ignignokt: you and your 8 bit octets frylock: what about it? ignignokt: it's cute we have 11 err: th-thousand ignignokt: yes eleven thousand err: don't question it frylock: well i only see 2 ignignokt: well that sounds like a personal problem
I was going to respond along the same lines. I've spoken with a few individuals who fight traffic offenses about this tactic. Their professional response in court is usually along the lines that you can be accused of only one offense for a given ticket and you can not have be travelling at both speeds at the same time that are listed on the ticket. Then they move to have the ticket thrown out because it brings into question the officer's ability to discern an actual offense took place and the severity of the offense. Ie. "You just said that the accused was travelling at 95km/h AND 105km/h, under that reasoning is it not possible that the accused was also travelling at 85km/h?"
If you get a real jackass JP, they might actually allow the crown to adjoin the higher speed in place of the speed stated on the offense. This is similar to what they do for minor typos in your name and license plate on the ticket. I've heard of it being threatened, but a conviction based on that shouldn't stand on appeal. Good to hear you won, a lot of people don't take advantage of due process.
...it's evidence of the failings of a bloated system's inability..
I don't think it enters into an inability to put out interesting music, I think it's a clear choice. Their economic models don't hinge on what is perceived as interesting, so much as what is perceived as trendy to the listening sheep. They could easily harness their distribution system to release more interesting (fringe/hybrid styles/etc) music, but they won't because there's more money to be made with the shotgun method: point at the biggest market target and keep squeezing over and over and over again.
I'm with you on Non-US music being generally fresher and more interesting, and the industry bloat though.
I don't want to pick up your burden because you found a "legal out" while legal isn't ethical.
Actually it isn't an out, nor is it legal if the currency is treated as an 'out'. This argument came up with barter/alternative currency topics before. The IRS requires that even with barter purchase methods, the values of the goods or services received/performed are declared as dollar values at some point on your tax return. Alot of people don't report these transactions, but you can bet the IRS will start cracking down on this rule if the liberty dollar starts gaining any signifigant traction.
Now their next step is to actually make it availible on their main website. It's great to happen upon the 'cruft-free' version link 100+ comments in on a public forum, but trying to find this through the main pages on Real.com is the proverbial needle in a haystack. Once they make it availible for mass consumption, they'll still distributing the bloatware that is their most recent version.
Just for fun, I decided to see if they had made this easily availible to the public by going to their main webpage (real.com). No links to it, the first 3 links are to a paid version and you still have to be an eagle eye to spot the small plain text link to the 'free version'. Which initiates a download immediately to the crufty v10 player. On top of that, it displays a deceptive 'download now' button to another unrelated arcade game program.
Not to nitpick, but PC financial is actually operated and owned by CIBC through Amicus Bank, which is a subsidiary. Hence PC customers can bank at any CIBC branch for free (though with no teller services). Still part of one of the biggest banks, but with slightly better service and much better rates.
Then that will turn the spotlight on the real crime here: congressional whoring for corporate interests (Disney RIAA MPAA) that has given us everlasting copyrights.
Actually, it's probably more accurate to say that we gave them everlasting copyrights through the actions of our elected officials. Anyways, it's all semantics at this point.
The headers read "VASTE" as opposed to "WASTE". Looks pretty familiar. Also, they clearly ripped off the original explanation of the implementation of RSA encryption in waste as written by Justin/Nullsoft.
That might actually dilute some of the impact 'contributions' have on elected officials decisions. Or it might just spur more corporate spending to spread the payoffs thicker...
2. Stand up on the overpass watching traffic go by. Aim your radar gun at the vehicles moving away from you and press the trigger. Note which cars' brake lights suddenly come on. Radio the cop who's waiting up around the next curve.
I don't know about you, but whether I have a radar detector or not, if I see someone on a overpass pointing a radar gun at me I'm going to hit the brakes.
"An advisory issued by the handset maker said anyone using bandwidth without the permission of the person paying for it was simply stealing."
Well AFAIK, stealing constitutes theft in most peoples minds. Usually the literal meaning of the report is a good way to determine the basis of a story. Or did you mean that we should be paying more attention to the spiritual or figurative meaning in the report - perhaps why poor Nokia feels 'hurt' and 'betrayed'?
It is not aiding and abetting theives, because people who use networks unauthorized are not and cannot be thieves by definition. The worst they are doing is aiding and abetting unauthorized network access, which is not theft. Not even 'theft of service' would apply because that would constitute the entire service being out of the owner's possession.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief.
Does not sound like warchalking cleanly fits the definition of theft to me.
"The future looks like the world where you press record and it doesn't work and you don't know why. You no longer control the media you pay for." - Some guy who can't record.
Well.. I hate to break it to this guy, but you've never _really_ controlled the media you pay for. Your only control is the very limited ones the media companies afford you under extremely narrow conditions. Step outside of the bounds of those conditions and you are now a pirate according to the powers that be.
We're so far ahead infact, that we are behind. The largest broadband provider in Canada made reference to how far behind the American market was.. before jacking our prices up, and QOS down a couple months ago. In a press release they stated that comparatively we're still coming out better than the US on average on a cost/quality/availibility scale.
I guess they asked themselves, "Why provide more than the status quo of the US?". The said truth of the matter is that the majority of the 85% of the Canadian hosueholds with cable broadband will simply take it in the ass. Alot of people can't be bothered to do more than write a cheque every month.
This may stop people from copying CDs, but there's alot more than 'geeky wankers' on kazaa, who will gleefully download the cd with no sweat. The 'geeky wankers' are only needed to start the initial process of distribution, after that it's a free lunch - or so was the jist of the parent's comment.
And last time I checked, almost everyone who downloaded off my p2p share wern't friends, but complete strangers.
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ignignokt: you and your 8 bit octets
frylock: what about it?
ignignokt: it's cute we have 11
err: th-thousand
ignignokt: yes eleven thousand
err: don't question it
frylock: well i only see 2
ignignokt: well that sounds like a personal problem
I was going to respond along the same lines. I've spoken with a few individuals who fight traffic offenses about this tactic. Their professional response in court is usually along the lines that you can be accused of only one offense for a given ticket and you can not have be travelling at both speeds at the same time that are listed on the ticket. Then they move to have the ticket thrown out because it brings into question the officer's ability to discern an actual offense took place and the severity of the offense. Ie. "You just said that the accused was travelling at 95km/h AND 105km/h, under that reasoning is it not possible that the accused was also travelling at 85km/h?"
If you get a real jackass JP, they might actually allow the crown to adjoin the higher speed in place of the speed stated on the offense. This is similar to what they do for minor typos in your name and license plate on the ticket. I've heard of it being threatened, but a conviction based on that shouldn't stand on appeal. Good to hear you won, a lot of people don't take advantage of due process.
Where is Robert Pirsig when you need him?
No doubt. Quality is almost impossible to define, and it's judgement is extremely subjective at best in regards to quality of living.
"Illegal file-sharers steal millions of pounds worth of music through these services."
Wow, I've never heard of such strong file-sharers. They must be lifting weights or something.
(Rimshot)
...it's evidence of the failings of a bloated system's inability..
I don't think it enters into an inability to put out interesting music, I think it's a clear choice. Their economic models don't hinge on what is perceived as interesting, so much as what is perceived as trendy to the listening sheep. They could easily harness their distribution system to release more interesting (fringe/hybrid styles/etc) music, but they won't because there's more money to be made with the shotgun method: point at the biggest market target and keep squeezing over and over and over again.
I'm with you on Non-US music being generally fresher and more interesting, and the industry bloat though.
I don't want to pick up your burden because you found a "legal out" while legal isn't ethical.
Actually it isn't an out, nor is it legal if the currency is treated as an 'out'. This argument came up with barter/alternative currency topics before. The IRS requires that even with barter purchase methods, the values of the goods or services received/performed are declared as dollar values at some point on your tax return. Alot of people don't report these transactions, but you can bet the IRS will start cracking down on this rule if the liberty dollar starts gaining any signifigant traction.
Previewing is a good thing.. should read:
Until they make it availible for mass consumption, they're still distributing the bloatware that is their most recent version.
Now their next step is to actually make it availible on their main website. It's great to happen upon the 'cruft-free' version link 100+ comments in on a public forum, but trying to find this through the main pages on Real.com is the proverbial needle in a haystack. Once they make it availible for mass consumption, they'll still distributing the bloatware that is their most recent version.
Just for fun, I decided to see if they had made this easily availible to the public by going to their main webpage (real.com). No links to it, the first 3 links are to a paid version and you still have to be an eagle eye to spot the small plain text link to the 'free version'. Which initiates a download immediately to the crufty v10 player. On top of that, it displays a deceptive 'download now' button to another unrelated arcade game program.
The parents complaints still stand IMO.
Dell.
Not to nitpick, but PC financial is actually operated and owned by CIBC through Amicus Bank, which is a subsidiary. Hence PC customers can bank at any CIBC branch for free (though with no teller services). Still part of one of the biggest banks, but with slightly better service and much better rates.
The MPAA's version of copyright law is that infringement == theft, which is a loose interpretation to be sure, as argued numerous times already.
Then that will turn the spotlight on the real crime here: congressional whoring for corporate interests (Disney RIAA MPAA) that has given us everlasting copyrights.
Actually, it's probably more accurate to say that we gave them everlasting copyrights through the actions of our elected officials. Anyways, it's all semantics at this point.
The headers read "VASTE" as opposed to "WASTE". Looks pretty familiar. Also, they clearly ripped off the original explanation of the implementation of RSA encryption in waste as written by Justin/Nullsoft.
That might actually dilute some of the impact 'contributions' have on elected officials decisions. Or it might just spur more corporate spending to spread the payoffs thicker...
I remember reading this article a while ago about the left vs. right hands of Sony Corp, interesting perspective.
I don't know about you, but whether I have a radar detector or not, if I see someone on a overpass pointing a radar gun at me I'm going to hit the brakes.
"An advisory issued by the handset maker said anyone using bandwidth without the permission of the person paying for it was simply stealing."
Well AFAIK, stealing constitutes theft in most peoples minds. Usually the literal meaning of the report is a good way to determine the basis of a story. Or did you mean that we should be paying more attention to the spiritual or figurative meaning in the report - perhaps why poor Nokia feels 'hurt' and 'betrayed'?
It is not aiding and abetting theives, because people who use networks unauthorized are not and cannot be thieves by definition. The worst they are doing is aiding and abetting unauthorized network access, which is not theft. Not even 'theft of service' would apply because that would constitute the entire service being out of the owner's possession.
Does not sound like warchalking cleanly fits the definition of theft to me.
"The future looks like the world where you press record and it doesn't work and you don't know why. You no longer control the media you pay for." - Some guy who can't record.
Well.. I hate to break it to this guy, but you've never _really_ controlled the media you pay for. Your only control is the very limited ones the media companies afford you under extremely narrow conditions. Step outside of the bounds of those conditions and you are now a pirate according to the powers that be.
Accidents? There are no accidents. Everything that happens, happens for a reason.
I think mass distribution of music for profit would be around today.. it's just a question of which party would be making the profit.
We're so far ahead infact, that we are behind. The largest broadband provider in Canada made reference to how far behind the American market was.. before jacking our prices up, and QOS down a couple months ago. In a press release they stated that comparatively we're still coming out better than the US on average on a cost/quality/availibility scale.
I guess they asked themselves, "Why provide more than the status quo of the US?". The said truth of the matter is that the majority of the 85% of the Canadian hosueholds with cable broadband will simply take it in the ass. Alot of people can't be bothered to do more than write a cheque every month.
Well.. the faster it propogates and evolves, the faster microsoft will actually have to do something about it.. (atleast in theory, eh?)
This may stop people from copying CDs, but there's alot more than 'geeky wankers' on kazaa, who will gleefully download the cd with no sweat. The 'geeky wankers' are only needed to start the initial process of distribution, after that it's a free lunch - or so was the jist of the parent's comment.
And last time I checked, almost everyone who downloaded off my p2p share wern't friends, but complete strangers.