Yeah, you hear people complain about popups and adds, then you suggest "Well, try Mozilla Firefox!" and they become obinstate and say, "But I like IE just fine!"... "But you were complaining about popups and ads..."
The Linux operating system, combined with AMD Opterons support for 32 and 64-bit x86 compatible computing, allows users to take advantage of a wide range of commercial and open-source applications.
y0 mommas are so ugly, when she walks into the bank they turn off the security cameras.
Well, to be fair, the article said installing the nVidia drivers was easier then it was in windows for SUSE. Thats pretty good if you ask me. Its just ATI that is acting badly when it comes to these drivers, if you read the article you'll see that basically all the problems where with ATI's crapware drivers.
That said, I have an ATI card in my laptop, and it runs relatively slowly compared to what it would have if I went with windows, but it was easy to setup and use. I think SUSE might be involved in a lot of those problems...
But really, yeah, gaming in linux isn't for the average person really unless he has an nVidia, then it really should not be too hard...
And as far as game developers go... its not their problem to make distros easy. They should just make it work on their machines and go from there. nVidia's basically proved that binary drivers can be done well on linux (and fuck you to the zealots trying to ruin it for the gamers by their constant bitching) and when ATI catches up -- and word is they are going to be doing a driver push soon -- things should be better.
Ok, so yeah, this won't be instantly winning the desktop war for us, but I mean, it is a step. If its an ISO standard then at least we have a nice proper ISO standard document format that we (all? mostly?) agree is a good solid format.
When someone says "Standard document format" we can say, "Oh, you mean, OO.o format?" even if its just to throw the name out into the userspace. In addition, it might push Microsoft into putting OO.o's format into office by the time their next release rolls by. That'd be nice, since, well, we wouldn't need MS Office document compatiblity then, really.
Eh. Seems to me you might care when you can fit more things at a higher quality. What are you complaining about exactly -- if you want something cooler, do more work and use MythTV. If your a luser who doesn't care about the quality or amount of his content, you can help MS empire to gain a strangle hold on the market and purchase their shit.
Why are you even on slashdot? Shouldn't a geek or nerd care about the codecs to even concider holding the title? --SD
Not sure. Honestly... do you think they can sue to get rid of the only real competition they have? I mean, they've always got the gov'ts eye on them now, and if they remove their only real desktop competitor.. what remains?
Cripes -- we'd all have to use Abiword, and after years of development that thing isn't even remotely stable.
I thought you were gonna call it bloatware, judging from the title. I was gonna be all like, "Mathafaku! Damn trolls! Damn you! Its less then 5 megs! What the hell do you want!"
How long did we have to wait for proper drivers? Not very long. I'm very pro free software... but I don't necessarily demand everyone subscribe to my philosophy.
nVidia's drivers work very well, and they support them well too. OSS drivers would be better, but saying that we got screw by nVidia for having to wait a short bit before upgrading to the latest kernels is complete and utter rubbish.
Don't forget these viruses would never be able to exploit boxes if not for the wicked authors peeking into the MS security updates. Those bastards, picking on poor MS.;(
And how do they count the number of users so annoyed that they go off the site and don't bother filling in the survey?... which is most certainly the vast majority of users since anyone who hates advertising is going to loath going to fill out some survey after having their computer hi-jacked for advertising bombardment.
Its really a nice setup, the company knows damn well that their stupid advertisments are annoying. And this poll is simply another advertisement.
Its so absurd, I mean, honestly, who likes the idea of suddenly being forced to watch a full length ad on their own computer. Its such a stupid position it almost makes me shocked that the guy can claim that people like it.
pbbt, that doesn't even come close to comparing. It took him two lines, and you a paragraph to describe what he did. Lets see, he types in a few commands (on a single line yet) and its done.
Now, I've never used ImageReady.. so if I'm off a bit forgive me.
You.. * create a history script... this doesn't require the keyboard does it? * need to use a sample image... seems like a kludge. * Export the script to something called a droplet.. instead of use it directly like imagemagick. * Set default options for file naming. * Now, you switch from ImageReady to explorer, drag the files into the droplet.
and all of this seems easier then just giving imagemagick a handful of commands? I bet the original poster could of done what he did fifty times in the space of time that you did what he did once.
I use a Mac, and I *know* how much memory OS X likes, and am under no illusions that 10.5 won't take as much!
"X" doesn't take up much memory at all. A negligable amount really. Its your desktop environments that soak up the megs. They really shouldn't be confused, because Gnome and KDE are big fat creatures -- DE's are entirely optional for most people. Granted, not on mac;) but a very large amount of people use smaller window managers (fluxbox, windowmaker, etc)..
Its a side point, but X isn't bloated, its the DE's, X shouldn't be blamed for their bad performance.
Check it out: Do you know what this is? It is the car version of the iMac. Seriously. Its an ugly fruity little feminine thing that no real man would ever want to touch with anything but a ten-foot pole, and only then maintenance it in exchange for sex.
Well, they did make a linux version once. But it ran with wine, and generally sucked and was unstable. After that peice of crap code they decided the real problem was linux and ditched it.
Now that Linux is taking off, if they made a real, native port it might do ok...
No matter guys, 2004 may not be so cool but thats ok... the Gentoo team is just taking a clue from Microsoft -- because it will be fixed in the next release: Gentoo XP!;)
Its not a matter of freeness in many ways, its a matter of longevity. The whole position we are taking here is that Java is going to get defeated by the cheaper and better advertised C# from MS. MS is of course, going to start hyping up C# soon, and no doubt bundling it as per usual. Java as it presently is going to lose to this, so we want it to be a permanent, true feature in the open source world where it will ride with our success.
There was an article in Linuxworld that summed it up nicely, let me see if I can find it.. well, I can't;(
But you get the idea from what I said above. OSS software is in many ways untouchable. I think this, and greatly lowering the costs of deployment, are mainly why it should be OSS.
Not to mention that Microsoft has a serious hate-on for GPL. They are not going to be happy looking like a pack of hypcrites using GPL'd software and spreading it around. They'll be loath to touch it with a ten foot pole.
And as the parent said, even if they did touch it -- no problem!
Hey -- Don't judge that possiblity to harshly, it might end up with Microsoft users getting stoned to death or burnt at the stake.
Oh sure, the Catholic Church did some lousy stuff back in their day, but I think getting rid of Microsoft would pretty much square up for anything they could have possibly done.
I don't know why this isn't obvious, but perhaps the person in question might like to run a 100% truly free OS on his computer? Perhaps they just like linux/bsd better?
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Yeah, you hear people complain about popups and adds, then you suggest "Well, try Mozilla Firefox!" and they become obinstate and say, "But I like IE just fine!" ... "But you were complaining about popups and ads..."
That is not easy to compete with.
--SD
--SD
100% linux-only gamer here. No windows anywhere on this machine (except wine ;) .. and no, it doesn't ask for a serial key ever.
Weird.
--SD
Well, to be fair, the article said installing the nVidia drivers was easier then it was in windows for SUSE. Thats pretty good if you ask me. Its just ATI that is acting badly when it comes to these drivers, if you read the article you'll see that basically all the problems where with ATI's crapware drivers.
That said, I have an ATI card in my laptop, and it runs relatively slowly compared to what it would have if I went with windows, but it was easy to setup and use. I think SUSE might be involved in a lot of those problems...
But really, yeah, gaming in linux isn't for the average person really unless he has an nVidia, then it really should not be too hard...
And as far as game developers go... its not their problem to make distros easy. They should just make it work on their machines and go from there. nVidia's basically proved that binary drivers can be done well on linux (and fuck you to the zealots trying to ruin it for the gamers by their constant bitching) and when ATI catches up -- and word is they are going to be doing a driver push soon -- things should be better.
We'll just wait and see what happens!
--SD
Ok, so yeah, this won't be instantly winning the desktop war for us, but I mean, it is a step. If its an ISO standard then at least we have a nice proper ISO standard document format that we (all? mostly?) agree is a good solid format.
When someone says "Standard document format" we can say, "Oh, you mean, OO.o format?" even if its just to throw the name out into the userspace. In addition, it might push Microsoft into putting OO.o's format into office by the time their next release rolls by. That'd be nice, since, well, we wouldn't need MS Office document compatiblity then, really.
--SD
Eh. Seems to me you might care when you can fit more things at a higher quality. What are you complaining about exactly -- if you want something cooler, do more work and use MythTV. If your a luser who doesn't care about the quality or amount of his content, you can help MS empire to gain a strangle hold on the market and purchase their shit.
Why are you even on slashdot? Shouldn't a geek or nerd care about the codecs to even concider holding the title?
--SD
Not sure. Honestly... do you think they can sue to get rid of the only real competition they have? I mean, they've always got the gov'ts eye on them now, and if they remove their only real desktop competitor.. what remains?
Cripes -- we'd all have to use Abiword, and after years of development that thing isn't even remotely stable.
--SD
I thought you were gonna call it bloatware, judging from the title. I was gonna be all like, "Mathafaku! Damn trolls! Damn you! Its less then 5 megs! What the hell do you want!"
;D
But then I read the post and I understood
--SD
Your a troll, pal.
How long did we have to wait for proper drivers? Not very long. I'm very pro free software... but I don't necessarily demand everyone subscribe to my philosophy.
nVidia's drivers work very well, and they support them well too. OSS drivers would be better, but saying that we got screw by nVidia for having to wait a short bit before upgrading to the latest kernels is complete and utter rubbish.
--SD
Hmm, I'm not sure, think we better Ask Jeeves?
Dropline isn't a fork. Where did you get that?
Its just packaged and made with slackware in mind, just like what redhat or suse or anyone else who ships gnome does.
Yes, I am a Dropline gnome user. Its just gnome.
--SD
GODDAMIT! I *KNEW* we shouldn't have used a bsd-inspired packaging system, now we are dying too! Argh! ;(
--SD
Since when did "13 Colonies" become unfashionable?
--SD
Don't forget these viruses would never be able to exploit boxes if not for the wicked authors peeking into the MS security updates. Those bastards, picking on poor MS. ;(
--SD
And how do they count the number of users so annoyed that they go off the site and don't bother filling in the survey? ... which is most certainly the vast majority of users since anyone who hates advertising is going to loath going to fill out some survey after having their computer hi-jacked for advertising bombardment.
Its really a nice setup, the company knows damn well that their stupid advertisments are annoying. And this poll is simply another advertisement.
Its so absurd, I mean, honestly, who likes the idea of suddenly being forced to watch a full length ad on their own computer. Its such a stupid position it almost makes me shocked that the guy can claim that people like it.
--SD
pbbt, that doesn't even come close to comparing. It took him two lines, and you a paragraph to describe what he did. Lets see, he types in a few commands (on a single line yet) and its done.
... this doesn't require the keyboard does it?
Now, I've never used ImageReady.. so if I'm off a bit forgive me.
You..
* create a history script
* need to use a sample image... seems like a kludge.
* Export the script to something called a droplet.. instead of use it directly like imagemagick.
* Set default options for file naming.
* Now, you switch from ImageReady to explorer, drag the files into the droplet.
and all of this seems easier then just giving imagemagick a handful of commands? I bet the original poster could of done what he did fifty times in the space of time that you did what he did once.
I'm at all convinced.
--SD
I use a Mac, and I *know* how much memory OS X likes, and am under no illusions that 10.5 won't take as much!
;) but a very large amount of people use smaller window managers (fluxbox, windowmaker, etc)..
"X" doesn't take up much memory at all. A negligable amount really. Its your desktop environments that soak up the megs. They really shouldn't be confused, because Gnome and KDE are big fat creatures -- DE's are entirely optional for most people. Granted, not on mac
Its a side point, but X isn't bloated, its the DE's, X shouldn't be blamed for their bad performance.
--SD
Check it out: Do you know what this is? It is the car version of the iMac. Seriously. Its an ugly fruity little feminine thing that no real man would ever want to touch with anything but a ten-foot pole, and only then maintenance it in exchange for sex.
Oh yes, I forsee things like this doing well.
--SD
Well, they did make a linux version once. But it ran with wine, and generally sucked and was unstable. After that peice of crap code they decided the real problem was linux and ditched it.
Now that Linux is taking off, if they made a real, native port it might do ok...
--SD
No matter guys, 2004 may not be so cool but thats ok... the Gentoo team is just taking a clue from Microsoft -- because it will be fixed in the next release: Gentoo XP! ;)
Its not a matter of freeness in many ways, its a matter of longevity. The whole position we are taking here is that Java is going to get defeated by the cheaper and better advertised C# from MS. MS is of course, going to start hyping up C# soon, and no doubt bundling it as per usual. Java as it presently is going to lose to this, so we want it to be a permanent, true feature in the open source world where it will ride with our success.
;(
There was an article in Linuxworld that summed it up nicely, let me see if I can find it.. well, I can't
But you get the idea from what I said above. OSS software is in many ways untouchable. I think this, and greatly lowering the costs of deployment, are mainly why it should be OSS.
--SD
Not to mention that Microsoft has a serious hate-on for GPL. They are not going to be happy looking like a pack of hypcrites using GPL'd software and spreading it around. They'll be loath to touch it with a ten foot pole.
And as the parent said, even if they did touch it -- no problem!
Hey -- Don't judge that possiblity to harshly, it might end up with Microsoft users getting stoned to death or burnt at the stake.
;)
Oh sure, the Catholic Church did some lousy stuff back in their day, but I think getting rid of Microsoft would pretty much square up for anything they could have possibly done.
--SD
I don't know why this isn't obvious, but perhaps the person in question might like to run a 100% truly free OS on his computer? Perhaps they just like linux/bsd better?
Geez...
--SD
The links dead ;(
/. a few years ago? ;P
Down for maintenence. Geez, that didn't last. This server that apache running atari we saw on