Re:I'm a disappointed GNOME user...
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KDE 2.2 Tagged
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thank you, this really is off topic for a KDE story, but the idea that Gnome isn't going anywhere is silly. Other things you left out of your short list are Nautilus (which has been very well embraced by the community and had vast performance, stability and usability improvements recently), Glame (a really cool and actively developed "Gimp for sound"...), Galeon, which is just about the slickest browser I've ever used, and many more. Will this silly notion that either KDE or GNOME are going away just die please? There are both awsome, you can use the programs pretty well together... just get used to it.
OT: i want the /. mozilla logo for a T-Shirt
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Mozilla 0.9.3 Released
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Does anyone know where I can find a higher resolution, or (hopefully) a vector based version of that pic? I think it would look so damned kick ass on a t-shirt, that and the commie-moz-star...
How is C# a bad design specifically? Or are you just dismissing it because it came out of Redmond? the RMS and Miguel have shown great insight in being able to look objectively at the technology instead of who designed it. As a programmer, I really look forward to a lot of what Mono is going to bring (mmm... define an object in C++, extend it in C#, instantiate it in Java... yum)
I agree, but unfortunately my boss probably wouldn't and would probably have grounds to fire me if encrypted all my communications... we need legal justification for our privacy so that we can secure it like you suggest but with legal impunity.
Gnome has existed for 3 years and easily supasses the quality of Win3.1, arguably Win98. How long did they take to develop? I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think we could agree on something between 3 and 7 years.
>BTW, why do you care about getting modded down? Have some courage.
Because if you say things like that, moderators feel guilty and obliged to mod it up even if it has nothing really informative or new to say.;-)
You give absolutely no evidence to back up that your method of designing software works better, whereas the tomes of free software on gnu.org and opensource.com do. These assertions are meaningless unless you provide real world proof, especially considering that countless free software projects proove you wrong daily. You nebulously say that KDE is a failure because it underwent redesign, but fail to mention that every single piece of closed source "Traditional" software has undergone many of these iterations, see dos -> win 3.1 -> win 95 -> Win2k -> WinXP.. or MacOS 8 -> -> Copland -> 9 -> X.
then your experience is vastly different than most users. I have crashed Ie and seen it crashed on literally dozens of computers running 95, 98, Milleniun, NT 4.0, 2000. I used to work IT and maintained about 100 desktop machines, mostly running IE... about 50% of them had chronic issues with IE crashing.
Sounds interesting, have a good link for where to read up on it? Preferably with no anus pictures...
Re:QT is the best gui toolkit out there
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Qt for Mac
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Almost every "feature" you listed was implemented in Gtk first or simultaneously (themes, internationalization). And many things you list are so subjective as to be completely useless and highly contententious "measures" of a toolkits merits (sensible class hierarchy, feature complete widgets, widget speed, proper keyboard focus, clean API.) In fact, the only thing you mention not "released" in gtk is rtl language support, but Gtk 1.3 with Pango is already available for download, so please don't insinuate it is vapour. Please cut the FUD, the only substantial difference between gtk and qt is the philosophy behind their design. They are functionaly equivilent, its just a matter of developer taste. Both toolkits are here to stay, and both sets of developers really get along quite well and are working to make their respective toolkits transparent to the user. Please stop trying to drive a wedge here.
WxWindows is the de facto cross platform Standard.
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Qt for Mac
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Sorry, but clearly wxWindows is the clear choice for developing cross platform applications. Part of why wxWindows is so nice is because it uses the native widgets of the platform it runs on. Therefore its look and feel is flawless next to other platform dependant apps. This is the toolkit that AbiSource uses to develope AbiWord.
Just so i'm not completely off topic, I think its great that both of the leading toolkits (Qt, gtk) for unix are becoming more and more cross platform. It can only help to bring native apps to linux.
Before all of the pessimist take over this forum as usual, let me get in a positive word. I use Konqueror, Moz Nighlies, ie, K-Meleon, NS4.7 and Galeon on a regular basis (crazy, but true) and Moz is really climbing towards the top of my list. It's got a little ways to go before becoming the fastest, lightest browser on the block, but that really wasn't its point in existing at all. It is supposed to be a cross platform, total network communications sweat, and it does this like no one else can. If you want a fast light JustABrowser browser, use Galeon, K-Meleon or Konqueror, they are all maturing nicely (K-Meleon is about the release 0.4 which is startlingly fast and only 3megs!:) Anyhow, don't beleive the hype, Moz is coming along really quickly these days, i use the nightlies and everyday speed and memory improvments are landing. Don't expect a totally polished browser yet out of.9, but give it an honest chance.
It is the classical definition of a troll. he is an admitted outsider trying to seed the idea in the readers head that there is some major staffe and "downward spiral" within the Gnome community, which is utter hogwash. The Gnome community is more pumped than ever.
nah. the list trafic is just about the same as it s always been. And if you think that flame wars are anything new to the gnome list, may i suggest you go back and read the archives. I also have followed the list for a VERY long time, and think that Gnome development has never been so exciting and active as it is right now. There are more active projects in CVS than ever, with more lines of code being contributed... so where is the problem? Please don't try to tell me that the problem is that the hardcore Gnome coders are now getting paid (they ARE Eazel and Ximian) because that is messed up.
Seeing as it was their employees who headed the bonobo project it's hardly a crime for them to make the announcement. Look, Ximian and Eazel are embraced as PART of the Gnome community, will you silly slashdot trolls please stop trying to drive a wedge where nobody wants one?
Netscape? Don't make me laugh. Mozilla? I like it, but it still crashes within 15 minutes.
Drop the FUD, I've been using Mozilla exclusively for months, if you grab a good nightly build off of mozillazine.org Mozilla almost never crashes. Actually, i can remember only twice in two weeks, and i run mozilla on My Linux box, my '98 box, my roomates '98 box, my girlfriends 2000 box, and my nt4 box at work.
Electric cars are more energy efficient than gas ones. So even if the power plants that supply the electricity to charge the cars was just as inefficient than current gas powered cars, the net effect is still lower polution levels. But that doesnt even take into account the fact that larger power generators are much more efficient. I heard a statistic somewhere taht the real emmisions of an electric car are around 30% of a gas one.
Gtk and Qt are just about indestinguishable on my system. I run Konqueror a lot on my Gnome system and apps like Evolution and Konq perform about the same. My system isnt exactly supercharged either. I think that there is definitely room for improvement in terms of speed in both environments, but come on, it really isnt that bad.
Linux companies are not charities. I personally dont really get why many people want to treat them as such. There are many ways you could more efficiently donate your money to the cause (a non profit entity like the FSF and others). When you give money to a company, you are giving it to the shareholders first and foremost, i think that companies should have to compete on their own merit, not an artificial quasi charity market. Just IMHO.
Re:I have had a fearful thought....
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KDE 2.1 Is Out
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i am surfing with Konquerer right now, and have to say that i am more than impressed. it is a very mature and fast browser. but the fact is that the latest nightly builds of mozilla are faster and just feel more solid on my system. Konq has come really really far really fast, but people need to be honest, it still has a bit of catchup to do with mozilla. keep up the good work KDE people, i'm quite glad there is a strong competitive free browser out there.
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thank you, this really is off topic for a KDE story, but the idea that Gnome isn't going anywhere is silly. Other things you left out of your short list are Nautilus (which has been very well embraced by the community and had vast performance, stability and usability improvements recently), Glame (a really cool and actively developed "Gimp for sound"...), Galeon, which is just about the slickest browser I've ever used, and many more. Will this silly notion that either KDE or GNOME are going away just die please? There are both awsome, you can use the programs pretty well together... just get used to it.
Does anyone know where I can find a higher resolution, or (hopefully) a vector based version of that pic? I think it would look so damned kick ass on a t-shirt, that and the commie-moz-star...
How is C# a bad design specifically? Or are you just dismissing it because it came out of Redmond? the RMS and Miguel have shown great insight in being able to look objectively at the technology instead of who designed it. As a programmer, I really look forward to a lot of what Mono is going to bring (mmm... define an object in C++, extend it in C#, instantiate it in Java... yum)
The JVM is as much of a "needless desktop dependency" as Gnome is.
I agree, but unfortunately my boss probably wouldn't and would probably have grounds to fire me if encrypted all my communications... we need legal justification for our privacy so that we can secure it like you suggest but with legal impunity.
Gnome has existed for 3 years and easily supasses the quality of Win3.1, arguably Win98. How long did they take to develop? I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think we could agree on something between 3 and 7 years.
>BTW, why do you care about getting modded down? Have some courage. Because if you say things like that, moderators feel guilty and obliged to mod it up even if it has nothing really informative or new to say. ;-)
You give absolutely no evidence to back up that your method of designing software works better, whereas the tomes of free software on gnu.org and opensource.com do. These assertions are meaningless unless you provide real world proof, especially considering that countless free software projects proove you wrong daily. You nebulously say that KDE is a failure because it underwent redesign, but fail to mention that every single piece of closed source "Traditional" software has undergone many of these iterations, see dos -> win 3.1 -> win 95 -> Win2k -> WinXP .. or MacOS 8 -> -> Copland -> 9 -> X.
hooray for free browsers, ;)
we always had all critical updates installed. ie's stability is a myth.
then your experience is vastly different than most users. I have crashed Ie and seen it crashed on literally dozens of computers running 95, 98, Milleniun, NT 4.0, 2000. I used to work IT and maintained about 100 desktop machines, mostly running IE... about 50% of them had chronic issues with IE crashing.
And thank god, 4.7 was showing its age.
Sounds interesting, have a good link for where to read up on it? Preferably with no anus pictures...
Almost every "feature" you listed was implemented in Gtk first or simultaneously (themes, internationalization). And many things you list are so subjective as to be completely useless and highly contententious "measures" of a toolkits merits (sensible class hierarchy, feature complete widgets, widget speed, proper keyboard focus, clean API.) In fact, the only thing you mention not "released" in gtk is rtl language support, but Gtk 1.3 with Pango is already available for download, so please don't insinuate it is vapour. Please cut the FUD, the only substantial difference between gtk and qt is the philosophy behind their design. They are functionaly equivilent, its just a matter of developer taste. Both toolkits are here to stay, and both sets of developers really get along quite well and are working to make their respective toolkits transparent to the user. Please stop trying to drive a wedge here.
Sorry, but clearly wxWindows is the clear choice for developing cross platform applications. Part of why wxWindows is so nice is because it uses the native widgets of the platform it runs on. Therefore its look and feel is flawless next to other platform dependant apps. This is the toolkit that AbiSource uses to develope AbiWord.
Just so i'm not completely off topic, I think its great that both of the leading toolkits (Qt, gtk) for unix are becoming more and more cross platform. It can only help to bring native apps to linux.
Before all of the pessimist take over this forum as usual, let me get in a positive word. I use Konqueror, Moz Nighlies, ie, K-Meleon, NS4.7 and Galeon on a regular basis (crazy, but true) and Moz is really climbing towards the top of my list. It's got a little ways to go before becoming the fastest, lightest browser on the block, but that really wasn't its point in existing at all. It is supposed to be a cross platform, total network communications sweat, and it does this like no one else can. If you want a fast light JustABrowser browser, use Galeon, K-Meleon or Konqueror, they are all maturing nicely (K-Meleon is about the release 0.4 which is startlingly fast and only 3megs! :) Anyhow, don't beleive the hype, Moz is coming along really quickly these days, i use the nightlies and everyday speed and memory improvments are landing. Don't expect a totally polished browser yet out of .9, but give it an honest chance.
It is the classical definition of a troll. he is an admitted outsider trying to seed the idea in the readers head that there is some major staffe and "downward spiral" within the Gnome community, which is utter hogwash. The Gnome community is more pumped than ever.
nah. the list trafic is just about the same as it s always been. And if you think that flame wars are anything new to the gnome list, may i suggest you go back and read the archives. I also have followed the list for a VERY long time, and think that Gnome development has never been so exciting and active as it is right now. There are more active projects in CVS than ever, with more lines of code being contributed... so where is the problem? Please don't try to tell me that the problem is that the hardcore Gnome coders are now getting paid (they ARE Eazel and Ximian) because that is messed up.
Seeing as it was their employees who headed the bonobo project it's hardly a crime for them to make the announcement. Look, Ximian and Eazel are embraced as PART of the Gnome community, will you silly slashdot trolls please stop trying to drive a wedge where nobody wants one?
Netscape? Don't make me laugh. Mozilla? I like it, but it still crashes within 15 minutes.
Drop the FUD, I've been using Mozilla exclusively for months, if you grab a good nightly build off of mozillazine.org Mozilla almost never crashes. Actually, i can remember only twice in two weeks, and i run mozilla on My Linux box, my '98 box, my roomates '98 box, my girlfriends 2000 box, and my nt4 box at work.
Show me ANY program on ANY os that can have more than 254 hot keys.
Electric cars are more energy efficient than gas ones. So even if the power plants that supply the electricity to charge the cars was just as inefficient than current gas powered cars, the net effect is still lower polution levels. But that doesnt even take into account the fact that larger power generators are much more efficient. I heard a statistic somewhere taht the real emmisions of an electric car are around 30% of a gas one.
Gtk and Qt are just about indestinguishable on my system. I run Konqueror a lot on my Gnome system and apps like Evolution and Konq perform about the same. My system isnt exactly supercharged either. I think that there is definitely room for improvement in terms of speed in both environments, but come on, it really isnt that bad.
Linux companies are not charities. I personally dont really get why many people want to treat them as such. There are many ways you could more efficiently donate your money to the cause (a non profit entity like the FSF and others). When you give money to a company, you are giving it to the shareholders first and foremost, i think that companies should have to compete on their own merit, not an artificial quasi charity market. Just IMHO.
i am surfing with Konquerer right now, and have to say that i am more than impressed. it is a very mature and fast browser. but the fact is that the latest nightly builds of mozilla are faster and just feel more solid on my system. Konq has come really really far really fast, but people need to be honest, it still has a bit of catchup to do with mozilla. keep up the good work KDE people, i'm quite glad there is a strong competitive free browser out there.