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Online Community For a Call Center?

kirkmacdonald writes "I work as an analyst in a small call center. There are about 200 on phone agents, but half of them work from home. About a month ago I submitted a Project Charter to create an online Community for the agents. The basic premise was something approaching the combination of a wiki application and a standard forum (phpbb and the like). We already have an online knowledge base for company policies, training and system documentation. This community environment would be intended to simulate being able to talk shop with the person next to you, along with the lunchroom and water cooler. The Charter was well received but there were questions from upper management about how using this type of environment could affect the call center metrics (average handle time, after call wrap up, etc). Can anyone comment on other companies that have online communities for their staff? How did they mitigate productivity risks?"

138 comments

  1. tsk tsk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your mistake was to ask upper management for an official project. Instead, just ask your co-workers for their IM contact information and get to know them that way.

    1. Re:tsk tsk by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Your mistake was to ask upper management for an official project"

      And if you ever wake up and think - "wow, my boss finally gets the new web paradigm," you will have people like the submitter and commenters who post productive advice to thank.

      Btw, I have never dealt with the subject the poster is asking about, so I have no productive advice to give.

    2. Re:tsk tsk by Ancient123 · · Score: 1

      Or convince upper management to create a social networking RPG where you level up / score based on your call metrics and reviews.

    3. Re:tsk tsk by Xerolooper · · Score: 1

      Your mistake was to ask upper management for an official project. Instead, just ask your co-workers for their IM contact information and get to know them that way.

      Having worked in a call center for 3yrs, I can tell you that in my experience black hat projects are bad news. The management is not very creative thinkers or they would not be managing a call center (arguably). It is far safer to convince them ahead of time to do something they do not understand if you make them understand that your magic will make them look good. Otherwise, you are left explaining why you were doing something that to them looks suspicious and scary no matter how good your intentions were.

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    4. Re:tsk tsk by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      What if you get the customer of 1000 truths?

    5. Re:tsk tsk by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

      What if you get the customer of 1000 truths?

      Use the BFG?

    6. Re:tsk tsk by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Having worked in a call center for 3yrs, I can tell you that in my experience black hat projects are bad news.

      What is it about that suggestion that would make it "black hat"?

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    7. Re:tsk tsk by krenshala · · Score: 1

      The fact that it is 'non sanctioned'.

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    8. Re:tsk tsk by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      To clarify krenshala's answer, he meant to say "If it was unsanctioned", which is the distinction that Xerolooper was trying to make (sanctioned v. unsanctioned, so to speak).

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    9. Re:tsk tsk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "sell" to senior management is that this online community is work (culture) focused and reinforcing. For those working from home, does anyone think that there is no non-work communities, IM, etc active during work hours.

      Since management tends to be the same the world over, I'm sure that they currently log stats, a pilot rollout will display any variation.

      As an aside a person will interrupt typing faster than interrupt talking, so you may find that the stats for workers from home with an online community are better than workers with people next to them (ie at "work").

    10. Re:tsk tsk by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In every call center I've ever dealt with, there have been two things I've noticed.

      One is that the floor supervisors (the actual ones, not the second level people who pose as them when callers ask for them) usually care about the agents working under them, and will do what they can to improve their ability to do their jobs.

      The second is that higher management cares about their clients, and want to match whatever metrics their clients are setting for them, often to the exclusion of the needs of the agents.

      Needless to say, the dissonance between group A and group B results in chaos, and I think is a big reason why most call centers have huge turnover.

      So my guess is that among those who actually work on the floor, you'll find a lot of support for this idea. Among those who manage the floor indirectly, you'll find exactly the opposite.

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    11. Re:tsk tsk by Littleman_TAMU · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "BOFH".

    12. Re:tsk tsk by Ghubi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So a good angle to pitch to upper management might be that it will help with retention.

  2. would be great if.... by northcide · · Score: 1

    the company could promise people dont use it as a place to vent their frustrations with customers.

    1. Re:would be great if.... by pilgrim23 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I work in Tech Support. A small company, about 800 desktops, and a 4 desk tech support center. About 10 years ago I quit smoking. What this has to do with the subject is interesting:
        Back when I was a gasper I would meet by the designated smoking place with the other poor souls. Smokers at that time represented an excellent cross section of the company from the receiving dock to the corporate office. When I showed up for my quick smoke the conversation would always roll around to the computer headache of the day. Hardware, Network, slow response from the branch office, printers that always hang on a word macro, whatever. And 3 or 4 other people would jump in "Hey we have the same problem!"
      This gave me a quick "pulse" of problems that a call log, staff meetings, or all the other tools of the bureaucratic trade never provided. I miss that input.

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    2. Re:would be great if.... by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the company could promise people dont use it as a place to vent their frustrations with customers.

      Are you trying to imply that call center drones have anything else to talk to each other about? In my experience, pretty much every conversation in a call center revolves around frustrations with the customers. If you don't spend enough time letting off steam by bitching about the customers, you'll eventually just bottle all that frustration in until you show up to work one day with a shotgun.

      Luckily, I quit the call center business before I got to the shotgun stage. Lousiest 6 months of my life.

    3. Re:would be great if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Call centers suck, but i believe you missed the point....while the 'drones' may not be the brightest, they do support your company/organization, if they can vent their frustrations, they become happier... you see their frustrations and make changes, they become more productive...win for the drones, win for the fat cats

    4. Re:would be great if.... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If set up properly, this kind of forum could actually be used to reduce how pissed you have to get at customers. Depends what's being supported really, but if it's something that goes beyond the level of "reboot your router, wait two minutes, and you should be online again", having a forum where people can post up problems, solutions, and additional feedback can make finding a solution faster and easier, potentially resulting in increased customer satisfaction (lower overall turnaround for solutions, resulting in word-of-mouth advertising, increased customer retention, etc), lower employee stress (they don't have to spend hours fucking around on the phone with a dumb customer trying to debug a known issue), and a central knowledge repo that could get pushed out into a public KB/FAQ after getting cleaned up a bit.

      Despite the concept of a wiki I've never really found them that easy to use outside of REALLY big ones (Wikipedia), mostly because the forum design paradigm makes more sense as a whole for finding a solution to a specific problem. Wikis are great for exploring a huge amount of knowledge, but they don't work great for a Q+A system which is typically what you need in a call center.

      A good search is absolutely critical, as well as keeping good logs of customer interaction (some sort of CRM system).

      A little general discussion area isn't a bad thing, nor is a for sale section and whatnot. Dictating that employees use a forum through policy is one approach, but actually giving them a practical reason to show up is actually effective. If they get in the habit of going to the forum just for the water cooler chat, they'll still be exposed to the content that you actually want them there for. This is even more important for the telecommuting employees, as it would be nearly impossible to block off sites like Craigslist. It can be a tough sell for management unless you really show them the value, but reenforcing that providing tools that employees like to use will help everyone out is a strong value proposition.

      (Used to work in software sales)

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    5. Re:would be great if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should start smoking again

    6. Re:would be great if.... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I've seen the 'shotgun thing' myself... Well, almost.

      This guy had been working there forever when I started. He loved this dog he had. One day, he comes in and says in monotone (no emotion) "I shot my dog." We stare. He continues, "I put my gun to the back of its head and pulled the trigger. I quit." And he walks out.

      Call center stress is amazing. I felt some of it, but thankfully, never to that degree that it affected me like that. I was only in that job for 6 months, though.

      Even if all the 'community' lets them do is blow off steam, I think it'd be worth it. Properly done, however, it could be a good resource for the company.

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    7. Re:would be great if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, 800 desktops is a small company?

      I worked at a company with maybe 80 desktops; now I'm at a code shop with 4 people. What should I put down on my resume? "Minuscule company?"

    8. Re:would be great if.... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      No, call it a "nano company," and then fudge in somewhere on your resume, "experience with nano technologies."

      Guaranteed to help you get an interview for that next job.

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    9. Re:would be great if.... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      hey, you can say that you were in a top level management position and oversaw a quarter of all company operations & personnel, or that you were personally responsible for a prodigious 25% increase in office productivity as soon as you joined the company.

    10. Re:would be great if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Going IT :)

    11. Re:would be great if.... by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you trying to imply that call center drones have anything else to talk to each other about? In my experience, pretty much every conversation in a call center revolves around frustrations with the customers. If you don't spend enough time letting off steam by bitching about the customers, you'll eventually just bottle all that frustration in until you show up to work one day with a shotgun.

      Luckily, I quit the call center business before I got to the shotgun stage. Lousiest 6 months of my life.

      As someone who's been doing various aspects of CSR work for the last 9 years or so, 5 of which were on the actual phone, I can tell you there's lots more to talk about. Of course if you're working for the typical american style production-line setup where the sole function of the CSR is to serve as a barrier betweem the justifiably pissed off customer and the guys raking in the cash, then yeah, i can imagine it being the main topic of conversation. If you happen to work for a company that actually gives a damn, or in the case of outsourcing, a client that gives a damn, one might actually see subjects such as cool products, or gaming, or in the case of most of my co-workers...sex. And if you're really lucky...all 3 at the same time ;-)

      For the record, about 90% of those co-workers are women...

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    12. Re:would be great if.... by Iron+Condor · · Score: 1

      Bah, fuck the drones -- they're cheap to replace. What this kind of forum would really be useful for is as a feedback mechanism to engineering -- in many companies the people developing the product never get to see what problems the customers actually have day-to-day with the product. Get the engineers to read what the call-center folks bitch about and you get an improved product. (Sun Microsystems had this great scheme for a while where they forced their engineers to do phone support -- this way the people who got the calls were the ones who had both the greatest motivation to minimize the number of incoming support calls AND the ones who were actually responsible for making a product that did that.)

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    13. Re:would be great if.... by matthewboh · · Score: 1

      We rolled out IM / Pidgin / Trillian to the entire company and found that productivity soared! Instead of having to call people for an answer, you could IM them. Translated into far fewer open calls, lower call time, higher customer satisfaction, less second tier and third tier support calls. If that's not good - don't know what would be.

    14. Re:would be great if.... by empaler · · Score: 1

      I don't smoke, but going outside to get a whiff of fresh air isn't a bad idea anyway - and I do it the same place as the smokers. Magic! :)

  3. Work From Home? by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you hiring? Any language requirements? What company? What kind of call center? Come on man, hook a brotha up!

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    1. Re:Work From Home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no problem.

      You make $0.25 per call.

      Still want to take that job? I looked at this kind of stuff and it does not pay. You work your ass off for what equals minimum wage.

    2. Re:Work From Home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.acs-inc.com travel division has work at home programs.

    3. Re:Work From Home? by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

      Are you hiring? Any language requirements? What company? What kind of call center? Come on man, hook a brotha up!

      You must speak english, live in Indonesia, and be willing to work for remanded clothing.

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  4. Say it can save time by haveing logs of how to fix by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Say it can save time by having logs of how to fix stuff vs having to google the same stuff over and over.

  5. Pilot, Explain, Measure by LaminatorX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Roll it out to a test group first.

    Make sure they understand that this is a privilege, and that if important metrics are negatively impacted it will go away.

    Measure over a 60 day period. Be sure to incorporate user-feedback as well.

    1. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm a call center engineer.
      It will affect metrics. Without any doubt.
      To the call center managers it's all about AHT (average handling time.)
      In larger call centers (4000+ agents), shaving 1 second off of AHT will save you $100K a month.
      A lot of the products my company sells is all about analysis of call data (MIS) and the ability to better route the call to reduce AHT.

      The only way these types of projects/products get sold is to convince the managers that it will help solve the customers problem so they don't need to call back, thus saving money.

      It's INCREDIBLY difficult to get a call center manager to spend money on training agents how to better service their customers.

      But all that aside, I wish you luck.

    2. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You work for Accenture, don't you.

      I remember Accenture. They'd come in with their lattes, casual dress, and sunglasses all the way to the conference room, then sit in there and eat Thai while they talked about how many agents my company could lay off and stay within handle time target.

      I hated that vendor, because I sat by the conference room.

    3. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      For the record, NO, I don't work for Accenture. There are many MANY consulting companies out there that do exactly what you describe. My company does some consulting (and our customers are very happy with both our service and rates) but we mostly do software sales now.

      I keep my company life and /. life separate so any rants I make here doesn't reflect on the business, but if you're really interested in learning more about the company I work for, send me an email: eggoeater__nospamplease__@yahhooo.com. (remove underscores, spam, and correct spelling of yahoo.)

    4. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by MagicM · · Score: 1

      It's INCREDIBLY difficult to get a call center manager to spend money on training agents how to better service their customers.

      Given that, any feature that reduces employee burn-out and turnover could potentially save the call center money.

    5. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I have a question for you then.

      Why dont many (if not nearly all) have no way to auto escalate calls on people who know what they talk about? Hewlett Crapard was one of the worst about this, as you had to talk to some indian while they pile away through scripts (the power button and touch strip went out for the second time). IF you were lucky, you got to the "call center manager" and perhaps were transfered to the real call center in Canada.

      The only place that had a decent call center was Western Digital when we got shipped a DoA drive. I said that, and they then went into shipping options for a new drive. I like that.

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    6. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by sheph · · Score: 0

      How is that a troll? I'd call it a convenience? After all, the parent poster went out of their way to obscure their email address. They must not want mail very much. I think this guy was just attempting to be helpful.

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    7. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      It's INCREDIBLY difficult to get a call center manager to spend money on training agents how to better service their customers.

      You'd have a point if the project under discussion was a training program. It isn't.

    8. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be a dick but if you can lay off X people and still cover do the work the company wants within their allotted time frame, you've got X too many people and you need to trim things down.

    9. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are you an idiot, or just another troll? He was trying to avoid the spam bots which read pages like slashdot looking for email addresses to send spam to. The AC just assured that he will now be spammed. Don't kid yourself, that was intentional. It was modded troll correctly.

    10. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for Apple Tech support in Austin for a while back in 2000. [soapbox]We had weekly training on whatever the current topics were and great documentation. I have no idea what their current helpdesk procedures are - but that was one of the best work-experiences I've had, not that I love being a phone-monkey, but as far as an employer feeling it was worthwhile to continue training, keep interests sparked and give people enough leeway to keep them engaged it was great. [/soapbox]

      That said - our *best* tool was the documentation. Each issue, procedure, fix, etc had a numbered document. There were public documents that allowed customer access, and of course internal ones. Of the internal ones - these varied from the indepth troubleshooting and differential diagnosis types, to the 'common problems/fixes' types.

      It's a simple concept, but gave many benefits, for instance, I had a quick reference ie "Articles 1024, 2048, and 4096" might reference common network, printer and startup problems. These would be practically committed to memory with experience.

      However, if there was a specific problem that involved lengthy troubleshooting, I could add to the notes: 'Stepped through TIL#640 and TIL#480' and any other Tech would know exactly what I'd done.

      There's a LOT of things you can do with proper documentation, it just requires a human-grok-able URL to make it quick (ie Article #'s), and the investment in the framework of people that maintain and update that documentation with current issues, write the posts and send out the emails to say what's new, track what's superceeded, etc.

      Finally, one of the things I really liked about it, if a Customer wanted some reference material or if I thought further user-education would be productive - I could email them a link to the public articles. Us *NIX types (or at least the ones that started with Slackware) are used to RTFM/HOWTO/... but, often users were grateful to get a pointer to a good help document.

      Whatever you use it should be well search-able, definitive (since these are business practices, wiki articles might not be appropriate for phone-tech until they are 'finished'), and be easily referenceable (ie Go to Article "http://kb.intra/#1234" rather than "https://sharept.intra/What%20to%20do%20when%20Foo%20SEGFAULTS/default.aspx"

    11. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      Correct, to avoid spam... but mostly in vain... I've been using that address for years and get tons of spam.

    12. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      Most call centers have higher than normal attrition.
      Ex. My former employer is a very large bank with a huge number of agents; I worked in the same building that also housed about 1500 agents. (This was one of 15 different call centers for the bank.) The agents were paid very well considering the education/experience requirements for the job, and their working conditions were very good too; flexible hours, a couple of paid breaks during the work day, and a very relaxed dress code for a bank. Despite all this, the call center's attrition was around double compared to the rest of the bank.

      My point is, turnover is always an issue for call centers and no piece of software will change that.

    13. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      I get your point, but to management, anything similar to this project would fall under training.
      And just for the record, most agents (depending on the company) get ongoing training. eg. new products, new procedures, new software. blah blah.
      In fact, where I use to work, if a new piece of software was installed on the desktop that the agents had to know how to use, the software couldn't be installed until the agents had taken a class on how to use it.

    14. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Informative

      Escalating calls is never a technical challenge (I've done routing scripts hundreds of times that do just that), but simply a business decision.
      Most businesses don't encourage it because it's expensive. As you move up the knowledge chain, the cost of the call increases almost exponentially because the expertise you are bogarting isn't cheap.
      eg. for a tech-support call, it's incredibly difficult to weed out callers who actually know what they are talking about vs the typical moron who doesn't know what to do with the mouse.
      This is why companies that buy corporate support contracts (usually) get better tech support: the guy calling them is probably from a help desk and knows how to intelligently phrase a technical question.

      Basically, if you gave someone an option in an IVR, "would you like to talk to a dumb-ass or would you like to talk to someone who actually knows what they're talking about", you're call center costs would increase x10, and if, as a caller, you selected the second option, you'd be in queue for a week.

    15. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      You say the working conditions were very good, what I'd like to ask is, were you one of these agents?

      My previous job was doing tech support at a large-ish call center and the following were some of the annoyances that seem to be shared by most call centers:

      • Two 15 minute breaks that had to be taken exactly between starting time and lunch and between lunch and quitting time, no flexibility whatsoever.
      • Despite the above point lunch break would move around during the weeks, so some days you'd come in at 7, work until 10, have lunch and then work for five hours after that, also no flexibility.
      • "Flexible" schedules in the sense that whatever hours management wants you to work are the hours you will work, unless they want you to work some crazy combination of shifts that violates labor laws, then you can call in the union.
      • Pay was decent at best, those paid by the hour got about $15/hr regardless of what work they did, those who were getting paid monthly got about $2,000/month, raises were the bare minimum they could get away with without being taken to court. The only ones making more than this were the telemarketers who also got paid commission.
      • Instead of paying someone to handle cleaning regularly the agents were ordered to clean up their own team's office and the break/lunch rooms were cleaned by different teams on a rotating schedule.
      • Any complaints about the work environment were dismissed with poorly disguised threats of termination.

      I could go on like this forever but these are the generic points (beyond having to deal with angry, screaming idiots all day long) that seem to apply to just about every call center. My point is that while from the outside it may look like a pretty decent job the difference between a call center that looks like a decent place to work and one that doesn't could best be explained by the former simply erecting better Potemkin villages (although there are some in-house call centers that are actually quite nice, but most people working in call centers these days aren't working in-house).

      /Mikael

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    16. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      I've worked in a small'ish call center (200-300 people), and you're (sadly) right.

      I fantasized about making something like that on the IVR, followed by a tech question. "How many ip's in a /30 subnet?" - "What is 0E in dec?" - "Please press in the binary representation of 4" - "What is the air velocity of an unladen swallow?"

      Well, you get the idea :) Sadly, noone else liked it for some reason ;)

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    17. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by aug24 · · Score: 1

      There's another important factor: retention.

      Call centres have high turnover, and newer agents have higher AHTs. So there's no reason to presume that this suggestion will increase AHT overall.

      Justin.

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    18. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      That sucks and is not at all what my former employer was like. And no, I was never an agent but I talked to enough of them to know what it was like. Like I said, the company is a (very large) bank, so no tech support calls, just servicing accounts.
      Most people seemed pretty happy with the job and there was always room for advancement; ie. most teams only had 10 people on them so if you stayed on for a few years, it wasn't hard to get a job as a team-leader.

    19. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      It depends on the size of the group of agents you are measuring. A small call center (200 agents) will see a spike in AHT when a new pool of agents start. Larger call centers (4K agents) won't see that spike since 20 new agents wont put much of a dent in the average.
      The larger the call center, the more emphasis there is on AHT since any change in AHT can have huge implications on operating costs.

    20. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahh... you mean eggoeater@yahoo.com

    21. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Shaitan+Apistos · · Score: 1

      SER?

    22. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by empaler · · Score: 1

      I routinely suggested "Press 4 if you are an irrate, shouting bastard", but for similar reasons, it was never implemented.

    23. Re:Pilot, Explain, Measure by Tokerat · · Score: 1

      NuAsis/Intervoice?

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  6. Clearspace by colganc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You should check out Clearspace (http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace). We looked into the product when searching for collaboration software. Ultimately we didn't pick it since it didn't fit our needs quite right, however it sounds perfect for you. Builtin forums, user profiles, wikis, and a host of other things.

    1. Re:Clearspace by Maniacal · · Score: 2, Informative
      We use Clearspace and love it. We also use the jabber server (Openfire) from Jive and love that as well. The combination of the two makes a great collaboration platform. Couple of things though:
      • Clearspace isn't free so I'll probably get modded down for suggesting it but I like it so bleh. You can use it with up to 5 users for free. They also will give you a trial license so you can testing it with a group of individuals and see if you like it.
      • Openfire is free. They have a pay version but the free version rocks. They have a jabber client as well (Spark) but it's a resource whore. You may want to avoid it though it does work very well with the Openfire server and it comes in Windows, Linux and Mac flavors
      • Clearspace was built to be a internet collaboration server so all the links to things have to begin with http, https or ftp. This is frustrating if you want to use it an intranet setup and have links to file://. There's a thread on their forum about this and they say they are looking into it so it may come
      • Uses Tomcat. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions
      • The text editor is kind of lame but they promise improvement soon. This could be a show stopper if don't like writing in wikitext. If you do like using wikitext, what the hell is wrong with you :)
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    2. Re:Clearspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also use an existing wiki, such as the sysadmin wiki (sysadmin.wikia.com). Then you can even benefit from others' edits.

      That, of course, requires that you're supporting something generic. In many support jobs, it could be quite handy to have something like the section on BIOS selection ready.

    3. Re:Clearspace by anthonys_junk · · Score: 1

      We're looking into starting a 6 month trial of Clearspace in the next couple of weeks. I would be really keen to talk to someone who has used it in the wild.

      Could you drop me a line if you are interested?

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    4. Re:Clearspace by Leebert · · Score: 1

      We use it at work, I don't run it but the guy who does I'm sure would be happy to talk to you. Drop me an e-mail at slashdot at leebert.org

  7. Don't give them a social environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the end it is the responsibility of the agent to stay within metrics. I would recommend sticking with the knowledge base you have already, but wikify it. I lobbied for a wiki at the last call center I managed, got it, and our agents' productivity skyrocketed. You don't need to go much further than that.

    If one of your techs finds a way to make X do Y faster, let her put it on the X article. She doesn't need to post it in a social forum full of "lol" and "did you see the new guy's shoes". Wikis are great for call centers, but social environments would definitely tempt agents, since they would be "company-sanctioned".

  8. First person to mention the Digex MUSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ;-)

  9. Productivity should not be a factor by genner · · Score: 1

    Anyone who would waste time on the offical company forum is already wasteing time.....on sites like slashdot.

    1. Re:Productivity should not be a factor by eln · · Score: 1

      Anyone who would waste time on the offical company forum is already wasteing time.....on sites like slashdot.

      True, but if you submit an Ask Slashdot that's work related, you can claim your Slashdot subscription as a business expense!

  10. Re:Say it can save time by haveing logs of how to by kaputtfurleben · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was going to say that they already have a knowledge base for that, but it seems they don't use it for that purpose. They really should.

  11. Wiki use in customer service by rokel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worked in customer service as in-game support for an MMO. We had a massive wiki which aided us greatly in helping with player problems. Step by step instructions for solving common problems etc, explanations of how each quest worked and so on. Granted this was all a text interface, allowing multiple 'calls' to be taken at once, with a liberal use of macros. I can't comment on how effective it would be in a one on one voice based call, but it did provide a quick and easy way to find information on nearly anything a customer needed help with.

  12. Really. by igotmybfg · · Score: 1
    Talk shop with the person next to you? At a call center?

    Operator A: Hey man, how do you pass the time here?
    Operator B: Here, smoke this...

    1. Re:Really. by RabidMoose · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've actually seen that used as a way to get fired on purpose at my call center.
      IIRC, it was a Monday, their rent was due Friday, and it wasn't a pay week. Under the state's law, fired employees must recieve their last paycheck within 3 days of being fired.

  13. alan.c.davis@att.net by alancdavis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Long ago and far away I worked for DEC in the UNIX support team. We were spread out all over the world and had the normal complement of call history, system documentation and troubleshooting databases.
    When we started using IRC to share real-time information about callers problems our time-to-close went down significantly and closes-per-day went way up.
    The improvement was significant enough to get the attention of other departments and the IRC usage - along with several bots for integrating the call handling and mail response systems into the IRC channels - became wide-spread in the support group.
    This system survived the DEC/Compaq merger and on into the HP buyout.
    If I were to do the same thing again I'd use a jabber server rather than IRC but the principle is the same.

    1. Re:alan.c.davis@att.net by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Interesting, figure this, if you just need to ask someone who has had the same problem how to fix it, else you read the accompanying doc on how to troubleshoot, it will always be faster to get an answer right now. If you have to read, not every one reads at the same pace, as well, if I were to say this, I am sure I would probably be mostly wrong, but we all listen at the same speed, although
      not necessarily understand what we are hearing....so multiply this by how many problems in a day....
      yes I agree that this model is much more efficient, but also more personable in applying yourself to interact with others. Easy to say to someone to read the manual, however explaining it takes patience, understanding and a knack for helping others learn, its a win win situation

  14. Agreed by MikeS2k · · Score: 1

    I used to do helpdesk with a 1+ mile communte both ways, in unfomfortable cubes with obsolete equipment.
    I'd have been much happier to do my job at home, with my nicer display - infact, I have 2 displays (as per the poll ;) so I could have the DB frontend on one display, and technical forums/the company WIKI on the other.

    The machines we had at the psysical work locatin were P2 300's running NT4, on 14" displays - you could barely google for a fix before the customer had hung up in frustration. (it was a premium rate line too - shocking stuff.)

    The suits can still keep an eye on you by monitoring your calls, so I really can't see why it isn't done.

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    1. Re:Agreed by MikeS2k · · Score: 1

      Well, it seems I mis-read (ok ok, I didn't read) the summary.
      Just use a Wiki and a chat program designed so all users at the business can talk at once - something like an IRC channel, with the managers being ops, and "senior employees" being +voices.

      We had a Wiki at our old place and it worked very well - especially for obscure issues that sometimes came up.
      I still quit, well, because helpdesk is and will always be shit.

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  15. if your employes aren't talking by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    if your employes aren't talking then you've got one hell of a productivity risk just in that.

    Though most call centres I call are dumb and can't answer questions anyway so I doubt your productivity will be much lower than theirs.

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    1. Re:if your employes aren't talking by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You do realize that one reason most techs at call centers come off as dumb is because they're not allowed to solve problems that they know how to solve, or they don't have the tools to solve the problems ("You might break something, now go play with something else like a good little boy") and because they're constantly pushed to handle more calls, right?

      Guess what will get a tech employed by a call center fired, is it A) Not properly helping a user, or B) Repeatedly exceeding the AHT. The answer is, of course, exceeding the AHT repeatedly, they don't care if you get pissed about poor service, they're so desensitized to your anger that all your yelling will accomplish is to trigger an urge within them to fuck you over by doing everything by the book (because it will take you ages to get proper help and no one will give them shit for treating you that way).

      Basically, what you called a productivity risk is exactly what is the problem with call center productivity. It's all about easily quantifiable data, and "calls handled per day" is a lot easier to quantify than "customer satisfaction". Besides, who cares if your employees are bitter and turnover for 1st line techs is over 100% per year? That just means you don't have to give out so many raises (yes, the head HR guy for a previous employer of mine actually said that).

      /Mikael

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    2. Re:if your employes aren't talking by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      Bah, the problem is, some people don't care. I worked in a call center while a college student. I outsmarted, outsold and was well above every performance metric for sometime in different companies. The problem wasn't motivation on my part. It was compensation. I still wanted the great reference. But had I been a FT employee and not had great prospects to stay and move upwards, I would definately have stayed 10% ahead of some of the others.

      And I did work in Tech Support. I had among the highest resolution rates. Got the same bonus and salary increase as everyone else.

      I'd at least like to have gotten a position of higher senority but those were only FT. At least make an effort to reward the Stars. If its a great, big company, it might work out for the best.

    3. Re:if your employes aren't talking by stompertje · · Score: 1

      Customer satisfaction is about as easy to quantify as AHT. We routinely send out surveys to measure customer satisfaction and correlate that information with our productivity metrics and our internal quality monitoring. Yes, high AHT is a problem in call centers, because it costs money, lowering our profit margin. But low customer satisfaction is a bigger problem, because it drivers customers away, effectively reducing our profit margin to somewhere approaching zero.
      I understand there are a lot of not-so-good call centers, but the majority really is no longer just hiring monkeys to read out scripts to calling customers. And agents really are not fired just for failing to meet AHT targets.

  16. Row Well and be Employed by mpapet · · Score: 1

    You've got executive issues.

    using this type of environment could affect the call center metrics average handle time, after call wrap up, etc)

    There is no answer you can give that *improves* the metrics they cite. That's a polite way of rejecting your idea. You are entirely missing the point of a Call center. To answer calls. That does not mean offer help, because that takes too much time. The productivity metric is calls per hour, not satisfied customers/knowledgeable Reps per hour.

    If you want to advance in this organization then figure out a way to tweak the company's productivity metrics to make it look like they are doing more work. Ignore the customer entirely when coming up with schemes. Executive management treats most customers with contempt, so you'll look like you fit right in.

    Chances are excellent the Reps have an informal community anyway.

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    1. Re:Row Well and be Employed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yay! Call center memories. When I was in tech sup, I knew a guy who decided to prove a point. He got his average calls waaaaay up there by telling the customer to "try one little thing" and call him back. This was dial-up internet support, so a lot of times the customer only had one line. His manager eventually said, "OK, I get the point, knock it off" or something along those lines. They had a fantastic relationship, he was a good tech, and it was an employee's market. Not only did he not get fired, he got promoted.

  17. unblock social sites by socsoc · · Score: 1

    If you want your employees to waste time in online communities, you could could just remove the myspace and facebook blocks at the proxy server...

  18. Central Chat by langedb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Over here, instead of a web-board or something like that, management setup a chatroom on our IM server. They then encouraged everybody from front-line tech support up though the developers, sysadmins, engineers, and their managers to join. Attendance is encouraged but not mandatory, and it's been emphasized heavily that people are free to speak their minds about any subject including bashing management without reprisal -- just don't get into a flame-war. What resulted was the room became a mechanism to instantly escalate any issues which the tech support folks couldn't handle as well as a place where you could easily bounce new ideas around to find out how a change would be perceived by the various stakeholders. Our users got a huge win as most problems are now solved while the user is on the phone rather than having to wait while the ticket works itself up/down the hierarchy. The rest of us got a place to blow off steam as well as bounce ideas around people from diverse areas in similiar position levels.

  19. Well... by alexborges · · Score: 1

    Its an exageration to look at an online community as a risk to productivity of the call-center.

    One can understand your concern AND one can understand the management's concern (which is to not loose their job or tell you before hand that if anything goes wrong it will be your fault, or thats what they are trying to say right here, eluding their own responsability to provide tools to make people more productive because they are afraid that using them might or might not reduce productivity: i mean, did they loose their balls in traffic???).

    So, what I am saying here, is that you shouldnt tell them. You should go ahead and start blogging your experiences and then trying to attract others to comment on them and then move on to the community phase, once the approach of knowledge sharing has proven important to the bussiness process.

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  20. Call center online community by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 0

    Why does a call center need a community? Why don't you just call each other? I don't get it.

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  21. Integrate the metrics! by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    A simple way to ensure metrics are not negatively impacted is to integrate them into the system. Have a built in timer that tracks how much time they spend on it. If someone is spending an undue amount of time, automatically alert their manager to look into it.

    Of course the hope is that this will actually lower call times. So in that instance, I would propose a test run with a sample group and see how it impacts their metrics over a period of time and compare to the control group.

    The key thing to communicate to management is that they will at some point need to take a small risk in testing this. But you can try to find research to back you up for how/why these systems can improve metrics. A good way to do so is look for a couple vendors who sell these systems and get them to share their metrics and then just pass those on.

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  22. You Didn't Understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Charter was well received but there were questions from upper management about how using this type of environment could affect the call center metrics (average handle time, after call wrap up, etc)."

    You didn't understand the question. The manager was asking "How will this affect my bonus?"

  23. Call Center Managment 101 by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

    Easy. If the SLAs start to suffer, just increase the frequency of beatings applied to the cattle.

    If THAT doesn't work, move to phase two, tazers.

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  24. Cost/Benefit by Sobrique · · Score: 1
    OK, well if you belive some of the process methodologies out there, the trick is to present to your managers what the 'saving' is by doing your thing.

    You do this by looking at what's _actually_ happening as part of the handling process - how does an out of band call get handled normally? What is the overhead for playing 'hunt the doc' vs. being able to pipe up in an IRC channel 'erm. What's ... and who should deal with it'?

    Productivity is massively increased by wiki-style adaptive documentation, and by passive streamed communications in the form of IM/IRC, because they fit in the gaps in a 'normal day'.

    But ideally you'll pick on one current efficiency, highlight how much time it takes, and how your thing will reduce that. As time = money, it's easy to make 5 minutes per day, x however many employees enough to justify your time.

    Perhaps the documentation revision process? What happens when 'something changes' or someone notices a typo/error in a document - how long does it take to review, and how much is 'lost' by it being inaccurate whilst it is reviewed. Also, how often does it actually change at the moment, and how often _would_ it if it was less of a pain. These are things that a Wiki makes handy.

    A more esoteric example is that of morale, and how that can have such a pivotal effect, but you'll have a hard time getting solid numbers on that. So it's best kept as a general handwavy 'secondary objective', and just keep with the thing you have got some guesstimate numbers for.

  25. Re:Say it can save time by haveing logs of how to by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Many issues have more than one possible fix. Speaking from years of experience in tech support, knowledge bases of fixes are of limited usefulness and are often misused because all they have are cheat-sheets on fixes. That means that unless the tech knows how to tell which fix to use (and only needs the cheat-sheet as a memory aid) they're going to pick one at random and hope for the best. Then, they'll either guess again or escalate the call and let some more senior tech try to clean up the mess.

    Granted, this can still happen (and often does) when the tech has access to other techs for suggestions, but it doesn't have to. If the company had (let's say) a private chat server and one or more chat rooms for techs only, somebody who couldn't tell which of several fixes to try first could ask questions and get back suggestions as to how to narrow the possibilities down. Management might go for this because it would be easy for them to monitor and keep the techs from using it for time wasting. (Just like you they don't have to monitor every call for it to have an effect; just knowing they might be listening in can keep you on your toes.)

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  26. This is what we use: by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    We are not a call center, but we are a "distributed" software engineering company, with offices in different cities.

    We use a combination of Campfire (37 Signals) for group chat, and an IM application such as iChat, Adium, Trillian, or Gaim for private one-to-one chatter. (Many IM programs will interoperate these days, but it is usually best if you can get most people on the same software. For example, iChat with the Chax plugin will talk to people with Jabber, AIM, or ICQ IM accounts, but not MSN.)

    This works very well. I communicate regularly with people in other cities with this setup more than I ever communicated with the person in the next cubicle, at that other company I used to work for.

  27. Second life? by nizo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As an added bonus, you get to learn which of your co-workers is a furry.

  28. When I worked Tech Support... by justdaven · · Score: 1

    I found that we all had great input into fixing common problems that we ran into, which never made it into the documentation that was supplied by the company. (I worked for a contract company that handled support for a large computer manufacturer) We would go to each other for input. Folks from other call centers did not have access to us or we to them, and it would have made a better pool of knowledge, and made resolution time quicker. I think this is a good idea you have. Good luck with it!

  29. Convergys employee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those who are employed by Convergys can stop by www.csdconline.com (aka ConvergysSucks.com)

    It's gotten a bit quiet there recently, and they'd be more then willing to have new people drop in, whether Con employees or not. Good call-centre horror stories are always welcome.

  30. Chat rooms in contact centre - manager perspective by michaelasi · · Score: 3, Informative

    I managed a small technical support contact centre of 80 full-time and part-time agents. About half of the agents also worked from home, like your situation. When we we trialed the ability of agents to work from home we identified the need to keep the agents connected. We used MSN Messenger for a while but soon recognized that this wouldn't work long term. We implemented and IRC chat server and found this fit our needs. When we were implementing this, I admit that I had the same questions as your management staff had. The results were surprising and very positive from a management point of view: 1. Our average handle time went down 15 seconds 2. Our productivity (calls handled, time on phone) went up 10% 3. We were able to keep key employees even when they moved out of our employement area 4. Improved the first call resolution rate by 5% I also believe this was a factor in our ability to have a low employee turn over of 8% in the contact centre. Later we were able to leverage the technology to improve communication between the contact centre and other groups in the company. Announcements regarding current operations situations could be quickly conveyed to the entire team reducing the trouble shooting time during an system outage and improving communication so efforts were not duplicated. Hope this helps and good luck.

  31. May I suggest: +5, Informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a wiki.

    P.S.: Dear John McSame: I double dare.

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  32. If Anything... by maz2331 · · Score: 1

    I'd expect that after a short period of time getting the system running, you'd see an improvement in the metrics. Help-desk support productivity is strongly enhanced by rapid access to answers - either in a knowledge base or via an interactive chat. Hopefully your management isn't overly guided by day-to-day metrics and can occasionally think more strategically.

    Not everyone knows all the questions to all the answers, but over any decent-sized operation SOMEBODY will. The idea is to leverage that "institutional knowledge" against customer questions, each of which has the potential to add to that knowledge base.

    The biggest drawback is keeping the information organized for easy retrieval - ie: the most commonly-encountered questions and answers on top, good search capability, etc.

    Also, create a metric showing who is most effectively posting to the knowledgebase and how well it is impacting the other metrics (ie: call volume, time, etc). One or two people who are "experts" that post answers that strongly improve other employees' productivity may not have that contribution reflected in "their numbers" and appear to be inefficient, whereas their real impact on the company is overwhelmingly positive, and their loss would greatly harm the company.

  33. Just like any other job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a large company with many call centers and as far as online community these are kind of out there already. Some of our groups use IRC channels to converse and get help, while others have IM at thier disposal.

    There also are many message boards out there for people who work from home taking calls (workplacelikehome.com). I don't see this being too different. People use this to chat, vent, and let others know what's going on. When working from home, you really have to manage yourself. There is time between calls where you can check this, but when it comes down to it, if your statistics are not in line with others, management will let you know. When working from home, you are not totally seperated from the company you are working for. They can monitor call times, when you log in/out, wrap up time, etc. It's like any other job, sometimes you have time to talk, other times you need to focus on what you are doing. And if you spend more time socializing than working... well the same thing happens as it would anywhere else.

  34. Speaking from experience... by ThisIsAnonymous · · Score: 2, Informative

    I worked in a call center for over 3 years. I started on the phones (1.5 years), moved to Quality Assurance (1 year) and then moved to the IT team as a developer (1 year). I hope I can provide some insight.

    The call center that I worked at had something similar to what you are asking for. We had a central portal with integrated messaging, suggestions, forums etc. Each of the representatives logged into this portal when they started their shift. The portal application was designed so that any incoming call would take precedence over what the agent was doing -- in other words, if the agent was browsing one of the community forums or if they were sending a private message etc., an incoming call would automatically execute the application for that call and bring the call application into the foreground.

    This is the approach that we used. Maybe this could help.

  35. I have a little experience by kungfool · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having spent eight years designing call center applications, I can tell you the one metric you'll want to point your bosses at is the potential to increase first level call resolution. You should balance any increase in call handling time with the potential for greatly reduced call escalation. The key to this is involving the second and third level escalation points in your wiki.

  36. Back in the day... by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I worked at the Egghead call center in Washington back in, I think, 1996-ish, we tried this out. It was a rough place to work at the time. The employees were miserable, management was ineffective and, at the executive level, absntee. Sales hated marketing, marketing hated tech, and everyone hated the executive team.

    We used an o-o-old version of Notes (on our 16-20Mhz Macs with 1MB RAM and a RAM doubler, 2MB if you were buddies with the tech team)...our "database integrity" guys, who researched products and played games all day, came up with the idea of posting a "product of the day" blog. It worked great, and there was good discussion; management let it blossom. Then someone in the call center started posting general questions, insight, complaints, etc, and that became more popular than the product blogs. It became a carthartic thing; people would hate on the company and customers on the company-wide Notes databases. Management, of course, shut it down, which drove morale even lower. Soon, someone set up a rogue database, and the whole thing continued, albeit without managment knowing, and REALLY started ripping on the company. Four months later, which the whole company was shut down and sold to Surplus Direct (which was later bought by Amazon), and nobody was all that surprised.

    So, I guess the point is: it can work, but figure out in advance what you want from it, and decide before implementation how far you'll let your users take it, or you run the risk of it blowing up in your face. You'll lose some productivity, but that's going to happen anyway, either at the water cooler or on Slashdot.

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  37. Second Life by vlm · · Score: 0

    This community environment would be intended to simulate being able to talk shop with the person next to you, along with the lunchroom and water cooler.

    A bar in Second Life(tm)(c)? Finally a "real" use for second life?

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  38. I would have loved it, BUT.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One side note about the whole idea. Depending on your work - and if you have tiers of support, someone posting a How-to fix something that goes against policy would need to be tracked. ie; How to fix Y is Tier 3's Job, but gets posted at Tier 1's level may cause a stir. Then you have things like unofficial fixes, that may not work all the time. It may become your job to keep on top of the updates, on top of everything else you do.

  39. Wrong thinking by drachenstern · · Score: 1

    The thing is that you can immediately use the forum to find an answer by posting to lots of people at once. If you can toss it up where 30 eyes can look at it, you may get a lot better response than just looking for keywords in the db...

    But I think they're right, it's going to devolve into a bit of a productivity block...

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  40. Smokers are better informed ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My girlfriend worked as a graphics artist at a medium sized advertising agency (that got gobbled up by Ogilvy), that did a lot of Web stuff. She smokes, and regularly met people from other departments and exchanged ideas and gossip about "what was coming next." The higher management realized that this had positive benefits. Mangers in the advertising business are not necessarily very "intelligent", but they are very "smart" or "sharp", in the "sly" sense of the words. One manager was giving a briefing about a new project to a new team, and noticed that the smokers already knew all the details.

    They floated around ideas about how to emulate the "Smokers' Meetings" for non-smokers, but never found a model that would work for non-smokers.

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    1. Re:Smokers are better informed ... by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      It's called a coffee break. Or a cake break. Minimize management's involvement so that people can and will speak freely. There is nothing wrong with corporate sponsoring some social time for employees. The company will profit in the long-term.

    2. Re:Smokers are better informed ... by hclewk · · Score: 1

      "You ain't sly are ya? 'Cause I got my boys..."

  41. Best Buy Blueshirts by kamikyo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whatever you think of Best Buy, they have a successful internal community in Blueshirtnation.com. A google search turns up quite a lot of industry praise on those guys. It was even written up the Groundswell book by Forrester.

    If you want your bosses to buy, make sure you give them plenty of examples of other companies being successful at it.

    For me, the biggest business benefit to the call center is knowledge sharing, but you have to be careful because communities need a critical mass in members to be successful (or a highly dedicated internal resource building content and encouraging participation). Only the biggest call centers could make it self-sustaining. However, another idea might be to launch a peer-to-peer support community and invite your customers in. You can have a private area for employees, but have a larger area where customers can ask support questions. And unlike email, once a question is answered, everyone can use it. Dell, Lenovo, Juniper, Linksys, AT&T, Blackberry all have successful support forums.

    On IRC, I use it at work but my frustration is that it has no real history - I've seen the same questions come up time and again. On a forum you can search and find past discussions.

    Disclosure: I work for Lithium Technologies , an online community provider.

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  43. productivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #1 unless paid on results or activity while going through a strct QA process home working unproductive.

    #2 IRC is useful for general background chatter - but has to be controlled.

  44. It depends ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... on what management values.

    In a past career at a large company, we had an extensive Usenet system running within the corporate intranet. It was handy for exchanging best practices among engineers and other employees, finding hidden experts on esoteric topics that then could be consulted within the 'standard' company channels. It was also a great replacement for the 'office water cooler' that extended throughout a company with facilities across the company. Smart managers would lurk on the general newsgroups and pick up hints about the morale of the workforce much more effectively than the obligatory annual employee survey.

    The downside (from management's point of view) was that it was a very effective way to bypass management control of the official communications networks. One PHB that tried to run things by his own rules could be found out rather effectively when his employees started comparing notes with others. As the company started outsourcing more and more of its technical work, the value added by the idea interchange was deemed not to be worth the loss of control over the culture. Eventually, the users were pressured into staying off the system. That move backfired. The reaction was to take the same discussions to an external system (the Usenet implementation had been secured within the company intranet). If one knows where to look, even as a non-employee (which I am now), one can still engage in interesting discussions about the goings-on at the company.

    From the point of view of a call center, there may be limited technical utility in such a forum. But people will still engage in social interaction and the time wasted in sneaking off to the bathroom or a smoke break will still be wasted. At least an on-line system will keep them at their desks.

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  45. 2 cents... by TigerDawn · · Score: 1

    Anyone that is working at home, and is a productivity risk, is wasting time elsewhere anyways.

    If you loose anything in AHT, it should provide enough of a balance to cost ratio to enhance training. If there is a training budget (big if), that is where it should be allocated.

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  46. Online Community for a Call Center? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I recommend setting up a Team Room to house all kinds of different information (schedules, colleague home phone numbers, pager information, etc). You can also house important documents in this style of environment that can be updated in real-time (word documents, excel spreadsheets, etc). It's also a great place to draw the line in separation of storing sensitive client information (recommended for the knowledge base), and storing the information required for YOUR company (store this information in the team room).

    Lotus Notes has this type of functionality in it, and many, many high-end call center's user this type of approach to keeping people connected (using a team-room in conjunction with a knowledge base).

    As for keeping in communication with your colleagues in real-time, I recommend another Lotus solution; SameTime. It is IBM's solution for corporate instant messaging; it's very, very secure. Another professional alternative would be Microsoft's Office Communications Server. Additionally, you could go for free and use Jabber.

  47. The Goal by schlick · · Score: 1

    "Charter was well received but there were questions from upper management about how using this type of environment could affect the call center metrics (average handle time, after call wrap up, etc)."

    I recently read (well listened to the audio book) The Goal by Eliyahu M. Goldratt. Very interesting. It pointed out that for the longest time American factories were using the wrong metrics to measure productivity. The were confused by the fact that their measurements were telling them that their efficiency was good and improving but their productivity was not improving or even getting worse. How long will it take before the PHBs realize that things like "average handle time" don't measure the basic metric of a call center i.e. did the customer get properly and efficiently serviced?

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  48. 33% increase by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

    Actually, he increased productivity by 33%. Before he joined, each employee's average productivity was 33% of the total, so his joining changed it to 133% of the previous total. The next employee will only increase it by 25%.

  49. Compare notes, then formally record things by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

    I'm involved in open communities where discussions are used to ask about difficulties, suggest tests and solutions, and point out oddities. Sometimes these discussions identify issues in enough detail that code and/or documentation changes are made. Without the discussion, the knowledge base doesn't get those improvements.

  50. Productivity risks?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Half of your call center works from home, and management's concerned about how a Wiki is going to negatively affect productivity?

    I think you should be able to wing your way through this one pretty simply. If nothing else, you can simply point out that your solution won't incorporate streaming video of the latest Oprah ...

  51. Downtime should be built in by Rastl · · Score: 1

    Back in the day when I was running a call center I would schedule my people for PIE (phone in ear) time for 80% of their day, max. The other 20% was spent training, updating, researching, whatever. But they had 20% of their day when they didn't have to answer the phones.

    From what I hear now that's one of those distant memories. Maybe that's why I didn't have a very high turnover and most of that was promotions within the company.

    If the company can't see the value in a collaborative environment then there's a deeper issue at hand. If they can't see the value in a collaborative environment just for their call center then it's time to move on to another company that does see the value. Not giving productivity tools means they don't value anything besides your call volume.

    The old adage "You get what you measure" means just that. If they only care about number of calls and time on the phone then that's what their employees are going to do. Take calls and get them off the line quickly. Not a recipe for quality service or for keeping call center employees.

    1. Re:Downtime should be built in by lamapper · · Score: 1

      ...From what I hear now that's one of those distant memories. Maybe that's why I didn't have a very high turnover and most of that was promotions within the company. ...

      Sounds to me you were a good manager that put their people first.

      Early in my career I managed the labs (we had labs all over campus in different departments, with two of the labs being 24 / 7) for students, faculty and staff in a University environment while I was considering going for a Masters...wish I had now. Might still one day.

      I let my student lab assistants do pretty much whatever they wanted as long as they put it down and helped the users when required. They always did. Most did homework, computer programming especially, but I remember games of Diplomacy, Chess and Risk as well as Spades being paid from time to time.

      I visited every lab at least once per day if not more often, spent time making sure my employees had the tools they needed, even helping users as needed. I never asked anyone to do anything that I would not do myself. I never had complaints from users, though I did have complaints from one coworker who was of the typical mindset that nothing good could come from learning new things, playing a game, any downtime for any reason. He seemed to have very little trust in others and always assumed that others were taking advantage. He even tried to berate me for smiling too much, how pathetic is that.

      He did not even want the student assistants doing their own homework on the labs time, even when they were not assisting users. Considering the university paid minimum wage and everyone could get $2 - $4 more per hour by working in a nearby research center, that was a big mistake on his part.

      When I left, within a year, I stopped back by to say Hi, only one student assistant was left. My turnover rate was high (due to min wage), but not that high. Seems many companies only pay lip service to turn over. I would imagine in the call center industry where the company is only willing to pay a very low and very narrow pay range that they factor turnover into their business model. Keeps the pay rates down plain and simple. IBM determined years ago that they could save around $50 per hour in benefits and more by outsourcing, i.e. using consultants. I would expect the same to be true for the call center industry where utilizing home workers reduces not just their hourly overhead, but also their per desktop costs as well. That would explain where a call center might pay an employee at their location $10 - $12 per hour, but someone working from home $25 - $30 per hour. What are the typical call center rates these days?

      When I left that coworker took over and proceeded to implement more restrictive policies (it was a university environment for goodness sakes) and thus drove them all away, except one. In one of the largest labs they even had their own closed door (windows all around) so they could see out and users could see in. The manager who replaced me filled it full of computers and printers and made it a storage room (covered the windows with printouts). The one student assistant that was left told me that he would not let them do anything and tried to over-control everything. Thus everyone left, except this guy that was close to finishing his degree that term and already had a job lined up. He said most of the student assistants left the next semester because of the poor manager.

      The other 20% was spent training, updating, researching, whatever. But they had 20% of their day when they didn't have to answer the phones.

      I agree with you, downtime is very necessary and is very constructive, granted no one I know plays games to excess at work. And if my direct reports are getting their work done, often doing extra, why not allow them to have some down time to learn new tools, new skills and over time become more valuable to the company. Most manage

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  52. Free voluntary online call center for OSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about creating a free voluntary online call center community for OSS software?

    People could use existing infrastructure: internet, sip phones, etc., and some call distributing system for the incoming help calls, which would take care of language spoken and competences.

  53. makeing the sale by aapezzuto · · Score: 1

    having better relationships within the company is one way that people can find fulfillment from their jobs. This could increase retention, decrease sick time, and in turn decrease the amount of new person training required for the company. This will also likely act as a mentoring program for less trained employees so that they will receive additional skills. The end result, happier more productive workers... at VERY LITTLE COST!

  54. Re:Say it can save time by haveing logs of how to by Fred_A · · Score: 1

    That means that unless the tech knows how to tell which fix to use (and only needs the cheat-sheet as a memory aid) they're going to pick one at random and hope for the best. Then, they'll either guess again or escalate the call and let some more senior tech try to clean up the mess.

    Sounds like pretty much every tech support I've ever dealt with. I thought they all worked like that.

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  55. Big Corp by SirusTV · · Score: 0

    I worked in a call center for Cingular a bit before, and after SBC bought AT&T and had all their companies name changed to AT&T subsidiaries. I started as a regular rep, and moved up to teir 2 tech support within a year (only I don't get a raise like I'm supposed to because they are evil money grubbing bastards). I was pretty disappointed with "tools", as they called them, or software as most of them were now web based, but none of them talked to each other. We launch a web based notation system that launches a billing system, that launches a web based switch control program, and a separate web based map system for locating tower issues, and a separate web based program for checking local routing numbers, and another web based program for changing them. In between calls I programmed a sort of CMS in html and javascript in notepad that gave us easy access to all of our related programs, and I was working on linking the local routing number programs to the first search for their account so you dont have to enter information twice, and a ajax manager to fill out our order forms that automatically looked up correct skew if they pick the maker, model, color. because you would not believe how many times little jimmy got sent a pink razr because it's too hard for people to read the tiny print in the huge table. Management pretty much disapproved the whole way through because they didn't think I could stay focused on my calls doing that, but I had more trouble with remembering where I was in code then starting a conversation with an internal employee over the phone. Big corporations resist change, and often only later catch on when it's too late.

  56. Re:Say it can save time by haveing logs of how to by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

    Say it can save time by having logs of how to fix stuff vs having to google the same stuff over and over.

    But then your logs will get so big that you'll have to buy a google search engine to search through all your logs.

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  57. Focus on other metrics... by mrboyd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Call center is productivity oriented, probably more so than any other activities, and most call center manager can't see further away than AHT (average handling time) and conversion rate/h. It is akin to chain factory work. You have agent working from home, so I assume that they are using either their own pc for the CTI application or a company provided thin client (citrix maybe?).
    In any case, they are home, and unless you have installed tracking software and forces them to leave their webcam turned on how do you know what they are doing? Reading a book, watching tv, breast feeding the little one, etc. I guess you don't and rely on your production report to award incentive to your agents and that so far it worked. Your company has already relinquished a lot of control to shave on the expense of renting and furnishing a hangar in suburbia so another forum is not going to change much on your production ratio issue.

    Point 1: Some of them are probably already browsing other website and chatting with their friends online giving them an opportunity to do it in an environment controlled by the company can only be a benefit. They'll spend more time focused on their work and the company.

    Point 2: Use other metrics to convince upper mgt, what is your current agent turnover? Can you reduce it by fostering a sense of community into your work-alone-at-home-for-a-soulless-company employees? By how much? What is the cost of training a new one?

    Point 3: Are you an inbound CC (where quality matters) or are you selling predatory housing loans and credit card (where volume matters)? Can a "community" effect produce an across the board effect of raising the quality of your services without cost. I.E do you expect your agent to learn trick of the trade from one another which will increase either their quality of services or their conversion rate?

    Point 4: Most agents don't like their job so expect a lot of ranting on your forum. Don't forget to clarify the posting policy with management and your agents or you'll be in trouble when one of them gets fired for complaining too loudly on the forum and sinks everyone else moral, shoot the turnover sky high and the productivity way low.

    I have never heard of a company monitoring the coffee room with camera and mics to hear the dirty jokes made on management so I really believe you should lobby for some partial anonymity. I let you figure out how to implement the "partial" part. And yes you should check with the lawyers... :)

  58. Change the focus from AHT by jmiyaku · · Score: 1

    Rather than focus on AHT, focus on the fact that the wiki and the agent cooperation will improve the agent's ability to solve the calls they get. This improves First Call Resolution, which is a better KPI than AHT. Improving FCR from 70% to 85% will drop your overall call volumes by about 10%, with no noticeable increase in AHT.

  59. Re:Chat rooms in contact centre - manager perspect by lamapper · · Score: 1
    I once looked into providing support as additional income from home while I attempted to get my own hosting company off the ground. The only reason I did not go for it, even given the low pay, was the few companies I contacted required a separate telephone line. That was a deal breaker for me.

    My question to you, is given the capabilities to setup VPNs via high speed access, why do such companies still require a separate hardwired telephone line before they will work with you?

    I understand the need for metrics, but also know that these metrics can be captured and sent over the same hi speed pipe that I am using (DSL or Cable or Fiber - in my dreams).

    DD-WRT and the ability to band shape traffic should remove most if not all objctions...

    FYI, When I was a System Admin for a telco, they only had a call center support of about 50 desktops, after a merger, that number climbed into the thousands however I had already left the company for a better opportunity. The few times I provided support for the call center, they did not seem very happy and it was true that the smokers (friends though I did not smoke) did know were all the bodies were buried.

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  60. alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, you could always try the daily circle jerk.. ..just sayin'

  61. Contact center stuff online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you name any good websites that specialize in contact center management?

  62. They will do it anyways. by lordsid · · Score: 1

    The employees will invariably end up using whatever they want to use to communicate. It's just a matter of whether its sanctioned or not. Might as well sanction it because you can the set the policy on use and tie it to the employees evaluation. As for effect on call times when I've used resources like this before while answering the phone it made it much easier for me to find resources and help the customer at hand. A well setup wiki could easily be used to do any number of linear troubleshooting operations. You setup each page to lead to the next step and branch where needed. I think the main time a forum would be used would be during non-call times which happen typically at least once a day for an extended period of time. This of course all depends on the call center. Instant messaging is another wonderful non-intrusive form of communication. Its great for simple one-way communication like leaving a quick note for a supervisor or in requesting help in solving a problem. It also allows the user to multi-task without interrupting either party. All in all I would say the more options you give your employees the easier it is see which will work out naturally. Some people can be very one track minded when it comes to the tools that they use.

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  63. Here's a Few Suggestions, not all open source. by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am interpreting the O.P.'s information request as a request for endorsements for a product suitable for building an online community for a call center and not a request for an already active online community for a call center. I am also assuming that the call center is for an ISV. Here are a few recommendations that are my favorites.

    • My favorite open source product for this sort of thing is GForge. It's got lots of call center friendly features and is also a hit with the coders.
    • The full featured yet non-open source version of GForge is SFEE.
    • Please don't mod me down, post nasty replies, or take away my karma points but may I feebly and humbly suggest my own product Code Roller? It's not open source yet but it is free (as in beer). Code Roller is not currently a perfect fit for call centers but has lots of great features that are conducive to managing the full life cycle for software development.
  64. LiveOps Workspace by rossdakin · · Score: 1

    A company called LiveOps, inc. has done this on a large scale with a project called Workspace (http://workspace.liveops.com), which is a ning implementation.

    It's targeted at work-from-home agents (agents who work in a distributed call center), but the same idea could be applied to your traditional "brick and mortar" call center.

  65. You went in the wrong direction by PermanentMarker · · Score: 1

    What management told you was verry short sighted. Not realy unusual for those who want fast money and then jump out of the company. You should have asked them if the organisation rather leans on the technoloogy achievments of indivuduals. Or if they would rather see that the communication would be improved and so the combined know how. By something as a simple lowcost communication method. Well maybe you go all to second life, learn a bit about eachother, and get to know each better. Especialy higher management has some (strange) urge to arange meetings with people face to face. Technicaly my own desicions ar far more important to keep bussines working then such talks. However i can talk with many people on chat or on phone, i have no need for face to face contact, just to solve, and to make profit out if it. In fact i noted that talking in chat, or in a vitual world also does work more efficient, since the lange is shorter, you dont have to ask "take a seat", "how was the traffic ride", "did you stay long in the traffic jam", "maybe you like som cofee first then we can talk", "do you feel allright?", etc etc etc. Chat is just like "DNS error 0xx55BH any ideas?" no introduction, no traffic jam, just a thanks afterwards.

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  66. Hmm. by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    I watch this article with curiosity.

    From experience, setting up a forum for the call-center (well, the company in general, mostly call-center employees) quickly degenerates into whining about everything, and pointless posts. It can very quickly lead to employee uprisings and things like that.

  67. Set up an IRC server by Derwood5555 · · Score: 1

    Have someone set up a small PC in their cube that runs an IRC server on Linux or BSD of some flavor.
    over half of my team telecommutes, and we have used IRC as an effective communication tool for a very long time.

  68. Re:Chat rooms in contact centre - manager perspect by michaelasi · · Score: 1

    I don't know about other companies, but I didn't require my staff to have a separate phone line. They were required to have a high speed internet connect, a VPN connection to the office and VoIP software on their computer or a separate unit. We didn't like having separate phone lines as there could be a glitch in the calling and they would end up in the personal voice mail of the persons home instead of being handled properly (this happened to one of the OPS team members).

    That being said, each company will be different and have their own reasons for their rules.

    All the metrics were captured through our phone switch, ticketing system, and survey system. So everyone knew what they were being measured on.

  69. "Later we were able to leverage the technology" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    "Later we were able to leverage the technology"

    Dude, you just lost me there.