Given the number of lies McCain has been caught in, and that fact-checking has typically supported Obama, I would say a system that determines 'spin' by whether someone is a 'dynamic speaker', just *might* not be calibrated correctly.
It's just possible to be both a) A good speaker and b) Honest.
Obama is verifiably both. McCain is verifiably neither.
Ipod hell - My mother bought a *printer* from Wal mart that wasn't in the box.
They insisted that their policy was to not have the display box on the floor. The shift manager wouldn't check to verify this. The store manager wouldn't check to verify this. We ended up two steps above that before we got someone that told them to, y'know, *check*.
*Spoiler Alert*
Lo and behold - it turned out that they had the display box out on the floor, where my mother bought it, a massive plot twist I don't think *anyone* could have seen coming.
I'm hoping to write it up as a Sci Fi Channel movie.
The Republican 'Experience' is that they got us into a war we didn't need to be in, funded with money we didn't have, fought with troops that were better off elsewhere, in order to dethrone a dictator that was no threat, and disarm him of weapons *he* didn't have,
Eventually, after three years of this, John McCain and others turned out to be right in that adding more troops could act as a stopgap in the increasing violence, rather like dealing with the fact that you stuck your hand in a blender by shoving it the rest of the way in and hoping it can't actually chew up your entire forearm.
But hey - the good news is he's right - for a time, we've managed to choke up the blender.
That still means . . . A) Our hand is in a fucking blender up to our forearm. B) The current plan is to *keep* it there. C) The GOP strategy is still to dismiss anyone that thought sticking your hand in a blender looked like a stupid idea as 'inexperienced' - as if no-one could *really* realize that sticking your hand in a blender was a bad idea without doing it themselves. and D) The Democratic plan is still to turn off the damn blender.
So hey - if you're in favor of the 'experience' of sticking your hand into a blender, you go ahead and vote McCain. I don't vote for 'experienced' people whose experience is based on experiencing things simple good sense and situational awareness could've avoided.
PBS's Now the Ted Stevens Case went into some of the items she has fought them on, mostly taxes and trying to dig their tendrils out of the state government.
A lot more I disagree with her on than agree with her on, but it's not hard to suspect that oil companies that are used to having near complete control of the government would be happy to see her in a gilded cage.
Of course you never know - McCain's old - she might walk into the oval office in something slinky - he keels right over.
And if studies on equal pay didn't account for that when checking, then you would have a point.
As it happens, most large studies actually *do* account for that. Given X # years doing job Y for $Z - it turns out that women make less then men, fairly consistently.
Now, I'll grant that I think there are other factors - I figured out a long time back that I get paid more than anyone else at my job mostly because I asked for more when I signed up - which makes me wonder if I'm just 125% more arrogant than the other men in my office and 135% more arrogant than the other women here - but I'm sure they would've happily paid me less, and I *hope* they wouldn't have flinched a bit more had I been female and asked for the same salary.
So there are other factors. That said - the *studies* do account for some of the factors you're hanging your prejudices on.
It's so sad that so many Americans will fall for this trick.
What's sad is that when Democrats run women, it's looked at as somehow genuine but when Republicans run a woman it's looked at as pandering.
Because, when Democrats run women, it's based on a long history of, y'know, actually having supported women's issues.
Since Republicans have a long history of voting *against* things like equal work for equal pay, then yeah - it's pandering.
Unfortunately (Well, unfortunately for the GOP - I'm fairly happy about it), I don't think it's going to be very effective - I have doubts most of the GOP is actually familiar with her record. So the xenophobes that are going to be really ticked at a 'tacking towards the center' approach, are going to be really ticked anyway, while the moderates that might be gained by *actually* tacking towards the center will be the ones that look up her record and decide 'No Thanks'.
On top of which, we have a McCain campaign screaming about Obama's lack of experience, but anointing someone younger and with *no* national or foreign policy experience.
I hear crickets from the Dems with respect to Rep William Jefferson (of New Orleans) and the $100K found in his freezer, etc...
That's funny. Every Democrat I've ever spoken to is of the opinion they can throw his ass into prison till hell freezes over. I'll grant that I'm not happy about the "What - they investigated his office?!!?" shenanigans, but even I have to confess that the immunity discussed was not a 'technicality'.
But I have no patience for corrupt politicians of any ilk.
Ms Palin has been a pain in the arse to the oil Companies in Alaska.
What do you suppose the odds are that after donating a few million (documented) to the McCain Campaign they said 'And oh, By the way, we've got a honest, attractive woman that would make a great VP if you'd just *GET HER THE HELL OUT OF ALASKA!*'.
If they win, she's out of Alaska Politics. If they lose, she's out of the state for awhile, and it never helps anyone's political career to be on a losing presidential campaign.
Sadly - I don't care. Any time I get to read about lingerie with the word "Police" emblazoned on it it a good day.
The outer layer should *really* be coated with a black, shiny, latex-like substance in order to keep it from catching on anything she's wearing over it.
For safety purposes . .
"If you're shallow and you know it clap your hand!" - Clap! Clap!
Neatly ignoring those members of the Sierra club that are Americans.
Remember boys and girls, your divine right to all the oil, coal, and other hydro-carbons in the ground is *always* more important than whether your grandchildren will get to see any dumb animals outside of a zoo.
Because the wishes of Americans that disagree with Daddies priorities are unimportant - they're not real Americans anyhow.
I had at one time a rather hilarious "Dictionary of economic terms" issued with the stock report of a company - I want to say Home Depot.
I can't remember the exact wording of their debunking of the rational utility maximizer theory, but it was unfavorably compared with Tea Leaves, Ouija Boards, and throwing virgins into volcanos. To be fair the authors left a disclaimer that although it was theoretically possible to fins a volcano near wall street, virgins were somewhat more difficult.
They've only taken this break at this time during my entire adult life.
Honestly though, if the GOP hadn't used technicalities and so on to completely undermine any Democratic party involvement in making the law from 2000-2006, they would have a lot more room to ask for a change from the norm on something they cared about.
As it stands, they've treated everyone else like shit for six years, and now they want special privileges? I'm kinda leaning towards "Fuck'em" myself.
"Adding insult to injury, the Times said U.S. firms were invited to bid on the Cuban contracts, but were barred by the U.S. government due to the country's longstanding economic embargo of communist Cuba."
I hate to admit it - but it is so much *nicer* to drive now. Even six months ago, you had to deal with all these SUV-owners that figured they were the biggest thing on the road, what the heck were you going to do, double parked, pulling up *into* the intersection so you couldn't see traffic.
I haven't seen a hummer on my drive to work in a couple weeks now. Trucks yes, but they're doing a job and are generally as decent to you as they can afford to be.
But nary a hummer or oversized SUV to be seen - so damn pleasant!
He posits by fiat that the amount of oil on the planets is well more than we will use for 50 years, in contradiction with even the optimistic studies by the Energy Companies, and is modded insightful?
Dammit, this is why we need a [-1: Pulled outta yer ass] tag!
I will confess - the *name* 'Awesome Bar' gives me hives.
That said - I find it to be pretty intuitive and useful - in combination with tags and keywords, it makes the system work pretty darn well.
But yeah, whoever came up with that name should be strapped into a chair and forced to watch 1980's John Hughes movies translated into "Valley Girl" and interspersed with "Dude, you're gettin' a Dell" commercials.
We're not cruel though - cyanide pills will be made available.
I note in the video they are really proud of getting three mortar shell - and I'm not going to argue they shouldn't be, but - ah, mortar shells are cheap, laser weapons expensive. If the fourth mortar takes out the laser, that's a net loss for the good guys.
Not that I'm complaining - I'd rather have three of our mortars backed up with a laser coverage - give the good guys a better chance to take out the enemy, before we're taken out, but whether the math on that works out or not is an iffy proposition.
In a new low for humanity, supposed corrections 'expert' and CIO for the Florida Department of Correction Scott McPherson went on the record in favor of utilizing waterboarding to get the information out of Terry Childs.
So, evidently if Childs *had* been holding the network for ransom, waterboarding was perfectly fine? I hope I *am* going to far, but considering that the man has evidently been with the Florida department of corrections for years, I find myself wondering just how many times he has found that something that leaves no marks and is incredibly good at getting people to sign confessions whether they did something or not is just incredibly useful to have available.
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Given the number of lies McCain has been caught in, and that fact-checking has typically supported Obama, I would say a system that determines 'spin' by whether someone is a 'dynamic speaker', just *might* not be calibrated correctly.
It's just possible to be both
a) A good speaker and
b) Honest.
Obama is verifiably both. McCain is verifiably neither.
Pug
Strictly speaking, being a better looking Republican operative than Ann Coulter does not in fact equate to 'kinda hot looking'.
Of course, I'm fairly sure Ann Coulter is actually Michael Chertoff in drag. The eyes are just contacts.
Pug
Ipod hell - My mother bought a *printer* from Wal mart that wasn't in the box.
They insisted that their policy was to not have the display box on the floor. The shift manager wouldn't check to verify this. The store manager wouldn't check to verify this. We ended up two steps above that before we got someone that told them to, y'know, *check*.
*Spoiler Alert*
Lo and behold - it turned out that they had the display box out on the floor, where my mother bought it, a massive plot twist I don't think *anyone* could have seen coming.
I'm hoping to write it up as a Sci Fi Channel movie.
Pug
Oooh - look, Sci Fi's "Attack of the Hyper-Crurotarsans, species from River Dune is on in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
Pug
The Republican 'Experience' is that they got us into a war we didn't need to be in, funded with money we didn't have, fought with troops that were better off elsewhere, in order to dethrone a dictator that was no threat, and disarm him of weapons *he* didn't have,
Eventually, after three years of this, John McCain and others turned out to be right in that adding more troops could act as a stopgap in the increasing violence, rather like dealing with the fact that you stuck your hand in a blender by shoving it the rest of the way in and hoping it can't actually chew up your entire forearm.
But hey - the good news is he's right - for a time, we've managed to choke up the blender.
That still means . . .
A) Our hand is in a fucking blender up to our forearm.
B) The current plan is to *keep* it there.
C) The GOP strategy is still to dismiss anyone that thought sticking your hand in a blender looked like a stupid idea as 'inexperienced' - as if no-one could *really* realize that sticking your hand in a blender was a bad idea without doing it themselves.
and
D) The Democratic plan is still to turn off the damn blender.
So hey - if you're in favor of the 'experience' of sticking your hand into a blender, you go ahead and vote McCain. I don't vote for 'experienced' people whose experience is based on experiencing things simple good sense and situational awareness could've avoided.
Pug
PBS's Now the Ted Stevens Case went into some of the items she has fought them on, mostly taxes and trying to dig their tendrils out of the state government.
A lot more I disagree with her on than agree with her on, but it's not hard to suspect that oil companies that are used to having near complete control of the government would be happy to see her in a gilded cage.
Of course you never know - McCain's old - she might walk into the oval office in something slinky - he keels right over.
Pug.
Numerous counterexamples - certainly.
Playing the Odds? Sorry, historically a loss hinders the career.
Pug
And if studies on equal pay didn't account for that when checking, then you would have a point.
As it happens, most large studies actually *do* account for that. Given X # years doing job Y for $Z - it turns out that women make less then men, fairly consistently.
Now, I'll grant that I think there are other factors - I figured out a long time back that I get paid more than anyone else at my job mostly because I asked for more when I signed up - which makes me wonder if I'm just 125% more arrogant than the other men in my office and 135% more arrogant than the other women here - but I'm sure they would've happily paid me less, and I *hope* they wouldn't have flinched a bit more had I been female and asked for the same salary.
So there are other factors. That said - the *studies* do account for some of the factors you're hanging your prejudices on.
Pug
What's sad is that when Democrats run women, it's looked at as somehow genuine but when Republicans run a woman it's looked at as pandering.
Because, when Democrats run women, it's based on a long history of, y'know, actually having supported women's issues.
Since Republicans have a long history of voting *against* things like equal work for equal pay, then yeah - it's pandering.
Unfortunately (Well, unfortunately for the GOP - I'm fairly happy about it), I don't think it's going to be very effective - I have doubts most of the GOP is actually familiar with her record. So the xenophobes that are going to be really ticked at a 'tacking towards the center' approach, are going to be really ticked anyway, while the moderates that might be gained by *actually* tacking towards the center will be the ones that look up her record and decide 'No Thanks'.
On top of which, we have a McCain campaign screaming about Obama's lack of experience, but anointing someone younger and with *no* national or foreign policy experience.
Pug
I hear crickets from the Dems with respect to Rep William Jefferson (of New Orleans) and the $100K found in his freezer, etc...
That's funny. Every Democrat I've ever spoken to is of the opinion they can throw his ass into prison till hell freezes over. I'll grant that I'm not happy about the "What - they investigated his office?!!?" shenanigans, but even I have to confess that the immunity discussed was not a 'technicality'.
But I have no patience for corrupt politicians of any ilk.
Pug
Ms Palin has been a pain in the arse to the oil Companies in Alaska.
What do you suppose the odds are that after donating a few million (documented) to the McCain Campaign they said 'And oh, By the way, we've got a honest, attractive woman that would make a great VP if you'd just *GET HER THE HELL OUT OF ALASKA!*'.
If they win, she's out of Alaska Politics. If they lose, she's out of the state for awhile, and it never helps anyone's political career to be on a losing presidential campaign.
Pug
Yeah that was *my* first thought.
Then I read the article - pardon me while I start testing six letter passwords at Lloyds.
Pug
Sadly - I don't care. Any time I get to read about lingerie with the word "Police" emblazoned on it it a good day.
The outer layer should *really* be coated with a black, shiny, latex-like substance in order to keep it from catching on anything she's wearing over it.
For safety purposes . .
"If you're shallow and you know it clap your hand!" - Clap! Clap!
Pug
Neatly ignoring those members of the Sierra club that are Americans.
Remember boys and girls, your divine right to all the oil, coal, and other hydro-carbons in the ground is *always* more important than whether your grandchildren will get to see any dumb animals outside of a zoo.
Because the wishes of Americans that disagree with Daddies priorities are unimportant - they're not real Americans anyhow.
{G} - Pug
I had at one time a rather hilarious "Dictionary of economic terms" issued with the stock report of a company - I want to say Home Depot.
I can't remember the exact wording of their debunking of the rational utility maximizer theory, but it was unfavorably compared with Tea Leaves, Ouija Boards, and throwing virgins into volcanos. To be fair the authors left a disclaimer that although it was theoretically possible to fins a volcano near wall street, virgins were somewhat more difficult.
Pug
When the solutions the GOP are proposing will have no effect for 20 years?
Here - I will so so for them - No, it's not pressing.
Pug
They've only taken this break at this time during my entire adult life.
Honestly though, if the GOP hadn't used technicalities and so on to completely undermine any Democratic party involvement in making the law from 2000-2006, they would have a lot more room to ask for a change from the norm on something they cared about.
As it stands, they've treated everyone else like shit for six years, and now they want special privileges? I'm kinda leaning towards "Fuck'em" myself.
Pug
Ummm - sir, you are lying - from the article.
"Adding insult to injury, the Times said U.S. firms were invited to bid on the Cuban contracts, but were barred by the U.S. government due to the country's longstanding economic embargo of communist Cuba."
I hate to admit it - but it is so much *nicer* to drive now. Even six months ago, you had to deal with all these SUV-owners that figured they were the biggest thing on the road, what the heck were you going to do, double parked, pulling up *into* the intersection so you couldn't see traffic.
I haven't seen a hummer on my drive to work in a couple weeks now. Trucks yes, but they're doing a job and are generally as decent to you as they can afford to be.
But nary a hummer or oversized SUV to be seen - so damn pleasant!
Pug
It's always congresses fault when the wealthy or conservatives go broke.
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When democrats, the poor, or liberals are having issues, it's due to our lack of personal responsibility.
Didn't you get the Memo?
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Insightful?
He posits by fiat that the amount of oil on the planets is well more than we will use for 50 years, in contradiction with even the optimistic studies by the Energy Companies, and is modded insightful?
Dammit, this is why we need a [-1: Pulled outta yer ass] tag!
Pug
I will confess - the *name* 'Awesome Bar' gives me hives.
That said - I find it to be pretty intuitive and useful - in combination with tags and keywords, it makes the system work pretty darn well.
But yeah, whoever came up with that name should be strapped into a chair and forced to watch 1980's John Hughes movies translated into "Valley Girl" and interspersed with "Dude, you're gettin' a Dell" commercials.
We're not cruel though - cyanide pills will be made available.
Pug
"Vimperator is a free browser add-on for Firefox, which makes it look and behave like the Vim text editor."
Ummm . . . Goody? From the same wonderful people to add peanut butter and ketchup in one wonderful snack?
Pug
I note in the video they are really proud of getting three mortar shell - and I'm not going to argue they shouldn't be, but - ah, mortar shells are cheap, laser weapons expensive. If the fourth mortar takes out the laser, that's a net loss for the good guys.
Not that I'm complaining - I'd rather have three of our mortars backed up with a laser coverage - give the good guys a better chance to take out the enemy, before we're taken out, but whether the math on that works out or not is an iffy proposition.
And lets face it Laser weapons are cool!
Pug
In a new low for humanity, supposed corrections 'expert' and CIO for the Florida Department of Correction Scott McPherson went on the record in favor of utilizing waterboarding to get the information out of Terry Childs.
He later reacts to the minor discrepancies between what was initially reported and what really seems to have happened with the wonderful Now if this is true, it certainly changes things, eh?
So, evidently if Childs *had* been holding the network for ransom, waterboarding was perfectly fine? I hope I *am* going to far, but considering that the man has evidently been with the Florida department of corrections for years, I find myself wondering just how many times he has found that something that leaves no marks and is incredibly good at getting people to sign confessions whether they did something or not is just incredibly useful to have available.
What a sick mind - Pug