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U.S. Measles Cases Triple In 2013
An anonymous reader writes "The U.S. Centers for Disease Control have announced that measles cases in the U.S. spiked this year, rising to three times their recent average rate. It's partly due to a greater number of people traveling to the U.S. when they're infectious, but also because a frustrating number of people are either failing to have their children vaccinated, or are failing to do so in a timely manner. Dr. Thomas Friedman said, 'Around 90 percent of the people who have had measles in this country were not vaccinated either because they refused, or were not vaccinated on time.' Phil Plait adds, 'In all three of these outbreaks, someone who had not been vaccinated traveled overseas and brought the disease back with them, which then spread due to low vaccination rates in their communities. It's unclear how much religious beliefs themselves were behind the outbreaks in Brooklyn and North Carolina; it may have been due to widespread secular anti-vax beliefs in those tight-knit groups. But either way, a large proportion of the people in those areas were unvaccinated.'"
It goes without saying that the moronic get what they deserve, though sadly, when herd immunity is compromised, sometimes the innocent (those who cannot be inoculated) pay the price too.
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... and other idiots
I actually have a co-worker who refused to get the MMR vaccine for his two children, both of whom came down with the measles last year. They didn't shun the vaccine because of religious reasons; rather, Jenny McCarthy convinced them that it would give their children autism. And while it's entertaining to watch this, and it's fun to sit back and mock these people, their belief system, and the consequences of their actions, the fact remains that these idiots are a real threat to our herd immunity.
The real answer to this is education, although that's almost as dirty a word as "vaccination" in 2013 United States.
We even now have a permanent Tetanus combo booster shot (TDAP) instead of the old every ten year one (that probably expired, don't step on a rusty nail!).
Correlation is not causation, but not getting an MMR measles mumps rubella shot is just criminal. Without herd immunity we're starting to see hospitals requiring people to wear masks or stay in isolation wards, measures we never had to do before the "fad" of not getting shots started.
And, no, I don't care what your objections are - there are nasal spray versions of all the shots, so stop endangering everyone else with your stupidity.
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Bottom line, normally 60 cases a year, but spike was 175 cases. so what, that is nothing. measles therefore is not a concern in this country.
PDP-11s forever!
Hopefully these people are not allowed in public or private schools or daycare. We care enough about our dogs and cats to not let them in kennels and grooming situations unless they have vaccinations. Why should we care about kids any less. I mean if someone want to start a vac-free school where everyone is not vaccinated, that is their right, but we shouldn't put innocent kids at risk.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
that they learn their lesson and get the kids vaccinated against other diseases before it is too late...
So... this is what happens when you don't use your brain -- and you take medical advice from a stripper.
that measles cases in the U.S. spiked this year, rising to three times their recent average rate. It's partly due to a greater number of people traveling to the U.S. when they're infectious...
I find it interesting that in times when there's been greater scrutiny of who comes to the US, and in some cases tourist dollars having significantly reduced because of the tougher US visa regime and other factors, there are articles like those quoted that "blame" the incidence of disease on outsiders. Incredible!!
The USA should man up and state categorically that some of its citizens are behaving like uneducated villagers by refusing to vaccinate. Do not blame those you call aliens because measles has been and still is on the decline everywhere else.
What will happen when polio strikes?
Just last month, a friends kids class had 8 become infected with measles, but they were all vaccinated.
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At least they didn't develop autism
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Wait. What? Atheism being more popular today than in the 70's? That definitely needs a citation.You've got a warped sense of history.
I have insurance. My insurance covers vaccinations. However, my primary care provider will not administer vaccinations because they agreed to a contracted amount with the insurance company but they don't feel that that amount is enough. I called several other primary care physicians who similarly refused to administer vaccinations. I finally got one that agreed to do it but only if I also did a well child checkup, which would cost hundreds of dollars. All of these doctors suggested I go to the Health Department. So I did, and stood in line for a long time, to be told that you had to be on state aid in order to get vaccinations from the state.
Walgreen's and other facilities would do vaccinations, but my insurance would not pay because they are not a Primary Care facility. I would have to pay full price.
So basically, I have to pay for insurance which covers vaccinations AND I still have to pay full price for vaccinations, while if I were poor, I would neither have to pay for insurance nor pay for vaccinations.
To me, the fact that a Doctor can refuse to perform a service because they don't like their profit margin on it even though the AGREED to accept that amount in their contract, is BS. This is akin to a retailer advertising a model of TV for a cheap price, but not having ever even purchased any of said model to be sold.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Make these people buy mandatory insurance
Holy crap everybody, it's Rip Van Winkle back from visiting the little people!
Was there a spike in the 70s or something? Not as I recall. Quoth Wikipedia
At some points in the 1950s, almost all Americans identified themselves with a particular religion. In recent years, more than 1 in 10 Americans tell survey interviewers they have no formal religious identity.[35]
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Do you know what a strawman argument is? You're saying that the original post here is a strawman argument.. but where's the strawman? What is the other position that's being misrepresented?
What is the snide comment? The summary, which is all most of the posters would have read, is pretty much a list of facts. I mean:
There's not really any spin there, that's just what happened.
And are you really, really taking the position that an increased number of measles cases, where we know that most of the infected weren't vaccinated, is just spuriously correlated to more people not getting vaccinated? That's really where you're at? Do you understand how impossible it would be to gain knowledge about the world if this is how you reasoned?
Hmm. There's no milk in the fridge. Also, I drank all the milk last night. But let's not go jumping to conclusions here. There seems to be correlation, but we can't reason based on that. I really want to choke whoever started the current "correlation is not causation" meme - it's true, but it's mostly used now as an excuse to discount reasonably valid evidence, often in favor of humanity-embarrassing stuff like this:
Yeah, this is how we should do reasoning. We should look at the behavior of people that espouse positions, and if we detect any hypocrisy then their position must be wrong.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
After reports of half a dozen or so children dying because they were not vaccinated parents will start getting their children vaccinated again. Pitty some kids will have to die first though.
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Find out how many people got polio in each year before the vaccine came out
more than 1 in 10 Americans tell survey interviewers they have no formal religious identity.
Which isn't necessarily atheism.
That is why Jenny McCarthy should be on death row.
It's a subset, though: plenty of atheists go to church, for social reasons. Very few people believe in some vague idea of God not associated with any religious system, again for social reasons.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Who said anything about blame? In order for an outbreak to occur, you need a source for the infection as well as a vulnerable population. The article is simply stating that increased travel provides more sources of infection, while anti-science idiots in the United States provide the vulnerable population.
Yes, if the U.S. got the vaccination situation under control, no one would be particularly concerned about measles exposed visitors. That doesn't mean they aren't a factor in this present situation.
What will happen when polio strikes?
He'll probably have some free time to get himself and his kids vaccinated. Possibly sign up for some government programs as well.
How do you spread a disease?
How about this: Inject a few million people with the virus and release them into the population.
It's vaccinated people who now carry and spread sickness. Not those who are uninfected.
Don't like the sound of that? Sorry. The science holds on this one.
http://www.sott.net/article/269563-You-will-never-look-at-vaccinated-children-the-same-Shedding-Viruses
Let me know when the mothership arrives.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
First link: "Despite this vaccine being hugely effective against B. pertussis, which was once the primary childhood killer, these data suggest that the vaccine may be contributing to the observed rise in whooping cough incidence over the last decade by promoting B. parapertussis infection." In other words, whooping cough vaccine against whooping virus (for which it was designed) may actually promote infection of a related but not identical virus. This does not say the vaccine promotes sickness.
Second link: "Despite widespread childhood vaccination against Bordetella pertussis, disease remains prevalent. It has been suggested that acellular vaccine may be less effective than previously believed. During a large outbreak, we examined the incidence of pertussis and effectiveness of vaccination in a well-vaccinated, well-defined community." In other words, the whooping cough vaccine may not last as long as thought. More boosters may be needed or a different vaccine may need to be developed. It says nothing about spreading sickness.
Third link: "Safety and shedding data from four clinical studies were included in the BLA supplement. Additionally, a publication with associated electronic datasets was submitted in support of a label claim regarding shedding in HIV positive subjects." In other words, it is shows the shedding rates of HIV infected subjects whose immune system is somewhat compromised, not the general population.
Fourth link: "RotaTeq rotavirus vaccine and vaccine-derived strains were detected actively in stool samples from 13 out of 61 (21.3%) infants having diarrhea within 2 weeks of rotavirus vaccination, and among three out of 460 (0.7%) cases with acute gastroenteritis captured via the Australian Rotavirus Surveillance Program. Six (37.5%) of these 16 vaccine-derived viral specimens were associated with a G1P[8] strain thought to be the result of genetic reassortment between two component RotaTeq strains. Although nearly half of these reassortant-associated cases had underlying medical conditions, such as severe combined immunodeficiency disorder, further study is needed to understand the relationship between shedding, viral reassortants and underlying medical conditions." So a sample size of 61 in which half the infants had other medical issues had samples of rotavirus. Again, the vaccine does not spread sickness.
Those were just the first four links. All of them say the same thing: vaccines are not 100% effective. But no scientists have ever claimed them to be. Each of the first three showed that in certain circumstances, the vaccine is not effective. In fact, the first link says that the Pertussis vaccine is not effective against another disease. Excuse for not being panicked about that.
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The article states that 90% of the people in the outbreak weren't vaccinated. I'm all for vaccines but didn't realize it had a 10 % failure rate. I know herd immunity but still. Is that typical of most vaccines?
What about all the illegal immigrants that come here without getting properly vaccinated?
As a conservative, religious man, I find the religious anti-vaccination crowd a bunch of blind ninnies. I have a few at my church like that, and I want to smack them as they put my children who are too young to receive these vaccination at risk of catching a deadly disease.
Popular is a strange way of putting it, but more and more people are wising up to the fact that the supernatural is imaginary every day. Of course Atheism is just one small part of discarding magical thinking.
The religious derp just seems worse because the people who can't grow out of their childish superstitions are getting more extreme in reaction to the rest of us realizing that it's all an absurd lie.
I would tell you that your friend isn't very well educated, because he clearly sucks at basic math and statistics. Please tell him to go get a job that he is actually qualified for.
Anti vaccination people should be shipped off somewhere where they can all be together and stop endangering the rest of the population. These people are doing the biological equivalent of firing guns in the air in the middle of a crowded city. Yeah, the chance of someone getting killed is low, but eventually if enough people do it, people will start dying. You want your kids to risk death or permanent disability? Fine, be a shitty parent, that's your choice. But your rights stop at the end of your nose. You don't have the right to put the rest of society at risk.
Ship em to fucking north Alaska.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
The numbers are low, because herd immunity is still strong. The reason for concern is that the infection rate curve probably isn't linear. At some point on the curve there is going to be an inflection point where a lot of people will start getting sick. So, while there are probably things that are currently causing a lot more child deaths now, this is could change quickly.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Resurgence of eradicated disease... brought to you by people I embarrassed to be related to that "feel" that vaccines aren't safe.
Why do these people reproduce?
The more "certain circumstances" that come up with vaccines, the more that vaccines proponents continue to push them.... Interesting, my question is this: With so many unexplained, unknown, or unintentional consequences, how can anyone say "vaccines are safe"? At what point are we to be considered test subjects for filthy money grubbing corporations, who already break the rules on normal pharmaceutical manufacturing, efficacy testing, and safety testing? Glaxosmithkline was recently fined 3 Billion dollars for falsifying data for a product the FDA DID NOT BAN.
"Around 90 percent of the people who have had measles in this country were not vaccinated either because they refused, or were not vaccinated on time"
So what they are saying is "There were people who were vaccinated that got this disease, but to blame it on the un-vaccinated, we excluded all those who did not get their vaccinations when we said so" - They have no scientific data to prove that there are certain times that EVERY individual must be vaccinated - there are many medical reasons for why one would delay certain vaccinations. Additionally, they have no studies to show that delaying vaccination has an increased risk of infection from the diseases. (There are of course lots of wonderful data correlations they use to say this, but no true scientific study in a controlled environment.
All of them say the same thing: vaccines are not 100% effective. But no scientists have ever claimed them to be. Each of the first three showed that in certain circumstances, the vaccine is not effective. In fact, the first link says that the Pertussis vaccine is not effective against another disease. Excuse for not being panicked about that.
You're missing the point. That collection of links was not gathered together in order to prove that vaccines were not 100% effective. They were gathered together to illustrate how secondary infection from vaccinated subjects to non vaccinated subjects has been observed to function and to invite thinking on the subject.
Your objections come off more as personal spin doctoring than anything else. If, for instance, an HIV patient can be infected by a vaccinated vector, then it demonstrates something very important. It doesn't matter that an infected party is prone to infection. That's like saying petri dish experiments are irrelevant because petri dishes are easily colonized by microbes.
Particularly in instances where live viruses are used in vaccines, why should the concept of secondary infections come as any surprise at all? That's how viruses work.
That, uh, is not what they're saying. It's implied from their statement that some people were vaccinated on time and still got the disease, yes. Clearly the vaccine is not 100% effective. We know this. But they're highlighting the fact that people who were not vaccinated are overrepresented in the infected group, a fact that is true and interesting.
That statement is not making the value judgement you are attributing to it. There could be a million reasons to not get vaccinated. It could be a horrible idea to get vaccinated. They're not doing any of the persecution you're imagining. They're just saying that people who didn't get vaccinated (a smaller group) makes up a disproportionate number of people who got infected.
Measles vaccines are well studied. There are studies that prove the efficacy of the vaccine, and also studies that tell us how long vaccines take to start working. There's also studies on the effect of vaccination programs that are widely followed. Here - http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199411243312101 - is an article from the New England Journal of Medicine talking about how the vaccine effectively eliminated measles in Finland.
Of course there are negatives to vaccines, sure, but the vast majority of resistance to them is based on misunderstandings and ignorance of science. There's also a feeling that opting out has no negative consequences; this is dangerous, and something that becomes exponentially more dangerous the more people that buy into it. It's like people deciding not to vote. It's pretty much meaningless in small numbers, but it could become a real issue if too many people stopped at once.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
No vaccines when I was a kid. Didn't go deaf from measles, but I can tell you first hand, Meniere's is not a nice condition.
Vaccinate your children.
40-60% is total childhood mortality in primitive societies. Most of the reduction in childhood mortality since then is probably due to better sanitation, better treatment of diarrhea, and the use of antibiotics, not vaccinations.
Completely agreed on the unreasonable extremes people go to when they say correlation is not causation. By their logic, smoking does not cause cancer and asprin does not reduce fever. Just because we can't fully explain the connection between A and B does not mean one doesn't exist.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
For every 1 person that dies, 2 people suffer brain damage or deafness, per the CDC.
http://www.medpagetoday.cominfectiousdiseasegeneralinfectiousdisease/43268
For measles, it says that for every
500 deaths, you have:
48,000 hospitalizations,
7,000 seizures, and
1,000 cases of permanent brain damage or deafness each year, according to the CDC.
So brain damage/deafness is about 2x as common as outright death from measles.
--PeterM
I knew the top post here would be slamming the unvaccinated. Of course you blame them for others infections too. This is slashdot, shouldn't we praise those who are helping evolution to solve the problem of disease instead of those who do the opposite by getting the vaccination? Yep, I'd be all for mandatory vaccination IFF there was an effort to eradicate the disease. Unfortunately the plan seems to be nothing more than perpetual vaccination until the virus evolves to evade it. So I'm here to rant back and say screw you for wanting to mandate what other people have to inject into their body - what ever happened to freedom?
Anytime someone brought in a kid suffering from a disease that could have been prevented by vaccination, I would first ask whether the parent was brain dead.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Nice statistics there. A word problem and a number. What percentage is "almost all?" Is 90% close enough, or what?
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When comparing modern mortality improvement over the older pre-industrial, pre-modern-medicine regimes, the "most helpful" reductions vary with the age group you're dealing with:
Overall, clean water and sanitation probably win as the single most important advancement in public health, ever, but vaccines are a *very* strong second. Frankly, drugs are at best a distant fourth, behind even improved medical understanding of the human body (enabling more effective trauma and non-drug treatments of common diseases and accidents). Drug improvements really have helped two big categories of people: soldiers at war, and the elderly.
-Erik
There are always four sides to every story: your side, their side, the truth, and what really happened.
Perhaps something will come along, a 1918 influenza would wipe them out for us It would be hard to hold my glee.
CONservatives can't even tell the truth about how to spell the word what. The most common word their kind lies about is the word lose. So often they lie and try to con others into thinking that it is spelled loose. They are insane.
due to a greater number of people traveling to the U.S. when they're infectious aka illegals
but also because a frustrating number of people are either failing to have their children vaccinated aka Jenny McCarthy types.
Here's my idea: offer an insurance program that kicks OUT when you do something deliberately disregarding reasonable methods of protection.
1) smoke? Then no, your lung-cancer isn't covered.
2) don't believe in vaccines? Then no, your measles/mumps/rubella isn't covered.
3) Like to ride a motorcycle without a helmet? No prob, but no coverage for head-related injuries resulting from a motorcycle incident.
Anyone interested?
-Styopa
Conclusion: Atheism leads to a wave of anti-science bigotry that results in people not getting immunized. Case in point: Jenny McCarthy.
How is an avowed Catholic a suporting case for atheism being anti-science? Or are you saying that increasing atheism caused Christians to become more anti-science? Wouldn't that be a problem with Christianity, not atheism?
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Re your first bit, pertussis (like tetanus and diphtheria) is actually caused by a bacterium, not a virus.
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... and your repeatedly discredited, disproved autism-vaccine crap. Though I should blame the idiots who actually listen to a plastic bimbo like you for medical advice, I still hold you accountable in large part. People have DIED because of you, b*tch.
'The unexamined life is not worth living' - Socrates
Vaccinations not up to date? No passport.
=Smidge=
about the fact that vaccinated children indeed have a slightly higher risk of having autism... because those that aren't vaccinated have a higher risk of dying before they're even old enough to be diagnosed with autism.
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That paper looks strange. First they plot the reduction of cases over time that looks like a decrease, but actually the decrease begins when they switched from reported cases to serologically confirmed cases in 1986. Then they cherry pick a few years of age distribution for the next plot. Also they say that most of the reported cases after 1986 were actually wrong diagnoses. So what about before 1986, why are those diagnoses trustworthy?
This type of reporting does not encourage me to believe them.
The stories are fading, but I have a grandfather who has a lifetime disability from polio as a young adult. 'Last rights 3 times' level of sickness from it. Just recently I learned that my grandmother on the opposite side had to relearn how to walk after her bout of polio.
Grandpa took his kids to the doc the moment he learned that a polio vaccine had been released for it. He didn't wait for it to be given out at the schools.
I don't read AC A human right
While your reasoning is off, from what I've read most vaccines have single digit ineffectiveness rates of up to around 10%, but consider the proportion of the population that's immunocompromised today; the figures I've read about average around 10% still vulnerable even if you jab everybody that isn't medically contra-indicated. The very young, the very old, the sick, immunocompromised(not all of whom know it yet), etc...
I don't read AC A human right
I still say people should have the choice as a fundamental aspect of their freedom, but that if they choose not to be vaccinated they should have to declare the fact before they leave the country and on their return they should be quaranteened and/or refused entry to certain facilities (e.g., childcare, hospitals, etc.). In other words, they should be obliged to inform other people about their choice. Don't like it? Tough. Either don't travel or get vaccinated. Typhoid Mary didn't get a lot of sympathy either.
This is a social problem. These people continue to be idiots because all of the rest of us are "too nice" to say anything when they start spewing their bullshit. Every time I run into one of these asshats at work, or at a party, I tell them they're committing child abuse, they should be ashamed of themselves, and more importantly they're child is not allowed to play with my child. Then I inform every other parent that might know them that they should let their kids play with them either and that they should shun the adult. This wont change until it's no longer socially "cool" to do this.
If you're a parent who is anti vaccination and your child ends up getting infected with a disease they could of easily fought off with a vaccination then I think you should go to jail for abuse. 99% of the parents who deicde they know better or are better qualifed to make the vaccination choice are simple unaware and dangerous morons who think they should be allowed to play doctor and medical expert based on incorrect reports and very poor evidence. If you play doctor professionally and don't have license you can go to jail, so why should we not subject these parents to the same and worse? If you don't vaccinate and your child gets sick because of not being vaccinated then you abused the child and hence should suffer for that.
People need to evaluate each medical intervention on its own merits. Unfortunately when lied to about one vaccine they will mostly assume that all are worthless.
The Cochrane Collaboration has high regard for the measles vaccine:
http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004407/using-the-combined-vaccine-for-protection-of-children-against-measles-mumps-and-rubella
Compare that with their review of the seasonal influenza vaccine:
http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD001269/vaccines-to-prevent-influenza-in-healthy-adults-
and you see why people get suspicious. They are told that all vaccines work and find out otherwise. My advice to those who want everyone vaccinated is to be honest. Get them to focus on the most dangerous diseases with the most effective vaccines. Admit that problems exist with some vaccines like the influenza ones.
What percentage of these cases are illegal immigrants and their children living outside the system and getting free (to them) healthcare?
Vaccines are not what they present themselves to be like most things that come from the mainstream "medical" (synthetic drug pusher) regime.
My personal research on the efficacy of vaccines shows that most info out there is pure brainwash... for profits. There are much healthier ways to protect against disease - a vaccine jab is rarely one of them. I use intelligent medicine to protect myself and my family, and it's not found in modern "medicine." I am my own doctor and am intelligent enough to take care of my own health issues as well as those of my family. The only reason I would ever need an MD is if I was in a serious car accident and required surgery, etc. - as I don't care to do surgery on myself or set a bone. Other than emergency medicine, I find the "medical" establishment totally useless and, thankfully, many others are waking up and realizing this too and are taking 100% responsibility for their health rather than placing *unthinking* confidence in vaccines and other fiction that MDs promote.
Here's a great article that breaks down the rest of the story on the CDC scare tactic to push more vaccines...
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/2013-measles-outbreak-failing-vaccine-not-failure-vaccinate1
I find it interesting that it's those who are vaccinated who are the ones spreading disease, not the non-nvaccinated.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028142_mumps_vaccines.html
That vaccine-induced "herd immunity" is mostly a myth and applies only to natural immunity.
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/02/18/the-deadly-impossibility-of-herd-immunity-through-vaccination-by-dr-russell-blaylock/
Outbreaks prove that vaccines don't work.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri128.htm
The US medical system has killed more people in the last decade with their wares than all the wars combined going back to the Revolutionary War. Check out the number of folks they murder in hospitals alone every year. Dr. Barbara Starfield Study - JAMA 7/2000
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/an-exclusive-interview-with-dr-barbara-starfield-medically-caused-death-in-america
Thankfully, these murderous drug pushers (doctor/nurses) are being exposed more and more for what they really are and *thinking* people are taking appropriate action to protect their family against this medical mafia.
'inoculations are liberal gummint intrusion' donchyano
Those are some amazing leaps of illogical thinking. One of the circumstances noted was a vaccine does not protect against a different virus. That doesn't take rocket science to understand. Another one was for individuals with deficient immune systems may not get the full benefit of a vaccine Again, this is common sense.
. Interesting, my question is this: With so many unexplained, unknown, or unintentional consequences, how can anyone say "vaccines are safe"?
Only if you are willing to ignore decades of science. But based on the rest of your post, it seems that you are willing to ignore anything that doesn't fall into your narrow thinking that vaccines==bad no matter what science is behind it.
At what point are we to be considered test subjects for filthy money grubbing corporations, who already break the rules on normal pharmaceutical manufacturing, efficacy testing, and safety testing?
FDR was paralyzed for the rest of his life after age 39 from polio. Many millions were also afflicted. Since the polio vaccine paralysis is from polio is virtually no existent. Yet people like you will continue to question the "safety" of them.
Glaxosmithkline was recently fined 3 Billion dollars for falsifying data for a product the FDA DID NOT BAN.
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES.
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You're missing the point. That collection of links was not gathered together in order to prove that vaccines were not 100% effective. They were gathered together to illustrate how secondary infection from vaccinated subjects to non vaccinated subjects has been observed to function and to invite thinking on the subject.
You are missing the point. A pertusiss vaccine doesn't protect against a parapertussis? HIV positive patients doesn't get the full benefit of vaccines? In my world, that's just fucking common sense. So what?
Your objections come off more as personal spin doctoring than anything else. If, for instance, an HIV patient can be infected by a vaccinated vector, then it demonstrates something very important. It doesn't matter that an infected party is prone to infection. That's like saying petri dish experiments are irrelevant because petri dishes are easily colonized by microbes.
You missed the point entirely. The study says NOTHING about the general population. It says something about a specific segment of the population. It's just scare mongering not to clearly state how narrow the study is. Just like a study that says a statin is not effective with people with high blood pressue. It doesn't say that the statin is not effective for most people.
Particularly in instances where live viruses are used in vaccines, why should the concept of secondary infections come as any surprise at all? That's how viruses work.
And how common is secondary infections? Minor or major? AND it wasn't the premise of the GP: "How about this: Inject a few million people with the virus and release them into the population. " It implied that vaccines themselves were the cause of disease not secondary infection.
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"In all three of these outbreaks, someone who had not been vaccinated traveled overseas and brought the disease back with them"
One thing seems obvious to me. Ban our CITIZENS from reentering the US unless they can show that ALL of their vaccinations are current. We could delay reentry to the US by quarantining them in a place similar to Ellis Island for 21 days (or some suitable time) to make sure they were not carrying in a disease. Those people that have religious, moral (or just plain stupidity in the case of vaxers) could avoid the vaccinations by just being sequestered.
NOTE: Quarantining is not incarceration and has been proven legal such as in the case of "Typhoid Mary" and quarantining by the health department. I don't see any legal problems but IANAL.
To many, read a bit of the following information of Mumps outbreak (you know, one of the other M's in the MMR vaccine) and the increase in national cases from 300 to 5700 in one year or less.
I believe it was also tracked back to a similar outbreak in the UK.
Check out http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5520a4.htm#fig4
Iowa was one of the hardest hit states. although the outbreak covered up to 45 states.
In part because of a local college student who had just returned back from the UK.
As mentioned in the article "The first cases in the current outbreak were detected on a college campus in eastern Iowa in December 2005", I believe that it was a local college here that was hardest hit, along with other colleges across the state. I believe I remember many events were cancelled as they wanted to stop the spread across people in the 18-24 year old groups.
I believe that outbreak had 5700+ cases, versus a couple years earlier in 2001 there were less than 300 nationally.
Keep in mind mumps CAN have a detrimental effect on adult and pubescent age males, other than the normal swelling associated with it.
And how common is secondary infections? Minor or major? AND it wasn't the premise of the GP: "How about this: Inject a few million people with the virus and release them into the population. " It implied that vaccines themselves were the cause of disease not secondary infection.
The article/video was designed to explore that very question. And if you go back and read the first post, you'll see that it was indeed the premise:
"It's vaccinated people who now carry and spread sickness. Not those who are uninfected."
It seems you're letting ego obscure the matter, because it's a valid question and the observations collected from studies which may not have been designed to directly examine the issue, nonetheless still provide useful information toward clarifying our understanding of that point.
A study trying to determine the rate of disease in cats, by default suggests that cats really do exist despite that not being its primary critical goal. Lateral thinking.
Society has of course changed (a lot) ,but (currently in my seventies) when a primary/elementary school pupil, I had measles (a short term disease) and so had most if not all chidren of my age and to my knowledge no-one has ever suffered from ill effects from measles. ,in those days parents were worried when one of their chidren did NOT get the measles ,because when they would get it later in life the disease would hit much harder and could have longer term health effects .
However
After having had the measles you are automatically immunised for life (as I have been told).
Again , I never suffered from having had measles and chicken-pocks.
" The Return of Smallpox "
Heh heh heh...
Parents who don't vaccinate their kids for other than a known allergic reaction should be charged with child abuse, grievous bodily harm or manslaughter if the child get sick or dies from a disease the can be immunised against.
As for the argument that vaccines contain mercury they don't any more. Even when they did it was chemically bound inside the atom.
To you freaks who believe vaccines still do I say..
You put sodium or chlorine on your food...and you don't die....is table salt.
Dr. Maurice Hilleman
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx
The article/video was designed to explore that very question. And if you go back and read the first post, you'll see that it was indeed the premise:
Hello? Are you reading the same post I am?
How do you spread a disease? How about this: Inject a few million people with the virus and release them into the population. It's vaccinated people who now carry and spread sickness. Not those who are uninfected. Don't like the sound of that? Sorry. The science holds on this one.
The video also is not about secondary infections and is clearly designed to spread FUD about vaccines. It distorts the words of Anne Schuchat by only showing the parts of the statement and what she was addressing. In fact the end of video it advocates for the rights of parents not to vaccinate.
It seems you're letting ego obscure the matter, because it's a valid question and the observations collected from studies which may not have been designed to directly examine the issue, nonetheless still provide useful information toward clarifying our understanding of that point.
Please. The whole statement is tinfoil hat thinking as if there was a grand conspiracy to spread a disease by vaccinating against it. The question that was stated didn't have anything to do about secondary infections. It wasn't stated whether immunities last as long as once believed. Also one aspect ignored by the anti-vaccine crowd is even if immunities do not last as long, that doesn't negate the fact that the person had immunity and there are much less likely to be infected with a vaccine than without.
A study trying to determine the rate of disease in cats, by default suggests that cats really do exist despite that not being its primary critical goal. Lateral thinking.
Unless that is the entire goal of the study. Extrapolation is a tricky thing in science. The goal of the HIV study was to study how HIV affected particular vaccine by the manufacturer. Trying to extrapolate to what it means for the general population when decades of other research has already answered the same question is bad science.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
For several reasons:
1) It's not the doctor's money. It's yours.
2) They get a cut for pushing drugs
3) Your insurance take a cut % of how much is spent
4) It's expensive so you, the "consumer", demand something for your money other than "go home and sleep it off".
5) "individualism" means that everyone runs after the same promoted bullshit in a herd of sheeple and will sue the arse off a doctor if they don't medicate you when they demand.
You in the USA 100% definitely over medicate.
Vaccination isn't medication, it's health and safety.
Viagra is medication.
Herceptin is medication.
Anti-drepressands are medication.
It appears to show a decline.. hmmm, yeah... It's a log graph - it went from like 100,000 to 10, you fantastic, almost unbelievable idiot. That's not methodological differences or something. A whole bunch of people used to get measles, and then almost nobody did. Because they were getting vaccinated.
Your stupid, stupid mental agenda is preventing you from getting anywhere near the ballpark of sanity.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
My sister worked for a while some years back in a veteran's hospital. An old guy came in and since she was the admitting doctor she went through the paperwork and she had a conversation a lot like this:
"Have you ever had any serious life threatening diseases?"
"No."
"What about malaria?"
"Oh yes, gave me trouble for years."
"Yellow fever?"
"Yes."
"Beri Beri?"
"That too, but everybody who fought in the jungle had all those. They were not unusual life threatening diseases."
What you and I don't take seriously and doctors know to take seriously can be different things. I'm not a doctor so I just have to take their word for it with chicken pox. As I kid I didn't take it, mumps or measles seriously.
I don't want to be insensitive to the children, that have little choice on whether they are vaccinated or not, or more responsible relatives that would have vaccinated these children if they could have, but isn't this just natural selection at work in our modern society? How is this any different than parents that smoke around their kids or don't put them in the proper restraints when in a car? The parents, who either because of their intrinsic intelligence or because of the beliefs of their social groups, etc, choose to not protect themselves and their offspring from danger. Because of this, they can be removed from the gene pool, and this alters the future generations, hopefully for the better.