Please don't do that. I will hunt you down and deliver a round-house open-handed slap to your ear; rupturing your eardrum asunder. Consider that next year I might have to maintain your 512 column code. There is nothing more nauseating than opening someone's code in a standard xterm and seeing single lines fucking wrap around the fuck around the fucking terminal.
Just as a function should ideally be as small as possible (not always possible, I know) without too much scrolling, you really should try and use 80 columns only. As with most poetry which employs constraints such as stanzas, etc, you can also achieve beauty (and better code) in 80 cols. And you won't piss off other devs who have to look at your code.
I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?
Critical mass, branding, marketing.
Anyway, I love linux and use it heavily on all our production servers, clusters, etc, and have done so for over 10 years.
However, linux (all distros) still sucks on the desktop, and I think it always will. Printing is unreliable, windows/forms behaviour is inconsistent (default buttons, tab behaviour, etc), the GUI (gnome/kde) is slow unless you have decent hardware, the fonts are terrible, copy/paste between apps is a joke, audio is unreliable (how about having a single driver that works consistently?), etc, etc. Yes, there are workarounds, and yes things are slowly improving, but for fuck sakes, how many more years is it going to take? Surely you cannot expect an average computer user to struggle with this kind of sub-standard nonsense? For the time being, I wish aficionados would stop pretending that Linux-on-the-desktop is ready for prime-time.
The desktop people have had years to sort this basic stuff out, yet their focus is on more features, more flash, prettier colours, more screensavers, as opposed to fixing things (and as much as commercial software sucks in other ways, at least they fix the basic shit -- here the linux kernel and decent server-distro (RH, CentOS, Suse) shines btw, those boys FIX things). Linux on the desktop has such potential, yet they just can't seem to get it right (and Redmond folk are pooping their pants laughing).
Not all distros suck at all of those mentioned, but every one lacks in some way. Sadly, I don't think it will ever be a real quality desktop experience since the developers don't have a financial interest to ensure quality and are not held accountable for their failings, so QA is severely lacking.
If you want to save money and can live with the shortcomings, then by all means use linux on the desktop, otherwise use windows or get a mac. This is my advice to all those folks I deal with on a daily basis and I've yet to be proven wrong (have you tried explaining to a busy professional why printing is not working (or why a print job has to be RE-authorised again and again because Ubuntu is not remembering the password/tick-mark), or why flash is not working in Firefox, or why the sound is crackling (and changing the audio driver back/forth magically solves it), or why the default PDF viewer is Xpdf (which makes me laugh and spill my coffee with it's antiquated X 1990s interface) -- these people don't want to struggle with the basic shit, they want to focus on their job.
I want to believe, but the reality is disappointing.
Yes, all this has been said before, but I believe the more it's said and in more forums, the sooner they'll take notice and do what needs to be done.
:D Don't be too hard on the poor chap. garatheus is probably from the USA, so he also believes the Far East is New York, and Australia is part of Africa, or something.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there
That really tickled my funnybone, thanks. I can just imagine that infuriating dickwad manager in Office Space with the eternal cup of coffee in his hand...
Someone claims they don't like Christianity and gives examples of why.
Christians (especially fanatics) interpret his words as a hostile attack on their beloved icon, no matter what his intent, and generally engage him in robust debate or smile tolerantly and take pity on him.
Similarly:
Someone claims they don't like Islam and gives examples of why.
Muslims (especially fanatics) interpret his words as a hostile attack on their beloved icon, no matter what his intent, and engage him by cutting his head off, blow him to pieces or shoot him.
Anyway, I love Star Trek, and anyone who dislikes it is a fucking heathen and deserves to die.
you also realize that you're not immortal and that there really are better ways to spend some of your precious free time, like, I don't know, with your wife, kids AND a nice cold frosty.
Sadly, whether it's in the states or elsewhere, the ability to sue assumes the ability to pay exorbitant lawyer fees. Most do not have the resources, something large companies rely on.
I'm really surprised we haven't seen a major IT heist yet.
Probably because these events are rarely made public. The goodwill/brand/image damage of these things becoming publicly known often far outweighs the value of the actual theft.
Noble goals, etc, but for crying out load, get the basics right first. Hear me Mark, my cousin?
This is probably all Gnome shortcomings, but still:
Universal copy/paste between applications, like windows, for fuuuuck sakes (don't tell me to right-click select copy).
Consistent window behaviour:
- tabbing behaves differently in various windows.
- hitting enter doesn't always select the default button.
- ESC doesn't always cancel the window.
Yes, yes, there are workarounds and the argument that one simply needs to adapt, etc, etc, to which I reply: fuck off. This is basic shit and there is well-established and expected GUI behaviour which windows folks take for granted. If the Linux "desk top" is ever going to/begin/ to make any kind of significant inroads into windowsland, THEN FIX THE BASIC SHIT for your target users.
Then there's the bloody twitching abortion which is Linux printing: default printers mysteriously stop printing. Only workaround is to clone them (then it mysteriously works again). Another fuckup is print authentication: I've already entered the goddamn password - yet my print job is defered because it's decided to forget my password despite my having clicked "Remember my fucking password."
What's up with this friggin crackling when streaming audio? huh? Change the stupid "driver" and it works for a day, then it crackles again. This is simple fucking shit which works flawlessly elsewhere.
Now, don't get me wrong, girls, I love Linux. Have used it since 0.9.x - on servers. However, when it comes to recommending a desktop OS for friends/family, I insist they use windows since I don't have the energy to help them adjust to something which is unnecessarily obtuse and difficult to use.
And please, spare me the knee-jerk fanb0i responses, or I'll bliksem you:D
This was my experience as well. I'm not a Apple user myself, but I supported maybe 50 Mac users several years ago - all using v9.x - in a graphics/print shop, and it was *terribly* unstable. The networking performance was also a joke.
I bought a detector about a year ago, and have reduced my fine rate to 0 in that period. These devices rely not only on direct detection, but also reflections and being in the general area (or general direction) where a radar device is being used. I've seen this many times when approaching an intersection where a known device is pointed at the centre, but the detector starts yelling half a k down the road.
Detractors can say what they want, but I've found my wife and I tend to be more speed conscious now, and consequently safer drivers.
All that for a few thousand carribou, a few hundred foxes and rodents, and some bears
wow. just wow. You must be one of those chaps who lives in a trailer park, chews tobacco, considers having sex with your sister juz fine, and by jeezuz, never misses an episode of Jerry Springer, coz, by golly-gosh, my momma is on next week!
particularly the carribou, actually do better around the pipes.
more wow. What happens when that pipe breaks? The carribou do just fine without our "help", btw.
Thanks to people like you with your fuck-the-wildlife approach -- much like ol' bushy-boy who I'm sure you consider to be your personal saviour -- we're now causing extinctions on an unprecedented scale.
Sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but you really sound like an idiot.
Wrong again, you must have dug deep to pull that out your ass - it's about US$19 (~R145 including line +1GB traffic). Sure, that's for the 384Kb line, but still better than dialup.
But anyway, the root of all evil in SA telecoms is the government which controls and allows Telkom's monopoly. Until that changes, Telkom will keep screwing everyone.
skipped the landlines and went with Vodacom for my internet. IT WAS CHEAPER AND FASTER.
You're confused buddy. 3G is 2-4 times as expensive in SA (traffic usage), and fucking unreliable unless you happen to be close to a tower. If you're a heavy internet user, then you're uninformed for using 3G in SA - as opposed to using ADSL. In SA, ADSL remains the fastest, most reliable and cost-effective compared to all other retail offerings.
There's only one thing more evil than Telkom in SA, and that's Vodacom. btw, Telkom has a stake in Vodacom, and the government has a stake in Telkom... The gov has done *nothing* to reduce the high costs of telecoms in SA - this will only change once more africans (as opposed to whites who are being milked - hey, you're white so therefore you must have money) are online and they have a political incentive to get their finger out their asses.
Slashdot Mirror
GET THE FUCK OFF MY LAWN!
Then long lines disappear at the end of the term. I'm not sure what's worse.
Disappearing text (forcing you to scroll right), or long lines wrapping, breaking the flow of the code.
maximized xterm
Please don't do that. I will hunt you down and deliver a round-house open-handed slap to your ear; rupturing your eardrum asunder. Consider that next year I might have to maintain your 512 column code. There is nothing more nauseating than opening someone's code in a standard xterm and seeing single lines fucking wrap around the fuck around the fucking terminal.
Just as a function should ideally be as small as possible (not always possible, I know) without too much scrolling, you really should try and use 80 columns only. As with most poetry which employs constraints such as stanzas, etc, you can also achieve beauty (and better code) in 80 cols. And you won't piss off other devs who have to look at your code.
No.
foreach (@mind_numbing_question) {
$answer = solveProblem($_);
say $answer;
}
42 ...
42
42
And please, no jokes about Nigerian scammers.
Why not?
I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?
Critical mass, branding, marketing.
Anyway, I love linux and use it heavily on all our production servers, clusters, etc, and have done so for over 10 years.
However, linux (all distros) still sucks on the desktop, and I think it always will. Printing is unreliable, windows/forms behaviour is inconsistent (default buttons, tab behaviour, etc), the GUI (gnome/kde) is slow unless you have decent hardware, the fonts are terrible, copy/paste between apps is a joke, audio is unreliable (how about having a single driver that works consistently?), etc, etc. Yes, there are workarounds, and yes things are slowly improving, but for fuck sakes, how many more years is it going to take? Surely you cannot expect an average computer user to struggle with this kind of sub-standard nonsense? For the time being, I wish aficionados would stop pretending that Linux-on-the-desktop is ready for prime-time.
The desktop people have had years to sort this basic stuff out, yet their focus is on more features, more flash, prettier colours, more screensavers, as opposed to fixing things (and as much as commercial software sucks in other ways, at least they fix the basic shit -- here the linux kernel and decent server-distro (RH, CentOS, Suse) shines btw, those boys FIX things). Linux on the desktop has such potential, yet they just can't seem to get it right (and Redmond folk are pooping their pants laughing).
Not all distros suck at all of those mentioned, but every one lacks in some way. Sadly, I don't think it will ever be a real quality desktop experience since the developers don't have a financial interest to ensure quality and are not held accountable for their failings, so QA is severely lacking.
If you want to save money and can live with the shortcomings, then by all means use linux on the desktop, otherwise use windows or get a mac. This is my advice to all those folks I deal with on a daily basis and I've yet to be proven wrong (have you tried explaining to a busy professional why printing is not working (or why a print job has to be RE-authorised again and again because Ubuntu is not remembering the password/tick-mark), or why flash is not working in Firefox, or why the sound is crackling (and changing the audio driver back/forth magically solves it), or why the default PDF viewer is Xpdf (which makes me laugh and spill my coffee with it's antiquated X 1990s interface) -- these people don't want to struggle with the basic shit, they want to focus on their job.
I want to believe, but the reality is disappointing.
Yes, all this has been said before, but I believe the more it's said and in more forums, the sooner they'll take notice and do what needs to be done.
:D Don't be too hard on the poor chap. garatheus is probably from the USA, so he also believes the Far East is New York, and Australia is part of Africa, or something.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there
That really tickled my funnybone, thanks. I can just imagine that infuriating dickwad manager in Office Space with the eternal cup of coffee in his hand...
whoosh!
Similarly:
Someone claims they don't like Christianity and gives examples of why.
Christians (especially fanatics) interpret his words as a hostile attack on their beloved icon, no matter what his intent, and generally engage him in robust debate or smile tolerantly and take pity on him.
Similarly:
Someone claims they don't like Islam and gives examples of why.
Muslims (especially fanatics) interpret his words as a hostile attack on their beloved icon, no matter what his intent, and engage him by cutting his head off, blow him to pieces or shoot him.
Anyway, I love Star Trek, and anyone who dislikes it is a fucking heathen and deserves to die.
But once you're 40+...
you also realize that you're not immortal and that there really are better ways to spend some of your precious free time, like, I don't know, with your wife, kids AND a nice cold frosty.
Sadly, whether it's in the states or elsewhere, the ability to sue assumes the ability to pay exorbitant lawyer fees. Most do not have the resources, something large companies rely on.
aww, look, we have a baby veebee pwogwamma in our midst... how cute!
I'm really surprised we haven't seen a major IT heist yet.
Probably because these events are rarely made public. The goodwill/brand/image damage of these things becoming publicly known often far outweighs the value of the actual theft.
/begin rant.
/begin/ to make any kind of significant inroads into windowsland, THEN FIX THE BASIC SHIT for your target users.
:D
/end rant.
Noble goals, etc, but for crying out load, get the basics right first. Hear me Mark, my cousin?
This is probably all Gnome shortcomings, but still:
Universal copy/paste between applications, like windows, for fuuuuck sakes (don't tell me to right-click select copy).
Consistent window behaviour:
- tabbing behaves differently in various windows.
- hitting enter doesn't always select the default button.
- ESC doesn't always cancel the window.
Yes, yes, there are workarounds and the argument that one simply needs to adapt, etc, etc, to which I reply: fuck off. This is basic shit and there is well-established and expected GUI behaviour which windows folks take for granted. If the Linux "desk top" is ever going to
Then there's the bloody twitching abortion which is Linux printing: default printers mysteriously stop printing. Only workaround is to clone them (then it mysteriously works again). Another fuckup is print authentication: I've already entered the goddamn password - yet my print job is defered because it's decided to forget my password despite my having clicked "Remember my fucking password."
What's up with this friggin crackling when streaming audio? huh? Change the stupid "driver" and it works for a day, then it crackles again. This is simple fucking shit which works flawlessly elsewhere.
Now, don't get me wrong, girls, I love Linux. Have used it since 0.9.x - on servers. However, when it comes to recommending a desktop OS for friends/family, I insist they use windows since I don't have the energy to help them adjust to something which is unnecessarily obtuse and difficult to use.
And please, spare me the knee-jerk fanb0i responses, or I'll bliksem you
Your quote...
...or perhaps you meant to say "Yer quote..." ;D
Sorry, couldn't resist.
This was my experience as well. I'm not a Apple user myself, but I supported maybe 50 Mac users several years ago - all using v9.x - in a graphics/print shop, and it was *terribly* unstable. The networking performance was also a joke.
anybody out there still needing Win9x for one reason or another
No.
load of kak. There, fixed that for you.
Not
...as opposed to the other speeding idiots who don't brake in time and cause accidents?
I bought a detector about a year ago, and have reduced my fine rate to 0 in that period. These devices rely not only on direct detection, but also reflections and being in the general area (or general direction) where a radar device is being used. I've seen this many times when approaching an intersection where a known device is pointed at the centre, but the detector starts yelling half a k down the road.
Detractors can say what they want, but I've found my wife and I tend to be more speed conscious now, and consequently safer drivers.
All that for a few thousand carribou, a few hundred foxes and rodents, and some bears
wow. just wow. You must be one of those chaps who lives in a trailer park, chews tobacco, considers having sex with your sister juz fine, and by jeezuz, never misses an episode of Jerry Springer, coz, by golly-gosh, my momma is on next week!
particularly the carribou, actually do better around the pipes.
more wow. What happens when that pipe breaks? The carribou do just fine without our "help", btw.
Thanks to people like you with your fuck-the-wildlife approach -- much like ol' bushy-boy who I'm sure you consider to be your personal saviour -- we're now causing extinctions on an unprecedented scale.
Sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but you really sound like an idiot.
$100/month
Wrong again, you must have dug deep to pull that out your ass - it's about US$19 (~R145 including line +1GB traffic). Sure, that's for the 384Kb line, but still better than dialup.
But anyway, the root of all evil in SA telecoms is the government which controls and allows Telkom's monopoly. Until that changes, Telkom will keep screwing everyone.
skipped the landlines and went with Vodacom for my internet. IT WAS CHEAPER AND FASTER.
You're confused buddy. 3G is 2-4 times as expensive in SA (traffic usage), and fucking unreliable unless you happen to be close to a tower. If you're a heavy internet user, then you're uninformed for using 3G in SA - as opposed to using ADSL. In SA, ADSL remains the fastest, most reliable and cost-effective compared to all other retail offerings.
There's only one thing more evil than Telkom in SA, and that's Vodacom. btw, Telkom has a stake in Vodacom, and the government has a stake in Telkom... The gov has done *nothing* to reduce the high costs of telecoms in SA - this will only change once more africans (as opposed to whites who are being milked - hey, you're white so therefore you must have money) are online and they have a political incentive to get their finger out their asses.