will get this letter from me.


      "Dear Sir,
      it has recently come to my attention that some of my Invisible Pixies have been working in your company for several years. It appears you have not been paying them for this time. Please deposit 1 million dollars in my Invisible Pixie account, or face the wrath of my lawyers."

    2. Re:It just never ends with SCO by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      Have you sent this letter to EV1 yet?

  10. Sco still dropping by akaiONE · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know about the rest of you, but to me this seems to be one of the late very desperate moves by the SCO to prove they have a business here.

    Lets just take a look at their current stock-price? This url [nasdaq.com] trully shows who's dropping here. It's for sure that SCO now seem desperate, and for a reason. Their business is dying, and so are their case.

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    1. Re:Sco still dropping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The statistics speak for themselves - SCO is dying.

    2. Re:Sco still dropping by wtlssndlssfthlss · · Score: 0

      Their stock is still up from one year ago. It's also _still_ falling, though...

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    3. Re:Sco still dropping by z0ink · · Score: 1

      That chart seems a bit flawed. If you switch it to this you will see an entirely different story.

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    4. Re:Sco still dropping by shanen · · Score: 5, Informative
      This link shows SCOX price relative to IBM over the last three months. While this will change depending on when it is generated, right now it shows a steady drop of SCOX relative to IBM, on the order of 60% loss for SCOX.

      Here is a one year version. It currently shows that SCOX rose pretty steadily relative to IBM until last September, and then it oscillated a bunch until January, when it started down. In this view, SCOX still hasn't gone below the relative position it was at last year.

      Of course, there's also the short term absolute status, which currently shows SCOX under $8 and falling. I believe that's already below the critical panic level for Darl. Don't they have to put up some real money now?

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    5. Re:Sco still dropping by dominiv · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, but business monkeys (finally) caught up with the techies. I think the curtains have fallen (at last). It's just a matter of time before they reach their 2$ level again (just my 2 cents). More important, every time they announce a new lawsuit, the stock drops even more, instead of rising as in the previous months. They even have to buy their own stock back, a well known mechanism to superficially elevate stock value. Meanwhile, I still think that the top of sco earned a lot of money with their maneuvres. I'm no stock wizard, but I know you can even make money on a falling stock...

    6. Re:Sco still dropping by akaiONE · · Score: 1

      In deed you are correct. With your and other posters charts it's very clear who is dropping. I'm wondering about buying a few SCO stocks tho, when they reach 0.02$ or so, just to have something to tell my grandchildren about in 50 years :>

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    7. Re:Sco still dropping by GooglyWoogly · · Score: 1

      Good point....we just need to outlast that little blue line and see it off the bottom of the graph. I'm no lawyer, but I can't figure out how SCO can arbitrarily accuse people of things that are yet to be proven. Innocent until proven guilty, what happened to that little phrase ?

    8. Re:Sco still dropping by Progman3K · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I think it will be Microsoft's strategy to come in before the stock dips too much and buy up a lot of the stock.

      The recently leaked memo shows that MS has a whole huge budget earmarked for just such an occasion.

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    9. Re:Sco still dropping by HiThere · · Score: 1

      How would that be to MS' advantage? If they buy SCOX, don't they acquire the legal liabilities that go with it?

      There was, of course, the PIPE investment, but it's getting close to the time when the PIPE asks for it's cash back. If, as many suspect, that's MS money, MS will get back most of the money it put in, and SCOX will become a bankrupt shell before the court renders a decision against it. Cute, hunh?

      Now there's no legalrequirement that the PIPE investors demand their money back. There might be reasons to hold off. But probably not. By letting SCOX go bankrupt they absolve themselves of any connection, and cancel the case without having a judge rule on it. So there's NO legal record saying that this was all FUD. IBM is aiming at Canopy rather than SCOX, because they can already see that SCOX is dead meat walking. (They'd want to anyway, of course, but it becomes more important when the purported target is clearly just a stalking horse.)

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    10. Re:Sco still dropping by Progman3K · · Score: 1

      That's very interesting and astute.

      But what I was getting at is that i believe Microsoft's strategy in this is not to make money, but to kill Linux. And if they have to send X millions down the crapper to do it, so be it.

      Also, is there really a way to know precisely WHO is buying SCO's stock?

      How hard would it be for MS to buy it through a shell corporation?

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  11. Wi by skimitar · · Score: 5, Informative

    The previous chair of the ACCC (Allan Fells) wasn't popular with business, which in my view, meant that he must have been doing something right. The current chair (Graeme Samuel) doesn't seem to be so so proactive (or controversial), so they may adopt a wait and see approach. In any case, I am wondering if what the SCO group are attempting to do could best be covered by Fair Trading laws which, in Australia, are administered by the State governments. I guess the anti-competition aspect of SCO's behaviour could give the ACCC jurisdiction.

    1. Re:Wi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? There may have been some concerns over GS's business ties... but have you seen how Telstra is doing recently?

    2. Re:Wi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh I don't know, the ACCC seems to be ripping up Telstra as we speak....

      Almost literally.

    3. Re:Wi by shplorb · · Score: 3, Informative

      The current chair (Graeme Samuel) doesn't seem to be so so proactive (or controversial), so they may adopt a wait and see approach.

      Have you been reading the news lately? The ACCC has just taken action against Telstra (again) by compressing what would normally take nine months into three weeks!

      Give the man a break, he hasn't even been in the job for a full year yet!

    4. Re:Wi by iamplasma · · Score: 2, Informative
      In any case, I am wondering if what the SCO group are attempting to do could best be covered by Fair Trading laws which, in Australia, are administered by the State governments.

      Unfortunately, this is not acutally correct. While it is true that each state has a "Fair Trading Act", it is limited to trading by natural persons, all fair trading laws relating to corporations are under the federal Trade Practices Act. So to put it simply, don't expect to see state governments going after SCO any time soon.

  12. Meanwhile, their stock... by dominiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is plummeting further and further. Check out

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l=off& z= m&q=l&c=

    or google to scox.

    Best to view the 3month graph, in a linear scale to get that good vibration...

  13. It's quite obvious why they are doing this by amigoro · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well apart from the much publicized link with Microsoft SCO is a dying company who have very little to lose. Their profits are heading south and they are about to go down under (Pun Intended). They have obtained pariah status sooner than you can say "litigious bastards". They know they have very little room to stand on legal-wise in the US, so it is pretty damn obvious they will try some other market, where things might just turn out more to their favour.

    Justly or unjustly, rightly or wrongly, they have already paid a heavy price for their underhand techniques, in the form of the mydoom worm. This clearly shows how much anger and resentment the society has against this vulture of an organisation.

    Under these circumstances, it is highly unlikely that their legal action will work anywhere in the world. Even if MS pumps more money into SCO to damage Linux, it will not save SCO.

    SCO can't kill Linux. What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.

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    1. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by MrIrwin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps they should try in the EU? I'm sure Ballamer could give them some tips on how to deal with Mario Monti.

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    2. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by eddy · · Score: 1

      [...] unjustly, rightly or wrongly, they have already paid a heavy price for their underhand techniques, in the form of the mydoom worm.

      Any evidence for this assertion that mydoom was aimed at SCO in any way or form other than a way for the scumsucking malwarewriters/spammers who unleashed it to make the news/redirect attention?

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    3. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by ScouseMouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      May I remind you that the MyDoom virus did very little real damage to SCO, and far more damage to Linux users. It was also probably written by Spammers to redirect attention from the spam engine in it. Please dont give these morons any justification for their work. Professional spammers and their programmers deserve a very long walk of a very short pier, from the russian criminals engaged in kiddie porn to that american granny spamming insurance offers.

    4. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by Felinoid · · Score: 1

      Quite a few people think MyDoom was writen by someone at SCO after faking no less than two DDoS attacks.
      If anyone outside of SCO did make MyDoom to actually hurt SCO they are in the running for a Darwin award considering SCO has faked at least one DDoS and caused a second internally.

      And why attack SCO once and then leave em alone? A sereous DDoS wouldn't have stopped attacking SCO.

      Why would a Linux coder use Visual Basic?
      The Visual Basic programming environment is pritty expensive and the avrage Linux coder wouldn't know how to tap into it from a typical Windows install.

      Why not use GCC? It's what Linux coders usually use.

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    5. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a Linux coder use Visual Basic?
      Why not use GCC? It's what Linux coders usually use.


      In a word, misdirection.

    6. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa -- it sounds like you're just making things up as you go along.

      First of all, at least one of the "faked" DDOS attack was proven to be real (see Groklaw). Second, MyDoom was written in C, not Visual Basic. Third, while it may be true that Linux users are generally too poor to buy software, MS's dev tools are easily pirated and sold to students for $10 or so.

    7. Re:It's quite obvious why they are doing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem that if SCO could get a ruling in their favor then they could say "See, See, the Australians think we're right", here in the US in an effort to gain leverage with their case against IBM. Kind of like when they started announcing who bought their licenses.
      "Look, this company bought our license, so they must believe we've got a good case"

  14. License this! by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 0, Redundant

    SCO suck. I am a Linux user. I know lots of Linux users. But I'll sooner go without a computer than pay them for a license to Linux, and I would rather avoid EvilOS (TM). I've nothing against paying for software, just SCO can't claim ownership of EveryInvention (TM), and the serious competition on PC isn't that great. I know about BSDs and other opensource operating systems, but I see SCO going after them eventually as well. This is a dodgy business practice. It looks to me like SCO has grabbed a few hundred lines of code from Linux, backported them in to their ShittyOS and is now claiming ownership of everything under the sun, including my DNA, because of it. The future of opensource is really at stake here if SCO win a lawsuit anywhere in the world about this. What's to stop other litigous bastards grabbing some opensource code and sticking it into a version of their software then claiming that they wrote all the code? If SCO win there will be a legal precident for them to do it too. Something similar happened to the Mplayer guys a while back, but I forget the exact details. Beware people, the future is uncertain. If you don't make a point of fighting (and winning) this SCO thing we're going to see more of it happening.

    --
    I drink to make other people interesting!
    1. Re:License this! by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      And to further what I just wrote, SCO only target corporations using Linux because there is more money to be had.

      They can't target the home user on IP grounds because they would have to prove that their IP was being used in a profitable manner by the home user.

      BE VERY WARE!!!!!

      PS. I forgot to select plain text for the prev posting, so all my paragraphs disappeared.

      --
      I drink to make other people interesting!
    2. Re:License this! by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      SCO cannot go after the BSDs. The courts have already ruled that there is no AT&T code in BSD. You can't be tried twice for the same crime. If they tried anything on, the case almost certainly would be chucked out quicker than you could say "Double Jeopardy".

      Beside which, after the Linux suit is over, McBride and co. will either be penniless, or behind bars; so, either way, it will be a long time before they get anywhere near another courtroom.

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    3. Re:License this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The courts haven't ruled anything. There was a settlement, which is different from a court ruling.

    4. Re:License this! by hdparm · · Score: 1

      I read that 'penisless' in which case future tense would be wrong - Darl & Co. already are.

    5. Re:License this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'll sooner go without a computer than pay them for a license to Linux, and I would rather avoid EvilOS (TM).

      I suggest you try out MovieOS.

    6. Re:License this! by DrSkwid · · Score: 1


      You know, there are more than 3 operating systems and of them, gasp, were written from scatch.

      The future of OpenSource is not "at stake".

      Mplayer is not entirely opensource [sic]

      What's to stop other litigous bastards grabbing some opensource code and sticking it into a version of their software then claiming that they wrote all the code?
      Nothing, whats to stop me scooping up a dog turd, plonking it on your dorstep and saying 'I pooped this?'

      calm down son, it's not worth the stress.

      --
      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    7. Re:License this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nothing, whats to stop me scooping up a dog turd, plonking it on your dorstep and saying 'I pooped this?'

      You rule, man.

    8. Re:License this! by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Ok, I am calm. I am just not happy about the matter.

      It's an unfortunate case of "their word against ours", and SCO being the big respectable company will be favoured for that.

      That's the unfortunate way the world is. The big respectable company that works hard and makes millions is more trustworthy than the little guy who gives his work away on the street for a pittance.

      I really just don't want to see the world go the way it is going. The *AAs are walking over the rights of legitimite purchassers of content, and trying to press their views outside the US. SCO appears to be stealing code from Linux and claiming it as their own. What next?

      --
      I drink to make other people interesting!
    9. Re:License this! by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      SCO may not be able to go after the BSDs, which is good, but they can still go after others.

      You pin a lot of hope on SCO losing the SCO/Linux case. They present a convincing argument to they layperson that they were the original owners of said lines of code. There are other factors influencing the case, which I am not fully aware, so hopefully the Linux community has its facts in order and presents a strong counter argument in the courts.

      I should get down off my soapbox and let others post their views.

      --
      I drink to make other people interesting!
    10. Re:License this! by DrSkwid · · Score: 1


      newsflash - they are suing IBM

      IBM are just slightly bigger than SCO

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      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    11. Re:License this! by tkg · · Score: 1

      Besides that, I'm not sure double jeopardy applies in a civil case, which this is. Unless there is something in the settlement with AT$T that prevents future litigation, SCO would be free to sue again if they feel they have new evidence.

      Obligatory IANAL disclaimer.

    12. Re:License this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing, whats to stop me scooping up a dog turd, plonking it on your dorstep and saying 'I pooped this?'

      The threat of a baseball bat? I hope you're a fast runner.

    13. Re:License this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unless there is something in the settlement with AT$T that prevents future litigation, SCO would be free to sue again if they feel they have new evidence.
      There is. They aren't.
    14. Re:License this! by jack_csk · · Score: 1

      Mod the parent way up!

      This is the best SCO joke I ever heard!

  15. Return on Investment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While the lawsuits might not have any result in the long run, and will probably be turned down by the courts (depending-- I know very little about the facts of the case, and have no real pressing reason to find out more), it seems like in the short run, the could be very useful... for Microsoft.

    I mean, obviously Microsoft threw in some funding to this group to help sponsor the lawsuits. And they don't nessecarly have to succeed in order to have effect. Defending oneself from lawsuits is expensive and undesirable. Any moderatly to low executives now have more to worry about in any thoughts of migrating to Linux. This seems like it will help Microsoft in the short run.

    It seems like the time bidding might be all they need. If they can prevent massive pop-culture defections from Windows until the migration to 64 bit, they would most likely continue the prevelance of windows for a long time to come.

    How effective do you think this tatic will be for them.

    1. Re:Return on Investment by HenchmenResources · · Score: 1
      Holding out till 64 bit may be less of a pressing mater when compared with the fact that many of MS's licenses are set to expire over the next year, I think a lot of their pressure is there to ensure that those licenses renew, and don't switch over to Linux or another OS.

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      "Napalm is nature's toothpaste" - Chef Brian
  16. Working for SCO outside US by physick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine being a non-US regional director for SCO. You come to work one day and have a conference call with Utah:

    "Start sending out license letters."

    "But,.. but I have a meeting with N clients in the next week, we are closing deals on M systems."

    "Forget that. Send out license letters."

    Why are people still working for SCO?

    1. Re:Working for SCO outside US by arivanov · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simple - because they are being payed. You have to get money from somewhere to pay the food for the kids and the mortgage.

      Personally, I would not get my hands dirty with such a job, but many people have landed in it and carry its stigma now so they cannot find another one in the industry even if they want.

      --
      Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
      http://www.sigsegv.cx/
    2. Re:Working for SCO outside US by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Paychecks?

      I mean, let's face it. Some of the people working there might not be able to afford to quit right now, depending on how much they are earning and the state of the job market. If the job market really starts picking back up (yeah, right, in the face of all the outsourcing to India), then maybe you'll see more people leaving SCO, but right now... they're still getting paid on time. (Or one would assume so...)

      Kierthos

      --
      Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
    3. Re:Working for SCO outside US by physick · · Score: 1

      But my point is that it ought to be pretty clear to an SCO employee that their job is not secure. This has been going on for at least a year, and if it were me I would be out there hunting.

    4. Re:Working for SCO outside US by arivanov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And my point is that I will think 10 times before hiring an ex-SCO employee. So will 95%+ of the market and they will be quite likely to chose a non-SCO alternative even if less qualified.

      Leaving the actual SCO case aside it is a standard practice to not hire people working for companies involved in an ongoing intellectual property litigation.

      So anyone trying to jump ship from SCO will have to overcome the stigma of carrying bomb in their pocket.

      Even if they desperately want to jump ship they are not likely to be able to do it at the moment.

      --
      Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
      http://www.sigsegv.cx/
    5. Re:Working for SCO outside US by Alsee · · Score: 1

      I have a meeting with N clients in the next week, we are closing deals on M systems.

      Where N=1 and M=0.

      -

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  17. No surprises here by thefixer · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's no surpise that SCO is targetting Aussies. Just have a look at their stock.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox

    It's going down under!

    1. Re:No surprises here by rjch · · Score: 1

      Something tells me you didn't actually check your link all that carefully before posting the link. Yes, they've gone down in the past week. However, if you check the graph for the past year, you'll probably notice that it started at a low of 2.23 in March last year, reached a high of 22.29 in September/October before it started declining to it's present value of 7.77.

      Oops.

    2. Re:No surprises here by Kierthos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, true, it's still above the yearly low, but it's also far below the yearly high. And it's had one day in the last several days where it ended higher. (A whopping 0.04, no less!)

      The fact of the matter is, they're getting incredibly little money from licensing, they're having to continually meet payroll of their existing staff AND their lawyers, and the number of lawyers can't be decreasing if they continue to add lawsuits, without having won a judgement on a single suit yet. If they win a suit, which I seriously doubt will happen, their cash-flow problems will dramatically improve, but let's face it, a judgement in favour of SCO is, at a minimum, months away, if ever. It's far more likely to be against SCO.

      Then there's the little rumour that the SEC is starting an investigation, which does wonders for their stock price.

      Kierthos

      --
      Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
    3. Re:No surprises here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it kinda looks like the Northern Australian Continent already.

      It's expected to go straight down then left by next year, then back where it started.

  18. Put an href in it, son. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put the a href= tag in, it doesn't take that long and you can do it in text mode thusly. The really interesting thing is comparing the volume of trades with the price. You can almost smell the desperation, can't you?

  19. Perhaps by buying a license....... by MrIrwin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    .....making it known and getting all that negative karma, you gain the right to sue SCO when it all caves in.

    We know SCO will go under but there will be possibilities of suing the companies who have been financing SCO to do this.

    OTOH, thinking about how much IBM are likely to hammer SCO and thier backers for them I don't think there will be anything left even in the upper layers of the pyramid;-)

    --

    And if you thought that was boring you obviously havn't read my Journal ;-)

    1. Re:Perhaps by buying a license....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely their contracts contain a clause which says "you may not sue us if it turns out our IP is not in Linux".

  20. READ for THE FINAL sco OUTCOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    I think it will happen like the movie Contact. The first "machine" blew to shit and then Hadley phones from space and tells Ellie there is another machine. (Why buy one when you can have two for twice the cost?)

    I think Linus will disappear for about 8 months, and then one day he will email us all from space, with a replacement operating system for us to use:
    "Linux is gone, it is SCO's, we will now use the Mannix operating system."

    Did you know that Hadley, in the movie "Contact" was also Olivander from Harry Potter, and get this... he was Kane in Alien, the guy who had an alien jump out of his stomach.

    1. Re:READ for THE FINAL sco OUTCOME by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Godammit! I waited through that whole movie to see the alien, and it was just Linus!

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  21. one Aussie organization has already signed up by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, but do they know they've signed up? Sneaking a free license onto the end of a contract doesn't exactly make your case, does it, Darl?

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    If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
  22. They're worse than my little sister, by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

    they just keep going and going, it's not like they even are right or harmed by anything, and they almost certainly know they are going to lose, but they just keep harassing and harassing... on principle. What is it that these people get for scamming all those people? a pittance? They're a common stock company! not some spamming script kiddie in mama's garage.

  23. Give Kieran a call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    If SCO keeps going with trying to get UNIX licenses in Australia they should be prepared to face the ACCC.


    And prepared to face us.


    Give Kieran (SCO AUS CEO) a call or email and let him know what you think (politely)


    His voicemail is answering at the moment - 'I am away from my desk' but he will listen to your message as soon he gets back'


    Haven't tried his mobile yet....


    Kieran O'Shaughnessy
    Regional General Manager ANZ
    The SCO Group
    Level 11, 56 Berry Street
    North Sydney NSW 2060
    Australia
    Tel +61 2 9440 7577
    Fax +61 2 9440 7588
    Mob 0419 66 00 16
    email kierano at sco.com
    web www.sco.com

    1. Re:Give Kieran a call by Darth+Coder · · Score: 1

      The SCO Group
      Level 11, 56 Berry Street
      North Sydney NSW 2060
      Australia


      Damn! There goes the neighbourhood!

      --
      The ability to monopolize a planet is insignificant next to the power of the source.
  24. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  25. Unjustified Threats by plgs · · Score: 5, Informative

    Luckily, we have s202 of the Copyright Act which says that it's illegal in Australia to make groundless threats of legal proceedings. That is, you cannot say "buy a licence or I'll sue you" unless you are really in a position to sue and win. We also have a "loser pays winner's costs" rule in litigation, which means that once you've started to sue, you cannot discontinue without being ordered to pay the other side's costs.

    1. Re:Unjustified Threats by sir_cello · · Score: 1


      That's certainly a nice bit of law, but I'm not sure those "groundless threats" provisions will apply here. For them to apply, you really have to show that the organisation concerned was reasonably knowledgeable that it had no grounds to make the claims, and it made the claims in a clearly threatening way. It doesn't seem as though SCO could meet that test, despite the fact they might use stronly worded letters, and eventually lose the dispute in the US.

      What should occur is that if anyone does pay for licenses, then keep a record of all costs involved: when SCO does lose, then a class action to recover those costs would work nicely (assuming they aren't bankrupt by then).

    2. Re:Unjustified Threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA has that too, it's called barratry. In a lawsuit-happy country, though, nobody seems to take action when utterly groundless lawsuits take place.

    3. Re:Unjustified Threats by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Luckily, we have s202 of the Copyright Act which says that it's illegal in Australia to make groundless threats of legal proceedings.

      If your legal system is based on English common law, which seems to almost certainly be the case given Australia's history, then such threats would be illegal anyway without the copyright act.

    4. Re:Unjustified Threats by HiThere · · Score: 1

      They aren't going to last that long. They plan to be bankrupt before the trial. That way the FUD never gets resolved.

      The only hope I see is if IBM manages to make Canopy (or MS) liable for what is ostensibly SCOX's misdeeds. There are good grounds for this, but whether they are good enough is yet to be seen.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  26. Other cases probably thrown out by bangular · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't see a judge reasonably going through with another SCO case while there is pending litigation with the IBM case. It would make sense that the IBM case would set precedent and all other cases obide by that ruling. That is of course unless new substantial evidence comes out.

    I think SCO's had it's day in the media. The last hold out's where the mainstream media and for the most part they've just stopped reporting about it. Their stock is at 1/3 of what it peaked at over the year. Sharply down since demcember (which funny enough is about the same time the judge ordered them to actually show the court offending code). SCO isn't going to end in a bust, but in a fizzle. And that process has been in the works for a few months now.

    1. Re:Other cases probably thrown out by mezelf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the other hand, winning the IBM case (if SCO were to win it) will take a lot of time and money. Since revenue from sales and licenses might not be enough for SCO to survive that period, they need something else. And winning cases mights just be their only option.

      At the same time, if a few judges (anywhere in the world) might go with SCO, it might give them some form of platform of precedents to use in other cases (like he IBM one). And they might need something extra, because it isn't really lokking good at the moment (most of their arguments having been knocked down by the Linux community and people like the ones behind Groklaw).

      In short, this might be a (desperate?) attempt to find some quick revenue and regain some lost momentum. But I don't think it will have any result.

    2. Re:Other cases probably thrown out by weierstrass · · Score: 1
      At the same time, if a few judges (anywhere in the world) might go with SCO, it might give them some form of platform of precedents to use in other cases (like he IBM one).

      Or even just convince a few more people to buy licences, and keep them going until the court case.

      --
      my password really is 'stinkypants'
    3. Re:Other cases probably thrown out by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1
      I can't see a judge reasonably going through with another SCO case while there is pending litigation with the IBM case.

      My guess is that they can *file* as many as they want. But yes, I think no Judge is going to rule until the IBM case is done.

      --
      "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
  27. Four words for SCO... by fpga_guy · · Score: 3, Funny
    In the finest Australian tradition:

    How's "get fucked" sound?

    Yeah yeah contractions blah blah

    1. Re:Four words for SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer "get a dog up ya, ya bloody wanker"

  28. Who would have the day woud come by prash_n_rao · · Score: 0

    SCO Seeks Licenses Down Under.
    They are attacking Satan Himself. Anyway, why are they under the impression the "people down under" would use linux? I do believe they are running pirated version of SCO Unix. Of course, not having worked for SCO, I do not have first-hand information on what software people of the nether-world would use.

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    This is not my sig.
    1. Re:Who would have the day woud come by prash_n_rao · · Score: 1

      Yikes... the title should have been: Who would have thought the day would come.

      --
      This is not my sig.
    2. Re:Who would have the day woud come by andreMA · · Score: 3, Funny
      I think you have it backwards. I've had the dubious privilege of running OpenServer; my theory is that it came from Hell, so it being pirated to Hell seems unlikely.

      Perhaps DarlCo is infringing Satans' IP? Probably not a smart move for someone who asserts devout faith. But Darl never was the sharpest crayon in the box...

  29. What sales??? by shadowtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    Last week, he was fairly certain at least one sale had been completed, but would not comment on how many more were in the pipeline. "The first sale may well have gone through, but I'm not going to comment on each and every sale," Mr O'Shaugnessy said.

    Fairly certain? may well have gone through?

    You'd think the SCO Australia-New Zealand general manager would have more of an idea if they'd made a sale.

    With all the money Microsoft has raised for them they should be able to afford a decent accounts department. After all, its the only income they're going to see in this country for a while.

    $AUD999... doesn't even buy their legal team breakfast.

    1. Re:What sales??? by criscooil · · Score: 1
      Fairly certain? may well have gone through?

      That's the trouble with lying. Its so hard to keep your story straight.

      --

      My life is an open book ... up to a point.

    2. Re:What sales??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably a little nervous about admitting they've duped unsuspecting companies into buying their phoney license.

  30. Of course by ttys00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course SCO is going to try its luck in Australia. If our companies are anywhere near as keen to bend over for their American counterparts as our government, SCO will make a fortune down here. After all, our Prime Minister was only too happy to say to Bush "I'll have a ridiculously restricted FTA and with a side order of DMCA please".

    1. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      our Prime Minister was only too happy to say to Bush

      So? Beings friends with the most powerful nation (politically, economically and militarily) in the world is a wise course of action. Pick a fight with the USA over a group of juvenile malcontents?

      John Howard has my total support in this matter.

    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So where are the WMDs?

    3. Re:Of course by ttys00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Beings friends with the most powerful nation (politically, economically and militarily) in the world is a wise course of action.

      When you are an insignificant foreign country, doing business with the US govt is like having dinner with Mike Tyson: you can expect to be raped.

    4. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you are an insignificant foreign country, doing business with the US govt is like having dinner with Mike Tyson: you can expect to be raped.

      Sure, but that's equally true if you choose not to do business with the US government as well. They're rapists through and through.

  31. Monopoly or Pictures of money by arduous · · Score: 0

    So does SCO want me to send them a picture of $999, or do they want me to send them two $500 monopoly notes?

    And if I give them the monopoly notes, they had better give me my $1 change!!

    (Yes I am an Aussie)

    --
    "It's the smell! If there is such a thing." Agent Smith - The Matrix
  32. Re:Publicity Stunt By Linux Geeks by MrEcho.net · · Score: 1

    You must have been brain washed by M$ or something is really wrong with you.

    Why I switched? : Runs better, doesnt crash, more/better security, you can do a LOT more with it. Most software I uesed in Winblows I would have had to payfor - linux most of it is free and works better.

    rightnow: cpu 0% , ram 78MB , swap 0% (KDE with a bunch of stuff running)
    sure as hell cant do that with windows.

  33. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    You're using a pirated copy of Windows. I'm using a fully-licenced copy of Linux.

    Which one of us is the cunt?

  34. YRO: Slashdot posts AU flamebait article.... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

    ....during peak of activity in AU timezone.

    'nuff said?

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    1. Re:YRO: Slashdot posts AU flamebait article.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So you'd rather have Slashdot posting AU related articles when the Aussies are sleeping?

      What's your point anyway?

    2. Re:YRO: Slashdot posts AU flamebait article.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (banner revenue)

    3. Re:YRO: Slashdot posts AU flamebait article.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And?

      Is there something wrong with that?

  35. Did you know? Get this! by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Did you know that Hadley, in the movie "Contact" was also Olivander from Harry Potter, and get this... he was Kane in Alien, the guy who had an alien jump out of his stomach.
    No, really?
    Did you know that he also played Caligula in "I, Claudius", and get this... he played other roles in other movies, as well (like "Spaceballs").
    Did you know that other actors in "Contact" played roles in other movies, plays, and get this... TV shows.
    Did you know that some nutcase wrote to Jodie Foster (the star of "Contact") and get this... he later shot a US president.
    Did you know that the movie "Contact" sucked compared to the book, and get this... in the book, several people rode the machine.

    Did you know that people with names other than "Hadley" have been to space, and get this... they have also talked to people on the Earth.

    Did you know that there was a TV show named "Mannix", and get this... Mannix's secretary was a former Miss America.

    Did you know that some people post the most stupid things to Slashdot, and get this... other people post equally stupid responses.

    ...

    Oh, wait...
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    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
    1. Re:Did you know? Get this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh.
      Some moderators have no sense of humor.

  36. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the land down under, pobody's nerfect.

  37. I must wake up... by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    I just... don't.. get it. How the hell can SCO just keep going after these random people? And what are they trying to do? Threaten them into buying licenses to shit they don't own? That's the only way they are going to be making money anyhow.

    Let's see... who all is on SCO's list. IBM, Redhat, Novell, AT&T, BellSouth, Daimler-Chrysler, AutoZone, The Feds, Jesus, and who else did I forget? I don't see where SCO is getting the money for all of this. Wait, nevermind, yes I do. Microsoft.

    --
    "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
    1. Re:I must wake up... by goatan · · Score: 1
      I just... don't.. get it. How the hell can SCO just keep going after these random people? And what are they trying to do? Threaten them into buying licenses to shit they don't own? That's the only way they are going to be making money anyhow.

      That's the American way doesn't matter if your product exists as long as you can make money out of it

      --
      Saying Apple is better than MS is like saying Botulism is better than rabies.

  38. I said, "Do you speak-a my language?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    He just smiled and gave me a vegemite sandwich
    And he said,

    "I come from a land down under
    Where beer does flow and men chunder
    Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
    You better run, you better pay your $699 licensing fee, you cocksmoking teabagger.

    1. Re:I said, "Do you speak-a my language?" by Jonathan+Platt · · Score: 1

      I thought it was funny... No non aussie would get it, not even sure if all aussies would.

      It's a song... bah... just read the links.
      1
      2

      --


      VENI, VIDI, VICI, DIXI
    2. Re:I said, "Do you speak-a my language?" by cranos · · Score: 1

      "Out on the patio, we sit.
      And the humidity we sip Watching SCO burn like the dogs they are
      This is Australia"
      Yes I know it doesn't parse but hell its late and I've been dealing with users all day who insist on infecting their machines with f**king netsky!

  39. Please learn how to use links. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Please learn how to use links.
    <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l= off&z=m&q=l&c=">SCO stock</a>
    yields: SCO stock
  40. SCO meets Crocodile Dundee by Aexia · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You call *that* a lawsuit? Now *this*, *this* is a lawsuit!"

    1. Re:SCO meets Crocodile Dundee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you've played knifey, spooney before mate ...tie me SCO down sport.

    2. Re:SCO meets Crocodile Dundee by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Are you referring to a racketeering or an extortion countersuit?

      --
      When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
    3. Re:SCO meets Crocodile Dundee by stor · · Score: 1

      I think he's talking a knife.

      Or Steve Irwin.

      Both are bloody dangerous, mate.

      *sings* Put another SCO on the barbie!

      Cheers
      Stor

      --
      "Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
    4. Re:SCO meets Crocodile Dundee by goatan · · Score: 1

      Ah yeh This is a mcbride not as dangerous as is claimed but they get really cranky when you start talking about there IP. Now what im going to do is install Linux on my laptop got to do this carefully or it could really piss him off.

      --
      Saying Apple is better than MS is like saying Botulism is better than rabies.

  41. Drinking during the week? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Dude, you've got a problem with alcohol!

    Get help!

  42. Please learn how to teach people how to use links. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Please learn how to teach people how to use links.
    Please learn how to use links.<ecode><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l= off&z=m&q=l&c=">SCO stock</a></ ecode>yields: <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l= off&z=m&q=l&c=">SCO stock</a>
    (sans some extraneous spaces) yields:
    Please learn how to use links.
    <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l= off&z=m&q=l&c=">SCO stock</a>
    yields:SCO stock
  43. TROLL! MOD DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent is "click my links"-troll. Mod down.

  44. SCO's intentions reach beyond Earth by The+Saint+(ST) · · Score: 1

    How about this: After the evidence for life in Mars, SCO is questioning weather the particular life form is intelligent and if it uses Linux.

  45. Below 6.75 for 20 days, according to this article by expro · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this article in the Salt Lake Tribune, it needs to stay below 6.75 for 20 consecutive days. A little over a dollar to go. Buyback could be used to try to make a bounce, but I would hope that the threat of 6.75 would cause the stock to dip enough in anticipation once it is in the neighborhood and so the buyback is just throwing away more money.

  46. SCO's form of 2-up !. by openmtl · · Score: 3, Informative
    SCO toss letters to companies. Chances are someone will send back a cheque just like various drongos send off moolah for 419 scams, "International Directories", non-State controlled lotteries, or domain name registration services or non-existant eBay auctions.

    SCO are simply forum shopping. When they get a bite then Darl cracks a fat saying how some Aussie wuss fell for it.

    You gotta call SCO's bluff mates. They have never asked anyone to remove any SCO code from the Linux source tree because it just isn't there.

    ps: My first car was a Holden (Just Hold'in Together) Premier V8 so please forgive me !.

    --

    1. Re:SCO's form of 2-up !. by Ugmo · · Score: 1

      ... Chances are someone will send back a cheque just like various drongos send off moolah for 419 scams,......When they get a bite then Darl cracks a fat saying how some Aussie wuss fell for it.

      As far as I know Slashdot does not have an official language but, generally speaking, posts are made in English.

      Can babelfish translate whatever this is to American? :)

    2. Re:SCO's form of 2-up !. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I found it understandable except for:
      1) drongos (== mad dog?)
      2) cracks a fat (== a sloppy fart?)

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    3. Re:SCO's form of 2-up !. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol..

      A drongo is a gullible idiot..

      Crack a fat.. get an erection, I thought this one actually came from America in the first place :P

  47. if they come knocking.. by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    send them packing like the shysters they are. I know my company will

    --
    If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
  48. Why wait for the US? Germany didn't by NKJensen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why wait for a broken system to produce an answer?

    Germany told SCO to shut up or bring in some evidence. The aussies should do the same.

    It's still a mystery to me how the US legal systems works (or doesn't work)

    --
    -- From Denmark
    1. Re:Why wait for the US? Germany didn't by surprise_audit · · Score: 2, Informative

      IANAL, but I think the difference is that the German legal system has mechanisms in place to do what they did, whereas the US legal system doesn't. How AU compares, I don't know.

  49. Re:You mean... by gareth6889 · · Score: 0

    i run bizzarro linux :D

  50. Wait for US? Why? by anothy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...I think its time for the ACCC to say to SCO 'wait for the U.S outcomes before taking action here.
    um, what? why? one country's legal system shouldn't be beholden to another's. this is true regardless of the outcome. SCO shouldn't have to wait to start sending out licenses or lawsuits in any jurisdiction outside the US - and every other country should have to wait to say "bugger off!" or the nearest local equivalent. why the hell is the US legal system some sort of benchmark for the world?
    (asked by an american)
    --

    i speak for myself and those who like what i say.
    1. Re:Wait for US? Why? by Quelain · · Score: 1

      I suppose the claims made by SCO are going to be tested in the case against IBM, a US company, so US courts will make a decision on that issue. I'm sure an Australian court could ignore that decision if they had reason to, but it makes sense to see how it goes first.

      Of course, SCO should be waiting until that case is resolved of their own accord before they start on their licensing scam, but I'm sure they know that.

      I think it would be more a matter of the ACCC telling SCO to bugger off until they have some evidence to back up their claims. When the IBM case shows they have none, the ACCC can tell them to bugger off fullstop.

      (answered by an Aussie =)

      --
      Cthulhu loves you.
    2. Re:Wait for US? Why? by Secrity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am not a lawyer and I agree with you in principle. I also believe that there should be laws similar to the German law that essentially says "put up or shut up". In this case, it is not a matter of waiting for a US court to decide whether Linux contains SCO's IP, it is a matter of waiting for a US court to decide whether SCO even owns the IP at all. I believe that the US has jurisdiction in deciding who owns the copyright for Unix System V code. After that decision is made, then let the lawsuits (against SCO) begin!

    3. Re:Wait for US? Why? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      one country's legal system shouldn't be beholden to another's. this is true regardless of the outcome

      I'm confused on this issue... but ownership of the IP in question is being disputed by American companies, it would make sense for the ACCC to wait for the courts to establish ownership before making the valued judgement of whether they have any evidence to support their request for license fees for their property. Also... why waste your own nations money on something that is little more then a Jerry Springard style dispute when you can just wait it out till someone is willing to put something on paper who owns what. SCO owns something, frankly I don't think anyone is sure what the hell they own, I don't they are even sure.

      The German rulling I feel says nothing about any evidence SCO may or may not have... as near as I'm aware they just didn't provide any. Could mean they don't have any or don't want to share anything.

      Would you want to spend any resources actually figuring out who owns what when you have this long chain of AT&T -> Novel -> SCO, let alone the whole AT&T / BSD mess. Hell I wouldn't.

      --
      There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
    4. Re:Wait for US? Why? by zsau · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because, good sir, Australia is not the world. Australia is the fifty-first, -second, -third, -forth, -fifth and -sixth states. Haven't you noticed our collection of arse-licking Prime Ministers over the years?

      --
      Look out!
    5. Re:Wait for US? Why? by Mister+Proper · · Score: 1

      I think it's not at all because those lawsuits are taking place in the US, rather it's because the US happens to be the place where the SCO lawsuits will take place first.

    6. Re:Wait for US? Why? by Jaysyn · · Score: 0

      Jerry Springer + Retard = Jerry Springard :)

      Jaysyn

      --
      There is a war going on for your mind.
  51. Why is this under "your rights online"? by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SCO are not the law. On the contrary - it seems their business is extortion. They're certainly guilty of massive copyright infringement - distributing hundreds (thousands?) of software packages to thousands (hundreds?) of customers without a license (since they rejected the GPL).

    There should really be a section for "Corporate crime" or something along these lines. Posting this as a YRO makes it appear like the law is on SCO's side.

    P.S. Another SCO Linux licensee? We should really start referring to any companies that fall for this scam as SCOXsuckers.

    1. Re:Why is this under "your rights online"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US legal system has been built by lawyers for lawyers. The longer things take and the more cases are dragged into/allowed into the court, the more money the lawyers can pocket, that's all. Ask yourself how many politicans have benn lawyers or have at least sudied law in their previous life. It's time for the "looser pays all costs" rule to be established, so that people actually start to think before sueing.

  52. They haven't proved ownership by Steven+Reddie · · Score: 3, Informative
    ...as the ACCC were waiting for the results of the lawsuits in the US before making any judgement

    This is the whole point. It hasn't been proven that they own any IP in Linux. Novell have stated that SCO didn't even aquire ownership of what they claim to own. A respectable company would prove such things before pursuing users. Respectable, SCO is not.

    1. Re:They haven't proved ownership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SCO is just another worm with connections to Microsoft.

    2. Re:They haven't proved ownership by Open_Sauce · · Score: 1

      ...and if they do prove ownership, they have an obligation to cover their own licence fee: By purchasing the SCO eDesktop 2.4 product in Australia, I am entitled to certain consumer protections from the manufacturer if I follow the instructions ("modify, distribute") that come with it. Of course, companies selling products with instructions are allowed to make mistakes, but they must recall the product via the usual channels AND they do hold some responsibility for the damage caused by consumers using their product in the interim. The 'damage' in this case is undisclosed license fees.

  53. Re:Is Bush a board member of SCO? by chendo · · Score: 1

    Oka- Well, shit. I just posted.

    I'm sure someone else would be happy to mod you down.

    --
    Founder of Mirror Moon - Tsukihime Game Trans
  54. Linux Licenses for what exactly? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
    Are these licenses for the SCO "IP" in the Linux kernel?

    That would be what? The SCO code that may or may not be in BSD but which they haven't shown? The SCO libraries that SCO think are being copied into Linux in order for a certain auto company to have made their leap fast enough? The System V code that isn't in Linux? The System V code that isn't in Linux over which there's dubious copyright? The code that SCO hasn't shown? The code that SCO has shown that was shown to be obfuscated public domain code (or was it GPL?)? The code that SCO has happily put into the GPL? The code that IBM have added to AIX that was already in OS2?

    I know, it's the last possible case - the code that IBM have added to AIX (and IBM own) over which SCO may or may have contract rights (pretty unlikely) in terms of trade secrets. That would be code that can AFAIK be legally put into Linux, where the claim is a contract claim only.

  55. Re:SCO could probably make some real... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely you mean Kylie Minogue? What a piece of ass.

  56. Re:What problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's loser talk. Stay away from the bottle, man. It destroys people.

  57. corepirate nazi bullshipping industrIE going DOWn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's right. the daze of the execrabilious felons from upon the pacific crest annex of wall street of deceit, is WANing into coolapps/the abyss, at the speed of newclear power.

    lookout bullow.

    consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... get ready to cooperate with/take care of, each other.

    tell 'em robbIE?

  58. I am by DrSkwid · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    It's licensed

    jesus fucking h christ, it's in the story title fucknuts

    --
    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    1. Re:I am by Forge · · Score: 3, Funny

      As a person with serious Dyslexia issues, a particular spelling being used in the article title on slashdot doesn't in any way indicate that it's a correct spelling.

      I.e. You can do just as well by guessing.

      --
      --= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
    2. Re:I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Not in the UK it isn't. Webster got it wrong and now the rest of the English speaking world has to put up with you yanks complaining whenever things are spelt properly. Pathetic behaviour!

    3. Re:I am by DrSkwid · · Score: 1


      In that case, someone needs to tell the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

      --
      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    4. Re:I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a civil servant couldn't spell. I usually use dictionaries when I want to look up words and the DVLA when I want to make an alteration to my driving licence. One could do it the other way around, but I'm not sure the police would accept a document issued by Collins dictionary. They would, however, accept this definition : http://www.wordreference.com/english/definition.as p?en=licenced

    5. Re:I am by DrSkwid · · Score: 1



      If you knew how to use a dictionary you would know that licence is a noun and license is a verb.

      One would license you and issue you with a licence to produce on demand.

      Thus one is licensed when one can produce a licence.

      Get it yet?

      --
      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  59. Why wait? by stm2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Personally I think its time for the ACCC to say to SCO 'wait for the U.S outcomes before taking action here.'


    I don't think so. Even if the outcome is favorable to SCO in the US (I doubt it, but lets suppouse it just for the sake of the argument). The US court ruling doesn't apply to other independent countries.

    --
    DNA in your Linux: DNALinux
    1. Re:Why wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US court ruling doesn't apply to other independent countries

      That's not what the US says! :o)

      (US Senator just challenged Bush to "engage" the EU, for the "blatant attack" on the US economy - the $614M USD fine against MS. The reason? MS is being dealt with under US law.)

  60. It was on the 2000 olympic closing ceremony by donscarletti · · Score: 1
    Men at Work's hit song "Down Under" was performed at the closing ceremony of the 2000 Olympic games. Of cause I found that ceremony terribly anticlimactic and frankly nauseating, but surely some foreigners who were too drunk/stoned/tired/bored to turn it off sat through it. It involved some weird cube being played with while the song was on or something if I remember correctly.

    Also, I am pretty sure that it was on the soundtrack to "Coming to America" with Eddie Murphy, who knows why, maybe Zamunda is in the southern hemisphere (as is most of Africa I guess).

    While we are on the topic of Africa, has anyone noticed how the Caldera logo (although clearly a stylised C) looks like a globe, centered on the worlds most financially ruined continent? (irrelevant, possibly offensive but nonetheless ominous).

    And now I mention Olympics. This isn't the first time some dirty scoundrels from Utah have used dishonest tactics to manipulate an institution that was set up to promote peace, love and fair play is it?

    --
    When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
  61. Could it be ... by Jesrad · · Score: 1

    ... that Microsoft was eager to cast the lawsuits themselves, but had so much less useable "evidence" as SCO to do it ?

    I wonder if, in a kind of "last resort" move, they could buy out SCO and pursue the legal actioins themselves, but then they'd need to really believe these could end in their favor, and I doubt it. Maybe that's why they went with such a trojan horse as SCO ? Less effective as press releases go (imagine the taglines: "MS sues Linux companies", "Linux plundered Windows code ?" etc...) but more "credible" on the legal side - as in, the case wasn't thrown out by the judge yet.

    In any case, we should all watch out for the next attack. There's only one thing MS won't do to attack Linux, it is to try subverting the code base by "infecting" it with their own IP, because it'd backfire.

    --
    Maybe we deserve this world ?
  62. Re:No, your little sister is better by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

    Soviet Russia? she sure gets around. You could save the trip and just go to Florida, she'll do it there for a pittance.

  63. Re:SCO could probably make some real... by goatan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Why oh why won't sco try this in the UK I would love to see the press reaction to this they would tear SCO and McBride apart.

    I don't mean to say that the papers have a clue about computers they would have a go at them just because it was an American company trying to sue UK one's

    --
    Saying Apple is better than MS is like saying Botulism is better than rabies.

  64. SCO attempting to sue FreeBSD users by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    SCO Seeks Licenses Down Under.
    They are attacking Satan Himself. Anyway, why are they under the impression the "people down under" would use linux? I do believe they are running pirated version of SCO Unix. Of course, not having worked for SCO, I do not have first-hand information on what software people of the nether-world would use.


    And nwo the little demon gets SCO inflicted on him as well? Man, even he doesn't deserve that.

  65. Breaking news... by niittyniemi · · Score: 1


    AP 2004:03:24:
    In a court decision that has sent the showbusiness world reeling,
    a Californian court has ruled that the issues of whether the
    "King of Pop" Michael Jackson's surgically enhanced features
    contain the intellectual property of a small Utah based software
    group needs further investigation.

    The court has ordered that the King of Pop's nose, ears and other
    body parts have to be submitted to the court for analysis by a
    court appointed expert. It is contended by the software group,
    SCO, that it's intellectual property was used in the creation of
    the body parts and that it requires a license from Mr. Jackson
    for him to use each part.

    As news of the court's decision reached Hollywood, hundreds of
    celebrities and many others with faces like brutalised rectums
    were reported as getting ready to leave the country.

    Mr. Jackson was unavailable for comment as he's in hiding, in
    jail or visiting his local kindergarten.

    --
    The Machine stops.
  66. Sue SCO for fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think all linux users should now sue SCO for damages and fraud.

  67. Re:Publicity Stunt By Linux Geeks by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    Yes, all that *sounds* nice, but you lose Bonzi Buddy functionality.

  68. Doh by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    "SCO Seeks Licenses Down Under"

    Sorry Darl, when I told you where you could stick the license, I meant that figuratively.

    --
    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:Doh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If ever there was a chance to moderate a comment past 5, this would be deserving...

  69. And while we wait by Felinoid · · Score: 1

    And while we wait we can use a "safe" Unix environment. (Safe from SCO)
    That would be.. ummmm Ohh I know.. SCO Unix.. Yeah.
    Well show those SCO bastards and switch to SCO Unix. Bet they won't see that comming.

    PS. Yes I'm kidding.

    --
    I don't actually exist.
    1. Re:And while we wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well show those SCO bastards and switch to SCO Unix.

      And for those of you -- like Darl McBride -- who believe that the GPL gives you a license to run OpenServer, you can download your free copy here:

      ed2k://|file|SCO.OpenServer.5.0.7.iso|320018480|AE BC43C40D91156F8A6767D275733228|/

      Personally, I wouldn't bother. I'm astonished they can even give this piece of shit away, never mind sell the thing.

      Oh yeah, they can't, can they. That's why they're moving into the litigation business in a desperate hope to get a revenue stream -- any revenue scheme.

      Incidentally, I see that their stock has fallen through the floor over the last week or so. Most of the employees and directors have already dumped their holdings, so it's Mission Accomplished as far as they're concerned.

      Meanwhile, you're paying for this scam via your pension fund, unit trusts, etc. etc. So if you could find any use at all for OpenServer, I'd feel free to download it.

      But after running it for more than five minutes, I can guarantee you'll do what all their customers have been doing -- ie, dump the ugly piece of shit and go back to Linux.

  70. tux by FraggedSquid · · Score: 0

    couldn't give a scox for anything else

    --
    You don't need a lab to make mud.
  71. Apologies by amigoro · · Score: 1
    To you an all the other posters.

    I didn't mean to say that a Linux programmer coded the virus. I thought it was done by someone who had a grudge against SCO, to make the who SCO vs Linux case to the main stream media.

    But I do see your points. I hereby solemnly withdraw the section of my comment regarding MyDoom.

    --


    Nothing to see here
  72. Kieran O'Shaugnessy - Austin Powers character ? by Forge · · Score: 1

    Kieran O'Shaugnessy

    Am I the only one seeing this as a character for the next Austin Powers movie?

    PS: RTFA. It's there.

    --
    --= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
  73. All part of the master plan... by Finsterwald+P+Ogleth · · Score: 1

    SCO's idea here, probably fully supported by financiers (no names please) is initiaite as many suits as possible. This results in hiring more lawyers (lawyers must be licensed/registered in a state/province/country in order to practice), who charge SCO money, which increases SCO's expenses.

    Increased expenses means SCO must pay the bill (either out of income, or retained cash). With literally zero income, it comes out of owner's equity, which is also shared with stock value.

    Are you with me so far? Good. When SCO spends all of the money, they go bankrupt. Sell of evrything they "own" (IP, source code, buildings, etc.). Court case with IBM, Redhat, Novell, DC, Autozone go away. With nothing resolved.

    Another fine company picks up the gambit, and assets of SCO, and refiles the claims, sells licenses to MS, for even more outlandish prices, and fights "the good fight", as Darl would say, for another two years. After which they go bankrupt as well.

    You think this is outlandish??? Please explain ENRON and WorldCom to me then. Tin foil hats aside, when someone brings up ethics and there are more than one businessman about, someone is going to get screwed.

    FPOglethorpe

  74. Wow... by emtboy9 · · Score: 1

    Thank God... I was beginning to have severe withdrawl symptoms without my regular dose of SCO silliness. I can now breathe easy and stop gouging long furrows in my arms.

    --
    "Our funds have never taken part in toxic or death spiral convertible financings of any sort" -BayStar's managing partne
  75. Why has there been no decision yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why has some judge not stopped SCO from persuing all these attempts at extortion? Does anyone know when some decision one way or the other will be made?

    1. Re:Why has there been no decision yet? by GooglyWoogly · · Score: 1

      Here you go......11 April 2005 to pull a date out of my scox....
      ilaw.com.au

  76. Re:Below 6.75 for 20 days, according to this artic by thogard · · Score: 3, Informative

    With some 30+% of their stock sitting on the table waiting for the roulette ball to fall, I can't see how anyone could consider this SCOX as a safe investment. Its appears that its owners are 46% insiders, 40% institutions and the rest is small investors playing games hopeing for the high margin options to go their way. When the equivalent of 15% of the share holders are betting on you going broke in the next few months, its not a good sign. It appears that options on SCO are something like 75 times more popular than options on Ford or MSFT.

  77. SCO sues ACCC - ACCC uses linux by GooglyWoogly · · Score: 1

    Some fun stuff to be had over at netcraft.
    The ACCC runs linux
    Also funny is that SCO lists McDonalds as a SCO licensee in their 5 reasons to use unix instead of linux ad, yet McDonalds.com.au chooses to use windows for its public site.

    I'm sure there's tons of other funny things to find, but its bedtime for this linux criminal. Thankfully being a criminal is something Australia considers a proud heritage, so I'm OK! ;)

    1. Re:SCO sues ACCC - ACCC uses linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and mcdonalds.com uses Solaris not sco Unix

    2. Re:SCO sues ACCC - ACCC uses linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      McDonalds uses UnixWare on their point of sale machines.

      I'm posting this from Windows. Does that mean if you check the netcraft survey on a domain I own its going to report Windows?

      Unit.

  78. This is a load of bull by dubdays · · Score: 1

    Personally I think its time for the ACCC to say to SCO 'wait for the U.S outcomes before taking action here.' Actually, they ought to grow some balls, make a decision, and stick it to these SCO suckers!

  79. Re:Below 6.75 for 20 days, according to this artic by thales · · Score: 1

    According to this Baystar Trigger it's 8.46 for 20 days. Yesterday was day two under the Bay Star Trigger price.

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  80. Re:What this Australian plans to do by Aldric · · Score: 1
    BTW, I plan on boycotting whoever bought a license.

    Well, that would depend whether the company in question knows that they have a Linux licence. Darl may have just sneaked it into a completely different contract again.

  81. The Outsourcing Myth Again??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of the jobs lost in the past 3 years in the US, 0.3% of them went overseas. The percentage in IT is higher, but not by a lot. Stop spreading myths and FUD just because a handful of (mostly low level) jobs have gone overseas.

    1. Re:The Outsourcing Myth Again??? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Ah, but look how much it's been mentioned in the news lately... the public perception is all that matters. If the perception is that the job market sucks (and it does) and that one of the reasons why is outsourcing, then it does influence whether people stay at crappy jobs or not.

      Reality doesn't matter so much as the perception of reality.

      Kierthos

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  82. That wouldn't make complete sense by roystgnr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would make sense that the IBM case would set precedent and all other cases obide by that ruling.

    Take a closer look at SCO's charges. Most of the complaints aren't copyright infringement, but contract violation. SCO isn't just saying "IBM isn't supposed to do that with our code!", they're saying "IBM isn't supposed to do that with their code!"

    I personally don't expect either claim to survive a trial, but it's theoretically possible for SCO to lose all of the copyright claims and win some of the contract claims, in which case they'd win some damages against IBM but they probably still wouldn't have any standing to sue third parties.

  83. Darl encounters Mick Dundee in a outback alley by paiute · · Score: 1

    Darl pulls out a legal document. Mick purses his lips in scorn.

    "Tha's nah a loy-since," he says. He whips out a copy of the GPL. "Tha's a loy-since!"

    Darl flees in terror.

    What tribe was that guy?

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  84. You know what I find ironic? by Caedar · · Score: 1

    Tommorow is the 1 year anniversary of their 52 week low, at $2.23 a share.

  85. That would not seem to be a negative for SCO by expro · · Score: 1

    According to the link, it seems to be at SCO's option, not a negative for SCO at all, right?

  86. Why? by Karem+Lore · · Score: 1

    Cause their filling up their coffers for the fight against IBM. If only one or two companies from 10 or so countries cough up this would give SCO a nice amount of $$$ to fight IBM who will trounce them anyway cause they'll just bleed SCO dry before they finish...ahhh, capitalism working for Linux...Makes a change...

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  87. I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that a lot of life passes you by, things always seem to be moving ahead to you for no reason, and you don't understand why other people think certain things are *so funny*.

  88. MyDundee Worm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it come in an email disguised as Rod Stewart?

  89. SCOX was down to 7.7 yesterday by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1

    They had to do something! This tidbit already got them $.04 per share!

  90. Re:Below 6.75 for 20 days, according to this artic by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
    With some 30+% of their stock sitting on the table waiting for the roulette ball to fall, I can't see how anyone could consider this SCOX as a safe investment. Its appears that its owners are 46% insiders, 40% institutions and the rest is small investors playing games hopeing for the high margin options to go their way.

    There appears to have been a lot of manipulation of the stock price by insiders: a big drop in price during the day is followed by incremental increases in the price just before close, so that the closing price doesn't look so bad. This is likely cooperative parties trading stock among themselves, with any losses being compensated under the table.

    That's why I don't think it wll say below the threshold for the requisite number of days: insiders will prop up the price. The average daily volume is so low that manipulation of the price is relatively easy.

    It appears that options on SCO are something like 75 times more popular than options on Ford or MSFT.

    No one has written any options on SCO. Try to find it in the following file:

    http://www.cboe.com/mktdata/CBOESymbolDir.csv

    However, the short interest is very high, meaning that investors have shorted the stock (i.e. sold borrowed stock at a high price, betting that they will be able to close their position at a lower purchas price). The last time I saw data for SCOX, the number of shares shorted was almost 3 times the average daily volume:

    http://www.viwes.com/invest/shorts/query.cgi?q=sco x

  91. Silly by seigel · · Score: 0, Redundant

    SCO won't tell us where the infringing code is, because they are afraid that we will remove it and remove all chance for them to make money!!!!

  92. The individuals by stimpleton · · Score: 1

    Of course the ozzies are waiting for their US parents to make a decision. Seems they don't do anything without the nod from the US these days.
    THey can't file their own action, lest it upsets washington.

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    1. Re:The individuals by CanadianMikey · · Score: 1

      What the &*^% are you talking about??? I think the Aussies can make up their own mind.

      And why wouldn't you let some other country fight it out before you worried about it?

      It makes sense to have a precedent before you go ahead with anything!!

  93. PARENT IS TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do not click on links. New GOATSE is on the rise. Props to the GNAA.

  94. SCO going after another victim by Geminus · · Score: 1

    Was their company's stock not bad enough? This reminds me of a Three Stooges episode: The three are rowing a small boat and Larry notices a hole that is leaking water. Moe slaps him, calls him a dummy and says, "knucklehead! Put a hole over there so the water can drain out!"

  95. SCO Targeting NASA by carn1fex · · Score: 1
    We NASA linux'ish employees had this in our inbox this morning:

    On March 11, 2004, the NASA Records Officer notified Center Records Managers about a lawsuit filed by SCO Group, Inc, asserting the "enterprise" use of Linux (R) operating system violates SCO's intellectual property rights in Unix technology. If court rulings are favorable to the SCO, there may be subsequent claims against Government agencies.

    Effective immediately, NASA is to preserve and prevent destruction of all records pertaining to the procurement and use of Linux (R) software per direction from the agency General Counsel and CIO. These records must be preserved until the NASA Headquarters, Office of General Counsel, lifts the destruction freeze.

    We are asking each Directorate to review its technical and contract records and identify any that may be relevant to the subject litigation. A record is defined as papers, reports, photographs, or any documentation used to record the work of your office regardless of the physical form. Records can be created by your office and/or document an action, activity, or decision taken by your office. If records are discovered, you are requested to segregate them and immediately notify Ms. Patricia Southerland, the GSFC Records Manager, at extension 6-7395, or by email at: Patricia.A.Southerland@nasa.gov.

    Your assistance is appreciated.

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    No matter how thin you slice it, its still baloney.

    1. Re:SCO Targeting NASA by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      Please contact me in my journal or at bax AT shepfamDOTnet

      PJ from Groklaw is interested in this email. You could contact her directly as well.

  96. Re: Kieran O'Shaugnessy - Austin Powers character by WTFmonkey · · Score: 1

    Damn it {drool}... Bridgid O'Shaugnessy in The Maltese Falcon. Mary Astor, right? Gotta watch that one again tonight.

  97. SCO cash balance = $4.78 per share by seeks2know · · Score: 1

    Based on the information reported on Yahoo Finance, SCO has a cash balance of $68.52M. If you divide this by the number of outstanding shares, this translates to $4.78 per share.

    So with their stock trading at about $7.70 per shares, the entire value of the rest of their assets, including their intellectual property rights (whatever they really own) is valued at only around $3.00 per share and dropping like a rock.

    I remember near the end of the dot com bubble when confidence was lown and many companies were burning cash so quickly that their total stock valuation was less than their available cash.

    I believe we may see SCO in the same position shortly.

  98. What about Linux developers?? by CanadianMikey · · Score: 1

    Have any of the wonderful people that have helped develop Linux over the years been offered any compensation from SCO for the license fees they have received so far?

    Let us speculate that some of SCOs code is actually in Linux. There would then still be lots of other code that would not belong to SCO. Are they planning on sharing their license fees with the many who have developed that code??

    I say for every dollar of license fees collected on Linux, Darl gets 1 penny, and the other developers get 99 cents which should be donated to anyone who has a pending trial with SCO over Linux.

    1. Re:What about Linux developers?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WAKE UP LINUX COMMUNITY

      When are you going to SUE SCO because they are licencing 9'998,000 lines of code into the 10 millions that are not their ?

    2. Re:What about Linux developers?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not licensing ALL of Linux, they're trying to license THEIR IP that is (supposedly) in Linux.

      Basically, you pay the license fee, you're allowed to use the compiled binaries of their code. Their libraries, etc.

      Not all of Linux.

  99. What can be the licence price of.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, lets say, in the worse of the cases, that ABI or any other little code came from SCO. (hum....)

    Is it worth to licence and make pay 100 USD for "your licenced linux" ?

    I mean... how many lines codes are those "sco IP" ? 100 ? 500 ? 1000 ? into 10 millions lines code ?

    How much can this cost ?

    So just because, they want to make a robbery to the 2000 linux coders and licence THEIR 9,998,000 lines of code ?

    WAKE UP LINUX COMMUNITY, make your rights scream !!!!!!

  100. PARENT IS TROLL. DO NOT CLICK LINKS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    check yourself before you wreck yourself.

    aaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

  101. I like this by IronBlade · · Score: 1

    I like this chart, showing the steadiness of IBM, the bubble of SCO and the growth of a real Linux company.

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  102. tell 'em they're dreamin by Gibbo · · Score: 1

    tell 'em they're dreamin

  103. AC/DC Foresaw SCO Group's Business Plan! by dreamsinter · · Score: 1
    DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP Lyrics



    [...]

    Here's what you gotta do -

    Pick up the phone

    I'm always home

    Call me any time

    Just ring

    36 24 36 hey [36 24 36 8]

    I lead a life of crime



    Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

    Dirty Deeds and they're Done Dirt Cheap



    In other news, the Aussie supergroups Regurgitator and Killing Heidi have joined together for a collaboration known as "Regurgitating Heidi"


    Film at 11.

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  104. Re:Four words for SCO... plus a few others... by Viper233 · · Score: 1
    Or maybe
    Why don't you go outside and play hide-and-go-fuck yourself!
    or if your from out west
    fuck the fucking fuckers!!

    ...in other news, potty-mouth toilet humour reachs new heights!!