This story was interesting the first 3-4 times I read it. I'd like to propose a ban on new "Hey look what I did" water cooled stories. Below is a partial list of "water cooled" stories that have appeared here on/. in the past
NT was being used as an RTOS in a critical military application. You are correct, the wrong tool was used. (That was the point of my original post) Linux, BTW, also would have been the wrong choice too; it doesn't support "hard" real time. In this case it was more like a broken fisher price screw driver (NT) being used where a finely tuned nail gun was needed (QNX or it's ilk).
The germans are amatuers....
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I don't think anyone here beleives the failure on the Yorktown was entirly or even mostly the fault of Microsoft. But, they DO bear some of the blame. NT failed in a "life and limb" critical systems type situation. NT has NO business being deployed where a fault tolerant, hardend, RTOS belongs. Basically, Canadian Aviation Electronics Inc. F'd up big time. But, NT F'd up here too. As Dodd pointed out, a cascade of application errors resulted in a cascade of OS failures. That should NEVER happen in critical systems.
If the database application or the clients running on the NT system crash, then sure it's due the the DB. But, if there is a LAN failure do to an application crash on the system, then we have an additional problem, NT. Yes, the DB dividing by zero caused the crash of the DB server. But there's no way a simple application error should bring down the entire OS. THAT IS A FAILURE OF NT!
According to DiGiorgio, who in an interview said he has serviced automated control systems on Navy ships for the past 26 years, the NT operating system is the source of the Yorktown's computer problems.
This is flat out one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Worse than those Navy crusiers running on NT 4.0 (when the systems crashed the ships went dead in the water IIRC)
Katz, yet again you live up to your moronic reputation. The movie sucked royally. I haven't seen a movie that bad in a long time. Thank god for a short running time. I can't count the number of product placements, plugs and corny-assed jokes I witnessed last night. The only thing missing was an overly obvious placement for the Segway like I've seen in nearly every sitcom on TV lately. Mercedes, Sprint, Cohiba, Mountain Dew and countless other plugs made me sick. Then Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson stepped in. I almost threw up. But yeah, go see the movie, Katz always seems to know what he's talking about.
Given how Cyc is fed data, I almost see giving it answers to moral questions unavoidable. Cyc will inievitably reflect the mores and values held by the individual entering the "common sense" data cyc holds. Same goes for socieital norms.
Eg. "eggs are breakfast food" isn't too moral, but it is relative to the individual and socieity.
Eg. "freedom is man's natural state" makes sense to me, but not chairman mao.
My point though, is that "common sense" isn't universal. So there probably could be as many cyc systems as there are people all with slightly different views of the world. The current cyc just wouldn't be complete without some moral context, even if it doesn't match your own.
Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, but, a web-site that just "installs" a program on my computer unbeknownst to me seems not too unlike me sending company X an email that "installs" a program on their computer unbeknownst to them. Yeah, IANAL and all that bull.
When I read the name of the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel I immediately put together it's acromyn, but slightly revised to my own fruedian interpetation... (Copyright Royalty Arbitration Panel or CRAP)
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Furthermore, what's to stop someone from cooking a LARGE amount of popcorn in some poor professors house? This is serious stuff!
Even if it were possible to get my work done without any drop in productivity, I'd never agree to work under those conditions. I'll never forget the time a co-worker of mine caught the head sys-admin attempting to just install virus software on his desktop machine. He ripped the sys-admin a new one at the top of his lungs for everyone to hear. I laughed over that for weeks.
what's good for the pirates is good for RIAA
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If they have the right to DOS a site then so should we. DDOS RIAA and all memeber companies back to the stone age if they try that shit.
You are partly correct when you say that the terrorists won't "upgrade" to gov't backdoored software. Mistakes will be made just as they are in any organization. Sometimes all the intel community needs is a lucky break. So when some dope terrorist installs a backdoored version of NAI's pgg... Anyhow if we are turely in a state of war I see this as a temporary evil we need to live with. There are limits to that logic, but I think it may apply here.
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1) no entry from passenger comparment to cockpit. (ie. no door, steel plated firewall)
2) federal marshalls on every flight
3) regular security checks at all airports. Airports subject to lengthy closures if they fail.
4) no carry on bags, not even a purse.
5) pat downs in addition to metal detectors.
6) serious deterance. Nuke Kabul, Afg.
Quick write your congressmen! We need a law to ban ALL copyrighted material on the net! Corporations and copyright holders are under threat and we need to protect them from their own mistakes. This way we may prevent these sorts of IP crisis in the future.
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The thing looks like an impaled laptop. Also, why would you want a laptop sized keybord for your desktop?
water cooled power supply
Water Cooling Made Easy
Some water cooled case
A guide to water cooling
Yrt another DIY Guide
On OTS water cooled...
Another water cooled Power Supply
Fish tanks says it all...
Another water cooled story..
When physicists do water cooling...
Hmmm let me guess... another water cooled story
The original?
NT was being used as an RTOS in a critical military application. You are correct, the wrong tool was used. (That was the point of my original post) Linux, BTW, also would have been the wrong choice too; it doesn't support "hard" real time. In this case it was more like a broken fisher price screw driver (NT) being used where a finely tuned nail gun was needed (QNX or it's ilk).
The ultimate in spud guns...
I don't think anyone here beleives the failure on the Yorktown was entirly or even mostly the fault of Microsoft. But, they DO bear some of the blame. NT failed in a "life and limb" critical systems type situation. NT has NO business being deployed where a fault tolerant, hardend, RTOS belongs. Basically, Canadian Aviation Electronics Inc. F'd up big time. But, NT F'd up here too. As Dodd pointed out, a cascade of application errors resulted in a cascade of OS failures. That should NEVER happen in critical systems.
If the database application or the clients running on the NT system crash, then sure it's due the the DB. But, if there is a LAN failure do to an application crash on the system, then we have an additional problem, NT. Yes, the DB dividing by zero caused the crash of the DB server. But there's no way a simple application error should bring down the entire OS. THAT IS A FAILURE OF NT!
According to DiGiorgio, who in an interview said he has serviced automated control systems on Navy ships for the past 26 years, the NT operating system is the source of the Yorktown's computer problems.
Navy ships dead in the water
This is flat out one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Worse than those Navy crusiers running on NT 4.0 (when the systems crashed the ships went dead in the water IIRC)
So exactly what forms of slavery would not be a "problem"?
Katz, yet again you live up to your moronic reputation. The movie sucked royally. I haven't seen a movie that bad in a long time. Thank god for a short running time. I can't count the number of product placements, plugs and corny-assed jokes I witnessed last night. The only thing missing was an overly obvious placement for the Segway like I've seen in nearly every sitcom on TV lately. Mercedes, Sprint, Cohiba, Mountain Dew and countless other plugs made me sick. Then Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson stepped in. I almost threw up. But yeah, go see the movie, Katz always seems to know what he's talking about.
Eg. "eggs are breakfast food" isn't too moral, but it is relative to the individual and socieity.
Eg. "freedom is man's natural state" makes sense to me, but not chairman mao.
My point though, is that "common sense" isn't universal. So there probably could be as many cyc systems as there are people all with slightly different views of the world. The current cyc just wouldn't be complete without some moral context, even if it doesn't match your own.
Just my 2 cents
Well at least no American I know has ever put a "fag" in his mouth.
Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, but, a web-site that just "installs" a program on my computer unbeknownst to me seems not too unlike me sending company X an email that "installs" a program on their computer unbeknownst to them. Yeah, IANAL and all that bull.
When I read the name of the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel I immediately put together it's acromyn, but slightly revised to my own fruedian interpetation... (Copyright Royalty Arbitration Panel or CRAP)
Furthermore, what's to stop someone from cooking a LARGE amount of popcorn in some poor professors house? This is serious stuff!
Even if it were possible to get my work done without any drop in productivity, I'd never agree to work under those conditions. I'll never forget the time a co-worker of mine caught the head sys-admin attempting to just install virus software on his desktop machine. He ripped the sys-admin a new one at the top of his lungs for everyone to hear. I laughed over that for weeks.
If they have the right to DOS a site then so should we. DDOS RIAA and all memeber companies back to the stone age if they try that shit.
You are partly correct when you say that the terrorists won't "upgrade" to gov't backdoored software. Mistakes will be made just as they are in any organization. Sometimes all the intel community needs is a lucky break. So when some dope terrorist installs a backdoored version of NAI's pgg... Anyhow if we are turely in a state of war I see this as a temporary evil we need to live with. There are limits to that logic, but I think it may apply here.
1) no entry from passenger comparment to cockpit. (ie. no door, steel plated firewall)
2) federal marshalls on every flight
3) regular security checks at all airports. Airports subject to lengthy closures if they fail.
4) no carry on bags, not even a purse.
5) pat downs in addition to metal detectors.
6) serious deterance. Nuke Kabul, Afg.
I think I meant by the copyright holders. Don't allow copyright holders to dist. their own material. Guess the jope bombed
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BTW
I'd like to critique this photo of his:
I think it sucks.
http://www.showmethegold.com/showme.html
http://www.goldrush1849.com/
Not don't go any make any images there your desktop background or slashdot the site or anything.
Quick write your congressmen! We need a law to ban ALL copyrighted material on the net! Corporations and copyright holders are under threat and we need to protect them from their own mistakes. This way we may prevent these sorts of IP crisis in the future.
Let's do the same for text. God forbid we end up with the napsterisation of copyrighted text.