I really don't see what the big deal is when it comes to spam.
I care only about spam because of: -the traffic it generates -the crap it causes at work on our corporate mail servers
For my personal e-mail, I've used yahoo for years. I get around 60 spams per day. Perhaps bulk-mail doesn't catch one or two of them. It's really not a big deal.
I don't know why anybody would run their own mail server for personal email . Get over yourselves folks, and let somebody else do it for you. It's -been done-, know what I mean?
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Why is it that every Windows XP user thinks the goal of the Linux community is to convince windows user to make the switch?
Dude - just stick with Winblows. You have no time to "know linux", as you put it, so just stick with what you know. You can post on Slashdot either way.
Please, developers, don't dumb Linux apps/distros down so much that it looks and feels like Windows.
If you asking for a verdict, that implies a jury - and jury's imply impartial. Slashdot impartial about a Windows service pack? Yeah, okay....I've got this bridge for sale, anybody interested?
This is soooo true. Hardware and software are one time costs.
I often tell people who give me a hard time for using open source for proof-of-concepts that if I work on something for one or two days that the company paid hundreds of dollars for the software, hehe...
The last shop I worked for ran BASIS PRO/5 on a big rs/6000 - this was a 250 million dollar company. It ran their rental business. Business Basic running on AIX. Complete with Ready> prompt and line numbers. They still run it, put the system in production in 1998. Yes, you read it right. Ready prompt and line numbers, interpreted basic ran a 250 million dollar company -
intepreted basic really let the vendor fix errors as they came up -
This always cracks me up. Millions of hours of work go into an open source unix - and some idiot complains about not having mp3 support available out of the box.
You must not run any systems that -need- to be up, or you're not paying for any good hardware support.
First, I do agree with you on the software support issue.
I don't think anybody is talking about component level repair, rather, replacement is the issue here. I can call a vendor and have them onsite within an hour for a 6-7 year old system. These are Intel compaq servers. Yes, you pay a lot for this type of support, but when a system -has- to be up, it's really not a lot of money compared to the cost of downtime. Drop in the bucket really.
I don't care much about this topic. I own a dreamcast that I fire up -maybe- once every 2 weeks. it's enough to scratch the rare gaming itch i get.
the consoles are going to be doing much more than games. Why do you think Microsoft got into the market? Heck, my dreamcast has a built in modem and I can browse the web with it.
you manage the team. Isn't it -your- job to pick the best tool for the job?
I don't know either language well enough, but it seems obvious to me that a tool designed from the ground up to be a server side web app language must be better suited to some web apps than perl, which pretty much was designed to do damn near anything.
There really aren't many reasons to upgrade in a corporate setting. 98 does a good job of running Office. Unless you want to manage your desktops with Active Directory - no real reason to upgrade...
does anybody have pointers to any real discussion about the new features in this release? This slashdot discussion is nothing but "interface sux" and "I'm not moving from photoshop until gimp does x" crap...
for you windows guys, better check out winbatch. It's BASIC - but you can compile it. There are "extenders" for just about every task you can think of. You can access OLE/COM - but chances are there is already a library for what you need. There is an IDE with built in debugging. Context sensitive help. Fantastic documentation too - great support community as well.
Stolen from their webpage:
WinBatch is: A complete programming language designed for all utilities A perfect tool for power users and system administrators A LAN utility development tool An Internet utility development tool A business process automator A high level programming language that is easy to learn and use, without the learning curve and complexity of traditional programming languages such as C, C++, and VB.
No - it's not free - but it's cheap. The compiler is fairly expensive at $500 though.
It's a fantastic tool - couldn't imagine managing windows boxes without it. Screw VBScript, why should I mess with objects to send something to the console or get at an environment variable?
- it needs to support closed apps - it needs to have less choice (1 desktop) - one scripting environment
might as well stick with windows.
I read an article today about the mozilla platform, all of this talk about kde vs. gnome helps me understand that article better. If I was a developer I'd probably just choose mozilla and have it run everywhere...heck, even java would help out those worried developers, hehe...
I've read most of the comments on this story - and I don't think anybody has mentioned Active Directory. AD is one thing companies are missing out on if they keep 9x on the desktop. Sure, those clients can participate in the domain, but you don't get group policy. Group policy gives you a pleasant way to manage the desktop, install software, enforce policies etc (assuming you're an all 2k shop)
Security - there something else missing in 9x. I'm sure there are plenty of shops don't need desktop security - there are plenty that do....
So - upgrades to 2k/xp are good for the -IT shop-, but the corporate user could probably give a $hit. But who want to manage hundreds or thousands of desktops? Not us - so we are going to Terminal Services + Citrix with Wyse dumb ICA clients at the desktop.
Plug in Wyse, in 3-5 seconds you have a windows 2000 logon screen. Much less fuss to run Office2k + terminal emulation than A/D and group policy...
this is insightful? cmon folks - some guy has a hard time getting the software and that is his entire review?
This is all your going to base your future decisions on? Dude, your not going to be successful in your projects if you skip the best solution because you don't want to cough up another 20 bucks...That is darn irresponsible of you.
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I really don't see what the big deal is when it comes to spam.
I care only about spam because of:
-the traffic it generates
-the crap it causes at work on our corporate mail servers
For my personal e-mail, I've used yahoo for years. I get around 60 spams per day. Perhaps bulk-mail doesn't catch one or two of them. It's really not a big deal.
I don't know why anybody would run their own mail server for personal email . Get over yourselves folks, and let somebody else do it for you. It's -been done-, know what I mean?
Why is it that every Windows XP user thinks the goal of the Linux community is to convince windows user to make the switch?
Dude - just stick with Winblows. You have no time to "know linux", as you put it, so just stick with what you know. You can post on Slashdot either way.
Please, developers, don't dumb Linux apps/distros down so much that it looks and feels like Windows.
If you asking for a verdict, that implies a jury - and jury's imply impartial. Slashdot impartial about a Windows service pack? Yeah, okay....I've got this bridge for sale, anybody interested?
Nothing under Redhat about folks wanting to use at home what they will be expected to -know- at work...
I look at my home experience as training for work -
Let's not foget that people pay $150 for a license TO USE Windows, not to own, or re-distribute, or re-license, etc etc etc...
All of the athletes should strike. :)
Show the IOC who is in charge. I bet the IOC would change their minds in a hurry
How DARE they take away the athletes freedom to WRITE?
Perhaps a strike, and the inevitable reversal by the IOC's position, would bring the Olympics, and the -ATHLETES- back into our hearts...
Anybody who uses the words "production" and "mp3" in the same article obviously has no idea what "production" means.
Let's get back to reality folks.
like any big IT shop is running XP on the desktop. Our big IT shop (8000+) is still finishing up 2k.
This is soooo true. Hardware and software are one time costs.
I often tell people who give me a hard time for using open source for proof-of-concepts that if I work on something for one or two days that the company paid hundreds of dollars for the software, hehe...
I describe open source as good enough for IBM, Cisco, Oracle, HP, Amazon, Yahoo, etc etc etc.
Open Source is good. Get over it.
I kid you not...
The last shop I worked for ran BASIS PRO/5 on a big rs/6000 - this was a 250 million dollar company. It ran their rental business. Business Basic running on AIX. Complete with
Ready> prompt and line numbers. They still run it, put the system in production in 1998.
Yes, you read it right. Ready prompt and line numbers, interpreted basic ran a 250 million dollar company -
intepreted basic really let the vendor fix errors as they came up -
This always cracks me up. Millions of hours of work go into an open source unix - and some idiot complains about not having mp3 support available out of the box.
You must not run any systems that -need- to be up, or you're not paying for any good hardware support.
First, I do agree with you on the software support issue.
I don't think anybody is talking about component level repair, rather, replacement is the issue here. I can call a vendor and have them onsite within an hour for a 6-7 year old system. These are Intel compaq servers. Yes, you pay a lot for this type of support, but when a system -has- to be up, it's really not a lot of money compared to the cost of downtime. Drop in the bucket really.
I don't care much about this topic. I own a dreamcast that I fire up -maybe- once every 2 weeks. it's enough to scratch the rare gaming itch i get.
the consoles are going to be doing much more than games. Why do you think Microsoft got into the market? Heck, my dreamcast has a built in modem and I can browse the web with it.
you manage the team. Isn't it -your- job to pick the best tool for the job?
I don't know either language well enough, but it seems obvious to me that a tool designed from the ground up to be a server side web app language must be better suited to some web apps than perl, which pretty much was designed to do damn near anything.
i agree -
:)
we've got sun trying to keep "control"
we've got esr trying to control what sun does -
what are people using? Perl and Python - both java and esr should just go away
esr is kinda like bush - wages wars the people don't want
There really aren't many reasons to upgrade in a corporate setting. 98 does a good job of running Office. Unless you want to manage your desktops with Active Directory - no real reason to upgrade...
does anybody have pointers to any real discussion about the new features in this release? This slashdot discussion is nothing but "interface sux" and "I'm not moving from photoshop until gimp does x" crap...
I'm a speakeasy dialup user here - never once have I been disconnected. No time outs either.
I use Linux with an external USR 56k, that must help, but I think speakeasy has a lot to do with it too.
for you windows guys, better check out winbatch. It's BASIC - but you can compile it. There are "extenders" for just about every task you can think of. You can access OLE/COM - but chances are there is already a library for what you need. There is an IDE with built in debugging. Context sensitive help. Fantastic documentation too - great support community as well.
Stolen from their webpage:
WinBatch is:
A complete programming language designed for all utilities
A perfect tool for power users and system administrators
A LAN utility development tool
An Internet utility development tool
A business process automator
A high level programming language that is easy to learn and use, without the learning curve and complexity of traditional programming languages such as C, C++, and VB.
No - it's not free - but it's cheap. The compiler is fairly expensive at $500 though.
It's a fantastic tool - couldn't imagine managing windows boxes without it. Screw VBScript, why should I mess with objects to send something to the console or get at an environment variable?
this userLinux stuff sound really great -
- it needs to support closed apps
- it needs to have less choice (1 desktop)
- one scripting environment
might as well stick with windows.
I read an article today about the mozilla platform, all of this talk about kde vs. gnome helps me understand that article better. If I was a developer I'd probably just choose mozilla and have it run everywhere...heck, even java would help out those worried developers, hehe...
Your argument was good enough - you didn't have to resort to bashing MCSE's at the end there.
I've read most of the comments on this story - and I don't think anybody has mentioned Active Directory. AD is one thing companies are missing out on if they keep 9x on the desktop. Sure, those clients can participate in the domain, but you don't get group policy. Group policy gives you a pleasant way to manage the desktop, install software, enforce policies etc (assuming you're an all 2k shop)
Security - there something else missing in 9x. I'm sure there are plenty of shops don't need desktop security - there are plenty that do....
So - upgrades to 2k/xp are good for the -IT shop-, but the corporate user could probably give a $hit.
But who want to manage hundreds or thousands of desktops? Not us - so we are going to Terminal Services + Citrix with Wyse dumb ICA clients at the desktop.
Plug in Wyse, in 3-5 seconds you have a windows 2000 logon screen. Much less fuss to run Office2k + terminal emulation than A/D and group policy...
this is insightful?
cmon folks -
some guy has a hard time getting the software and that is his entire review?
This is all your going to base your future decisions on? Dude, your not going to be successful in your projects if you skip the best solution because you don't want to cough up another 20 bucks...That is darn irresponsible of you.