And regardless of who wrote these religious texts (divine inspiration, folk story, philosophers or old fashioned kooks)
Your analysis implies that God (if She has ever existed) has denied divine inspiration to old-fashioned kooks. Or at least, that's how I read it. Is that intentional, accidental, or me mis-reading you? Because, from what I can see of the behaviour of the religious, if I'm going to accept the existence of a God to provide divine inspiration, then I'm pretty sure that a number of times She has sought out the most deranged whack-jobs in the asylum to touch with her Noodly Appendage.
There are far too many variables here for it to ever be very reliable.
That may or ma not be true with respect to modern people, but essentially identical techniques have been used for a good while in archaeological investigation with high reliability. Of course, more than a century ago (when the police start to say "this is an archaeological investigation, not a criminal matter), people had a far more locally-sourced diet, as you correctly point out. Evidence like this could be put before a court, but any competent defence lawyer should be able to (honestly) place sufficient doubt in sufficient juror's minds that it's unlikely to be a severe threat. Assuming that you've got a competent defence lawyer.
You get harassed for "being white", I get harassed for "being black",...
If it makes you feel better... I can see potential for using this sort of dehumanising sort of job as a punishment for some sorts of racist crime. Imagine, if it pleases you, some local Klan lord or Aryan Brother scumball (or from my side of the pond, we could send you a few members of the British Nazi Party, now that the election is nearly over) having to do his community service by being rented out to some Chinese body shop to serve as a prop representing the body form of a feared and hated minority. Well, I can see ways of using this to make life particularly miserable for people whose lives deserve to be made miserable.
... do the offspring of the retards in cases like this get executed along with the parents. It's only going to improve the genepool if the whole bloodline is stamped out. If you don't do that, the bad genes will come back into play in some future re-shuffling.
OK, maybe that's a little harsh. The kids are, probably, innocent victims in this. Sterilisation would be an acceptable alternative to execution.
What are you complaining about? It's the American way. And if I recall correctly, it was legal in living memory. My living memory. Mid-1970s.
... but I don't have a WiFi problem. You've got the house wired for Cat5 too. My house is wired for Cat5, and has been for about a decade now.
Here is how I avoid having WiFi problems : I don't use WiFi. I don't need it. so all the problems of remotely brickable routers, abysmal to pathetic security, and allowing the neighbours to jack off to MY porn collection - all of them just don't happen.
There is an old, old joke that a medic student friend once told me : PATIENT : Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I [do X]. DOCTOR : Then don't [do X].
Oh, sorry, that's not the solution you're looking for. Oh well, try the next room along the corridor. Bye.
Not to start any arguments, but informed blu-ray consumers
... which I'm not : I've seen one blu-ray for about 3 minutes at a friend's house after specifically asking him to "blow my socks off and make me go and get a system tomorrow". Since said friend knows and cares more about sound, vision and other ephemera (as opposed to actual content) and I respect his opinion, then the fact that my socks stayed on and my wallet-moths slumbered undisturbed is good enough for me for the next decade or two. Or a couple of good, bloody format wars.
Regarding the comments about consoles... so? I got a games console for the wife for Xmas - a Wii. I don't think that it's been switched on since February. I should have kept my socks on and the wallet moths caged. Regarding iWhatevers : been there, seen them, had a Mac (and sold it for a modest profit). The phone company proposed (up-/down-)grading me to an iPhone on Friday... I think I'll skip. Don't need yet another bloody user interface in my face. I'll stick with my Nokia, as long as I can get one that doesn't try to do anything more than telephony, address-bookery, SMSery, and plays MP3s (OGGs would be a nice extra, not that I've got more than 2 or 3 lectures in OGG format). I actively want telephones that do less and claim to do even less.
"New" does not necessarily mean, or even suggest, "better" in my book. It's not excluded as a possibility, but it will have to be demonstrated *in* *each* *and* *every* *case*. Case in point at work : I have to upgrade a data acquisition system from the bleeding edge of the early 2000s back to something we hacked together in the mid-80s to try to regain a reasonable degree of usability and reliability ; it pisses me off that someone (senior to me, but junior) was seduced by "new = better" and wasted nearly a staff-member-year worth of money on making life more difficult for everyone.
Good analysis... until you realise that only the most trivially unimportant of terrorist organisations use guns in any significant degree. What was the Colt-to-Boeing ratio in the September 11 events? The Smith&Weston-to-Pratt&Whitney ratio? Gatling gun manufacturers will soon have to get the queues of people lining up already to be mown down in order to match the potential of a poorly engineered recreation of a smallpox-like virus in the next year. Guns just aren't terribly efficient when it comes to inflicting mass terror. They're barely noticeable compared to explosives, and not even on the same scale as bio-weapons (including starvation).
have been planning for more than a year for all of us to upgrade our old TVs, displays, DVD players and game systems to the "new 3D".
You missed out the Blu-Ray players. All good consumers will have brought a new Blu-Ray player in the last 6 months, which they will now be throwing into the bin (FreeCycling or giving to a friend is NOT acceptable) in order to buy a new [everything, including a 3d-toaster].
I'm not a good consumer. I'll be considering whether or not a Blu-Ray player is a worthwhile investment after the NEXT format war has a clear winner. (Note : that is not a commitment to actually buy a new one ; I'd be perfectly happy with second-user.)
True. I don't think it's even available on non-specialist channels here.
they watch it for the crashes.
And precisely how does this distinguish "NASCAR" from every form of racing since Ben Hur went round the Colloseum (sorry, Circus Maximus?) wearing his wristwatch?
OK, I'll make an exception - I doubt that the crashes at the dog track are particularly engaging. And people watching the Iditerod are probably more interested in the count of frostbitten toes, fingers and even heads.
How many hours was that guy on shift without a rest?
Not likely to have been even 12 hours. When you've a 24x7x365 operation, you've got little choice but to equip yourself with bedspace, catering, shitters etc for people to work 12 hour on/ 12 hour off. In practice I'd be surprised if the crew didn't consist of doubled-up operators, both of whom can fly the ROV, do the paperwork etc. That way, when things get hectic there's someone else around who understands the operation and when things are trundling along there's no hassle about changing drivers to allow one to go for a shit. That would make it unlikely that people would be on the stick for more than a couple of hours.
Boring, undramatic and difficult work. Pay is pretty good too - it's taken me the thick end of 20 years to get up to ROV pilot's wages - but I can continue going up. Which reminds me - I haven't seen Paddy for a while...
So you will be writing security updates for Windows 2000 by yourself, or backporting them from XP? Or just hoping that firewall and antivirus are all the updates you need?
Plus sacking a couple of employees each month for going outside the company intranet. "Pour encourager les autres", as Voltaire used to say.
... but what do we do when our female relatives start showing up in ads at our favorite pron site? "Oh, look at the boobs on that... Aunt Jane?!?!"
Why... you check that your gender balance is inappropriate, or that your contraception is in place, and then just dive on in there.
(Spent most of the last fortnight with Tom Lehrer in the CD player : His rivals used to say quite a bit, But as a monarch he was most unfit. But still in all they had to admit That he loved his mother. (And if you don't know how that finishes up, drop your Geek Card in the incinerator... followed by your eyeballs and self.)
Some of them likely have legitimate state secrets that will cause harm if released.
I'd dispute your use of "legitimate" in respect of any "state secrets that will cause harm if released". At the very least, they'd show that the state representatives in question are guilty of hypocrisy ; more likely guilty of something more heinous, such as racism, stupidity, bigotry, prejudice... all the unpleasant aspects of the normal human psyche which we employ our state representatives to leave at the reception desk when they check in for work. (Note : I'm not attacking the right of the representatives to hold and talk about unpleasant views on their own time ; just not when they're at work.)
BP should pay for their mistakes, but they shouldn't have to pay workers not to work due to a government decision.
This one I can see running and running. Like "The Mousetrap", but in a long-drawn out form. Lawyers yet unconceived will be retiring on the profits of this.
Well, I'd imagine that it uses the cellular network for reporting into the authorities, so if the designers are smart it would use a-GPS [wikipedia.org].
I've heard of such things, but I wonder why (apart from "brand recognition" for the sheeple) they bother to call it GP-Satellite, when it also requires cellular networking, data connections, "assistance servers" and probably Jan Pierce's grey mare too.
There's also the not-trivial detail that I've spent most of the last 2 weeks over 3 miles from the nearest mobile phone connection. GPS works, perfectly, in the area, but no mobile signal. But then that just means that "A-GPS" is increasingly badly named. Oh, I did use the phrase "criminal misrepresentation" in describing the marketing already, didn't I? It's one of those abuses of language that Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee would have delighted in.
... knew about Afghanistan's mineral wealth nearly 2400 years ago. It's sure contributed a lot to the region's stability and prosperity over the millennia since. (Actually, in some smaller provinces it perhaps has ; but like most of Central Asia for most of the time, it's been a question of subsistence farming with minor creaming of money from travelling traders for food, shelter and fodder. Scrub that "Central Asia" bit - most of the world.)
...largest ever cache of dinosaur remains continues to flow from Deepwater Horizon as crude oil.
Just to be boring : the target horizons in most of the Mexican Gulf are no earlier than mid-Tertiary (for the examples that get cited endlessly, regardless of how irrelevant they are to pore pressure engineering in the rest of the USA, let alone the rest of the world) and so post-date the non-avian dinosaurs ; secondly, organic tracer molecules and kerogen analysis has fairly conclusively demonstrated that the main sources of organic matter for most large oil plays is land-derived plant cells, not animal remains.
Is the well still flowing? It's dropped out of the news.
Its nearly universally believed among earth scientists that quakes are yet unpredictable.
Speaking as an Earth Scientist, I'm perfectly confident that earthquakes are predictable enough for my purposes : anywhere within 50 miles of a magnitude 4.0 or higher quake in instrumental history has a significant chance (P>0.05) of receiving a comparably-sized quake in the next century. Oh, you wanted a more precise prediction? Ask someone else - that's as precise as I'm going to go. Earthquake prediction isn't reliably any better than that. Yet. And to be honest, except in a few very unusual circumstances, I don't see any progress that would lead to moving the precision of prediction to a decadal scale instead of a centennial scale. (One of the small number of exceptions would be the busted predictions at Parkfield, California ; the busting of that prediction hasn't been terribly surprising.)
Here is an important, but probably unhelpful prediction : of the next hundred million people killed by earthquakes in the world (including by consequent famine), under 10% of the victims will live in the developed world. Here is a slightly more useful prediction (based on historical seismicity only, so likely as reliable as the Parkfield prediction) : more than half of the next hundred million victims will die in India.
Hell, there wouldn't even be a long drawn out investigation. *keystrokes*, "Hmm, looks like he is at Sams Club, send a radio car to that location...."
Wouldn't be like that. It's a GPS system, so it's not going to work very well indoors, inside cars with metallised window darkening, vans, etc. So more likely the last location update that it's going to send out is the location at which the convicted (I hope) felon (probably, if the courts are any thing better than 50% accurate. which is a separate question.) was last visible to the sky. If that's at a subway station within his paroled area (I don't know the cities involved - do they have subways?), then at that point there's nothing parole-violating that's been happening, so you're in the territory to generate a false positive alarm. Is your parolee prevented from working under a car on his own driveway? There's a second class of GPS failures that could lead to false positives.
Very likely, the designers (or more likely, their marketing departments) falsely misrepresented the likelihood of false positives and false negatives in the system, and now the people running it find that they simply don't have the funding to investigate the number of alarms they do get. There's probably a case for criminal misrepresentation in the advertising, or possibly bribery and corruption ("kick back" is I believe the normal term?) in the procurement policy. But they're white-collar crimes performed by rich people, so don't warrant investigation.
(Of course I haven't even started to consider the ways such a system could be foiled by deliberate action ; dexterous removal and attachment to the dog ; going under the car, then wrapping the GPS receiver in a Faraday cage so it can't pick up a signal and disappearing. When you know that the follow-up rate on positive alarms is low, you don't need to worry about getting caught, and you don't need to worry much about getting logged.)
Earlier versions - 3.8 is one if I recall - had mass JPEG-comment-editing features. I can't seem to get that to work in 4.23. The current version is 4.27.
Select multiple files in the thumbnail view File/Jpeg Lossless/ Comment (approximating - I've not learned how to get it running under Wine) The same comment is applied to (or appended to) the existing comments.
My general procedure after a day of photography is to select all the photos with one characteristic (e.g., being of Skye, not Rhum [neighbouring Scottish islands]) and set their comment to that, then select a sub-set (e.g. "eagles" as opposed to "basking sharks") and append that to the comment. Lather, rinse, repeat until I have a a lot of photos with appropriate comments. Then I do a bulk rename using a command like "[EXIF-date-taken %YYYY-%mm-%DD %HH-%MM-%SS] [Comment] [Original file name]" (RTF-IrfanView-help-file for the exact codes to use). This puts the date-time and comments (tags) into the file name, and also retains the original file name to ensure a unique name.
Yes, you can end up with rather long file names (last time I searched, my longest was just short of 300 characters). But it allows me to retrieve photos of "Kings College" AND "sandstone" OR "virginia creeper" fairly easily.
Works for me. Your mileage may vary. And I've got to devote the time to getting IFV working under Whine.
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Your analysis implies that God (if She has ever existed) has denied divine inspiration to old-fashioned kooks. Or at least, that's how I read it. Is that intentional, accidental, or me mis-reading you? Because, from what I can see of the behaviour of the religious, if I'm going to accept the existence of a God to provide divine inspiration, then I'm pretty sure that a number of times She has sought out the most deranged whack-jobs in the asylum to touch with her Noodly Appendage.
Damn, I let it slip out.
That may or ma not be true with respect to modern people, but essentially identical techniques have been used for a good while in archaeological investigation with high reliability. Of course, more than a century ago (when the police start to say "this is an archaeological investigation, not a criminal matter), people had a far more locally-sourced diet, as you correctly point out.
Evidence like this could be put before a court, but any competent defence lawyer should be able to (honestly) place sufficient doubt in sufficient juror's minds that it's unlikely to be a severe threat. Assuming that you've got a competent defence lawyer.
I don't know. Perhaps one of the interrogators could ask Naomi Campbell when she's on the stand for possession of a blood diamond?
If it makes you feel better ... I can see potential for using this sort of dehumanising sort of job as a punishment for some sorts of racist crime.
Imagine, if it pleases you, some local Klan lord or Aryan Brother scumball (or from my side of the pond, we could send you a few members of the British Nazi Party, now that the election is nearly over) having to do his community service by being rented out to some Chinese body shop to serve as a prop representing the body form of a feared and hated minority.
Well, I can see ways of using this to make life particularly miserable for people whose lives deserve to be made miserable.
... do the offspring of the retards in cases like this get executed along with the parents. It's only going to improve the genepool if the whole bloodline is stamped out. If you don't do that, the bad genes will come back into play in some future re-shuffling.
OK, maybe that's a little harsh. The kids are, probably, innocent victims in this. Sterilisation would be an acceptable alternative to execution.
What are you complaining about? It's the American way. And if I recall correctly, it was legal in living memory. My living memory. Mid-1970s.
... but I don't have a WiFi problem. You've got the house wired for Cat5 too. My house is wired for Cat5, and has been for about a decade now.
Here is how I avoid having WiFi problems : I don't use WiFi. I don't need it. so all the problems of remotely brickable routers, abysmal to pathetic security, and allowing the neighbours to jack off to MY porn collection - all of them just don't happen.
There is an old, old joke that a medic student friend once told me :
PATIENT : Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I [do X].
DOCTOR : Then don't [do X].
Oh, sorry, that's not the solution you're looking for. Oh well, try the next room along the corridor. Bye.
Regarding the comments about consoles ... so? I got a games console for the wife for Xmas - a Wii. I don't think that it's been switched on since February. I should have kept my socks on and the wallet moths caged. ... I think I'll skip. Don't need yet another bloody user interface in my face. I'll stick with my Nokia, as long as I can get one that doesn't try to do anything more than telephony, address-bookery, SMSery, and plays MP3s (OGGs would be a nice extra, not that I've got more than 2 or 3 lectures in OGG format). I actively want telephones that do less and claim to do even less.
Regarding iWhatevers : been there, seen them, had a Mac (and sold it for a modest profit). The phone company proposed (up-/down-)grading me to an iPhone on Friday
"New" does not necessarily mean, or even suggest, "better" in my book. It's not excluded as a possibility, but it will have to be demonstrated *in* *each* *and* *every* *case*.
Case in point at work : I have to upgrade a data acquisition system from the bleeding edge of the early 2000s back to something we hacked together in the mid-80s to try to regain a reasonable degree of usability and reliability ; it pisses me off that someone (senior to me, but junior) was seduced by "new = better" and wasted nearly a staff-member-year worth of money on making life more difficult for everyone.
Good analysis ... until you realise that only the most trivially unimportant of terrorist organisations use guns in any significant degree. What was the Colt-to-Boeing ratio in the September 11 events? The Smith&Weston-to-Pratt&Whitney ratio? Gatling gun manufacturers will soon have to get the queues of people lining up already to be mown down in order to match the potential of a poorly engineered recreation of a smallpox-like virus in the next year.
Guns just aren't terribly efficient when it comes to inflicting mass terror. They're barely noticeable compared to explosives, and not even on the same scale as bio-weapons (including starvation).
You missed out the Blu-Ray players. All good consumers will have brought a new Blu-Ray player in the last 6 months, which they will now be throwing into the bin (FreeCycling or giving to a friend is NOT acceptable) in order to buy a new [everything, including a 3d-toaster].
I'm not a good consumer. I'll be considering whether or not a Blu-Ray player is a worthwhile investment after the NEXT format war has a clear winner. (Note : that is not a commitment to actually buy a new one ; I'd be perfectly happy with second-user.)
Whistle-blowing-promoting heretic! Burn the whistle-blowing-promoting heretic!
Don't you realise what potential effects this could have on your Boss's car allowance?
True. I don't think it's even available on non-specialist channels here.
And precisely how does this distinguish "NASCAR" from every form of racing since Ben Hur went round the Colloseum (sorry, Circus Maximus?) wearing his wristwatch?
OK, I'll make an exception - I doubt that the crashes at the dog track are particularly engaging. And people watching the Iditerod are probably more interested in the count of frostbitten toes, fingers and even heads.
Not likely to have been even 12 hours. When you've a 24x7x365 operation, you've got little choice but to equip yourself with bedspace, catering, shitters etc for people to work 12 hour on/ 12 hour off. In practice I'd be surprised if the crew didn't consist of doubled-up operators, both of whom can fly the ROV, do the paperwork etc. That way, when things get hectic there's someone else around who understands the operation and when things are trundling along there's no hassle about changing drivers to allow one to go for a shit. That would make it unlikely that people would be on the stick for more than a couple of hours.
Boring, undramatic and difficult work. Pay is pretty good too - it's taken me the thick end of 20 years to get up to ROV pilot's wages - but I can continue going up. Which reminds me - I haven't seen Paddy for a while ...
Plus sacking a couple of employees each month for going outside the company intranet. "Pour encourager les autres", as Voltaire used to say.
Right direction, wrong decade.
Why ... you check that your gender balance is inappropriate, or that your contraception is in place, and then just dive on in there.
(Spent most of the last fortnight with Tom Lehrer in the CD player : ... followed by your eyeballs and self.)
His rivals used to say quite a bit,
But as a monarch he was most unfit.
But still in all they had to admit
That he loved his mother.
(And if you don't know how that finishes up, drop your Geek Card in the incinerator
Morocco being in the "sotadic zone", that prospect is decidedly less sexist than it sounds.
Didn't know that. Kudos to PNAS (not that they need it).
I'd dispute your use of "legitimate" in respect of any "state secrets that will cause harm if released". At the very least, they'd show that the state representatives in question are guilty of hypocrisy ; more likely guilty of something more heinous, such as racism, stupidity, bigotry, prejudice ... all the unpleasant aspects of the normal human psyche which we employ our state representatives to leave at the reception desk when they check in for work.
(Note : I'm not attacking the right of the representatives to hold and talk about unpleasant views on their own time ; just not when they're at work.)
This one I can see running and running. Like "The Mousetrap", but in a long-drawn out form. Lawyers yet unconceived will be retiring on the profits of this.
I've heard of such things, but I wonder why (apart from "brand recognition" for the sheeple) they bother to call it GP-Satellite, when it also requires cellular networking, data connections, "assistance servers" and probably Jan Pierce's grey mare too.
There's also the not-trivial detail that I've spent most of the last 2 weeks over 3 miles from the nearest mobile phone connection. GPS works, perfectly, in the area, but no mobile signal. But then that just means that "A-GPS" is increasingly badly named. Oh, I did use the phrase "criminal misrepresentation" in describing the marketing already, didn't I? It's one of those abuses of language that Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee would have delighted in.
... knew about Afghanistan's mineral wealth nearly 2400 years ago. It's sure contributed a lot to the region's stability and prosperity over the millennia since.
(Actually, in some smaller provinces it perhaps has ; but like most of Central Asia for most of the time, it's been a question of subsistence farming with minor creaming of money from travelling traders for food, shelter and fodder. Scrub that "Central Asia" bit - most of the world.)
Just to be boring : the target horizons in most of the Mexican Gulf are no earlier than mid-Tertiary (for the examples that get cited endlessly, regardless of how irrelevant they are to pore pressure engineering in the rest of the USA, let alone the rest of the world) and so post-date the non-avian dinosaurs ; secondly, organic tracer molecules and kerogen analysis has fairly conclusively demonstrated that the main sources of organic matter for most large oil plays is land-derived plant cells, not animal remains.
Is the well still flowing? It's dropped out of the news.
Speaking as an Earth Scientist, I'm perfectly confident that earthquakes are predictable enough for my purposes : anywhere within 50 miles of a magnitude 4.0 or higher quake in instrumental history has a significant chance (P>0.05) of receiving a comparably-sized quake in the next century.
Oh, you wanted a more precise prediction? Ask someone else - that's as precise as I'm going to go. Earthquake prediction isn't reliably any better than that. Yet.
And to be honest, except in a few very unusual circumstances, I don't see any progress that would lead to moving the precision of prediction to a decadal scale instead of a centennial scale. (One of the small number of exceptions would be the busted predictions at Parkfield, California ; the busting of that prediction hasn't been terribly surprising.)
Here is an important, but probably unhelpful prediction : of the next hundred million people killed by earthquakes in the world (including by consequent famine), under 10% of the victims will live in the developed world. Here is a slightly more useful prediction (based on historical seismicity only, so likely as reliable as the Parkfield prediction) : more than half of the next hundred million victims will die in India.
Wouldn't be like that. It's a GPS system, so it's not going to work very well indoors, inside cars with metallised window darkening, vans, etc. So more likely the last location update that it's going to send out is the location at which the convicted (I hope) felon (probably, if the courts are any thing better than 50% accurate. which is a separate question.) was last visible to the sky. If that's at a subway station within his paroled area (I don't know the cities involved - do they have subways?), then at that point there's nothing parole-violating that's been happening, so you're in the territory to generate a false positive alarm. Is your parolee prevented from working under a car on his own driveway? There's a second class of GPS failures that could lead to false positives.
Very likely, the designers (or more likely, their marketing departments) falsely misrepresented the likelihood of false positives and false negatives in the system, and now the people running it find that they simply don't have the funding to investigate the number of alarms they do get. There's probably a case for criminal misrepresentation in the advertising, or possibly bribery and corruption ("kick back" is I believe the normal term?) in the procurement policy. But they're white-collar crimes performed by rich people, so don't warrant investigation.
(Of course I haven't even started to consider the ways such a system could be foiled by deliberate action ; dexterous removal and attachment to the dog ; going under the car, then wrapping the GPS receiver in a Faraday cage so it can't pick up a signal and disappearing. When you know that the follow-up rate on positive alarms is low, you don't need to worry about getting caught, and you don't need to worry much about getting logged.)
Select multiple files in the thumbnail view
File/Jpeg Lossless/ Comment (approximating - I've not learned how to get it running under Wine)
The same comment is applied to (or appended to) the existing comments.
My general procedure after a day of photography is to select all the photos with one characteristic (e.g., being of Skye, not Rhum [neighbouring Scottish islands]) and set their comment to that, then select a sub-set (e.g. "eagles" as opposed to "basking sharks") and append that to the comment. Lather, rinse, repeat until I have a a lot of photos with appropriate comments.
Then I do a bulk rename using a command like "[EXIF-date-taken %YYYY-%mm-%DD %HH-%MM-%SS] [Comment] [Original file name]" (RTF-IrfanView-help-file for the exact codes to use). This puts the date-time and comments (tags) into the file name, and also retains the original file name to ensure a unique name.
Yes, you can end up with rather long file names (last time I searched, my longest was just short of 300 characters). But it allows me to retrieve photos of "Kings College" AND "sandstone" OR "virginia creeper" fairly easily.
Works for me. Your mileage may vary. And I've got to devote the time to getting IFV working under Whine.