Does MS really think that by shutting down the current crop of warezed XP's out there, that another crop won't appear? Come on, how much ingenuity will it take for someone to make a copy of another XP Corporate disk and/or key (I'm not sure if the disks are somehow tagged, but the keys certainly are) and put it up on an FTP server somewhere? It doesn't even need to be an IT guy that does it, though it will probably be an IT guy's head that rolls when MS figures out which company had it.
I can see it now.. Bill the Janitor is declared Hero of the Warez Realms by Sir Hax0r for courage and valor above and beyond that of all janitors, for swiping an XP Corporate CD and key for a night.
I don't know that it would apply, as DVD price fixing is constant in the US... It only changes outside the US, where US laws (theoretically) don't apply. After all, I can go to Mexico, get some Cuban cigars, smoke them, and not get arrested for violating the Cuba embargo when I re-cross the border into the US. Don't get me wrong, I would like it if DVD region encoding when down the tubes, so I could get more foreign DVD's (anime, primarily). But, I just don't know if the argument applies.
There's one part of the solution missing...
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... A mandate for Fair Use. IE something that reads along the lines of "Fair Use rights must be exercisable." Right now, we have the rights, but the industry is making it so we can't exercise them.
You should try to do anything with an Arizona driving license. Arizona licenses are good for 40 years (yup, 40). If you go to California, they look at you really funny, as California driving licenses are good for only a few.
Among the applications required by emergency management agencies are voice, video, instant messaging, e-mail, database services and Web browsing.
Good to know that web browsing is an essential service. Can't have the congress-critters missing out on slashdot, right?! Oh wait, that would require them to have a clue..... Can't have them missing out on msn.com, right?!
From the faq (In the answer to "Would the proposed Directive restrict the interoperability of computer programs?")...
It is also specified that the making of a back-up copy by a lawful user cannot be prevented.
According to this, wouldn't all of the copy prevention schemes be out the window? If it's unlawful for the companies to make a backup of my , that would make things like SafeDisc a thing of the past... Unless it's argued that you can make backup copies, but they don't have to work (Which flies in the face of rational logic.. Then again, this is the law we're talking about).
Same thing happened here in Arizona. The public outcry was so loud that they backed off. I don't know if it was just Qwest Arizona, or if it was Qwest nation-wide, but I know in Arizona, they've said they're not going to sell the customer info/calling habits.
However, there's no way that the tech can be used (At least, as I understand the tech) to limit the cd to playing on only one computer, as it doesn't contact homebase to say "I'm playing on Bob's Computer, so never let me play on anything but Bob's Computer."
Therefore the disc is a unit, complete with ECC mangled tracks, computer data, etc.
It's in a re-sellable form, so to speak, however, the license is saying that the rights to the computer portion are non-transferrable.
What it all means in the world (aka court-system), I have no idea, as IANAL.
Better response:
Buy a bunch of Universal discs, discover that they do indeed exhibit one or more of the issues listed in their return policy ("Gee, I stuck it in my computer, and it didn't play.". After all, will they really ask if you're running linux?:)), and then return them. If the distributors are going to distribute these things, they should also be made to see the error of their ways.
Doesn't the bit about the license for the player being non-transferable violate the doctrine of first sale?
I can sell my regular CD's to the guy next door, and they can't do a thing about it. Now, if I sell these silvery things to the guy next door, he can't listen to the stuff on his computer???
Or does doctrine of first sale trump such restrictions?
I wonder if Philips has the right to sue outlet stores (Best Buy, Wherehouse, Sam Goody, etc) if they put the copy-protected silver discs that sort of look like and sort of play like Audio CD's in their CD section? By definition, since the copy-protected discs aren't CDs (Assuminng Compact Disc, CD, etc are trademarked), they shouldn't be in the CD section, because it could lead to diluting of trademark...
What about twilight, ie those who do it, release it for free, but aren't necessarily at the level of Felten (Princeton professor).
For instance, what if I were to release something cracking the JoeBlowSoftwareCompany's encryption, but didn't sell it. Is it research? It's certainly not for commercial gain.
He also found that the Fourth Amendment applied neither to the computers "because they are the property of a non-resident and located outside the United States" nor the data--at least until it was transmitted to the United States.
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Finally, Coughenour rejected defense arguments that the FBI's actions "were unreasonable and illegal because they failed to comply with Russian law," saying that Russian law does not apply to the agents' actions.
So the US law doesn't apply to the alleged criminals actions/data, and the russian law doesn't apply to the agents... If the trial is going to commence, doesn't one set of laws need to be decided on for everyone involved?
Honestly, I would love to see this happen (RIAA/MPAA suing Microsoft, the main distributors of the FAT32 file system).
If the RIAA/MPAA is the 600 pound gorilla, what does that make Microsoft? The 1.5 ton gorilla? The 32 oz chimp?
In any event, it would be an interesting thing to watch.
Actually, though, who's to say the father even knew, up until the point Sean got suspended.
When I was a kid in school (Not that long ago), I told my parents as little about what happened at school as possible.
If I did tell them something they used that as a crack and asked me about it every day, no matter if it was a one-time thing or what. To avoid the situation, I just didn't tell them anything.
However, you can't really hide the fact that you've been suspended, and then removed, from school... I wonder if that's the point where Sean's dad found out about everything that was going on.
How long before we have Inspector Gadget?
Will we have to get an annoying niece and her dog that would help Inspector Gadget out, while he bumbles along?
I mean, the array of gadgets in the story just wasn't impressive:
2) protect and defend the rights or property of Hotmail
Yeah, but when what you post belongs to M$... Begs the question, what are the rights and property of Hotmail, and what rights and property can be construed through other services (for instance, PassPort).
If Hotmail has the "right" to cooperate with other M$ services, and Passport has the "right" to use/copy/rape/etc your data, then Hotmail may not necessarily have the right to use/copy/rape/etc your data, but their partners do, and since they're going to cooperate with their partners...
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Does MS really think that by shutting down the current crop of warezed XP's out there, that another crop won't appear?
Come on, how much ingenuity will it take for someone to make a copy of another XP Corporate disk and/or key (I'm not sure if the disks are somehow tagged, but the keys certainly are) and put it up on an FTP server somewhere?
It doesn't even need to be an IT guy that does it, though it will probably be an IT guy's head that rolls when MS figures out which company had it.
I can see it now.. Bill the Janitor is declared Hero of the Warez Realms by Sir Hax0r for courage and valor above and beyond that of all janitors, for swiping an XP Corporate CD and key for a night.
Actually, there was an Autobot named Prowl (A policecar), which is the Prowl that the message was talking about, I believe.
Sorry to nitpick, but the Transformers nut in me had to respond.
I thought that was Microsoft?
</karma whore>
I don't know that it would apply, as DVD price fixing is constant in the US... It only changes outside the US, where US laws (theoretically) don't apply. After all, I can go to Mexico, get some Cuban cigars, smoke them, and not get arrested for violating the Cuba embargo when I re-cross the border into the US.
Don't get me wrong, I would like it if DVD region encoding when down the tubes, so I could get more foreign DVD's (anime, primarily). But, I just don't know if the argument applies.
... A mandate for Fair Use.
IE something that reads along the lines of "Fair Use rights must be exercisable."
Right now, we have the rights, but the industry is making it so we can't exercise them.
You should try to do anything with an Arizona driving license.
Arizona licenses are good for 40 years (yup, 40). If you go to California, they look at you really funny, as California driving licenses are good for only a few.
Good to know that web browsing is an essential service. Can't have the congress-critters missing out on slashdot, right?!
Oh wait, that would require them to have a clue..... Can't have them missing out on msn.com, right?!
Because I don't really like reading about silly george, and where his content should go. ;)
That's five words.
The proper four words are:
"Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers"
DMDA is also close enough to DVDA, which aptly describes what the entertainment industry wants to do to the PC.
(If you don't know what DVDA is, watch Orgazmo)
Not that I think the Republican party sucks any less for this. McCain is a badass, though. Wish we had more of him and fewer like Lott.
That's because McCain is a Democrat in Republican clothing.
From the faq (In the answer to "Would the proposed Directive restrict the interoperability of computer programs?")...
It is also specified that the making of a back-up copy by a lawful user cannot be prevented.
According to this, wouldn't all of the copy prevention schemes be out the window? If it's unlawful for the companies to make a backup of my , that would make things like SafeDisc a thing of the past...
Unless it's argued that you can make backup copies, but they don't have to work (Which flies in the face of rational logic.. Then again, this is the law we're talking about).
Same thing happened here in Arizona. The public outcry was so loud that they backed off. I don't know if it was just Qwest Arizona, or if it was Qwest nation-wide, but I know in Arizona, they've said they're not going to sell the customer info/calling habits.
However, there's no way that the tech can be used (At least, as I understand the tech) to limit the cd to playing on only one computer, as it doesn't contact homebase to say "I'm playing on Bob's Computer, so never let me play on anything but Bob's Computer."
Therefore the disc is a unit, complete with ECC mangled tracks, computer data, etc.
It's in a re-sellable form, so to speak, however, the license is saying that the rights to the computer portion are non-transferrable.
What it all means in the world (aka court-system), I have no idea, as IANAL.
Better response: :)), and then return them. If the distributors are going to distribute these things, they should also be made to see the error of their ways.
Buy a bunch of Universal discs, discover that they do indeed exhibit one or more of the issues listed in their return policy ("Gee, I stuck it in my computer, and it didn't play.". After all, will they really ask if you're running linux?
Doesn't the bit about the license for the player being non-transferable violate the doctrine of first sale?
I can sell my regular CD's to the guy next door, and they can't do a thing about it. Now, if I sell these silvery things to the guy next door, he can't listen to the stuff on his computer???
Or does doctrine of first sale trump such restrictions?
I wonder if Philips has the right to sue outlet stores (Best Buy, Wherehouse, Sam Goody, etc) if they put the copy-protected silver discs that sort of look like and sort of play like Audio CD's in their CD section? By definition, since the copy-protected discs aren't CDs (Assuminng Compact Disc, CD, etc are trademarked), they shouldn't be in the CD section, because it could lead to diluting of trademark...
What about twilight, ie those who do it, release it for free, but aren't necessarily at the level of Felten (Princeton professor).
For instance, what if I were to release something cracking the JoeBlowSoftwareCompany's encryption, but didn't sell it. Is it research? It's certainly not for commercial gain.
McDonald's isn't organic food?
They just looked at what happened in California, and figured that it could happen to them.
Honestly, I would love to see this happen (RIAA/MPAA suing Microsoft, the main distributors of the FAT32 file system). If the RIAA/MPAA is the 600 pound gorilla, what does that make Microsoft? The 1.5 ton gorilla? The 32 oz chimp? In any event, it would be an interesting thing to watch.
Actually, though, who's to say the father even knew, up until the point Sean got suspended. When I was a kid in school (Not that long ago), I told my parents as little about what happened at school as possible. If I did tell them something they used that as a crack and asked me about it every day, no matter if it was a one-time thing or what. To avoid the situation, I just didn't tell them anything. However, you can't really hide the fact that you've been suspended, and then removed, from school... I wonder if that's the point where Sean's dad found out about everything that was going on.
Will we have to get an annoying niece and her dog that would help Inspector Gadget out, while he bumbles along?
I mean, the array of gadgets in the story just wasn't impressive:
- Go-Go-Gadget Eel
- Go-Go-Gadget Wasp
- Go-Go-Gadget Bee
- Go-Go-Gadget Moth Antennae
- Go-Go-Gadget Mouse Brain
I'd be embarassed if those were mine.2) protect and defend the rights or property of Hotmail
Yeah, but when what you post belongs to M$... Begs the question, what are the rights and property of Hotmail, and what rights and property can be construed through other services (for instance, PassPort).
If Hotmail has the "right" to cooperate with other M$ services, and Passport has the "right" to use/copy/rape/etc your data, then Hotmail may not necessarily have the right to use/copy/rape/etc your data, but their partners do, and since they're going to cooperate with their partners...