Yes, by pointing out that link I didn't mean to support one side or the other, I thought it was interesting in its own right.
I think GMOs probably ought to be the product of government nonprofit research which becomes public domain, that would remove some of the more significant objections and reduce the pressure to market something that is actually risky.
Our mindset at my research institution is very different. We generate a certain amount of data per year (several terabytes), but the cost of storage decreases so fast we just copy old data onto new media and never delete ANYTHING.
In fact, we consider the cost of actually figuring out what data to delete to be higher than simply buying more storage.
I would not call it "well-indexed" however.
Our backup strategy is tailored to the nature of our data. Most of our data is simulation results. We back up "lightweight" data and analyzed results, input files, and log files. "Heavyweight" data we do not back up, since we consider the cost of reproducing this data (given the input files and the log files) modified by the low probability of actually ever needing it to be lower than the cost of backing it up. This results in our backup requirement to be maybe 5% of our "live" data archive.
If it gets to the point where we can't afford the storage anymore, we'll delete the "heavyweight" data ourselves to reduce the data footprint.
If it has DRM, I don't buy it. I don't steal DRM or non-DRM either.
Get it through your head, publishing industries, I don't *need* your product and if you make your product unpleasant with DRM, you don't get my money.
This also applies to price-gouging: I will NOT buy a 20 year old song for $0.99. I'd pay $0.05 or $0.10. However, I will NOT "buy" songs from Russian sites at those prices because I don't consider the Russian sites to have legitimate rights to the songs in the first place. So I do without. Because I don't NEED your products.
Fair price, no DRM, and my wallet will open for you like a floodgate--anything less and you get NOTHING.
The fat-cat entertainment industry deserves a huge boycott anyway.
Come on consumers: abandon the price gougers and go for the real entertainment values, you can get hundreds of hours of good interactive entertainment from computer games for $50, why shell out ANYTHING for low-quality high price crap like today's music and movie industry produce?
Even you say that they are not STRONGLY linked--not that they're not linked at all.
MY point is that even if obesity does NOT cause all the problems you mention, it is a problem in and of itself, and even if it is only 10% "cause" of the other problems, then diet pills will still help.
YOU seem to be claiming that the only way to fix things is to fix the diet, and I would say that YOU are being too simplistic. Fixing the diet would be great, but in the absense of that, my point is that pills can be beneficial. Pills are, after all, easy.
What's really sad is that the wealthy don't even have to give up their wealth. Lower classes with more money will lift the wealthy up to dizzyingly new heights. The wealthy GOT RICH on the shoulders of the middle and low classes! If the middle/low class have got no money, who's going to buy the products of the rich?
If the rich had an ounce of foresight and half a brain cell, they'd be doing what Henry Ford did--paying his workers MORE than the average wage so they could buy his stuff. A horde of penniless serfs will never buy a single iPod!
Part of my point is that you should not only care whether someone takes a "short cut" to good health, you should be HAPPY about it--because your health insurance premiums are going to go DOWN because other people are healthier.
It's flat-out in your best interest to make obtaining good health as cheap and easy as possible FOR EVERYONE.
However, a weight-loss pill would at least address all those issues caused by simply being overweight alone, such as joint issues, high blood pressure, and some fraction of diabetes incidence.
What's more, the less you weigh, the easier it is to exercise. Just imagine a 300 pounder trying to huff away on a hike or something. Losing the weight might be the springboard to a healthier lifestyle overall--something that perhaps would be unachievable with the extra 150lbs that are now gone.
And as you point out, obesity is partly due to consumption of low quality food. Low quality food is cheap--it costs maybe $2k more a year for a family to eat healther, I see in the news today. $2k isn't exactly peanuts to someone on minimum wage, and it could be "$2k and a lot of time" for someone who lives in a food desert.
Safe & effective "diet pills" might mitigate the damage and cost of a low-cost, low quality cheap diet--which is a win for everyone who pays into the medical system.
I agree that pills like "Pen Fen" or whatever it was called, that cause heart issues, need to be treated with caution. However, the premise of the article was that pills that are safer and still effective have come out, but they're not being used.
While it would be better for everyone to eat quality food and get appropriate amounts of exercise, a pill that mitigates the damage of NOT doing those things is just a big win for everyone.
The perfect should not be the enemy of the good, and we shouldn't leave an 80% solution on the table just because it isn't a 99% solution.
I'm a weight loss and weight long term control success story, more or less. But having done it, I know exactly how hard it is.
I'd love it if the US population could dump their extra pounds by taking a pill. It'd just be a win for everyone, and the only people who'd "lose" are those who feel superior because they've managed to do it without the pill.
And even THOSE people will be paying lower health insurance premiums because the population is healthier in general.
If the pills really work, BRING 'EM ON! Who knows, if I can't exercise some day (I'm currently taking a few weeks off because I got rear-ended in my car!), then I'll need them myself!
For measles, it says that for every 500 deaths, you have: 48,000 hospitalizations, 7,000 seizures, and 1,000 cases of permanent brain damage or deafness each year, according to the CDC.
So brain damage/deafness is about 2x as common as outright death from measles.
On your comment about "assuming I ever put anything truthful on Facebook..."
Yes, if anyone asks for stuff that isn't their business, give them misinformation. If there's a lot of misinformation out there about you, it'll make it harder for an identity thief to have an accurate file.
What the Government should do is create a whole SLEW of false identities, make them "available", watch them, trace who is trying to use them, and arrest and prosecute them. If a good fraction of identities that people are able to snarf out there are these honey pots, we'll soon cut down severely on that crime.
It's not impossible, I've been doing it for about 5 months and I've lost 22lbs. I actually have been eating about 2000kcal/day but exercising for about 500, for a net calorie of 1500kcal/day.
I weighed 181lbs and now weigh 158.4 lbs, I'm five feet 8 inches tall.
I can tell you I can more or less comfortably eat less than 1800 kcal/day at the cost of being sort of hungry, not VERY hungry. I assure you it's quite doable. I like the exercise though because it lets me eat more.
All you have to do is not eat junky food, eat more of the less calorie dense foods like fruits and vegetables, and have other things to do in life other than eat--these make managing hunger on less than 2000 calories/day really, really doable. It also helps to track EVERYTHING you eat.
I would call it "moderately hard" not "pretty impossible", and it gets easier when you're talking about 2200 instead of 1800kcal/day.
It seems to me that the next thing to really boost computer performance is optical interconnect.
With optical interconnect, parasitic capacitance and RC delays are just gone, and associated power consumption radically reduced.
I know that there are various parties working on optical interconnect and even optical transistor equivalents.
I don't mean to imply that achieving optical interconnect (or optical transistor equivalents) will be easy, I'm just saying that it has promise to remove many of the current performance limits.
The Democrats haven't threatened to default on the Government debt and trash the US's credit and blow up the world economy in order to repeal a bill they don't have the votes to repeal--all while illegitametly holding a majority in the House due to the fact that they gerrymandered districts.
The Republicans got less votes in the last House elections but have the majority SOLELY because they abused their power in past years to re-draw districts lines (gerrymandering) to their benefit.
Essentially, the Republicans want to impose their will via any means at all, fair or foul.
Not that I approve of the Democrats, I think we need to turn over ALL of Congress, but I also recognize that there are levels of bad and the Republicans have demonstrated their complete unfitness to govern.
Using viruses as weapons against bacteria seems like an awesome idea, however, wouldn't a person's own immune system start attacking its ally the phage?
I mean, parts of the immune system, all they do is react to antigens, and phages would be seen as just another invader that doesn't belong, regardless of the fact that it is attacking a common enemy.
For this reason I'm not sure phage therapy would necessarily work.
I think you're pretty much stuck with copper for your device due to the thermal load you're going to put on it, though this is just a guess. Your 2 minute+ rest between pulses may spare you that necessity, but I don't have a good feel for the thermal issues unfortunately. The key calculation to do is figure out if the RF and electron bombardment heat load melts anything or creates so much thermal stress that something breaks during your pulse.
Frankly, I don't think your financial resource is adequate for designing a new tube, not at all, because after you designed it you'd then have to build it, and I think that'd cost you $30k minimum just to build the tube, forget about the power supplies, cathodes, etc. I think your best bet is to salvage a tube from a decomissioning accelerator and use that.
Since your application smacks of communications, are you sure you can make do with an oscillator? Or were you planning to pulse it on and off like Morse code?
Also, I do NOT think you can count on fixing a tube when you melt it. These tubes operate under vacuum and tearing it down and putting in new parts is going to be both slow and expensive, and you don't seem like you have the cash.
We haven't previously spoken of the Russians, which is a mistake on my part. The Russians like to say they've done everything in vacuum tubes before the rest of the world thinks of it, and they're not entirely lying. They might well have a used tube sitting around somewhere that might SORT OF meet your requirement.
I think in the end though, no matter what you do, you're going to have to compromise on your requirements a bit to get something affordable on your budget, either that or 10x your budget.
There was some RF stuff being done in Brazil a long time ago, i think it was academic work, maybe you could talk to them and get a cheap piece of used equipment.....
Those are pretty steep requirements, and yeah, I don't know of anything off the shelf that meets your requirement, doesn't mean there isn't something though.
Your 5uS pulse of >20GW alternative is well beyond anyone's state of the art. How much money you got anyway?
Also, why won't L3 sell you anything? They don't have what you need, but they have close:
Again, you'd have to cool it quite a bit to get your average power, and could you live with higher peak power and less pulse length?
As for gyrotrons, CPI has built a CW gyotron at 95GHz that can do 100kW. It seems like they have some gyotrons that are pretty close to your 3rd alternate requirement, or won't they sell to you either? http://www.cpii.com/product.cfm/1/18/30
What're you building anyway? (I mean, what's your application for the microwaves?)
Oh? What're your requirements exactly? There are several US companies/gov't labs/universities/foreign companies that can do this. To name a few: 1) Radio Science 2) L3 (communications?) 3) CPI (communications and power industries, i think) (on to labs.) 4) Navy Research Lab 5) Air Force Research Lab 6) Possibly some DOE labs have people who could (Sandia, Los Alamos, not sure about Livermore) 6a) Stanford Linear Accelerator lab (SLAC) (on to universities) 7) MIT 8) University of Michigan 9) University of Maryland 10) University of New Mexico (the Universities seem to have access to Russian talent that came here) 10a) University of Californa, Davis on to foreign countries: 11) E2V in Britain 12) Probably some places in Germany and France (Heard of ITER? gyrotrons form the core of the strategy for heating that fusion plasma, these are at 130 to 170GHz I think) 13) The Chinese are doing a LOT, both gov't and universities 14) The Japanese are doing gyrotrons too for ITER
ANYWAY, any of the above could do the job better than your unemployed particle physicists because they have designed tubes already.
The labor markets are saturated, and wealth is concentrating on the top. There just isn't a market for lots of labor anymore, manufacturing is increasingly automated, services like retail is becoming more automated (thanks Amazon!), so why not soak the rich and use the money to support more research instead of letting all that capital idle at the top?
Because that's EXACTLY what is happening now. All that capital is idling at the top, the middle/lower classes are underpaid and underemployed and not generating demand.
How about we fund a "research class" instead of a "leisure class"?
MJ has been shown to have legitimate medical uses. It doesn't belong on Schedule 1.
If it's off Schedule 1 then research to use it SAFELY as a drug can proceed far more easily, and maybe we can use it for things like neuropathic pain and appetite recovery during chemotherapy WITHOUT the potential brain-damaging side effects.
I've got a friend who has neuropathic pain and none of the legal drugs work for him. And he can't use MJ because he's subject to drug testing.
Take MJ off Schedule 1 and maybe he can stop living with pain 24/7!
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Yes, by pointing out that link I didn't mean to support one side or the other, I thought it was interesting in its own right.
I think GMOs probably ought to be the product of government nonprofit research which becomes public domain, that would remove some of the more significant objections and reduce the pressure to market something that is actually risky.
--PeterM
Hello,
Please moderate up the parent post. The link is to a story which discusses how genes have moved between species via vectors such as ticks and viruses.
--PM
Hello,
Our mindset at my research institution is very different. We generate a certain amount of data per year (several terabytes), but the cost of storage decreases so fast we just copy old data onto new media and never delete ANYTHING.
In fact, we consider the cost of actually figuring out what data to delete to be higher than simply buying more storage.
I would not call it "well-indexed" however.
Our backup strategy is tailored to the nature of our data. Most of our data is simulation results. We back up "lightweight" data and analyzed results, input files, and log files. "Heavyweight" data we do not back up, since we consider the cost of reproducing this data (given the input files and the log files) modified by the low probability of actually ever needing it to be lower than the cost of backing it up. This results in our backup requirement to be maybe 5% of our "live" data archive.
If it gets to the point where we can't afford the storage anymore, we'll delete the "heavyweight" data ourselves to reduce the data footprint.
--PeterM
If it has DRM, I don't buy it. I don't steal DRM or non-DRM either.
Get it through your head, publishing industries, I don't *need* your product and if you make your product unpleasant with DRM, you don't get my money.
This also applies to price-gouging: I will NOT buy a 20 year old song for $0.99. I'd pay $0.05 or $0.10. However, I will NOT "buy" songs from Russian sites at those prices because I don't consider the Russian sites to have legitimate rights to the songs in the first place. So I do without. Because I don't NEED your products.
Fair price, no DRM, and my wallet will open for you like a floodgate--anything less and you get NOTHING.
The fat-cat entertainment industry deserves a huge boycott anyway.
Come on consumers: abandon the price gougers and go for the real entertainment values, you can get hundreds of hours of good interactive entertainment from computer games for $50, why shell out ANYTHING for low-quality high price crap like today's music and movie industry produce?
--PeterM
Forget about gaming, how about a HUGE virtual desktop for work?
--PM
Even you say that they are not STRONGLY linked--not that they're not linked at all.
MY point is that even if obesity does NOT cause all the problems you mention, it is a problem in and of itself, and even if it is only 10% "cause" of the other problems, then diet pills will still help.
YOU seem to be claiming that the only way to fix things is to fix the diet, and I would say that YOU are being too simplistic. Fixing the diet would be great, but in the absense of that, my point is that pills can be beneficial. Pills are, after all, easy.
--PM
What's really sad is that the wealthy don't even have to give up their wealth. Lower classes with more money will lift the wealthy up to dizzyingly new heights. The wealthy GOT RICH on the shoulders of the middle and low classes! If the middle/low class have got no money, who's going to buy the products of the rich?
If the rich had an ounce of foresight and half a brain cell, they'd be doing what Henry Ford did--paying his workers MORE than the average wage so they could buy his stuff. A horde of penniless serfs will never buy a single iPod!
--PeterM
Part of my point is that you should not only care whether someone takes a "short cut" to good health, you should be HAPPY about it--because your health insurance premiums are going to go DOWN because other people are healthier.
It's flat-out in your best interest to make obtaining good health as cheap and easy as possible FOR EVERYONE.
--PM
However, a weight-loss pill would at least address all those issues caused by simply being overweight alone, such as joint issues, high blood pressure, and some fraction of diabetes incidence.
What's more, the less you weigh, the easier it is to exercise. Just imagine a 300 pounder trying to huff away on a hike or something. Losing the weight might be the springboard to a healthier lifestyle overall--something that perhaps would be unachievable with the extra 150lbs that are now gone.
And as you point out, obesity is partly due to consumption of low quality food. Low quality food is cheap--it costs maybe $2k more a year for a family to eat healther, I see in the news today. $2k isn't exactly peanuts to someone on minimum wage, and it could be "$2k and a lot of time" for someone who lives in a food desert.
Safe & effective "diet pills" might mitigate the damage and cost of a low-cost, low quality cheap diet--which is a win for everyone who pays into the medical system.
I agree that pills like "Pen Fen" or whatever it was called, that cause heart issues, need to be treated with caution. However, the premise of the article was that pills that are safer and still effective have come out, but they're not being used.
While it would be better for everyone to eat quality food and get appropriate amounts of exercise, a pill that mitigates the damage of NOT doing those things is just a big win for everyone.
The perfect should not be the enemy of the good, and we shouldn't leave an 80% solution on the table just because it isn't a 99% solution.
--PM
Hello,
I'm a weight loss and weight long term control success story, more or less. But having done it, I know exactly how hard it is.
I'd love it if the US population could dump their extra pounds by taking a pill. It'd just be a win for everyone, and the only people who'd "lose" are those who feel superior because they've managed to do it without the pill.
And even THOSE people will be paying lower health insurance premiums because the population is healthier in general.
If the pills really work, BRING 'EM ON! Who knows, if I can't exercise some day (I'm currently taking a few weeks off because I got rear-ended in my car!), then I'll need them myself!
--PeterM
For every 1 person that dies, 2 people suffer brain damage or deafness, per the CDC.
http://www.medpagetoday.cominfectiousdiseasegeneralinfectiousdisease/43268
For measles, it says that for every
500 deaths, you have:
48,000 hospitalizations,
7,000 seizures, and
1,000 cases of permanent brain damage or deafness each year, according to the CDC.
So brain damage/deafness is about 2x as common as outright death from measles.
--PeterM
On your comment about "assuming I ever put anything truthful on Facebook..."
Yes, if anyone asks for stuff that isn't their business, give them misinformation. If there's a lot of misinformation out there about you, it'll make it harder for an identity thief to have an accurate file.
What the Government should do is create a whole SLEW of false identities, make them "available", watch them, trace who is trying to use them, and arrest and prosecute them. If a good fraction of identities that people are able to snarf out there are these honey pots, we'll soon cut down severely on that crime.
--PM
It's quite possible someone could 'react' to sensitive questions just out of fear. There's a lot at stake.
False positives, not so good--trash a probably innocent person. I think FMRI has a chance of determining truthfulness, but polygraphs, not so much.
--PM
It's not impossible, I've been doing it for about 5 months and I've lost 22lbs. I actually have been eating about 2000kcal/day but exercising for about 500, for a net calorie of 1500kcal/day.
I weighed 181lbs and now weigh 158.4 lbs, I'm five feet 8 inches tall.
I can tell you I can more or less comfortably eat less than 1800 kcal/day at the cost of being sort of hungry, not VERY hungry. I assure you it's quite doable. I like the exercise though because it lets me eat more.
All you have to do is not eat junky food, eat more of the less calorie dense foods like fruits and vegetables, and have other things to do in life other than eat--these make managing hunger on less than 2000 calories/day really, really doable. It also helps to track EVERYTHING you eat.
I would call it "moderately hard" not "pretty impossible", and it gets easier when you're talking about 2200 instead of 1800kcal/day.
--PM
would only cost the US Government $1.25 trillion.
So you're right, less than the idiotic wars and it would stimulate the economy, and I find it more palatable than enriching the super-rich some more.
--PM
It seems to me that the next thing to really boost computer performance is optical interconnect.
With optical interconnect, parasitic capacitance and RC delays are just gone, and associated power consumption radically reduced.
I know that there are various parties working on optical interconnect and even optical transistor equivalents.
I don't mean to imply that achieving optical interconnect (or optical transistor equivalents) will be easy, I'm just saying that it has promise to remove many of the current performance limits.
--PM
Well, if you XOR with a good random one-time pad, I don't think that anyone can break your encryption ever, not even with a quantum computer.
The ROT13 is just unnecessary fluff.
--PM
The Democrats haven't threatened to default on the Government debt and trash the US's credit and blow up the world economy in order to repeal a bill they don't have the votes to repeal--all while illegitametly holding a majority in the House due to the fact that they gerrymandered districts.
The Republicans got less votes in the last House elections but have the majority SOLELY because they abused their power in past years to re-draw districts lines (gerrymandering) to their benefit.
Essentially, the Republicans want to impose their will via any means at all, fair or foul.
Not that I approve of the Democrats, I think we need to turn over ALL of Congress, but I also recognize that there are levels of bad and the Republicans have demonstrated their complete unfitness to govern.
--PM
Using viruses as weapons against bacteria seems like an awesome idea, however, wouldn't a person's own immune system start attacking its ally the phage?
I mean, parts of the immune system, all they do is react to antigens, and phages would be seen as just another invader that doesn't belong, regardless of the fact that it is attacking a common enemy.
For this reason I'm not sure phage therapy would necessarily work.
--PM
Hello,
I think you're pretty much stuck with copper for your device due to the thermal load you're going to put on it, though this is just a guess. Your 2 minute+ rest between pulses may spare you that necessity, but I don't have a good feel for the thermal issues unfortunately. The key calculation to do is figure out if the RF and electron bombardment heat load melts anything or creates so much thermal stress that something breaks during your pulse.
Frankly, I don't think your financial resource is adequate for designing a new tube, not at all, because after you designed it you'd then have to build it, and I think that'd cost you $30k minimum just to build the tube, forget about the power supplies, cathodes, etc. I think your best bet is to salvage a tube from a decomissioning accelerator and use that.
Since your application smacks of communications, are you sure you can make do with an oscillator? Or were you planning to pulse it on and off like Morse code?
Also, I do NOT think you can count on fixing a tube when you melt it. These tubes operate under vacuum and tearing it down and putting in new parts is going to be both slow and expensive, and you don't seem like you have the cash.
We haven't previously spoken of the Russians, which is a mistake on my part. The Russians like to say they've done everything in vacuum tubes before the rest of the world thinks of it, and they're not entirely lying. They might well have a used tube sitting around somewhere that might SORT OF meet your requirement.
I think in the end though, no matter what you do, you're going to have to compromise on your requirements a bit to get something affordable on your budget, either that or 10x your budget.
There was some RF stuff being done in Brazil a long time ago, i think it was academic work, maybe you could talk to them and get a cheap piece of used equipment.....
As for me, I guess "physicist" is pretty close.
Good luck with your project!
--PM
Those are pretty steep requirements, and yeah, I don't know of anything off the shelf that meets your requirement, doesn't mean there isn't something though.
Your 5uS pulse of >20GW alternative is well beyond anyone's state of the art. How much money you got anyway?
Also, why won't L3 sell you anything? They don't have what you need, but they have close:
So you pretty much need 175kW average power in X-band. Maybe you could pick one of the higher power of the X-band magnetrons here: .001 to something which works?
http://www2.l-3com.com/edd/magnetrons_vsm.htm
or here
http://www2.l-3com.com/edd/magnetrons_cm.htm
and modify it with heroic cooling to raise the duty cycle from
Or is the moderate amount of noise you get from magnetrons too much for you?
And actually I just peeked at L3's klystrons, how about the bottom one on this list?
http://www2.l-3com.com/edd/magnetrons_vsm.htm
Again, you'd have to cool it quite a bit to get your average power, and could you live with higher peak power and less pulse length?
As for gyrotrons, CPI has built a CW gyotron at 95GHz that can do 100kW. It seems like they have some gyotrons that are pretty close to your 3rd alternate requirement, or won't they sell to you either?
http://www.cpii.com/product.cfm/1/18/30
What're you building anyway? (I mean, what's your application for the microwaves?)
Oh? What're your requirements exactly?
There are several US companies/gov't labs/universities/foreign companies that can do this.
To name a few:
1) Radio Science
2) L3 (communications?)
3) CPI (communications and power industries, i think)
(on to labs.)
4) Navy Research Lab
5) Air Force Research Lab
6) Possibly some DOE labs have people who could (Sandia, Los Alamos, not sure about Livermore)
6a) Stanford Linear Accelerator lab (SLAC)
(on to universities)
7) MIT
8) University of Michigan
9) University of Maryland
10) University of New Mexico
(the Universities seem to have access to Russian talent that came here)
10a) University of Californa, Davis
on to foreign countries:
11) E2V in Britain
12) Probably some places in Germany and France (Heard of ITER? gyrotrons form the core of the strategy for heating that fusion plasma, these are at 130 to 170GHz I think)
13) The Chinese are doing a LOT, both gov't and universities
14) The Japanese are doing gyrotrons too for ITER
ANYWAY, any of the above could do the job better than your unemployed particle physicists because they have designed tubes already.
Best of luck,
--PeterM
The labor markets are saturated, and wealth is concentrating on the top. There just isn't a market for lots of labor anymore, manufacturing is increasingly automated, services like retail is becoming more automated (thanks Amazon!), so why not soak the rich and use the money to support more research instead of letting all that capital idle at the top?
Because that's EXACTLY what is happening now. All that capital is idling at the top, the middle/lower classes are underpaid and underemployed and not generating demand.
How about we fund a "research class" instead of a "leisure class"?
--PM
MJ has been shown to have legitimate medical uses. It doesn't belong on Schedule 1.
If it's off Schedule 1 then research to use it SAFELY as a drug can proceed far more easily, and maybe we can use it for things like neuropathic pain and appetite recovery during chemotherapy WITHOUT the potential brain-damaging side effects.
I've got a friend who has neuropathic pain and none of the legal drugs work for him. And he can't use MJ because he's subject to drug testing.
Take MJ off Schedule 1 and maybe he can stop living with pain 24/7!
--PM
Can you IMAGINE how horrible the Windows source base must be?
Sorry, if I'm going to commit to an open source OS project, it'll never be Windows. I'd work with Linux or one of the BSDs.
MS can release Windows as FOSS all they want, I'll never adopt it.
--PM