I'll lose a couple mod points to say this, but it is worth it.
The military/intelligence community works in a world of top secret information. They are NOT allowed to talk about their successes. This is also why the NSA didn't respond to much of the Snowden stuff, even to correct the massive mistakes they made, it is all still classified even if some of it was released.
The military and intelligence agencies not talking about the people they have stopped has nothing to do with a lack of people being stopped, you just won't hear about any of the successes for 50 years because they are all classified as the ways in which they were stopped are highly sensitive.
Oohh so you're going to claim there are no politics involved? That some politician won't leak the info because it benefits his/her campaign somehow? That some C level exec at the CIA or NSA won't let it slip? They are appointed people. But you're right. We all know that the Director of the CIA won't open his big fat mouth just to get a little something on the side. They keep everything under wraps and never have any scandals because they keep all their foibles under wraps, too.
And hey, they're right, but they're not infallible.
Yes and no. I've dated two doctors and a PA. One doctor was a surgeon and the other handled critical care at an ICU. About half of the doctors I met during that time were idiots - I would feel more comfortable making my own medical choices over having them make any. I'd let the nurse make decisions over some of those doctors. The PA knew her shit better than a lot of the doctors I met during the time I dated those three women. All of her doctor friends were geniuses. In my experience there are a lot of really smart doctors and a lot of really stupid / lazy doctors. Those two groups compromise a solid 70% of the doctors I've met. The rest are somewhere in between. My guess is the poor quality doctors are driven by greed over a true passion for medicine and science.
Initially I thought they were limiting it to post 1970s stuff and then they throw in an 1850s record player.
Dude! That's the only way to listen to vinyl. If you're not going to use that record player in the article, you might as well just buy a CD or an MP3. You guys are so behind the times here.
Sex! Sex is the problem. Fornication without the godly intent of reproduction to strengthen the army of his lord and savior is a vile abomination and the most gravely mortal of mortal sins. Right up there to self abuse while watching pornographic materials on the internet, which we all know is just a tool for Satan
I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone knows that Satan retired years ago.
There exist third-party companies (e.g. Inrix) that monitor cellphone emissions in aggregate and then sell that information to Google, state DOTs, etc. (In some cases the cellular providers themselves may collect the data; in others, the traffic-data company may install sensors along the roadway.)
Waze does indeed report location directly using each phone's data connection, but that's hardly the only (or even the most common) way to do it. Google maps was providing Inrix-sourced traffic data long before it bought Waze.
I know they were providing it long before they bought Waze. But they use data from the phones running Google maps to get the most accurate and real time traffic info. Waze just allows people to crowd source things like accidents and construction instead of relying solely on commercially acquired data.
Military/Intelligence is the same thing as well. Foil 1000 terrorist plots and the public will never know. Let one slip through and all of a sudden... well you get the idea.
Military and intelligence funding is very political. If they had foiled even one terrorist plot they would never let us forget about it.
How does one keep track of all the changes that can happen anywhere in the world? One can't.
Well... a centralized company "can't." It is logistically improbable to keep a map up to date unless a company is planning on continuously driving every road because, frankly, it isn't notified about all the little changes that can happen anywhere; it takes a really long time to "drive every road."
It is no surprise that Google Maps has started to suffer from this.
You do know how Google maps works, right? They literally have millions of cars driving around all these roads every day. The users are the people that help them keep the maps correct. That's part of the reason they bought Waze. How do you think the real time traffic works?
...I still have hipsters looking at me with disdain.
1) My paper has never experienced a fault while on the move.
2) My paper has more detail than your electronic maps.
3) My paper allows me to see more of the map at once.
Google Maps is intended as a dumbed down service. Expect it to be dumbed down.
If you're out hiking or camping, yes, I agree. Bring a paper map. Even better would be to bring a plastic coated map that is protected against weather and allows you to make marks on it with a grease pencil. But in my car I have my phone and my GPS unit that will allow me to view the map without needing a GPS satellite. I can manage just fine around town and even on a road trip. I know where I am going in general because I've already studied a map before I left. I usually want turn by turn directions to make sure that I don't make a wrong turn when getting to a new destination. Your paper map won't give that and I can always stop and get directions OR a paper map if I am absolutely desperate.
> Personally I'd like to see a total ban on all smoking tobacco.
Not to worry, that's just your inner petty tyrant trying to be let free. Fortunately, you and your "there ought to be a law" ilk are *usually* just laughed at and openly mocked. I suppose next you'll be wanting to ban all sex, except for the purpose of procreation and only in the missionary position? We might as well try that whole banning alcohol thing.
'Cause, you know, banning is effective and your need to control other people is insatiable. "Stop doing things I don't like!"
Disclosure: I do smoke cigars but you'd be unlikely to actually witness me smoking unless you were in my home. Can't have me enjoying my cigars now, can we?
I Just don't want people to smoke while I'm eating or outside my doors and windows. Smoke all you want, I don't care. I'll even hang out with you while you smoke (outside, while I stand upwind of you). Have a blast. I just don't want to smell it. Feel free to have all the wild and crazy sex you want, also. I probably don't want to watch that, either. Smoke at a park, I don't care. Just don't smoke upwind from the playground. Really it's more common courtesy than anything else. I think the real problem is that courtesy is no longer (was never?) common.
It seems to me like maybe someone struggling to make ends meet might not have 40 minutes to walk to and from a grocery store, half of the journey loaded down with bags of groceries. Maybe I'm crazy.
Ok and I work in an office park. To my knowledge, no one lives here. They live in the surrounding residential areas that are *gasp* right by the shopping center I can walk to in 20 minutes.
These costs of being poor really suck, and include things like having to rely on check cashing places to do your banking or buying expensive unhealthy packaged food because your neighborhood lacks access to fresh food.
What neighborhoods are these? I lived in a really bad area in college. less than 100 yards from a neighborhood called "Crack Lane". In that neighborhood I could walk to a grocery store with fresh foods in 10 minutes. I had to walk through Crack Lane to get there, too. If I didn't want to go thru Crack Lane, I could walk the other way and find a Walmart with fresh groceries. That route was only marginally better. I have never seen a neighborhood so bad that it didn't have at least one grocery store. In other parts of the country I've worked in really bad neighborhoods and still found access to grocery stores. In fact, my current work area is surrounded by prostitution and strip clubs. People live in this area when they can't afford to live anywhere else and I could still walk to a grocery store from my office in about 20 minutes. So where are you referring to?
- NASA has enough money to pay someone to watch the feed, their hand hovering over a giant "SHUT IT ALL DOWN" button. They don't.
- NASA knows they might have something to hide, so DOESN'T delay the live stream by one minute in case "Hey, aliens wandered into the frame, let's just static out those seconds and go oops, technical difficulties".
- The aliens are smart enough to travel between worlds but aren't smart enough to hide from a camera that NASA could have told them, in advance, that they were pointing in this one place (space is VERY big).
- None of the other observation devices pointed randomly at the sky (including people observing the ISS through their amateur telescopes and stuff, as people are want to do) saw this.
- The EU, Russians, Chinese and Indians with all their hardware and observation technology (none of whom save possibly the EU have any incentive to cooperate with the US and would, in fact, leap at the chance to discredit and shame them) didn't see it either.
The worst part is the Schroeder's competence that has to take place here. NASA have to be crazy-dedicated and funded in order to successfully cover up something as obvious as alien spacecraft whizzing around within visual range of the ISS, but also dumb enough to let it get exposed so trivially and easily as a public camera with the world watching.
When you start to think about it even a little bit the likelihood that it's real, live, true alien visitors and not just some kind of weird light reflection, space debris, or whatever is vanishingly small.
(...which is exactly what they WOULD say, isn't it...)
Why would they static out the image when they could just have the MIB send out a light pulse and wipe everyone's memory? Kudos to Scott for looking away just in time to save his memory of the incident!
Plus people should be able to live to work not work to live. If I have to spend all my personal time learning things for the next job then there isn't much point being in technology at all.
This exactly. LinkedIn has been bugging me for about two months trying to get me to go for a third round of interviewing. They gave me this giant (it is a 2 page list individual topics) study guide and expect me to regurgitate information from it for a 5 hour interview. I already have a job and a great boss. Why would I want to spend my free time studying information that I can look up in 5 seconds just so you can decide whether or not you want to hire me? I have more important things I would rather do with all that time. I don't even want to sit through a 5 hour interview. I've been there and done that. They have one or two people interview you at a time and they always ask the same questions over and over again. What a great way to waste a day of vacation.
Everyone knows that you put "Sensual Massage" in the memo field on checks and other such transfers. Unless you're paying a big corporate entity. Then you probably ought to be serious and put an account number.
How many people out there have read an entire book by searching for every page on Google?
I actually bought a book that I found through Google Books. I only needed maybe 5 pages out of the entire book and it was such a PITA to search out each individual page i broke down and bought it. Turned out that the authors were a bunch of idiots and the book was wrong, but they have my money and so therefore Google books was a net win for those jackasses.
Blame the education system in my country where they taught it to me as a third language. Stoopid system!
Don't worry, we all have ADHD around here. We'll make fun of your English as a third language skills for a day or two and then move on to something else.
The likely hood of this happening is slim, but I sometimes wonder if a minor change is really not that bad.
In this case, change rm to NOT allow/, until -t/--top is added. Then it is allowed.
With this minor change, it could save noobs from themselves and would like not be used that often in the first place.
They've got an even better one, and it's been in rm for a while. --no-preserve-root
Questions circling:
What, exactly, was Hillary truly aware of at the time, from a technical standpoint?
Irrelevant. She's required to undergo annual security training. During that time you are trained to not mix secure systems or networks with insecure systems or networks. If she did not know the rules then that is her fault. She agreed to uphold them and certified that she attended her annual training. If she did not know, it is her fault.
What, exactly, was Hillary truly aware of at the time, from a political standpoint?
I don't see how politics fall into this whatsoever. This is purely a criminal matter (the email server). Whether she did anything illegal for political reasons is irrelevant as far as the email server itself goes.
Exactly what documents were classified, and when (one of the arguments is that some documents were retroactively marked classified)?
The fact of the matter is that the document does not have to be marked as classified. If she knew or should have known that the documents were classified then she should have treated the documents as such.
Not that I have a full understanding of the whole private email server fiasco (TLDR requested), but either she was indited for a crime and a warrant could legally be issued for said emails, or there wasn't just cause, in which case these privacy protections would prevent officers from going on a fishing trip. What are you arguing for exactly?
This. "Servergate" seems to be largely being propagated by people who don't seem to know how email works. If I'm allowed to access, for example, classified emails from a personal device, then they are, by defnition, copied to that device. Whether that device is a "server" or not is utterly irrelevant.
Your opinion is obviously propagated by someone who does not understand how information security works at that level. At no time was Hillary Clinton authorized to send these documents to her private email server. That's why Hillary first asked for an approved Blackberry device from the NSA. They said no, she threw a fit and then illegally disseminated the email to her private server. Even if the email was not marked as classified, she's not off the hook. The rules clearly state that if you believe that the information could or should be classified then you must treat it as such. If you did exactly as she did, you'd already be in jail. Trust me. I used to have to deal with this sort of thing. People who have to deal with this sort of thing are briefed on the rules annually. She knew or should have known that she was violating the rules.
Disability is the new welfare. It is another place we hide true unemployment numbers. In a time where every business has to be handicapped accessible and when most of us that earn a good living do so by basically sitting on our arse all day in front of a monitor, the term "permanently disabled" with the possible exceptions of quadriplegics and such strikes me as pretty ridiculous.
I have to say that your post made me pretty angry. I have a degenerative neck injury. While I am perfectly capable of getting around and living a relatively active lifestyle, there are days where I can't get out of bed. Eventually I will probably have to go on disability. Sure I sit at a desk all day but what employer wants to put up with me being unable to work randomly because I'm in too much pain? As it is now I take more time off work than I'd like going to doctors appointments and for treatment. Every 6-18 months I have to have a nerve ablation. It's a pretty painful procedure but I'd already be on disability now without it. I've managed to hold down a job despite my injury for the last 7 years. If I'm lucky I'll be able to make it another 20 before it becomes too much. I have no interest in going on disability but I will be surprised if I can avoid it my entire life. Crack a few vertebrae in your neck and tell me how you feel even when youre "just sitting on your arse all day."
I'll lose a couple mod points to say this, but it is worth it.
The military/intelligence community works in a world of top secret information. They are NOT allowed to talk about their successes. This is also why the NSA didn't respond to much of the Snowden stuff, even to correct the massive mistakes they made, it is all still classified even if some of it was released.
The military and intelligence agencies not talking about the people they have stopped has nothing to do with a lack of people being stopped, you just won't hear about any of the successes for 50 years because they are all classified as the ways in which they were stopped are highly sensitive.
Oohh so you're going to claim there are no politics involved? That some politician won't leak the info because it benefits his/her campaign somehow? That some C level exec at the CIA or NSA won't let it slip? They are appointed people. But you're right. We all know that the Director of the CIA won't open his big fat mouth just to get a little something on the side. They keep everything under wraps and never have any scandals because they keep all their foibles under wraps, too.
And hey, they're right, but they're not infallible.
Yes and no. I've dated two doctors and a PA. One doctor was a surgeon and the other handled critical care at an ICU. About half of the doctors I met during that time were idiots - I would feel more comfortable making my own medical choices over having them make any. I'd let the nurse make decisions over some of those doctors. The PA knew her shit better than a lot of the doctors I met during the time I dated those three women. All of her doctor friends were geniuses. In my experience there are a lot of really smart doctors and a lot of really stupid / lazy doctors. Those two groups compromise a solid 70% of the doctors I've met. The rest are somewhere in between. My guess is the poor quality doctors are driven by greed over a true passion for medicine and science.
Initially I thought they were limiting it to post 1970s stuff and then they throw in an 1850s record player.
Dude! That's the only way to listen to vinyl. If you're not going to use that record player in the article, you might as well just buy a CD or an MP3. You guys are so behind the times here.
Sex! Sex is the problem. Fornication without the godly intent of reproduction to strengthen the army of his lord and savior is a vile abomination and the most gravely mortal of mortal sins. Right up there to self abuse while watching pornographic materials on the internet, which we all know is just a tool for Satan
I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone knows that Satan retired years ago.
Yakkety Yak.
Don't talk back.
There exist third-party companies (e.g. Inrix) that monitor cellphone emissions in aggregate and then sell that information to Google, state DOTs, etc. (In some cases the cellular providers themselves may collect the data; in others, the traffic-data company may install sensors along the roadway.)
Waze does indeed report location directly using each phone's data connection, but that's hardly the only (or even the most common) way to do it. Google maps was providing Inrix-sourced traffic data long before it bought Waze.
I know they were providing it long before they bought Waze. But they use data from the phones running Google maps to get the most accurate and real time traffic info. Waze just allows people to crowd source things like accidents and construction instead of relying solely on commercially acquired data.
Military/Intelligence is the same thing as well. Foil 1000 terrorist plots and the public will never know. Let one slip through and all of a sudden ... well you get the idea.
Military and intelligence funding is very political. If they had foiled even one terrorist plot they would never let us forget about it.
How does one keep track of all the changes that can happen anywhere in the world? One can't.
Well... a centralized company "can't." It is logistically improbable to keep a map up to date unless a company is planning on continuously driving every road because, frankly, it isn't notified about all the little changes that can happen anywhere; it takes a really long time to "drive every road."
It is no surprise that Google Maps has started to suffer from this.
You do know how Google maps works, right? They literally have millions of cars driving around all these roads every day. The users are the people that help them keep the maps correct. That's part of the reason they bought Waze. How do you think the real time traffic works?
...I still have hipsters looking at me with disdain.
1) My paper has never experienced a fault while on the move. 2) My paper has more detail than your electronic maps. 3) My paper allows me to see more of the map at once.
Google Maps is intended as a dumbed down service. Expect it to be dumbed down.
If you're out hiking or camping, yes, I agree. Bring a paper map. Even better would be to bring a plastic coated map that is protected against weather and allows you to make marks on it with a grease pencil. But in my car I have my phone and my GPS unit that will allow me to view the map without needing a GPS satellite. I can manage just fine around town and even on a road trip. I know where I am going in general because I've already studied a map before I left. I usually want turn by turn directions to make sure that I don't make a wrong turn when getting to a new destination. Your paper map won't give that and I can always stop and get directions OR a paper map if I am absolutely desperate.
That was no weasel. That was Trump's hair. It looks like the good folks at CERN are doing their best to help destroy all of Trump's horcruxes.
> Personally I'd like to see a total ban on all smoking tobacco.
Not to worry, that's just your inner petty tyrant trying to be let free. Fortunately, you and your "there ought to be a law" ilk are *usually* just laughed at and openly mocked. I suppose next you'll be wanting to ban all sex, except for the purpose of procreation and only in the missionary position? We might as well try that whole banning alcohol thing.
'Cause, you know, banning is effective and your need to control other people is insatiable. "Stop doing things I don't like!"
Disclosure: I do smoke cigars but you'd be unlikely to actually witness me smoking unless you were in my home. Can't have me enjoying my cigars now, can we?
I Just don't want people to smoke while I'm eating or outside my doors and windows. Smoke all you want, I don't care. I'll even hang out with you while you smoke (outside, while I stand upwind of you). Have a blast. I just don't want to smell it. Feel free to have all the wild and crazy sex you want, also. I probably don't want to watch that, either. Smoke at a park, I don't care. Just don't smoke upwind from the playground. Really it's more common courtesy than anything else. I think the real problem is that courtesy is no longer (was never?) common.
It seems to me like maybe someone struggling to make ends meet might not have 40 minutes to walk to and from a grocery store, half of the journey loaded down with bags of groceries. Maybe I'm crazy.
Ok and I work in an office park. To my knowledge, no one lives here. They live in the surrounding residential areas that are *gasp* right by the shopping center I can walk to in 20 minutes.
These costs of being poor really suck, and include things like having to rely on check cashing places to do your banking or buying expensive unhealthy packaged food because your neighborhood lacks access to fresh food.
What neighborhoods are these? I lived in a really bad area in college. less than 100 yards from a neighborhood called "Crack Lane". In that neighborhood I could walk to a grocery store with fresh foods in 10 minutes. I had to walk through Crack Lane to get there, too. If I didn't want to go thru Crack Lane, I could walk the other way and find a Walmart with fresh groceries. That route was only marginally better. I have never seen a neighborhood so bad that it didn't have at least one grocery store. In other parts of the country I've worked in really bad neighborhoods and still found access to grocery stores. In fact, my current work area is surrounded by prostitution and strip clubs. People live in this area when they can't afford to live anywhere else and I could still walk to a grocery store from my office in about 20 minutes. So where are you referring to?
All of this assumes:
- NASA has enough money to pay someone to watch the feed, their hand hovering over a giant "SHUT IT ALL DOWN" button. They don't. - NASA knows they might have something to hide, so DOESN'T delay the live stream by one minute in case "Hey, aliens wandered into the frame, let's just static out those seconds and go oops, technical difficulties". - The aliens are smart enough to travel between worlds but aren't smart enough to hide from a camera that NASA could have told them, in advance, that they were pointing in this one place (space is VERY big). - None of the other observation devices pointed randomly at the sky (including people observing the ISS through their amateur telescopes and stuff, as people are want to do) saw this. - The EU, Russians, Chinese and Indians with all their hardware and observation technology (none of whom save possibly the EU have any incentive to cooperate with the US and would, in fact, leap at the chance to discredit and shame them) didn't see it either.
The worst part is the Schroeder's competence that has to take place here. NASA have to be crazy-dedicated and funded in order to successfully cover up something as obvious as alien spacecraft whizzing around within visual range of the ISS, but also dumb enough to let it get exposed so trivially and easily as a public camera with the world watching.
When you start to think about it even a little bit the likelihood that it's real, live, true alien visitors and not just some kind of weird light reflection, space debris, or whatever is vanishingly small.
(...which is exactly what they WOULD say, isn't it...)
Why would they static out the image when they could just have the MIB send out a light pulse and wipe everyone's memory? Kudos to Scott for looking away just in time to save his memory of the incident!
LinkedIn has been bugging me for about two months trying to get me to go for a third round of interviewing.
LinkedIn is spamming you and you can't ignore it? Turn in your geek cred and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. :P
They aren't spamming me. I legitimately interviewed with them prior to knowing what their process was like.
Plus people should be able to live to work not work to live. If I have to spend all my personal time learning things for the next job then there isn't much point being in technology at all.
This exactly. LinkedIn has been bugging me for about two months trying to get me to go for a third round of interviewing. They gave me this giant (it is a 2 page list individual topics) study guide and expect me to regurgitate information from it for a 5 hour interview. I already have a job and a great boss. Why would I want to spend my free time studying information that I can look up in 5 seconds just so you can decide whether or not you want to hire me? I have more important things I would rather do with all that time. I don't even want to sit through a 5 hour interview. I've been there and done that. They have one or two people interview you at a time and they always ask the same questions over and over again. What a great way to waste a day of vacation.
Everyone knows that you put "Sensual Massage" in the memo field on checks and other such transfers. Unless you're paying a big corporate entity. Then you probably ought to be serious and put an account number.
How many people out there have read an entire book by searching for every page on Google?
I actually bought a book that I found through Google Books. I only needed maybe 5 pages out of the entire book and it was such a PITA to search out each individual page i broke down and bought it. Turned out that the authors were a bunch of idiots and the book was wrong, but they have my money and so therefore Google books was a net win for those jackasses.
Blame the education system in my country where they taught it to me as a third language. Stoopid system!
Don't worry, we all have ADHD around here. We'll make fun of your English as a third language skills for a day or two and then move on to something else.
just looked that up. I have been Linux since 1 floppy days and did not know about that. Thank you.
Just note that if you do /* it will not require the flag. It'll still nuke your entire disk.
The likely hood of this happening is slim, but I sometimes wonder if a minor change is really not that bad. In this case, change rm to NOT allow /, until -t/--top is added. Then it is allowed.
With this minor change, it could save noobs from themselves and would like not be used that often in the first place.
They've got an even better one, and it's been in rm for a while. --no-preserve-root
Can you spell "test"?
Can you use it in a sentence please? Oh wait no never mind. I think I've got it! D-O-I-T-L-I-V-E???
Questions circling: What, exactly, was Hillary truly aware of at the time, from a technical standpoint?
Irrelevant. She's required to undergo annual security training. During that time you are trained to not mix secure systems or networks with insecure systems or networks. If she did not know the rules then that is her fault. She agreed to uphold them and certified that she attended her annual training. If she did not know, it is her fault.
What, exactly, was Hillary truly aware of at the time, from a political standpoint?
I don't see how politics fall into this whatsoever. This is purely a criminal matter (the email server). Whether she did anything illegal for political reasons is irrelevant as far as the email server itself goes.
Exactly what documents were classified, and when (one of the arguments is that some documents were retroactively marked classified)?
The fact of the matter is that the document does not have to be marked as classified. If she knew or should have known that the documents were classified then she should have treated the documents as such.
Not that I have a full understanding of the whole private email server fiasco (TLDR requested), but either she was indited for a crime and a warrant could legally be issued for said emails, or there wasn't just cause, in which case these privacy protections would prevent officers from going on a fishing trip. What are you arguing for exactly?
This. "Servergate" seems to be largely being propagated by people who don't seem to know how email works. If I'm allowed to access, for example, classified emails from a personal device, then they are, by defnition, copied to that device. Whether that device is a "server" or not is utterly irrelevant.
Your opinion is obviously propagated by someone who does not understand how information security works at that level. At no time was Hillary Clinton authorized to send these documents to her private email server. That's why Hillary first asked for an approved Blackberry device from the NSA. They said no, she threw a fit and then illegally disseminated the email to her private server. Even if the email was not marked as classified, she's not off the hook. The rules clearly state that if you believe that the information could or should be classified then you must treat it as such. If you did exactly as she did, you'd already be in jail. Trust me. I used to have to deal with this sort of thing. People who have to deal with this sort of thing are briefed on the rules annually. She knew or should have known that she was violating the rules.
Disability is the new welfare. It is another place we hide true unemployment numbers. In a time where every business has to be handicapped accessible and when most of us that earn a good living do so by basically sitting on our arse all day in front of a monitor, the term "permanently disabled" with the possible exceptions of quadriplegics and such strikes me as pretty ridiculous.
I have to say that your post made me pretty angry. I have a degenerative neck injury. While I am perfectly capable of getting around and living a relatively active lifestyle, there are days where I can't get out of bed. Eventually I will probably have to go on disability. Sure I sit at a desk all day but what employer wants to put up with me being unable to work randomly because I'm in too much pain? As it is now I take more time off work than I'd like going to doctors appointments and for treatment. Every 6-18 months I have to have a nerve ablation. It's a pretty painful procedure but I'd already be on disability now without it. I've managed to hold down a job despite my injury for the last 7 years. If I'm lucky I'll be able to make it another 20 before it becomes too much. I have no interest in going on disability but I will be surprised if I can avoid it my entire life. Crack a few vertebrae in your neck and tell me how you feel even when youre "just sitting on your arse all day."