I have to say, regrettably, that while I have, in the past, not supported the idea of "voting the bastards out" it has now come to the point where that is the only solution to the problem. My only fear is that because of the gerrymandering of the districts in th elast 50 years we might end up with the same morons whether we want them or not, which will lead to the false impression that we actually wanted them back again.
But we must begin now, to prepare new people for the 2014 campaigns. Step forward and take control of your party, whichever one it is, at the ground/grass level. Today!
oh Jeez, give it up on the "learning humility." Believe me, the students had no choice about nothing, ever. They do it to get to the end, and if they can't hack the 14-16 hour days on the line (7days a week, for probably unknown duration) they can always commit suicide. That is their choice. Oh, you say, they can just go home! Oh yeah right, you have not a clue what that entails: no life, no wife, no hope for anything in their future because they let their parents down. Yeah, you have no clue what their world is like.
Back in the 80s this was one of my pet bitches: The American bidding system is based on low bid.
The european system was based on who comes closest to the expected cost, or to mean of all the bids tendered. This means that instead of getting realistic bids for a reasonable price on something that will be at least decent quality, we get crap, overruns, rip-offs and a bidding process that is completely unrealistic.
I have heard that Europe is not as realistic as it was, too bad. We need a similar system, but contractors would fight it tooth and nail: they reasonably conclude that any change is going to impact their bottom line.
well, matter of opinion I reckon. I was made in Japan, born in the US, raised in Europe and schooled in the US. Lived in Asia for more than 15 years and here in the US for 30. So, if you want a worldly view I think I have one also. I support both political correctness and cultural diversity, hell I even support european style socialism. I never felt the chill on my desire to say anything, what I don't like is gun-toting morons wandering loose on the streets and claiming that their "right to bear arms" is being abridged when they can't buy automatic weapons and one-shot-kills-all bullets. No, I am completely on the other side from you and now that I have said it feel a little bit nervous about who is going to come looking me up and trying to change my mind. Maybe more than a little.... (chill runs down my back...)
and they are disappearing in the US as well. To expect anyone in the world to know TRs is just.... well you are obviously old, like me, but also not really observant. Look, Halloween is coming up soon. We can end this debate then. Check in the grocery stores in the week before Halloween and see how many TRs are being sold. Then, case closed.
Wait a minute, what about the "Breaking Bad" effect? The hero has cancer and needs treatment so he starts his own business and grows it into a distributorship that has national exposure! Now that is America!
Not only that, somewhere recently someone pointed out that this could not have happened in a country like.... well like the rest of the modern western world because if you have cancer in one of those countries they will just take care of you and pay for it because they have a single-payer insurance system that covers everyone automatically.
Oh those poor people, they are being robbed of their opportunities to be enterpreneurs!
The other day on Slashdot there was a story about how to find out what advertisers have on you. Naturally this data is also available to the NSA as well. Anyway, I checked it out and boy oh boy, what a surprise I got. According to that site, my name labels me as an Arab. (I have about as solid a Saxon name as there is, but not Smith I admit). I am single (news for my wife and kids I am sure) and I have a job that puts me in a middle bracket. Thanks, Wish my job did pay that much, but it doesn't.
So, sounds like I am going to end up on a watch list somewhere sometime soon. How embarrassing. How stupid. What a waste of resources.
The point of the article was that I could go and give them correct information. Yeah, right, sure I will. Maybe I'll change my name to something really weird and see what happens with that.
The Russians are in the worst cultural/psychic/self-destructive meltdown imaginable. Not content with a slow die-off through low birthrates (1.37 births/couple last I heard) they have to feed this stuff to their people to get rid of them faster. What no-one is considering is that there is a part of Russia that is growing in population: the Turkic peoples in the South. The ones that breed the nastiest kind of terrorists like the Boston marathon bombers and the Chechens, the Turkmen, etc, lots of people you don't know and hopefully never will.
But it is probably a forlorn hope. They will be able to take over the northern parts in a decade or so. Siberia is almost empty. I rode across by trin two years ago and it was rapidly emptying. Villages that were full of empty houses, weed choked yards and gardens, roads in name only. It is a mess.
I had a brickmason who worked for me years ago. He no longer drank beer, but he would drick a six-pack or more of soda every day. He said that until he started drinkiong soda he didn't have the belly at all. When he worked for me he was so old and... swollen... that he would wash his boots every time he peed, just cause he couldn't see them. Probably hadn't seen his thingy in 20 years either. Stanley Roach, now I remember his name, he was an awesome brickmason, even in his 70s.
But this, this is what pisses me off: On my media center computer attached to my 42" Internet enabled TV (let that sink in, I use both an internet enabled TV AND a media center computer, same screen device) I cruise over to Comedy Central website and choose a show to watch. Floods of adverts, sometimes the same one multiple times, at all the breaks and beginning and end: Same as or worse than regular TV. Other end of the house, on my desktop, do the same cruise and choose, same show: no adverts. So, they can tell that the screen for the media center is a TV so I should get buried in ads, while the computer has nothing but pure content. I find that this seems to be a bit to much of an invasion of privacy. I mean really, this is America, the land of the free and the home of the brave! We would never let a company take away the right to switch out the monitors without making us pay through advertising, would we? We will, I am certain, now that I have alerted the public, scream with rage, rage I say, over this blatant intrusion into our castles and forcing my children to ingest that noxious pablum called TV commercials. Rise up, citizens, rise up!!!!
where are you citizens? Why don't you care about this??? why don't you care about anything???????
"what will happen is people..." Hmm, you really think you can judge "people" by the standards and norms ( and the expectations arising from those S&N) of your tiny clique of friends? I don't think, based on what I hear "people" say at work that "people" have a clue what the people of Western Europe, much less the rest of the world will or won't do. Your statement is just... well... so ignorant that it makes me weep. I apologize for the harshness, because it is not your fault, but people in North America are so apart from the rest of the world that you cannot imagine how other people see the world, and that the choices others make are often very different from yours because they have completely different goals.
One thing I can guess (I say guess with purpose, just because I have lived in Europe and have a Dutch wife does not mean I can tell anyone with certainty what Europeans will do) is that most of the people in Munich will think about a Mac, but reject it because of the unrealistic pricing. Then they will look at their perfectly good computer, throw the CD in one time and if it works as planned, will install Ubuntu. If everything works nicely they will just go about their business from there. If not, they will probably buy new equipment with win7. But that is just a guess.
My little bro has a Leaf and I drove it a short bit over the summer. It was a nice drive for sure, plenty of pickup and power for a little family econo-box. That is what it is, you want pretty you're looking at the wrong car. Inside it is still an econobox. Now just think, it is an "around town" car. For going to work, shopping, trips to the hairdresser and the hardware store. It is not a cruiser for cross-country stylin', it is not a muscle car for impressing your male friends, it is not a mini-van for hauling the soccer team around. It is just what it looks like. So what is the problem?
OK, I have a global solution that will please everybody I am sure: First, we agree that the government is going to not just put their greedy mitts on the meta-data, we accept that they will have access to the whole kit and kaboodle. However, instead of some dinky government agency using funky old algorithms to find unpleasant information, the government is required to hire the unemployed to filter information (tweets, FB posts, Skype chats and calls, email, etc, etc) and pay them minimum wage to read, listen to and otherwise understand what is being shared. The "workers" will have a shift goal of a certain number of "information units" per 4 hour shift ( or two hour or one, I don't care) and have to provide the government overseers with any "unacceptable" communication for further "study." Accepted "unacceptables" will mean a bonus for the worker!
In this way we can provide jobs for all the unemployed, use humans to actually check whether things are acceptable or not and have some backup for the filtering: all human. Just think how positively this will affect the economy! Hundreds of thousands can work part time from their home together with their MickeyD job to supplement their income. The government can blame it on "human failure." The right and the left can complain about intrusive government, the tax base will grow quickly and everything will be rainbows and unicorns.
I am copyrighting this idea, so when you try to implement it in your official campaign platform remember that you'll have to pay me off. Wait, what do you mean I can't copyright it, China already does it???? Then why don't we just copy them and give it a new name. What do you mean algorithms are cheaper!? I'm trying help the economy!! Sheesh
I do a daily to a second 2T hard disk, so I could lose a few hours. But then I am doing nothing important and unreproducible. Oh, and then monthly I do a bkup to an external drive that I keep in a separate location. That way even weather or fire or zombies would have to strike two separate locations to get everything.
I'm a 60 year old techno super/hyper hipster. I stopped wearing a wristwatch in the mid-90s when they just started falling off, and I mean one after another after another till I got tired of it. Then I went for 5 or 6 years without any watch at all before I bought a $3.00 Chinese army pocket watch. It was awesome, until it took a dunk. Oh well. I learned then that really if you just pay attention to the "feeling " of the passage of time and the shadows and light you really don't need a watch. I can usually (if I'm not totally wiped out tired) tell you the time to within ten minutes at any time of day or night. I can also wake up at any time of day or night from a deep sleep.
OK, OK stop it with the language misunderstandings. 1) "putonghua" formerly called "mandarin" 2) most people can speak the "common" language wherever they are, They may not speak it well, but they speak it. Now, you say that if they cannot speak it to the level of correctness that you have decided is acceptable then they "can't speak "your" language? Well, bad news for you, maybe you don't meet someone else's standards. either. For example, back to China, the Hong Kong minority have told me vociferously that the mainland Chinese are a bunch of illiterater farmers who can't read, write, understand or speak Chinese past HK 6th grade level.
Before you make blanket statements about things you just have a bigoty opinion about, Go back and listen to a speech by... say Winston Churchill. And tell me that your English is as good as his. "That is the kind of arrant nonsense up with which I will not put."
The thing I see is two-fold 1) people tend to like what they use. Once a decision is made, then it was the right decision and a good decision unles it becomes painfully clear that it was really wrong. 2) I use VirtualBox by necessity because my workplace requires that I input a minute amount of data into Filemaker once a week. Now, if it were up to me I would use kvm. It is better integrated into Fedora than VB and equally free. But my IT buddy who is responsible for my computer and is an old linux sysadmin from before kvm (now having gone to the fruity darkside) is more comfortable with VB because he has adminned it before. So, I do what works best for him rather than make him uncomfortable.
The products all are very similar and for 99% of what they are used for any of them are fine. Money counts, though.
while this is funny, the problem is not as dire as the article would have us believe. Think, do you know someone, or have you, quit smoking? (I did) Have you changed your eating habits to avoid something you thought might be not so good for you (I have) So much for the "neglect the future" argument
Then, the "availability heuristics" argument: So, because of the risk of an accident you have stopped driving after drinking? Or texting or answering your phone in the car? No? You stop because there are now laws in some places that make this doubly risky behavior. In fact, because the government steps in and says "NO!" It is interesting to me the example choices in the summary, they all also had an aspect of government intervention as well as media hype: we know about terror attacks because they make headlines and get screamed by media on TV, the internet and are used as excuses by the government to push agendas.
Finally, the personal instigator. Oh yes, that is why we don't trust "Arabs" or "Blacks" or "Asians" or whoever you happen to distrust or hate. Tell me again why the movies now have Asians or Arabs as the bad guys, when they used to have Black guys, or mentally ill people or... the list goes on back in my memory to wearers of black hats. Our life is full of non-personal sources of fear and loathing. Non-human sources: how about oh uh gee: nuclear energy, nuclear weapons, or anything nuclear besides medicine. How about vaccines, antibiotics, prayer, extremism, socialism, communism, one-worldism, the list of fear and hate inducers is legion. Without faces attached and still acting as an impetus for positive or negative action.
So, someone up above reported that this same author of TFA (or TBSA) also has an animal rights agenda. That doesn't seem connected to this though. This is just warping psychology to support a personal opinion. You or I can do the same thing. It happens in academia often, but generally gets slapped down pretty quick unless the perp has big creds. My guess is that this was a pop-psych thingy that just happened on a slow news day and should have been shredded before publication.
As a hetero male, you have gotten sucked into the whole "young girls are the only attractive females" shit. Let me say from experience of young girls in both my younger years and my 40s, I stay far away from them. Why? Are they ugly? Well, not on the outside, but dumb as a rock on the inside. It takes 'em years to reach maturity and to have anything valuable and important to add to a post -coital conversation. Seriously.
And in this Gates is the perfect example. Consider the "losses" to piracy that Gates encouraged in the late nineties to get Windows and MS Office into the Chinese market. Nowadays I have Chinese students who rip OS X out of their macbook air to install winxp.
yup, when I was a kid I used to scour the construction sites after 5 and pick up empty soda bottles to return for 2 cents each (I'm a lot older than you I guess).
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I have to say, regrettably, that while I have, in the past, not supported the idea of "voting the bastards out" it has now come to the point where that is the only solution to the problem. My only fear is that because of the gerrymandering of the districts in th elast 50 years we might end up with the same morons whether we want them or not, which will lead to the false impression that we actually wanted them back again.
But we must begin now, to prepare new people for the 2014 campaigns. Step forward and take control of your party, whichever one it is, at the ground/grass level. Today!
oh Jeez, give it up on the "learning humility." Believe me, the students had no choice about nothing, ever. They do it to get to the end, and if they can't hack the 14-16 hour days on the line (7days a week, for probably unknown duration) they can always commit suicide. That is their choice. Oh, you say, they can just go home! Oh yeah right, you have not a clue what that entails: no life, no wife, no hope for anything in their future because they let their parents down. Yeah, you have no clue what their world is like.
Back in the 80s this was one of my pet bitches: The American bidding system is based on low bid.
The european system was based on who comes closest to the expected cost, or to mean of all the bids tendered. This means that instead of getting realistic bids for a reasonable price on something that will be at least decent quality, we get crap, overruns, rip-offs and a bidding process that is completely unrealistic.
I have heard that Europe is not as realistic as it was, too bad. We need a similar system, but contractors would fight it tooth and nail: they reasonably conclude that any change is going to impact their bottom line.
well, matter of opinion I reckon. I was made in Japan, born in the US, raised in Europe and schooled in the US. Lived in Asia for more than 15 years and here in the US for 30. So, if you want a worldly view I think I have one also. I support both political correctness and cultural diversity, hell I even support european style socialism. I never felt the chill on my desire to say anything, what I don't like is gun-toting morons wandering loose on the streets and claiming that their "right to bear arms" is being abridged when they can't buy automatic weapons and one-shot-kills-all bullets. No, I am completely on the other side from you and now that I have said it feel a little bit nervous about who is going to come looking me up and trying to change my mind. Maybe more than a little .... (chill runs down my back...)
and they are disappearing in the US as well. To expect anyone in the world to know TRs is just.... well you are obviously old, like me, but also not really observant.
Look, Halloween is coming up soon. We can end this debate then. Check in the grocery stores in the week before Halloween and see how many TRs are being sold. Then, case closed.
Wait a minute, what about the "Breaking Bad" effect? The hero has cancer and needs treatment so he starts his own business and grows it into a distributorship that has national exposure! Now that is America!
Not only that, somewhere recently someone pointed out that this could not have happened in a country like .... well like the rest of the modern western world because if you have cancer in one of those countries they will just take care of you and pay for it because they have a single-payer insurance system that covers everyone automatically.
Oh those poor people, they are being robbed of their opportunities to be enterpreneurs!
maybe they just wanted to grope her for fun?
The other day on Slashdot there was a story about how to find out what advertisers have on you. Naturally this data is also available to the NSA as well. Anyway, I checked it out and boy oh boy, what a surprise I got. According to that site, my name labels me as an Arab. (I have about as solid a Saxon name as there is, but not Smith I admit). I am single (news for my wife and kids I am sure) and I have a job that puts me in a middle bracket. Thanks, Wish my job did pay that much, but it doesn't.
So, sounds like I am going to end up on a watch list somewhere sometime soon. How embarrassing. How stupid. What a waste of resources.
The point of the article was that I could go and give them correct information. Yeah, right, sure I will. Maybe I'll change my name to something really weird and see what happens with that.
Yeah, the DTs killed my grandfather. They are deadly.
The Russians are in the worst cultural/psychic/self-destructive meltdown imaginable. Not content with a slow die-off through low birthrates (1.37 births /couple last I heard) they have to feed this stuff to their people to get rid of them faster. What no-one is considering is that there is a part of Russia that is growing in population: the Turkic peoples in the South. The ones that breed the nastiest kind of terrorists like the Boston marathon bombers and the Chechens, the Turkmen, etc, lots of people you don't know and hopefully never will.
But it is probably a forlorn hope. They will be able to take over the northern parts in a decade or so. Siberia is almost empty. I rode across by trin two years ago and it was rapidly emptying. Villages that were full of empty houses, weed choked yards and gardens, roads in name only. It is a mess.
Boys, boys, when I was in my 20s they only had mainframes with punchcard machines. Now get off my lawn.
I had a brickmason who worked for me years ago. He no longer drank beer, but he would drick a six-pack or more of soda every day. He said that until he started drinkiong soda he didn't have the belly at all. When he worked for me he was so old and... swollen... that he would wash his boots every time he peed, just cause he couldn't see them. Probably hadn't seen his thingy in 20 years either. Stanley Roach, now I remember his name, he was an awesome brickmason, even in his 70s.
But this, this is what pisses me off:
On my media center computer attached to my 42" Internet enabled TV (let that sink in, I use both an internet enabled TV AND a media center computer, same screen device) I cruise over to Comedy Central website and choose a show to watch. Floods of adverts, sometimes the same one multiple times, at all the breaks and beginning and end: Same as or worse than regular TV. Other end of the house, on my desktop, do the same cruise and choose, same show: no adverts. So, they can tell that the screen for the media center is a TV so I should get buried in ads, while the computer has nothing but pure content.
I find that this seems to be a bit to much of an invasion of privacy. I mean really, this is America, the land of the free and the home of the brave! We would never let a company take away the right to switch out the monitors without making us pay through advertising, would we? We will, I am certain, now that I have alerted the public, scream with rage, rage I say, over this blatant intrusion into our castles and forcing my children to ingest that noxious pablum called TV commercials.
Rise up, citizens, rise up!!!!
where are you citizens? Why don't you care about this??? why don't you care about anything???????
"what will happen is people..." ... well ... so ignorant that it makes me weep.
Hmm, you really think you can judge "people" by the standards and norms ( and the expectations arising from those S&N) of your tiny clique of friends?
I don't think, based on what I hear "people" say at work that "people" have a clue what the people of Western Europe, much less the rest of the world will or won't do. Your statement is just
I apologize for the harshness, because it is not your fault, but people in North America are so apart from the rest of the world that you cannot imagine how other people see the world, and that the choices others make are often very different from yours because they have completely different goals.
One thing I can guess (I say guess with purpose, just because I have lived in Europe and have a Dutch wife does not mean I can tell anyone with certainty what Europeans will do) is that most of the people in Munich will think about a Mac, but reject it because of the unrealistic pricing. Then they will look at their perfectly good computer, throw the CD in one time and if it works as planned, will install Ubuntu. If everything works nicely they will just go about their business from there. If not, they will probably buy new equipment with win7. But that is just a guess.
My little bro has a Leaf and I drove it a short bit over the summer. It was a nice drive for sure, plenty of pickup and power for a little family econo-box. That is what it is, you want pretty you're looking at the wrong car. Inside it is still an econobox.
Now just think, it is an "around town" car. For going to work, shopping, trips to the hairdresser and the hardware store. It is not a cruiser for cross-country stylin', it is not a muscle car for impressing your male friends, it is not a mini-van for hauling the soccer team around. It is just what it looks like. So what is the problem?
OK, I have a global solution that will please everybody I am sure:
First, we agree that the government is going to not just put their greedy mitts on the meta-data, we accept that they will have access to the whole kit and kaboodle. However, instead of some dinky government agency using funky old algorithms to find unpleasant information, the government is required to hire the unemployed to filter information (tweets, FB posts, Skype chats and calls, email, etc, etc) and pay them minimum wage to read, listen to and otherwise understand what is being shared. The "workers" will have a shift goal of a certain number of "information units" per 4 hour shift ( or two hour or one, I don't care) and have to provide the government overseers with any "unacceptable" communication for further "study." Accepted "unacceptables" will mean a bonus for the worker!
In this way we can provide jobs for all the unemployed, use humans to actually check whether things are acceptable or not and have some backup for the filtering: all human. Just think how positively this will affect the economy! Hundreds of thousands can work part time from their home together with their MickeyD job to supplement their income. The government can blame it on "human failure." The right and the left can complain about intrusive government, the tax base will grow quickly and everything will be rainbows and unicorns.
I am copyrighting this idea, so when you try to implement it in your official campaign platform remember that you'll have to pay me off. Wait, what do you mean I can't copyright it, China already does it???? Then why don't we just copy them and give it a new name. What do you mean algorithms are cheaper!? I'm trying help the economy!!
Sheesh
I do a daily to a second 2T hard disk, so I could lose a few hours. But then I am doing nothing important and unreproducible. Oh, and then monthly I do a bkup to an external drive that I keep in a separate location. That way even weather or fire or zombies would have to strike two separate locations to get everything.
I'm a 60 year old techno super/hyper hipster. I stopped wearing a wristwatch in the mid-90s when they just started falling off, and I mean one after another after another till I got tired of it. Then I went for 5 or 6 years without any watch at all before I bought a $3.00 Chinese army pocket watch. It was awesome, until it took a dunk. Oh well. I learned then that really if you just pay attention to the "feeling " of the passage of time and the shadows and light you really don't need a watch. I can usually (if I'm not totally wiped out tired) tell you the time to within ten minutes at any time of day or night. I can also wake up at any time of day or night from a deep sleep.
OK, OK stop it with the language misunderstandings.
1) "putonghua" formerly called "mandarin"
2) most people can speak the "common" language wherever they are, They may not speak it well, but they speak it. Now, you say that if they cannot speak it to the level of correctness that you have decided is acceptable then they "can't speak "your" language? Well, bad news for you, maybe you don't meet someone else's standards. either. For example, back to China, the Hong Kong minority have told me vociferously that the mainland Chinese are a bunch of illiterater farmers who can't read, write, understand or speak Chinese past HK 6th grade level.
Before you make blanket statements about things you just have a bigoty opinion about, Go back and listen to a speech by ... say Winston Churchill. And tell me that your English is as good as his. "That is the kind of arrant nonsense up with which I will not put."
The thing I see is two-fold
1) people tend to like what they use. Once a decision is made, then it was the right decision and a good decision unles it becomes painfully clear that it was really wrong.
2) I use VirtualBox by necessity because my workplace requires that I input a minute amount of data into Filemaker once a week. Now, if it were up to me I would use kvm. It is better integrated into Fedora than VB and equally free. But my IT buddy who is responsible for my computer and is an old linux sysadmin from before kvm (now having gone to the fruity darkside) is more comfortable with VB because he has adminned it before. So, I do what works best for him rather than make him uncomfortable.
The products all are very similar and for 99% of what they are used for any of them are fine. Money counts, though.
while this is funny, the problem is not as dire as the article would have us believe.
Think, do you know someone, or have you, quit smoking? (I did)
Have you changed your eating habits to avoid something you thought might be not so good for you (I have)
So much for the "neglect the future" argument
Then, the "availability heuristics" argument:
So, because of the risk of an accident you have stopped driving after drinking? Or texting or answering your phone in the car?
No? You stop because there are now laws in some places that make this doubly risky behavior. In fact, because the government steps in and says "NO!"
It is interesting to me the example choices in the summary, they all also had an aspect of government intervention as well as media hype: we know about terror attacks because they make headlines and get screamed by media on TV, the internet and are used as excuses by the government to push agendas.
Finally, the personal instigator.
Oh yes, that is why we don't trust "Arabs" or "Blacks" or "Asians" or whoever you happen to distrust or hate. Tell me again why the movies now have Asians or Arabs as the bad guys, when they used to have Black guys, or mentally ill people or... the list goes on back in my memory to wearers of black hats. Our life is full of non-personal sources of fear and loathing. Non-human sources: how about oh uh gee: nuclear energy, nuclear weapons, or anything nuclear besides medicine. How about vaccines, antibiotics, prayer, extremism, socialism, communism, one-worldism, the list of fear and hate inducers is legion. Without faces attached and still acting as an impetus for positive or negative action.
So, someone up above reported that this same author of TFA (or TBSA) also has an animal rights agenda. That doesn't seem connected to this though. This is just warping psychology to support a personal opinion. You or I can do the same thing. It happens in academia often, but generally gets slapped down pretty quick unless the perp has big creds. My guess is that this was a pop-psych thingy that just happened on a slow news day and should have been shredded before publication.
As a hetero male, you have gotten sucked into the whole "young girls are the only attractive females" shit. Let me say from experience of young girls in both my younger years and my 40s, I stay far away from them. Why? Are they ugly? Well, not on the outside, but dumb as a rock on the inside. It takes 'em years to reach maturity and to have anything valuable and important to add to a post -coital conversation. Seriously.
And in this Gates is the perfect example. Consider the "losses" to piracy that Gates encouraged in the late nineties to get Windows and MS Office into the Chinese market. Nowadays I have Chinese students who rip OS X out of their macbook air to install winxp.
yup, when I was a kid I used to scour the construction sites after 5 and pick up empty soda bottles to return for 2 cents each (I'm a lot older than you I guess).
yean, like alcohol, who ever in their bleedin' right mind could consider alcohol a flippin' poison?