do you mean like for multiple processor single box supercomputers or do you mean for clusters? For clusters they already do, and for supercomputers-in-a-box they would have to.
Are you assuming a fair scheduler, or are you assuming affinity based scheduling, or some amalgamation of the two?
I'm personally just waiting on Microsoft to get that affinity works as well on the desktop as it does on the server and to fix that little snag for us, offering permanent affinity settings in the UI... Perhaps Vista does that and I haven't drilled down looking for it?
a) that's a good point, my apologies for doing that ASSuME thing again...
b) I heard about it from the same group I heard about Fx, so... I mean, if I say Fx to someone who's never heard about it, I say noScript in the next breath. To me they go together like bread and butter, or perhaps, macaroni and cheese. Or Steak and Beer. or... er... yah
c) [t]he[y] does a phenomenally good job with the software, and there are some other good add-ons from that same origination vector.
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So what other add-on's do you frequently use? I prefer to use flag-fox for a little browser visual cue/check, and I use download statusbar, adblockplus and foxmarks. other than that, I don't have a large number of add-ons running, but my officemates use stuff like fire.fm, and weatherbug...
But I thought the sequence usually went like this:
1. Install Firefox 2. Install noScript 3. ??? 4. Don't get infected by js vector based viruses. 5. Get flamed on/. for pedantic usage of noScript to designate a particular add-on to Firefox, and for not using the general designation of either FX3 or FF3...
No, but really. If you have noScript, as most everyone I know using Fx does, then how do you get infected by a virus that uses js as an attack vector...
Guess I'll keep reading the thread and see if the answer arises.
So what they're suggesting is that the game dev put something on your computer which will render the game unplayable until you activate it with the game dev? At which point some bits will be flipped on your computer, making the game playable?
How will this not be cracked in like three days?
Who's got the checklist? We need to mail one off pronto to the head of the EMA and tell him that this simply will not work any better than current DRM...
Okay: Blue Moon beer - never seen an advert for it, not even a poster at the liquor store.
Shiner Bock - Seen some signs in bars, but maybe 3. Been drinking it since before I saw the ads. Since I liked the Bock, thought I would try some of their other varieties. Didn't care for those.
Willy Wonka Gobstoppers - I hear they have commercials, but none have ever invaded my personal sphere of influence (meaning them to influence me). Just love gobstoppers. Tried em once. Always have loved jawbreaker type candies, but you said brand names.
Brooks shoes - Own two pairs currently (wearing one as you can imagine), have burned out a couple through usage. Never seen an advert for them, but I don't frequent athletics mags, where they are likely featured (given they are good shoes).
Avery Labels - Never personally seen an advert outside of maybe a poster or something in Staples or Office Depot or something. Not exactly a no-name brand in labels.
Mirado Black Warrior pencils (they work well for me) - Never seen an advert for any Mirado products.
Those are all brand names of the things within 18 inches of my body at just this moment (except the beer:( ) that I've never seen advertised. Why are they within reach? Because I like them and use them of course.
Now, the branded things I have seen advertised nearby would be:
Coke HP Western Digital Bates/Bostitch/Stanley (why do I have THREE staplers on my desk, the world may never know - I'm the office junk collector I suppose. But they all work... oh well) One of those spiffy Crayola tracing cutters with the clear dome protector Memorex
The only thing on the second list that was actually obtained through my own design is the HP laptop (DV6929WM - Good model - eco-friendly packaging is a plus)... I bought it for the CPU, RAM and the boxless packaging, not for the adverts. I was considering a Toshiba (which I've owned before - Sat Pro) or a Panasonic (iirc), but saw the display in the store, and decided right then to purchase one. So therefore even though I was predisposed to purchase an HP, it met my budgetary constraints and had the feature set I was looking for, and was available then. Had I had to order it from the web, I probably wouldn't have bought an HP. Definitely my most expensive impulse purchase.
What if you're a kleptomaniac or have dual personalities and don't realize you've taken the money? What if you have some sort of sleepwalk disorder and you behave like a bird (taking shiny or valuable things just because they are shiny or there)?
Eh, quit bailing the ship out with the sieve. We get it, but you're still ignoring about half the argument. Intent is nothing without the environment. You may have an intent to rob a bank (plenty of fore-planning and lots of evidence at your house), but you show up and someone is already robbing the bank, and you have a fit of vigilante wrongs-righter, and so you take out the guy who's already robbing the bank, should you be arrested for stopping the robbery, when it would be obvious to anyone investigating you that you had been planning to rob a bank? Obviously you had intent.
Intent is a tenuous thing, and I know that you know that.
And as for the line about intent underlies all readings of morality, I debate that and insert the proof of the understanding of a young child about what is right and wrong. And I'm not talking about some child with an abnormally religious childhood, I'm talking about a child from an areligious or an agnostic home, who has only been taught that they should be themselves. They know what is right and wrong at an instinctual level, and no amount of "education" can instill that, it can only refine or distort.
Now, for your retort which I will cleverly ignore while avoiding low budget HDV filipino horror movies in NYC... Where can I catch Banga? Love to check out indie stuff...
Here's the thing: if their stock collapsed that far, then they would start selling off assets, and all that cash in the bank has to go somewhere. Part of the companies assets is the cash in the bank, so...
Now, I realize that investor confidence is what drives a stock price, but there are only so many reasons for a collapse that far, and it usually involves digging into said cash reserves.
Er yeah, but by a proprietary vendoooorrrr, eh... I see what you did there;)
I think the goal is to eventually open-source the concepts, and sell the wrappers. And the support, always sell the support...
I have to say tho, that I thought the whole point of CPU ISA was to be able to do just this sort of thing. If you're not writing code that absolutely depends on the underlying CPU hardware (why would you, isn't that the point of the kernel) then you should be able to move to any other platform... Okay okay, so there's the whole 32-bit -> 64-bit snafu, but that's because we're talking paradigm shifts.
What I'm curious about is the Xeon -> Itanium2 shift... And naturally the reverse as well =D
I can hear a TV turn on in the other room, presuming we're discussing CRT style TVs... people are amazed that I can do it, but I'm amazed they don't listen to the world around them.
And when I walk into my office (which is our build lab and our server room - 2 servers) I can tell if something is wrong immediately.
The thing is that you can immediately use the forum to find an answer by posting to lots of people at once. If you can toss it up where 30 eyes can look at it, you may get a lot better response than just looking for keywords in the db...
But I think they're right, it's going to devolve into a bit of a productivity block...
Okay, you don't use a firewall to block viruses, I thought I was saying that a firewall is like a locked door. It stops the weak attempts at entry. That's it. I agree that AV is an unnecessary evil, but so are door locks. If you can prove to me why we need door locks as a society, then I can prove to you why we need AV. My parents don't have to lock their doors in the town they live in, but it's a small town, and the neighbors all know how to fire a gun. So I'm not worried that somebody is going into their home. But where I live (.sig) I can't leave my door unlocked. The reason I can't leave my door unlocked is the same reason I use AV, because I _can_ _not_ trust _people_ because there is always one bad apple. So save your anti-AV whine for somewhere that it will be useful, or start fixing it by becoming an AV-writer attacking ninja, and do the rest of us a favor while you're at it.
The self-healing processing object I was talking about is YOUR BODY. It's a processing unit, and it's self-healing in most instances. Something drastic can break that, but that goes for all self-healing objects. Look at the concept of a cocoon for sudden failures on high speed equipment. Catastrophic failures are different from minute failures.
As for the boot time system check, agreed, it doesn't run at every boot, and I never insinuated that, but by default it IS turned on to run every so many boots. And I disagree that any fs, journaled or not (ext3 and reiser are journaling, no?), never needs to be checked for consistency. I strongly deny that if that is your stance. All filesystems need to be checked at some point. But if you think that your system never runs the potential for corruption, that's just silly. It's based on the influence of magnets and electricity, ain't it?
Now, as regards self healing bridges, what do you think the preliminary concepts in plastics research are for? They want to be able to apply the same fault-tolerance provision to concrete. There are researchers working on that, according to PopMech or PopSci (I forget which right now, but I know I've seen it).
Sure, bridges from 1900 fall down and aren't self-healing, and it's hard to make concrete that re-stitches itself together, but that is the realm of epoxy resin, and they are working on that. If our civilization lasts another 200 years, expect your great-grandchildren to see those things in their time as commonplace.
Ok, pass the joint, or the bong, or whatever it is. You want to get rid of self-healing processing units? Ok, then my suggestion is to go find and android case quickly, and move all your permanent data files over. Get rid of that self-healing processing unit that you're using to read this and to type that snarky reply. Dude, the whole point of engineering is to build systems that are self-healing. If you think you can design a system that is impervious to damage, let me know, but most engineers try to think of how to make their systems self-healing.
Have you seen the work being done in Plastics that are being made to be self-healing?
So you deny that the base install using ext3fs of most modern distros will run a fsck like procedure on a drive every so many boots? Why do you think the modern system designers who are responsible for overseeing these builds continue to include that feature? Do you really think you know more than a good fs designer, or are you one, and you're just not admitting it yet?
You are correct, I did mix metaphors. But the point of locked doors versus open doors is still somewhat valid, as most who don't run any AV still don't run a firewall, regardless of XP SP2, and most who don't run a firewall still run AV, so your analogy of a dog inside is more apt.
VBA used to be sandboxed, and it wasn't powerful enough to consider keeping unless it was un-sandboxed. Sorry. It's a business decision, mdae for business people. I agree that it's a Bad Thing (tm) that it will let you do so much, but it's here and it's going to stay for now. Hell, OO.o has a similar language.
Reading through this, I think that only a small percentage of/.ers understand this, although I see you and I are trying to spread the message. What I'm waiting on is a MS apt-get based off WU. Something to keep things like Adobe Reader (well, foxit for me) or Sun Java or whatever up-to-date, instead of me having to have thirty or forty updaters running in my systray (exaggerated numbers, but I have seen nearly a dozen on one box, because nobody wants to work together it seems)
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do you mean like for multiple processor single box supercomputers or do you mean for clusters? For clusters they already do, and for supercomputers-in-a-box they would have to.
In re: clusters, start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Passing_Interface or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMP for more info.
Are you assuming a fair scheduler, or are you assuming affinity based scheduling, or some amalgamation of the two?
I'm personally just waiting on Microsoft to get that affinity works as well on the desktop as it does on the server and to fix that little snag for us, offering permanent affinity settings in the UI... Perhaps Vista does that and I haven't drilled down looking for it?
I sorely hope this were a joke....
That would be at least three kinds of a bad idea
a) that's a good point, my apologies for doing that ASSuME thing again...
b) I heard about it from the same group I heard about Fx, so... I mean, if I say Fx to someone who's never heard about it, I say noScript in the next breath. To me they go together like bread and butter, or perhaps, macaroni and cheese. Or Steak and Beer. or... er... yah
c) [t]he[y] does a phenomenally good job with the software, and there are some other good add-ons from that same origination vector.
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So what other add-on's do you frequently use? I prefer to use flag-fox for a little browser visual cue/check, and I use download statusbar, adblockplus and foxmarks. other than that, I don't have a large number of add-ons running, but my officemates use stuff like fire.fm, and weatherbug...
But I thought the sequence usually went like this:
1. Install Firefox /. for pedantic usage of noScript to designate a particular add-on to Firefox, and for not using the general designation of either FX3 or FF3...
2. Install noScript
3. ???
4. Don't get infected by js vector based viruses.
5. Get flamed on
No, but really. If you have noScript, as most everyone I know using Fx does, then how do you get infected by a virus that uses js as an attack vector...
Guess I'll keep reading the thread and see if the answer arises.
Post whoring on the back of a frist psot...
So what they're suggesting is that the game dev put something on your computer which will render the game unplayable until you activate it with the game dev? At which point some bits will be flipped on your computer, making the game playable?
How will this not be cracked in like three days?
Who's got the checklist? We need to mail one off pronto to the head of the EMA and tell him that this simply will not work any better than current DRM...
Fail:
All Good but... Will it blend?
Now, that's the question! Better yet, can you blend an i7 and a Phenom II?
Okay:
Blue Moon beer - never seen an advert for it, not even a poster at the liquor store.
Shiner Bock - Seen some signs in bars, but maybe 3. Been drinking it since before I saw the ads. Since I liked the Bock, thought I would try some of their other varieties. Didn't care for those.
Willy Wonka Gobstoppers - I hear they have commercials, but none have ever invaded my personal sphere of influence (meaning them to influence me). Just love gobstoppers. Tried em once. Always have loved jawbreaker type candies, but you said brand names.
Brooks shoes - Own two pairs currently (wearing one as you can imagine), have burned out a couple through usage. Never seen an advert for them, but I don't frequent athletics mags, where they are likely featured (given they are good shoes).
Avery Labels - Never personally seen an advert outside of maybe a poster or something in Staples or Office Depot or something. Not exactly a no-name brand in labels.
Mirado Black Warrior pencils (they work well for me) - Never seen an advert for any Mirado products.
Those are all brand names of the things within 18 inches of my body at just this moment (except the beer :( ) that I've never seen advertised. Why are they within reach? Because I like them and use them of course.
Now, the branded things I have seen advertised nearby would be:
Coke
HP
Western Digital
Bates/Bostitch/Stanley (why do I have THREE staplers on my desk, the world may never know - I'm the office junk collector I suppose. But they all work... oh well)
One of those spiffy Crayola tracing cutters with the clear dome protector
Memorex
The only thing on the second list that was actually obtained through my own design is the HP laptop (DV6929WM - Good model - eco-friendly packaging is a plus)... I bought it for the CPU, RAM and the boxless packaging, not for the adverts. I was considering a Toshiba (which I've owned before - Sat Pro) or a Panasonic (iirc), but saw the display in the store, and decided right then to purchase one. So therefore even though I was predisposed to purchase an HP, it met my budgetary constraints and had the feature set I was looking for, and was available then. Had I had to order it from the web, I probably wouldn't have bought an HP. Definitely my most expensive impulse purchase.
What if you're a kleptomaniac or have dual personalities and don't realize you've taken the money? What if you have some sort of sleepwalk disorder and you behave like a bird (taking shiny or valuable things just because they are shiny or there)?
Eh, quit bailing the ship out with the sieve. We get it, but you're still ignoring about half the argument. Intent is nothing without the environment. You may have an intent to rob a bank (plenty of fore-planning and lots of evidence at your house), but you show up and someone is already robbing the bank, and you have a fit of vigilante wrongs-righter, and so you take out the guy who's already robbing the bank, should you be arrested for stopping the robbery, when it would be obvious to anyone investigating you that you had been planning to rob a bank? Obviously you had intent.
Intent is a tenuous thing, and I know that you know that.
And as for the line about intent underlies all readings of morality, I debate that and insert the proof of the understanding of a young child about what is right and wrong. And I'm not talking about some child with an abnormally religious childhood, I'm talking about a child from an areligious or an agnostic home, who has only been taught that they should be themselves. They know what is right and wrong at an instinctual level, and no amount of "education" can instill that, it can only refine or distort.
Now, for your retort which I will cleverly ignore while avoiding low budget HDV filipino horror movies in NYC... Where can I catch Banga? Love to check out indie stuff...
Ok, I'll bite.
Here's the thing: if their stock collapsed that far, then they would start selling off assets, and all that cash in the bank has to go somewhere. Part of the companies assets is the cash in the bank, so...
Now, I realize that investor confidence is what drives a stock price, but there are only so many reasons for a collapse that far, and it usually involves digging into said cash reserves.
Am I meandering now?
Remind me how it's divested entirely from the Microsoft shares he holds?
Er yeah, but by a proprietary vendoooorrrr, eh... I see what you did there ;)
I think the goal is to eventually open-source the concepts, and sell the wrappers. And the support, always sell the support...
I have to say tho, that I thought the whole point of CPU ISA was to be able to do just this sort of thing. If you're not writing code that absolutely depends on the underlying CPU hardware (why would you, isn't that the point of the kernel) then you should be able to move to any other platform... Okay okay, so there's the whole 32-bit -> 64-bit snafu, but that's because we're talking paradigm shifts.
What I'm curious about is the Xeon -> Itanium2 shift... And naturally the reverse as well =D
Eh, what? Where did they promote Nokia? Because Nokia's part of the summary due to they are in the article?
Enlighten me how they're promoting please...
But on with the show. Cute network, cute device. What's the lifetime on the site you reckon? 5 years? Honest answer please.
Thank you!
I can hear a TV turn on in the other room, presuming we're discussing CRT style TVs... people are amazed that I can do it, but I'm amazed they don't listen to the world around them.
And when I walk into my office (which is our build lab and our server room - 2 servers) I can tell if something is wrong immediately.
No, he succeeded at Funny, you FAIL at HUMOR
pfft, anything less than two serial ports, a few yards of cable, and a couple cat commands is for noobs....
So that's holding you back too! I've got users here that want it, but they need to tether as well... Any advice on a good USB modem?
Ok, you have succesfully forced me into a state of having a deranged stare... Thanks.
Oh, and your analogy, while quite the analogy, doesn't seem to help in this situation, unfortunately...
Now to go burn my eyes out with liquid lye, thanks.
The thing is that you can immediately use the forum to find an answer by posting to lots of people at once. If you can toss it up where 30 eyes can look at it, you may get a lot better response than just looking for keywords in the db...
But I think they're right, it's going to devolve into a bit of a productivity block...
Okay, you don't use a firewall to block viruses, I thought I was saying that a firewall is like a locked door. It stops the weak attempts at entry. That's it. I agree that AV is an unnecessary evil, but so are door locks. If you can prove to me why we need door locks as a society, then I can prove to you why we need AV. My parents don't have to lock their doors in the town they live in, but it's a small town, and the neighbors all know how to fire a gun. So I'm not worried that somebody is going into their home. But where I live (.sig) I can't leave my door unlocked. The reason I can't leave my door unlocked is the same reason I use AV, because I _can_ _not_ trust _people_ because there is always one bad apple. So save your anti-AV whine for somewhere that it will be useful, or start fixing it by becoming an AV-writer attacking ninja, and do the rest of us a favor while you're at it.
The self-healing processing object I was talking about is YOUR BODY. It's a processing unit, and it's self-healing in most instances. Something drastic can break that, but that goes for all self-healing objects. Look at the concept of a cocoon for sudden failures on high speed equipment. Catastrophic failures are different from minute failures.
As for the boot time system check, agreed, it doesn't run at every boot, and I never insinuated that, but by default it IS turned on to run every so many boots. And I disagree that any fs, journaled or not (ext3 and reiser are journaling, no?), never needs to be checked for consistency. I strongly deny that if that is your stance. All filesystems need to be checked at some point. But if you think that your system never runs the potential for corruption, that's just silly. It's based on the influence of magnets and electricity, ain't it?
Now, as regards self healing bridges, what do you think the preliminary concepts in plastics research are for? They want to be able to apply the same fault-tolerance provision to concrete. There are researchers working on that, according to PopMech or PopSci (I forget which right now, but I know I've seen it).
Sure, bridges from 1900 fall down and aren't self-healing, and it's hard to make concrete that re-stitches itself together, but that is the realm of epoxy resin, and they are working on that. If our civilization lasts another 200 years, expect your great-grandchildren to see those things in their time as commonplace.
Ok, pass the joint, or the bong, or whatever it is. You want to get rid of self-healing processing units? Ok, then my suggestion is to go find and android case quickly, and move all your permanent data files over. Get rid of that self-healing processing unit that you're using to read this and to type that snarky reply. Dude, the whole point of engineering is to build systems that are self-healing. If you think you can design a system that is impervious to damage, let me know, but most engineers try to think of how to make their systems self-healing.
Have you seen the work being done in Plastics that are being made to be self-healing?
So you deny that the base install using ext3fs of most modern distros will run a fsck like procedure on a drive every so many boots? Why do you think the modern system designers who are responsible for overseeing these builds continue to include that feature? Do you really think you know more than a good fs designer, or are you one, and you're just not admitting it yet?
You are correct, I did mix metaphors. But the point of locked doors versus open doors is still somewhat valid, as most who don't run any AV still don't run a firewall, regardless of XP SP2, and most who don't run a firewall still run AV, so your analogy of a dog inside is more apt.
VBA used to be sandboxed, and it wasn't powerful enough to consider keeping unless it was un-sandboxed. Sorry. It's a business decision, mdae for business people. I agree that it's a Bad Thing (tm) that it will let you do so much, but it's here and it's going to stay for now. Hell, OO.o has a similar language.
Reading through this, I think that only a small percentage of /.ers understand this, although I see you and I are trying to spread the message. What I'm waiting on is a MS apt-get based off WU. Something to keep things like Adobe Reader (well, foxit for me) or Sun Java or whatever up-to-date, instead of me having to have thirty or forty updaters running in my systray (exaggerated numbers, but I have seen nearly a dozen on one box, because nobody wants to work together it seems)
Or on Vista "Start" -> "Run" (or Win+R) and voila, admin mode.
It's called Windows Update and the signed driver initiative. You might have noticed those two bits somewhere about?
umm, someone did: http://www.app-get.com/whatisappget/