The fact you are using words like "import your mail history" kind of tells me you're not at all understanding how the OP and many of us use email. What is this "mail history" of which you speak and why must it be imported? Ever since I've been using email (well after the days of pine) my email has always resided on an IMAP server. Any client I pointed at it, including multiple clients across multiple machines, all just saw the email all the way back to the beginning of my account. Your comments lead me to believe that Windows Live Mail must be a lighter-weight cousin to outlook with its ever-corruptible PST files. Shudder. IMAP support in Outlook was a bit strange if I recall, making IMAP almost act like POP with this need to synchronize and download your email. Hopefully Windows Live Mail is not as bad as that was.
I'm sure Windows Live Mail would work well for many folks, but I don't think it's what the OP is looking for.
I tried Geary in the past but feature-wise it had nothing on Thunderbird. It seemed to follow the less is more attitude that so many projects are doing these days with a simpler but less capable GUI. I'd test it out right now, but as with many gnome projects, it's based on the latest and greatest libraries that I don't have my my LTS system so getting it up and running will be a big chore. I guess I could download Evolution OS in a virtual machien and check it out.
The good news is that under the hood Geany has built some nice libraries for accessing IMAP and POP that should integrate well into any GTK application.
Indeed. And what is making Thunderbird long in the tooth? At least it's not like Firefox which is steadily shedding useful and distinguishing features and being a Chrome clone. Thunderbird is still highly useful to me, and likely will for years to come. No other email client comes close to it right now.
But to answer the original question question, most e-mail clients are chasing Outlook, which is fine for them, but Outlook was never nor will ever be useful to me. The 3-pane full-screen interface just doesn't work for me, and everyone adopting Google's style of anti-threading conversations is depressing. The abandonment of time-tested features for the sake of hipster values isn't limited to Mozilla: it's a raging epidemic, to which so far Thunderbird has been immune.
I suspect that Thunderbird has enough following that it will simply be forked. But maintaining a XUL-based GUI is going to be more and more difficult, especially when the Mozilla rendering engine will abandon XUL entirely. Ideally I'd love to see a program that functions and looks almost exactly like Thunderbird, but without XUL. Just a nice Qt GUI will be sufficient.
I assume you're talking about the online word processor and not LibreOffice Writer? LibreOffice Writer and versions before all the way back to StarOffice all supported various kinds of page breaks.
I've always been told that the AMA is an insurance body, not a legal body, though they do lobby on behalf of modelers. AMA fees go towards the insurance that the AMA grants its members. Along with that, the AMA sets out rules and regulations for members to follow to receive that insurance, which includes flying at AMA approved fields. I've never heard of the AMA licensing model flyers before. When airplanes were bigger and heavier, there were less places you could fly them, and so AMA fields were the norm. But if you had your own land or access to land with a little runway you could fly without AMA insurance.
Are you sure? From what I've read, all the court said was that the Warner/Chappell Music did not hold the copyright on it. It's entirely possible that someone somewhere has a legitimate copyright over this song. They certainly did not declare the song was in the public domain, though it probably is.
Wasn't there a story a couple of years ago about Adobe releasing the ancient versions of some of their products, including PS6 for free on their FTP site or something? If so, then you certainly could run PS6 in wine for free for simple jobs.
It makes a huge difference. Nearly all whistle blowers are violating the law in a technical sense to reveal greater breaches of the law by others who are powerful. A fair trial means that all the nuances and subtleties of the crime are made known and an appropriate sentence passed, based on all the factors (including the fact that the NSA violated the law and the constitution), not just technical guilt. This is the kind of justice that the US has prided herself on for generations. And the lack of fear of going after powerful (usually) men in high places for their own crimes revealed. This ex-CIA man has confirmed what we've known for years. There will be no such fair trial for Snowden. His guilt has been known for years, but apparently the full sentence has been known already too. This is morally wrong. And clearly those that violated the constitution and acted in an unlawful fashion (IE crimes) against the American people have no intention of being responsible for their actions either in any courts of law.
The odds would be far less though. A keypad with actual, discrete buttons, is far, far more accurate for data input than a on-screen keyboard will ever be.
If you read the fine article, you'll find that what the author is really talking about is a full-blown compromise of corporate networks.
Today's adversary isn't merely a passive reader. They intercept and change emails, albeit slightly, when the need arises. Yes decisions may become no; no may become yes. Sometimes key recipients will be removed from the email's receiver list. More receivers may be added. Email groups may be modified. Encryption and signing may be turned off.
In one of the most notorious examples I've ever read, a company knew it was badly compromised with an APT. In an attempt to reclaim the network, the help desk sent out an email asking every recipient to change their password. Certainly, that would make it harder for the malicious intruders to hang out -- except that the intruders had control of the help desk's email account. Right before the email was sent, the intruders changed the embedded link so that it took users to a perfect copy of the company's password-change website hosted under the intruder's control. Users followed the help desk directions, but in doing so allowed intruders to capture every password change.
Seems to me the problem isn't phishing... it's the compromise to begin with, and the problems that led to that.
Except that pipeline spills happen all the time in north america like weekly. The risk of fire is much lower but the environmental cost to land owners is still very high. Not saying it's worse. But pipelines are not definitely not safer. There was a major spill just a few of years ago in the Midwest that is still not cleaned up despite the oil company claiming recovery is complete. A real disaster. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik.... With the TransCanada pipeline the odds of a spill or multiple spills of this magnitude is very high.
The actual bug is shown in the original article. The author says "It appears the seven-year-old Xen bug is caused by an entanglement of C macros, bit masking, and Intel x86's fiddly page table flags" but fails to explain exactly what's going on (probably he doesn't understand it himself). Can some explain what actually happens in this line and what failure modes caused the check to be bypassed?
The fact that such a simple-looking line could result in such seriously flawed code tells me that programming secure code in C is much much harder than I thought, especially when what looks like a clean function call is actually macro expansion, perhaps layers of macro expansion. Mot a fault of C per se, but a gotcha when using a lot of macros as if they were C functions.
Read the article. Except for #1 and #5, he explicitly says he did all of these things. Given his experience, I wouldn't expect #1 or #5 to be the problem either. And others who also have a lot of experience can attest to this growing problem of email exclusivity. I ran an email server for 10 years for a university and it was a constant fight to make sure others were accepting our email, despite doing everything we could to ensure we were secure, followed the rules, best practices etc, doing all of #0-#5. So sorry, it's not that simple. If you're email server is working great, that's wonderful. You're grandfathered in, as it were. Starting from zero is now much, much harder than it ever used to be.
#0 is a particularly tough one. There's really no way to overcome that except by begging the blacklists to reconsider, or change IP addresses, which you really can't do anymore, now that there are so few free addresses available.
Email has become a horribly broken system and vigilante blacklist services are not helping things any.
Round-trips are simply a function of the X11 asynchronous protocol, as well as the server/client nature of X11. Has nothing to do with how good or bad GTK programmers are. If as you say EFL is using OpenGL, then it's bypassing most of the X11 protocol, which is a great optimization for local apps. And if you remote an OpenGL window, and all the rendering is client-side anyway (which is the case for remote OpenGL if I'm not mistaken) then the remote server is just going to get a bitmap anyway. So I see it as sixes. Besides that, when X11 apps run on the same machine as the X server, shared memory is used so things are pretty fast (throughput) except for the natural latency that exists because of X11's asynchronous nature and the lack of a good way of synching redraws like Windows and OS X have done for years, and probably OpenGL as well.
Clearly GTK's issues on X11 are, well X11 caused. Because there are no such issues on Wayland. EFL will have Wayland support before too long, so you'll get a good comparison.
Probably this crack down is in preparation for BBC offering paid iPlayer access world-wide to a subset of the content. This is something I think a lot of people around the world have wanted for some time.
Certainly in the hobby embedded space, dominated by Arduino, C++ is exclusively used. Sometimes it's just C compiled with a C++ compiler, but often basic classes are used. Never the C++ standard library though.
There are certainly reasons why people eschew C++, some are better than others. The bloat argument is probably one of the poorer arguments.
Personally I avoid C++ primarily because it's so hard to access C++ classes from other languages without fairly complicated thunk layers.
Of course his bluetooth thing didn't intercept the word, walnuts, and then try to advertise it to him later. But the way we're heading, technology is rapidly enabling that kind of thing to actually happen.
What today is, or yesterday was, a conspiracy theory spouted by those crazy people we all know, tomorrow becomes reality. Like the example of TVs watching people back. Okay we're not there yet, but TVs are listening in a way. Maybe the crazy conspiracy theorists were more reasonable than we thought.
You'll have to explain just what you are talking about. Are you saying that Enlightenment uses server-side X11 widgets (no anti-aliasing, and no compositing)? No I don't think so. Everything is rendered client-side and pushed to the server just like every other toolkit. And there are good reasons for all this. As well, protocols like RDP do a pretty darn good job at remoting the result. VNC works alright, certainly Xvnc is much faster than windows-based vnc servers.
Umm, no. The problem has nothing to do with graphics, really, or how Gnome 3 is written. It appears to be an issue with PAM and session management when launching the desktop inside of Xvnc. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh... . As to why it's been broken for so long, I don't know. And it appears to still be broken, though there are some config files you can edit that seem to make it work. I imagine not many people remote over VNC. And no idea if Gnome3 works over X2Go but I would think it does.
Gnome 3's integral use of a compositor in no way makes Gnome badly written. And this "modern X just spams remote sessions with bitmaps" is pretty much how all toolkits work today. Built-in X widgets were obsolete over 20 years ago. X hasn't been very usable over ssh on anything but a LAN for as long as I've used Linux. I think the last app that I could remote over a modem link was an ancient version of XEmacs. Kind of fun. Of course X2Go can remote modern apps at a pretty usable and respectable speed by eliminating server round-trips and compressing the bitmap stream. Makes X apps as usable over a slow connection as rdp does. Pretty impressive.
Oh lighten up. LoTR has always been on-topic here. It's part of your nerd or geek card membership. After all, you conveniently left out the most important part of the tagline: "news for nerds." Though maybe the nature of the nerd is changing. Hard to believe I've been wasting time on slashdot for nearly 20 years now.
Other nerdy non-tech subjects come up from time to time, that slashdotters seem to love talking about: - star trek - star wars - science fiction in general - The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Oh really. You know nothing of this woman and nothing of her situation beyond what little was shared with us. It's okay to not pass judgement on a case because one lacks facts. But you have absolutely no right to make such a broad, casual judgement. In fact your attitude is part of this very problem.
I can assure you that the vast majority of congresspeople will retain their seats in the next election. I think the statistics are in the 90% range. Years of gerrymandering have ensured this.
The fact you are using words like "import your mail history" kind of tells me you're not at all understanding how the OP and many of us use email. What is this "mail history" of which you speak and why must it be imported? Ever since I've been using email (well after the days of pine) my email has always resided on an IMAP server. Any client I pointed at it, including multiple clients across multiple machines, all just saw the email all the way back to the beginning of my account. Your comments lead me to believe that Windows Live Mail must be a lighter-weight cousin to outlook with its ever-corruptible PST files. Shudder. IMAP support in Outlook was a bit strange if I recall, making IMAP almost act like POP with this need to synchronize and download your email. Hopefully Windows Live Mail is not as bad as that was.
I'm sure Windows Live Mail would work well for many folks, but I don't think it's what the OP is looking for.
I tried Geary in the past but feature-wise it had nothing on Thunderbird. It seemed to follow the less is more attitude that so many projects are doing these days with a simpler but less capable GUI. I'd test it out right now, but as with many gnome projects, it's based on the latest and greatest libraries that I don't have my my LTS system so getting it up and running will be a big chore. I guess I could download Evolution OS in a virtual machien and check it out.
The good news is that under the hood Geany has built some nice libraries for accessing IMAP and POP that should integrate well into any GTK application.
Indeed. And what is making Thunderbird long in the tooth? At least it's not like Firefox which is steadily shedding useful and distinguishing features and being a Chrome clone. Thunderbird is still highly useful to me, and likely will for years to come. No other email client comes close to it right now.
But to answer the original question question, most e-mail clients are chasing Outlook, which is fine for them, but Outlook was never nor will ever be useful to me. The 3-pane full-screen interface just doesn't work for me, and everyone adopting Google's style of anti-threading conversations is depressing. The abandonment of time-tested features for the sake of hipster values isn't limited to Mozilla: it's a raging epidemic, to which so far Thunderbird has been immune.
I suspect that Thunderbird has enough following that it will simply be forked. But maintaining a XUL-based GUI is going to be more and more difficult, especially when the Mozilla rendering engine will abandon XUL entirely. Ideally I'd love to see a program that functions and looks almost exactly like Thunderbird, but without XUL. Just a nice Qt GUI will be sufficient.
I assume you're talking about the online word processor and not LibreOffice Writer? LibreOffice Writer and versions before all the way back to StarOffice all supported various kinds of page breaks.
I've always been told that the AMA is an insurance body, not a legal body, though they do lobby on behalf of modelers. AMA fees go towards the insurance that the AMA grants its members. Along with that, the AMA sets out rules and regulations for members to follow to receive that insurance, which includes flying at AMA approved fields. I've never heard of the AMA licensing model flyers before. When airplanes were bigger and heavier, there were less places you could fly them, and so AMA fields were the norm. But if you had your own land or access to land with a little runway you could fly without AMA insurance.
Are you sure? From what I've read, all the court said was that the Warner/Chappell Music did not hold the copyright on it. It's entirely possible that someone somewhere has a legitimate copyright over this song. They certainly did not declare the song was in the public domain, though it probably is.
Well in Syria there's practically no oil.
Wasn't there a story a couple of years ago about Adobe releasing the ancient versions of some of their products, including PS6 for free on their FTP site or something? If so, then you certainly could run PS6 in wine for free for simple jobs.
It makes a huge difference. Nearly all whistle blowers are violating the law in a technical sense to reveal greater breaches of the law by others who are powerful. A fair trial means that all the nuances and subtleties of the crime are made known and an appropriate sentence passed, based on all the factors (including the fact that the NSA violated the law and the constitution), not just technical guilt. This is the kind of justice that the US has prided herself on for generations. And the lack of fear of going after powerful (usually) men in high places for their own crimes revealed. This ex-CIA man has confirmed what we've known for years. There will be no such fair trial for Snowden. His guilt has been known for years, but apparently the full sentence has been known already too. This is morally wrong. And clearly those that violated the constitution and acted in an unlawful fashion (IE crimes) against the American people have no intention of being responsible for their actions either in any courts of law.
It was announced but I've seen no evidence of it yet. I still can't so much as thumbs up a youtube video without being forced to sign up for google+.
The odds would be far less though. A keypad with actual, discrete buttons, is far, far more accurate for data input than a on-screen keyboard will ever be.
If you read the fine article, you'll find that what the author is really talking about is a full-blown compromise of corporate networks.
Seems to me the problem isn't phishing... it's the compromise to begin with, and the problems that led to that.
Except that pipeline spills happen all the time in north america like weekly. The risk of fire is much lower but the environmental cost to land owners is still very high. Not saying it's worse. But pipelines are not definitely not safer. There was a major spill just a few of years ago in the Midwest that is still not cleaned up despite the oil company claiming recovery is complete. A real disaster. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik.... With the TransCanada pipeline the odds of a spill or multiple spills of this magnitude is very high.
The actual bug is shown in the original article. The author says "It appears the seven-year-old Xen bug is caused by an entanglement of C macros, bit masking, and Intel x86's fiddly page table flags" but fails to explain exactly what's going on (probably he doesn't understand it himself). Can some explain what actually happens in this line and what failure modes caused the check to be bypassed?
The fact that such a simple-looking line could result in such seriously flawed code tells me that programming secure code in C is much much harder than I thought, especially when what looks like a clean function call is actually macro expansion, perhaps layers of macro expansion. Mot a fault of C per se, but a gotcha when using a lot of macros as if they were C functions.
Read the article. Except for #1 and #5, he explicitly says he did all of these things. Given his experience, I wouldn't expect #1 or #5 to be the problem either. And others who also have a lot of experience can attest to this growing problem of email exclusivity. I ran an email server for 10 years for a university and it was a constant fight to make sure others were accepting our email, despite doing everything we could to ensure we were secure, followed the rules, best practices etc, doing all of #0-#5. So sorry, it's not that simple. If you're email server is working great, that's wonderful. You're grandfathered in, as it were. Starting from zero is now much, much harder than it ever used to be.
#0 is a particularly tough one. There's really no way to overcome that except by begging the blacklists to reconsider, or change IP addresses, which you really can't do anymore, now that there are so few free addresses available.
Email has become a horribly broken system and vigilante blacklist services are not helping things any.
Round-trips are simply a function of the X11 asynchronous protocol, as well as the server/client nature of X11. Has nothing to do with how good or bad GTK programmers are. If as you say EFL is using OpenGL, then it's bypassing most of the X11 protocol, which is a great optimization for local apps. And if you remote an OpenGL window, and all the rendering is client-side anyway (which is the case for remote OpenGL if I'm not mistaken) then the remote server is just going to get a bitmap anyway. So I see it as sixes. Besides that, when X11 apps run on the same machine as the X server, shared memory is used so things are pretty fast (throughput) except for the natural latency that exists because of X11's asynchronous nature and the lack of a good way of synching redraws like Windows and OS X have done for years, and probably OpenGL as well.
Clearly GTK's issues on X11 are, well X11 caused. Because there are no such issues on Wayland. EFL will have Wayland support before too long, so you'll get a good comparison.
Probably this crack down is in preparation for BBC offering paid iPlayer access world-wide to a subset of the content. This is something I think a lot of people around the world have wanted for some time.
Certainly in the hobby embedded space, dominated by Arduino, C++ is exclusively used. Sometimes it's just C compiled with a C++ compiler, but often basic classes are used. Never the C++ standard library though.
There are certainly reasons why people eschew C++, some are better than others. The bloat argument is probably one of the poorer arguments.
Personally I avoid C++ primarily because it's so hard to access C++ classes from other languages without fairly complicated thunk layers.
Yeah I agree.
Of course his bluetooth thing didn't intercept the word, walnuts, and then try to advertise it to him later. But the way we're heading, technology is rapidly enabling that kind of thing to actually happen.
What today is, or yesterday was, a conspiracy theory spouted by those crazy people we all know, tomorrow becomes reality. Like the example of TVs watching people back. Okay we're not there yet, but TVs are listening in a way. Maybe the crazy conspiracy theorists were more reasonable than we thought.
You'll have to explain just what you are talking about. Are you saying that Enlightenment uses server-side X11 widgets (no anti-aliasing, and no compositing)? No I don't think so. Everything is rendered client-side and pushed to the server just like every other toolkit. And there are good reasons for all this. As well, protocols like RDP do a pretty darn good job at remoting the result. VNC works alright, certainly Xvnc is much faster than windows-based vnc servers.
Umm, no. The problem has nothing to do with graphics, really, or how Gnome 3 is written. It appears to be an issue with PAM and session management when launching the desktop inside of Xvnc. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh... . As to why it's been broken for so long, I don't know. And it appears to still be broken, though there are some config files you can edit that seem to make it work. I imagine not many people remote over VNC. And no idea if Gnome3 works over X2Go but I would think it does.
Gnome 3's integral use of a compositor in no way makes Gnome badly written. And this "modern X just spams remote sessions with bitmaps" is pretty much how all toolkits work today. Built-in X widgets were obsolete over 20 years ago. X hasn't been very usable over ssh on anything but a LAN for as long as I've used Linux. I think the last app that I could remote over a modem link was an ancient version of XEmacs. Kind of fun. Of course X2Go can remote modern apps at a pretty usable and respectable speed by eliminating server round-trips and compressing the bitmap stream. Makes X apps as usable over a slow connection as rdp does. Pretty impressive.
Oh wow.
Oh lighten up. LoTR has always been on-topic here. It's part of your nerd or geek card membership. After all, you conveniently left out the most important part of the tagline: "news for nerds." Though maybe the nature of the nerd is changing. Hard to believe I've been wasting time on slashdot for nearly 20 years now.
Other nerdy non-tech subjects come up from time to time, that slashdotters seem to love talking about:
- star trek
- star wars
- science fiction in general
- The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
to name but a few.
Oh really. You know nothing of this woman and nothing of her situation beyond what little was shared with us. It's okay to not pass judgement on a case because one lacks facts. But you have absolutely no right to make such a broad, casual judgement. In fact your attitude is part of this very problem.
I can assure you that the vast majority of congresspeople will retain their seats in the next election. I think the statistics are in the 90% range. Years of gerrymandering have ensured this.
http://www.politifact.com/trut...