And you remind me of the people who are happy collecting taxes from the Tobacco industry to spend on your pet little projects and at the same time demonize them for selling legal products that people choose to use.
If you had any integrity, your would be pushing for the criminalization of tobacco and outlaw its use. But then, I would expect you would have the opposite opinion on pot.
And if you had any integrity, your would also be pushing for a huge expansion of nuclear power as it not only would drastically reduce the CO2 emissions, it also frees the world from reliance on tin pot, third world dictatorships for their energy needs.
In the end I suspect that you are merely one of those who cares not for a solution, but only for the opportunity to rail against whoever you seem to think is responsible for a host of real and imaginary evils in the world.
Now tell me why every Joe nobody, science wanna-be, lobby group and general arse hat should be given a voice when they can not come close to those standards?
Simple. Joe nobody is going to have to pay for it.
It may be an Inconvenient Truth for you, but scientists don't get to say, "we believe this, so pay up". You want people to change their life? Pay more for energy? It is your obligation to make the case.
Given the gravity of their findings, the seriousness they attribute to the situation, the huge nature of the changes they propose, the affect the actions will have on everyone, the potential devastation to the world economy, etc. etc., the AGW crowd has to meet the Gold Standard of scientific evidence.
They have to document every last fact, provide access to all the data, provide the means and methods they used to draw their conclusions, account for every oddity, inconsistency, and anything else that would cast doubt on their conclusions. Their case must be iron clad. They have answer their critics, no matter who they are, thoroughly and in a timely manner...again and again if necessary.
Every aspect of their work has to be meet the highest level of professional standards and scrutiny. You have a conclusion based on statical analysis? It had better be done by a PhD in Statistics. You have a conclusion based on thermodynamics? Only someone with a PhD in that discipline is acceptable. Preferably with decades of experience and unquestionable standing. Cobbling together a little bit of skills here and there is unacceptable, unprofessional , shoddy and careless. Too much you say? Too bad. The stakes are too high for anything less.
You want to change the world? You better fucking bring your A Game.
"The statistical methods used, though arriving at correct results, are not optimal, and it is recommended futures studies involve professional statisticians if possible"
You would think that given the gravity of their findings, the seriousness they attribute to the situation, the huge nature of the changes they propose, the affect the actions will have on everyone, the potential devastation to the world economy, etc. etc., that they would have bothered to fucking hire a few professional statisticians . Shoddy and careless is what this is.
Cars should not blow up. Meat should not have parasites. Milk should be pasteurized, etc. Those are safety regulations.
Regulations because of someone's sense that something is not good for me is another. That means that can restrict how many doughnuts I can by at one time. They could limit my red meat purchases. Certainly liquor could be outlawed (we know what happened with that), etc.
These are lifestyle regulations. And there are MANY other lifestyle choices that have a far greater affect on society in monetary terms and emotional terms that putting a fucking toy in a happy meal.
Simple example is cigarettes. More death and carnage from them than McDonalds could ever do. Why not outlaw them outright?
The only real regulation on them is the warnings. and taxed to hell and back. So McDonalds should put a warning on the Happy Meals. "Warning:Happy Meals will give you a fat ass like your Mom's".
Consumer warned and consumer chooses. Just like the cancer sticks.
No...these idiots from Santa Clara are no different than the morons on Home Owners Association boards that think limiting your garage door being open to no more than an hour a day will keep property values up.
So if I get this straight...Slashdot considers listening in to people talking to known terrorists, who would really like nothing more to kill you) an unforgivable sin.
And of course, expecting that the immigration laws be enforced is downright racist.
But they have no problem with what is essentially police state regulation. You can't have salt. You can't put Toys in Happy Meals. You can't, you can't, you can't.
Slashdot Mirror
...will it sort my porn collection according to the models?
And you remind me of the people who are happy collecting taxes from the Tobacco industry to spend on your pet little projects and at the same time demonize them for selling legal products that people choose to use.
If you had any integrity, your would be pushing for the criminalization of tobacco and outlaw its use. But then, I would expect you would have the opposite opinion on pot.
And if you had any integrity, your would also be pushing for a huge expansion of nuclear power as it not only would drastically reduce the CO2 emissions, it also frees the world from reliance on tin pot, third world dictatorships for their energy needs.
In the end I suspect that you are merely one of those who cares not for a solution, but only for the opportunity to rail against whoever you seem to think is responsible for a host of real and imaginary evils in the world.
Now tell me why every Joe nobody, science wanna-be, lobby group and general arse hat should be given a voice when they can not come close to those standards?
Simple. Joe nobody is going to have to pay for it.
It may be an Inconvenient Truth for you, but scientists don't get to say, "we believe this, so pay up". You want people to change their life? Pay more for energy? It is your obligation to make the case.
Coffee...you need coffee.
Given the gravity of their findings, the seriousness they attribute to the situation, the huge nature of the changes they propose, the affect the actions will have on everyone, the potential devastation to the world economy, etc. etc., the AGW crowd has to meet the Gold Standard of scientific evidence.
They have to document every last fact, provide access to all the data, provide the means and methods they used to draw their conclusions, account for every oddity, inconsistency, and anything else that would cast doubt on their conclusions. Their case must be iron clad. They have answer their critics, no matter who they are, thoroughly and in a timely manner...again and again if necessary.
Every aspect of their work has to be meet the highest level of professional standards and scrutiny. You have a conclusion based on statical analysis? It had better be done by a PhD in Statistics. You have a conclusion based on thermodynamics? Only someone with a PhD in that discipline is acceptable. Preferably with decades of experience and unquestionable standing. Cobbling together a little bit of skills here and there is unacceptable, unprofessional , shoddy and careless. Too much you say? Too bad. The stakes are too high for anything less.
You want to change the world? You better fucking bring your A Game.
How does any bias, imagined or otherwise change the Truth of the original post?
I'm sure Al Gore could shake loose some of his change to hire several statisticians.
"The statistical methods used, though arriving at correct results, are not optimal, and it is recommended futures studies involve professional statisticians if possible"
You would think that given the gravity of their findings, the seriousness they attribute to the situation, the huge nature of the changes they propose, the affect the actions will have on everyone, the potential devastation to the world economy, etc. etc., that they would have bothered to fucking hire a few professional statisticians . Shoddy and careless is what this is.
Regulations for my safety is one thing.
Cars should not blow up. Meat should not have parasites. Milk should be pasteurized, etc. Those are safety regulations.
Regulations because of someone's sense that something is not good for me is another. That means that can restrict how many doughnuts I can by at one time. They could limit my red meat purchases. Certainly liquor could be outlawed (we know what happened with that), etc.
These are lifestyle regulations. And there are MANY other lifestyle choices that have a far greater affect on society in monetary terms and emotional terms that putting a fucking toy in a happy meal.
Simple example is cigarettes. More death and carnage from them than McDonalds could ever do. Why not outlaw them outright?
The only real regulation on them is the warnings. and taxed to hell and back. So McDonalds should put a warning on the Happy Meals. "Warning:Happy Meals will give you a fat ass like your Mom's".
Consumer warned and consumer chooses. Just like the cancer sticks.
No...these idiots from Santa Clara are no different than the morons on Home Owners Association boards that think limiting your garage door being open to no more than an hour a day will keep property values up.
Morons the lot of them.
JD accused me of Black and White thinking...I think you are a much better example.
The problem is that the Santa Clara board of supervisors is not speaking in the abstract.
And a disturbingly large number of Slashdotters seem to agree with them.
"...our elected officials make rules based on what they think their constituents want..."
That worked out so well with Health Care.
Hopefully not for long.
Your argument is that you want to control others, plain and simple. Dress it all you want, but you and they are nothing but control freaks.
First or last, it is a totalitarian option.
So if I get this straight...Slashdot considers listening in to people talking to known terrorists, who would really like nothing more to kill you) an unforgivable sin.
And of course, expecting that the immigration laws be enforced is downright racist.
But they have no problem with what is essentially police state regulation. You can't have salt. You can't put Toys in Happy Meals. You can't, you can't, you can't.
You guys are seriously fucked up.
"Morally Questionable Industry"
What are you, some kind of freak'n Vegan?
Those toddlers...forcing their parents to take them to Micky Ds. What are you gonna do?
What about Krispy Creme? Any other donut shop?
No one puts a gun to the head of anyone and makes them go to McDonalds or any other place.
No one makes anyone buy a Happy Meal or any other meal there.
CA is pretty much a failed state, from the Govenator on down. Get out while you can!
then surely since the Government is for the people and doing nothing is against the people, the Government must step in.
Spoken in the finest tradition of totalitarian dictators everywhere.
Hey jd...Chavez is calling!
Seems the illegals have mod points tonight.
For your average Slashdotter, "labor" is the walk from the far ends of the parking lot to their cubicle.
Get the corporate version. Getting onto each others machines is quick and easy.
What possible scenario allowed this CharlieFox past QA?
This is from the Onion, right?
If not, then PETA is dropping cow pies all their offices right now.
...ya know is they will be hooking cows up to giant turn styles to power grist mills and pump irrigation water.
We have seen the Green Future and it is the past!