I agree with you in this regard, they should never have tried to merge the NT with the 9x. They are meant to be used and maintained by two different groups of people. The NT by corps who have guys like us who know the diff between a PU and an Admin, and who know how to spot the PUs and give em that status, and then the 9x crowd just wants to play games on their boxen
For the record, since there may be other people browsing that may not realize, but you CAN turn off those annoying limited account/admin account options and go back to the NT style of things by using the administrative toolkit in the control panel. But then we get back into the fact that XP is a 9x shell on NT with the 9x simplifications, which is what most people need.
I really hope that vista gets it right and says
It would appear that you are attempting to install a program. Did you really intend to a) add information to the registry b) run an install file c) install XYZ program?
if so, please complete this captcha response or otherwise scan your computer now for a virus infestation
and then we would all just be limited to spyware installations for the most part, since people can be trained to not answer yes if they didn't want to install something.
Now for a simple rebuttal to this comment:
The one thing I never understood with the XP user system. Why didn't they just create a folder for legacy apps and gaive everyone full access to that part of the system. At the very least then you can seperate the apps that do things correctly from the need full write access apps.
Why don't game designers et al design programs correctly so that they don't install to the "c:\program files" directory. That dir should be utilized by approved installs, the individual users should have a "My Programs" directory that they should not delete files out of, where each program stores its files in a different branch of that dir, and then the game should be smart enough to also store it's saves and other files in a different location, not under "My Programs" or "C:\Program Files". why do all games want to save to "C:\program files\my program dir\my user files\my saved games\savegame.sav" That's just sloppy programming to me. Would a *nix programmer ignore the SET variables? I mean, granted, you don't have to abort save because there is no HOME_DIR or what have you SET VAR, but if there is one there, wouldn't you use it first to suggest a save location, since that's what it's there for?
And why do all programs on windows have to utilize controls which require registry additions? I can understand Blizzard doing that, since they may have common controls accross all of their games, but I haven't seen it, so what settings do they need to save in the registry? Are you really that likely to double click on a save game to start the program?
.us can also be used for many other purposes, including, IIRC w/o looking it up, that states utilize something similar to XX.us much the same as UK companies utilize co.uk instead of.com
the reason why the govt gets to use.gov is because the us controls the internet, of course. especially since we had a VP who created it one night in his basement with a jar of pb and some old clothesline [/sarcasm]
What I want to know is, why don't they have these with a reader drive built in?
With the stackable function, with the auto-eject on cue function, with a multiple o/s capable interface?
I mean, is this too much to ask? If I don't find one of these in the next three years (that is, before I get through school and know "all there is to make one for myself") I will make and market something like this for around $80-100 because, as admins, wouldn't it be easier to have some of these that you could lock away that people couldn't make off with so you could have all the time fingertip access of media without risk of damage?
And for AUDIOPHILES: Or, and this is what is needed, so you could have all of your CD's at fingertip access without having to have multiple 200 disc players, if you could just have a stack of these connected to your reciever, with either a sort of jukebox style disc changer, or just feed them all together, ala DJ or karaoke whatever could blend songs together.
Where I work (major NA computer manufacturer, has it's own proprietary chip w/ Intel, you know who) the "Add user to domain" screen that managers use to add new employees has all the options available. I mean everything. If you can think of a setting in a dialog box off of "control panel" or "administrative [options/toolbox/**]" then they have it on that webpage. And all kinds of other stuff too. It's quite thorough. Also, the manager cannot give out more permissions than they have, so that limits some things right off. Plus, depending on the dept, certain options are [un]checked by default. So instead of: 1. Create User 1a. User Name 1b. User Icon... 73z. Whatever
The IT guys have setup a process that goes like this 1. Select employees name and if they want a particular login enter it now and wait for the email address and initial login password to be emailed to you so you can print the page and give it to them to destroy as soon as they login because they will automatically be added to the groups that your department belongs to and you should select their extra classifactions below if HR didn't already add those into the database that the script pulls certain information from 2..... 3. Profit ***
So granted, yeah, they haven't exactly released said configuration script or put it out on the market, but hey, it only works with their servers on their domains, etc. It's all custom. Point is, you can do something similar for yourself if you are adding a lot of users. It should be built into Windows Server on the CLI level, I thought, to some extent, not discounting all of the options that should be set. Yeah, they've got PhD's in programming and Windows who know all this stuff by rote and can build these option type pages and who have the time and are getting paid for it, but . . .
Where was I going with this. You get the idea. It's there. So *nix does this from the get go on the CLI. Not all the options, you know, and so does MS.
** whatever the name of that folder is since I'm on a unix box and won't go look it up *** Okay, so they're not making too much money right now for profit, but at least they're not fielding thousands of manager requests on why their employees can't access folder XYZ on server CBA. You get the idea (I know you do, because you made it this far)
and then we'll all have to deal with jackass gamers instead of jackass gurus.
[sarcasm on]yeah, 'cos that's soooo much better[sarcasm off]
so with that in mind, ATI/nVidia/whomever, keep waiting, or at least release the drivers but "whomever" should keep their games on windows and proprietary consoles for now
I don't see why not, if an equivalent number of people stop buying in stores and start buying online. online sales, they have to pay for servers-hardware and netconnections (limited number serves an almost unlimited number of client requests), and they have to pay for programming the servers - mostly negligible if a good system is in place, and they have to pay the artists (and if they can continue to pay them less than $.30 a song ('cos don't they already do this, like 16% or something), they PROFIT
or to put it in/. terms 1.have servers 2.pay less than 1/3 total cost to artists 3.PROFIT
See, we've been adding too many steps all this time, there is no: N....
and my point being, they aren't paying for mass production of CD's, distribution of said CDs, and retailer deals (ie best buy). that's money in their pocket. it's a well known fact that for most small household purchases, such as CD's and milk, __at least__ $1-2 goes towards packaging and shipment.
yeah I remember jon katz of course news for nerds, it IS the motto, after all
and finally
your ___wife___ as a 5 digit/. id (congrats, you're a nerd with a nerdy wife), and you don't? and my/. id is lower than yours? so what does that say about __your__ "geek"
Yeah, that was: mature well thought out well communicated thoughtful defining - how exactly is anyone's comment on/. automatically null and void (except for the a/c's sometimes) just because the market fluctuates? an article on h/w could be posted on fri night and still be able to have comments posted on mon morn and the market could have changed over the w/e
that's like your buddy saying that he built something with a part that he got on sale and you say it's crap because you couldn't get the same part on sale yourself.
Like I said, real mature, and very nicely well thought out
no, you're right. But honestly, they are probably just going for the future curve bit, where you spend a coupla bucks more now, and then don't have to worry about it in the future, because, ya know, building these things is so danged difficult that most folks that build one (or read THW for that matter) won't remember how to change simple components in the future, so might as well save time and "money" by installing it now
I agree with the thought that they forgot this was a gaming rig. I mean, how many bleading edge gamers __need__ raid anything? SLI maybe, but raid???
a) my understanding is that big iron is going the way of the dodo and the new platform is blade architecture, which is where HP is trying to guide I2, and away from superdome, etc
b) I2 is billed as a serious number cruncher, not anything else. I say this, because I haven't seen em billed as such, but any new info is always welcome to help me see the bigger picture.
Just curious how long ago this was? there is a bootable "linux" version that runs a java style interface (boot is about 20 seconds, tops, and that counts loading the gui) that updates everything on the system to the latest as what's included on the cd-rom. why would you need to update beyond the cdrom, if you couldn't wait that three day period to order the cdrom from hp?
So you're blaming HP for Intel's problems? They couldn't get the chipset to work right, and it's still having fits at the proto level. However, as a line tech in Houston (you do the math), we are seeing sweet numbers on these products, especially when they're not designed for SLI or other consumer oriented applications. The numbers these things crunch are phenominal.
So you can assume that I2 is still too far away and that it's not going to do any good. I tell you now, that when the product line launches in a few months (okay, a little optimistic, but not too far off), you'll all see. Once again, as a factory tech in Houston, they are smoking!
Now, if you want to gripe about 510s, how about only having 2 DIMM slots instead of 4?;)
Okay, since when has any board manufacturer designed and released a board that all geeks were happy with? I believe this example to be a cost issue, but I agree with you. -d
you would actually meet him at the agreed location? why not just sit somewhere and snipe him and then laugh your ass off while he came looking for you?
This actually sounds like the most cogent statement on this thread. Oh for mod points.
Furthermore, do you believe that Google is going to help in backing the KERNEL, or do you think they will stick more with INTERFACE oriented designs/help with (F)OSS?
Typewriting or Correspondence teachers (choose appropriate course for your school) might be able to confirm for you that 1.25" is considered the 'correct' size of a margin, and that you should never encroach within that space. I, otoh, don't know the reason for this, other than a "Mrs. Manners" explanation.
If so, then why not hack the reg to give the file extensions the behaviors that you want them to perform? This is something that the registry was intended to do from the beginning (at least since the release of 95), and it is one of the few times that I will recommend that people freely edit the registry, versus using the gui interface that MS has provided, because the gui is a little more clunky than editing the tree directly. If you need direction on how to add this, let me know and I will give you the quick and dirty.
As far as other featureset requests, have you looked to see if someone else has already added that request to the OOo request list? Do you know exactly what sort of features you are having to do without? I notice that a fellow poster just above me has mentioned the lack of certain outline features that MS Word has, however, the thing is that Word didn't have those features back in version 6. If they did, I never knew about those sort of features until around office2k, but then I also never attempted to write a full scale manuscript in ver's 6 or less.
The thing is, without someone defining the sort of behavior that is needed, there can be no spec written. Without a spec, it's rather difficult to write the code to perform the function. So I ask again, what featureset are you looking for that is lacking that is not an environmental issue (such as.pps doesn't open in show or whatever) and that maybe we on slashdot can identify as either something which it does but which you were not aware of or that maybe we here can help write up a spec so someone more intimate with that part of OOo can help to code in cleanly?
Hopefully this helps, else, I don't get what the deal is I guess.
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For the record, since there may be other people browsing that may not realize, but you CAN turn off those annoying limited account/admin account options and go back to the NT style of things by using the administrative toolkit in the control panel. But then we get back into the fact that XP is a 9x shell on NT with the 9x simplifications, which is what most people need.
I really hope that vista gets it right and says and then we would all just be limited to spyware installations for the most part, since people can be trained to not answer yes if they didn't want to install something.
Now for a simple rebuttal to this comment:Why don't game designers et al design programs correctly so that they don't install to the "c:\program files" directory. That dir should be utilized by approved installs, the individual users should have a "My Programs" directory that they should not delete files out of, where each program stores its files in a different branch of that dir, and then the game should be smart enough to also store it's saves and other files in a different location, not under "My Programs" or "C:\Program Files". why do all games want to save to "C:\program files\my program dir\my user files\my saved games\savegame.sav" That's just sloppy programming to me. Would a *nix programmer ignore the SET variables? I mean, granted, you don't have to abort save because there is no HOME_DIR or what have you SET VAR, but if there is one there, wouldn't you use it first to suggest a save location, since that's what it's there for?
And why do all programs on windows have to utilize controls which require registry additions? I can understand Blizzard doing that, since they may have common controls accross all of their games, but I haven't seen it, so what settings do they need to save in the registry? Are you really that likely to double click on a save game to start the program?
you're not supposed to tell anyone about that unt*23(*FAN3&&#(*@#$*(ADF(* $#*@#
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.us can also be used for many other purposes, including, IIRC w/o looking it up, that states utilize something similar to XX.us much the same as UK companies utilize co.uk instead of .com
.gov is because the us controls the internet, of course. especially since we had a VP who created it one night in his basement with a jar of pb and some old clothesline [/sarcasm]
the reason why the govt gets to use
So what did it say? What the AC replied to your comment?
As regards the first one you referenced at :l s/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=548251&sku=B600-2004&CMP= EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEBNPR226
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtoo
What I want to know is, why don't they have these with a reader drive built in?
With the stackable function, with the auto-eject on cue function, with a multiple o/s capable interface?
I mean, is this too much to ask? If I don't find one of these in the next three years (that is, before I get through school and know "all there is to make one for myself") I will make and market something like this for around $80-100 because, as admins, wouldn't it be easier to have some of these that you could lock away that people couldn't make off with so you could have all the time fingertip access of media without risk of damage?
And for AUDIOPHILES:
Or, and this is what is needed, so you could have all of your CD's at fingertip access without having to have multiple 200 disc players, if you could just have a stack of these connected to your reciever, with either a sort of jukebox style disc changer, or just feed them all together, ala DJ or karaoke whatever could blend songs together.
I think this crowd gets the idea
mention that it doesn't have to be like this.
...
....
Where I work (major NA computer manufacturer, has it's own proprietary chip w/ Intel, you know who) the "Add user to domain" screen that managers use to add new employees has all the options available. I mean everything. If you can think of a setting in a dialog box off of "control panel" or "administrative [options/toolbox/**]" then they have it on that webpage. And all kinds of other stuff too. It's quite thorough. Also, the manager cannot give out more permissions than they have, so that limits some things right off. Plus, depending on the dept, certain options are [un]checked by default. So instead of:
1. Create User
1a. User Name
1b. User Icon
73z. Whatever
The IT guys have setup a process that goes like this
1. Select employees name and if they want a particular login enter it now and wait for the email address and initial login password to be emailed to you so you can print the page and give it to them to destroy as soon as they login because they will automatically be added to the groups that your department belongs to and you should select their extra classifactions below if HR didn't already add those into the database that the script pulls certain information from
2.
3. Profit ***
So granted, yeah, they haven't exactly released said configuration script or put it out on the market, but hey, it only works with their servers on their domains, etc. It's all custom. Point is, you can do something similar for yourself if you are adding a lot of users. It should be built into Windows Server on the CLI level, I thought, to some extent, not discounting all of the options that should be set. Yeah, they've got PhD's in programming and Windows who know all this stuff by rote and can build these option type pages and who have the time and are getting paid for it, but . . .
Where was I going with this. You get the idea. It's there. So *nix does this from the get go on the CLI. Not all the options, you know, and so does MS.
** whatever the name of that folder is since I'm on a unix box and won't go look it up
*** Okay, so they're not making too much money right now for profit, but at least they're not fielding thousands of manager requests on why their employees can't access folder XYZ on server CBA. You get the idea (I know you do, because you made it this far)
so with that in mind, ATI/nVidia/whomever, keep waiting, or at least release the drivers but "whomever" should keep their games on windows and proprietary consoles for now
or to put it in
1.have servers
2.pay less than 1/3 total cost to artists
3.PROFIT
See, we've been adding too many steps all this time, there is no:
N.
and my point being, they aren't paying for mass production of CD's, distribution of said CDs, and retailer deals (ie best buy). that's money in their pocket. it's a well known fact that for most small household purchases, such as CD's and milk, __at least__ $1-2 goes towards packaging and shipment.
yeah I remember jon katz
/. id (congrats, you're a nerd with a nerdy wife), and you don't? and my /. id is lower than yours? so what does that say about __your__ "geek"
of course news for nerds, it IS the motto, after all
and finally
your ___wife___ as a 5 digit
Yeah, that was: /. automatically null and void (except for the a/c's sometimes) just because the market fluctuates? an article on h/w could be posted on fri night and still be able to have comments posted on mon morn and the market could have changed over the w/e
mature
well thought out
well communicated
thoughtful
defining - how exactly is anyone's comment on
that's like your buddy saying that he built something with a part that he got on sale and you say it's crap because you couldn't get the same part on sale yourself.
Like I said, real mature, and very nicely well thought out
--
let the troll-mods commence
So, on to more important things ...
no, you're right. But honestly, they are probably just going for the future curve bit, where you spend a coupla bucks more now, and then don't have to worry about it in the future, because, ya know, building these things is so danged difficult that most folks that build one (or read THW for that matter) won't remember how to change simple components in the future, so might as well save time and "money" by installing it now
I agree with the thought that they forgot this was a gaming rig. I mean, how many bleading edge gamers __need__ raid anything? SLI maybe, but raid???
But we all know that sacrifices have been going on for the past 59 years.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_bug for those so uninitiated.
Okay, so it was a fly, and not a chicken, but it had wings, and it did die in service to the computer gods!!
just to make sure we're together on this:
a) my understanding is that big iron is going the way of the dodo and the new platform is blade architecture, which is where HP is trying to guide I2, and away from superdome, etc
b) I2 is billed as a serious number cruncher, not anything else. I say this, because I haven't seen em billed as such, but any new info is always welcome to help me see the bigger picture.
thanks
Just curious how long ago this was? there is a bootable "linux" version that runs a java style interface (boot is about 20 seconds, tops, and that counts loading the gui) that updates everything on the system to the latest as what's included on the cd-rom. why would you need to update beyond the cdrom, if you couldn't wait that three day period to order the cdrom from hp?
So you're blaming HP for Intel's problems? They couldn't get the chipset to work right, and it's still having fits at the proto level. However, as a line tech in Houston (you do the math), we are seeing sweet numbers on these products, especially when they're not designed for SLI or other consumer oriented applications. The numbers these things crunch are phenominal.
So you can assume that I2 is still too far away and that it's not going to do any good. I tell you now, that when the product line launches in a few months (okay, a little optimistic, but not too far off), you'll all see. Once again, as a factory tech in Houston, they are smoking!
Haven't seen that yet, and I'm quite an avid Sim City CCG(/TCG) collector, and have, sob sob, no one to utilize my collection with/against.
I'll also have to check out this Empire Builder, never heard of it, thanks for the heads up!
you would actually meet him at the agreed location? why not just sit somewhere and snipe him and then laugh your ass off while he came looking for you?
which means that the earth was created on July 25, 1979. Aha! I knew it! (okay, so I'm a dork, but you read this comment too, didn't you?)
surely your worst enemy
then you would have had no problem with: "all your base are belong to " pwn
Oh wait, I was gonna finish this, but now i gotta reboot, stupid WinME . . .
This actually sounds like the most cogent statement on this thread. Oh for mod points.
Furthermore, do you believe that Google is going to help in backing the KERNEL, or do you think they will stick more with INTERFACE oriented designs/help with (F)OSS?
I say all application(/interface), no kernel
quit telling everybody about our paradise man!
Sheesh, we go to all the trouble of keeping knowledge about it secret, and here you are going off at the mouth about how great it is.
I mean, we even got plenty of rats and stuff! Shhhhh, or we'll make you go live in that A world!
It might be just over the average slashdotters head, or at least a little more than their personal experience would allow for.
Hope you get mod points and all
(actually, I'm the one karma whoring...)
Typewriting or Correspondence teachers (choose appropriate course for your school) might be able to confirm for you that 1.25" is considered the 'correct' size of a margin, and that you should never encroach within that space. I, otoh, don't know the reason for this, other than a "Mrs. Manners" explanation.
cheers
drach
If so, then why not hack the reg to give the file extensions the behaviors that you want them to perform? This is something that the registry was intended to do from the beginning (at least since the release of 95), and it is one of the few times that I will recommend that people freely edit the registry, versus using the gui interface that MS has provided, because the gui is a little more clunky than editing the tree directly. If you need direction on how to add this, let me know and I will give you the quick and dirty.
.pps doesn't open in show or whatever) and that maybe we on slashdot can identify as either something which it does but which you were not aware of or that maybe we here can help write up a spec so someone more intimate with that part of OOo can help to code in cleanly?
As far as other featureset requests, have you looked to see if someone else has already added that request to the OOo request list? Do you know exactly what sort of features you are having to do without? I notice that a fellow poster just above me has mentioned the lack of certain outline features that MS Word has, however, the thing is that Word didn't have those features back in version 6. If they did, I never knew about those sort of features until around office2k, but then I also never attempted to write a full scale manuscript in ver's 6 or less.
The thing is, without someone defining the sort of behavior that is needed, there can be no spec written. Without a spec, it's rather difficult to write the code to perform the function. So I ask again, what featureset are you looking for that is lacking that is not an environmental issue (such as
Hopefully this helps, else, I don't get what the deal is I guess.