I am also invested in amd but I have to say this. Look at the valuation (book value) of the chips. Every intel share you buy is worth about $0.33 worth of assets. So you have to hope they triple their worth for your share to be worth the $1 you invest per share.
Amd's book value is about $1.40 for every $1 you invest. So if they liquidated and sold everything for their market value (I know, a stretch) you would gain 40% on your investment.
And even though I love dell, their book value is about 16x its stock price. So people are betting Dell takes over the market from what I can gather.
Its just business, leave the emotions at the door if you want to perform your best. Microsoft did in 1981 and if linux wants a bigger market they will too.
And it wasn't hard at all. All my hardware was recognized instantly and the only annoying thing was the ads for MSN.
I have never installed redhat but unless it has complete driver support I would never recommend it to a friend. Even the best games have trouble with different hardware configurations. I doubt with today's linux driver support that the average Joe would ever prefer a linux installation over XP.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention how nice it is to hear a comparison of Linux and Windows from linuxworld.com. Now if I could only ask Michael Dell's opinion for my next computer purchase?
I'm not saying they are right. But a duel G4 system was losing out to an Athlon 1.6gighz.
I do imagine the price in those machines is quite a difference. Its $61 for an Athlon 1600. If Intel has a hard time price matching that performance, I can only imagine Mac has deemed it impossible to match that speed for $60.
A true UNIX environment? Oh yay. The only time I ever used unix was at school to program for 4 years. I did get used to it after a while and can see it doesn't have any major defects. But in our copy I couldn't even just double click an mp3 file to play. I could watch the videos I downloaded either. Now I saw senior unix people there doing it but even when I wanted to try to get it to work I would end up downloading some tar ball file and wouldn't even know how to unzip it. Let alone compile it.
So please don't praise Unix to me. It was purely a programming station for me. Not a user station.
And in case you are going to respond about my professors not setting it all up in the first place, why should they have to? I put in a windows XP cd and eveything on my computer works. Files, hardware installed. No compiling or tar files.
almost all users? Almost all windows users wouldn't know how to transfer their mp3 collection, office documents, favorite sites, etc, etc without a cd burner.
Maybe if their computer son/family member got a new mac and transferred it for them it would be fine once they loaded it up.
As for me, is there any program to load a list of music videos? I use media player b/c I can make a playlist of my 600+ music video collection. Its a nice way to create my own MTV2 channel but I never saw an option for quicktime or other media players.
If I could run all my Xbox games on the gamecube would I waste $150 and switch over? Hell no. So why should you spend time and money switching over.
And we all know that Mac's hardware is not less expensive.
What they need to provide is not only the ability to do everything on a PC...BUT MORE. I am sure there are things only Mac people can do but the list of PC things is the only thing I can think of (games games games).
They way they talk on the commericals I could transport everything I have, put it over on a mac, and it works flawlessly. It runs faster and never crashes. And it only costs me a bit more for the machine.*
However, I think the linux people here are fine and windows XP doesn't quite crash like Windows ME did. I don't have to reboot for days now. For a desktop machine, its better you shut it down at night anyways to save electricity. I think Mac's arguement is too little too late.
* Excludes the mental bills for using their mouse for any period of time.
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The Mac shows how a great system with all the best features can not be worth a damn if they don't have the products to back it up. Think of the tens of thousands, the hundreds of thousands, of small 32 bit programs are out on download.com right now. You can't use one of them on the itaniam. No kazaa, no winamp, no aim, no small shareware/freeware apps, and no GAMES!!! If Intel thinks they are going to get a desktop switch over to 64 bit in the next two years b/c they have a faster chip then they must have accidently hired some old Apple employees.
And I have no clue if the mac OS is more stable, faster, etc. But I'm just going from what mac people tell me:)
With my college it doesn't matter how much bandwidth they throw at us it eventually gets used somehow. So much they put filters during parts of the day so the library can actually get online.
my mom can barely type on the keyboard and hit the print button with accidently getting out of her element (getting mixed with different windows, accidently changing the font/size of text). The littlest things can scare moms and your asking them to abandon all and try a different OS. If virtual memory is that much of a problem then please mom by throwing in an extra 128megs and telling her to hit the reset button. Trust me, thats the option that should be taken.
After the whole "Mac people are smarter" and this new "more linux" attacks are coming out I would like to see more ratios. The more people on a system causes more attacks to go up, most likely expodentially. Why make a mac or linux virus that exploits their browsers when your only getting such a small part of the market.
I would take a guess and say windows systems have more expoitable code than linux and mac but does this fact only become apparrent b/c of their market share? If apple had 96% of the market and windows had 4% would we have that many people attacking (or even hear about it for that matter) windows users like we do now?
I think this is also the reason we don't have too many cell phone/pda virus or attacks....yet.
Actually this sort of happened to me. I was running a not so legal server and got my service shut down. I was a stupid high school bandwidth junkie so I totally deserved it.
If someone wants to host Episode II for everyone in the world to download he should face the consequences. It isn't exactly like the people who are downloading the movie are backing up their own copy.
We have the slashdot effect, we have the tools to attack, why don't we take a page from Bush's book and go on the offensive? It may be illegal to attack a server for a long period of time but who gets in trouble for attacking a url for 20min of approximently 20-30 megs of random data sent at them? Espcially if its a spammer's webpage off in Asia.
Now take 20,000+ people doing this at random times during the day. It wouldn't be hard to fuck up some ISPs big time and make them think twice about open ended policies with spammers.
What the hell could they do to 20,000 - 100,000 people if they all attacked a know spammer? I'm sure the FBI will get right on that:) Is there any law about sending bad packets for 20-60min at a time or is it pretty ambigious?
Their bandwidth costs would skyrocket and it would soon become unprofitable to spam (only way to stop a business is to make it unprofitable. Spam only stops with fines or attacks).
The only problem I see is the tools are mostly in linux (and like bipartisianship, we need Bi-OSing for an offensive) so we need a simple "enter url, push button" kind of interface for all linux, windows, and Mac users. Yes windows users, we could use Mac user's help too, for our enemy of our enemy is our friend. A simple small webpage to update who is the "attack of the day" would be very easy. Hell, make it a screensaver that updates itself daily and attacks randomly, never enough to incur any personal penalty.
Serious mode: This industry was created for one purpose (same as any other industry (meaning 1 billion + US dollars of revenue per year) which is money. It wasn't created for creativity which is more of a good side effect. Kind of like how war can create some cool gizmos, video games can create some cool art. And this dated back to the Atari 2600 (first successful display of video games making money from what I can remember. And if I'm wrong don't point it out b/c my point is not that fact but that gaming has been about money ever since pong carried a large audience).
Playful mode: You fly kite, I play warcraft 3, we're some happy people.
People here act like this game was supposed to change the world or something.
Only Warcraft1 was evolutionary. Warcraft2, Starcraft, and Warcraft3 are nothing new. Orcs and humans, grunts and knights vs. orgres and orcs. Its been the same since those old pixalated days. So why when Warcraft3 comes out with the same exact thing does everyone throw their nose in the air condemning it?
ID software just kept remaking doom. First it was quake1, then quake2, then quake3. Now doom3. No changes there either. Another example of a solid company just doing what they do best.
Warcraft2 and starcraft proved pure quality even though they didn't evolutionize anything. So why can't warcraft3? Quake1/2/3 showed quality (to a lot of ppl, not everyone) and Doom3 will almost certainly show quality with its engine.
Just like in the movie industry, its extremely hard to find something new that create a large new base of fans. Ska and techno slightly did it in music recently but its extremely tough.
I know all the critics will disappear six months from now when its recognized for being a solid game to play over and over. And the single player plays like a good movie offering 2+ days of gaming.
In conclusion, if you call yourself a gamer and don't hate the rts genre then this is a good buy.
My friend has had a win95 router box up for months. Could be years now without a reboot. Uptime is all relative imho. Now keeping days of uptime with aim, icq, outlook express, internet explorer, word, winamp, and then playing a game randomly is tough. Its all relative to what conflicts.
by warezing it and they haven't stopped playing it for the past two weeks. So I guess there goes $110 in sales for Blizzard already, let's hear it for consumer stealing!
I fully understand why Blizzard stopped bnet. And if more slashdot people had warez kiddie friends that sit on file sharing programs all day downloading apps and games you would understand why too. I have seen the effects of an open source project on blizzard's games and all I saw that came of it was thievery from free internet play.
So I grudgely support closed servers and cd key checks. Its a pain but it the best solution available.
settle down big guy. Its not like Incubus is going to start driving trucks with their cds and selling out of their van. And neither will the Rolling Stones start boxing up their cds to send to fed ex. Making all those cds, packaging them, and paying the music store employees all cost...you guess it, money! Right now the RIAA takes too much from the artists but we do need major distributors or dumb teenagers can't buy their crappy music they only like:
a.) friends like it b.) guy/girl singing is hot c.) funny lyrics/music video
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I swear I will return it in good condition :)
I am also invested in amd but I have to say this. Look at the valuation (book value) of the chips. Every intel share you buy is worth about $0.33 worth of assets. So you have to hope they triple their worth for your share to be worth the $1 you invest per share.
Amd's book value is about $1.40 for every $1 you invest. So if they liquidated and sold everything for their market value (I know, a stretch) you would gain 40% on your investment.
And even though I love dell, their book value is about 16x its stock price. So people are betting Dell takes over the market from what I can gather.
"Microsoft Sinks Teeth Into New Orleans"
with a counter headline being something like
"Linux wins over hearts and souls of Germany"
Its just business, leave the emotions at the door if you want to perform your best. Microsoft did in 1981 and if linux wants a bigger market they will too.
Is this the update that adds the funny?
And it wasn't hard at all. All my hardware was recognized instantly and the only annoying thing was the ads for MSN.
I have never installed redhat but unless it has complete driver support I would never recommend it to a friend. Even the best games have trouble with different hardware configurations. I doubt with today's linux driver support that the average Joe would ever prefer a linux installation over XP.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention how nice it is to hear a comparison of Linux and Windows from linuxworld.com. Now if I could only ask Michael Dell's opinion for my next computer purchase?
http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html
I'm not saying they are right. But a duel G4 system was losing out to an Athlon 1.6gighz.
I do imagine the price in those machines is quite a difference. Its $61 for an Athlon 1600. If Intel has a hard time price matching that performance, I can only imagine Mac has deemed it impossible to match that speed for $60.
Can they compare (using Q3 benchmarks) if the P4 2.53gighz is faster than the new Mac cpus?
Has anyone done it?
The latte(s) could get expensive there. Mac user would if he could put it on his tab. Unix person otherwise since he most likely makes the big bucks.
A true UNIX environment? Oh yay. The only time I ever used unix was at school to program for 4 years. I did get used to it after a while and can see it doesn't have any major defects. But in our copy I couldn't even just double click an mp3 file to play. I could watch the videos I downloaded either. Now I saw senior unix people there doing it but even when I wanted to try to get it to work I would end up downloading some tar ball file and wouldn't even know how to unzip it. Let alone compile it.
So please don't praise Unix to me. It was purely a programming station for me. Not a user station.
And in case you are going to respond about my professors not setting it all up in the first place, why should they have to? I put in a windows XP cd and eveything on my computer works. Files, hardware installed. No compiling or tar files.
I sure as hell hope OS X does this and more.
almost all users? Almost all windows users wouldn't know how to transfer their mp3 collection, office documents, favorite sites, etc, etc without a cd burner.
Maybe if their computer son/family member got a new mac and transferred it for them it would be fine once they loaded it up.
As for me, is there any program to load a list of music videos? I use media player b/c I can make a playlist of my 600+ music video collection. Its a nice way to create my own MTV2 channel but I never saw an option for quicktime or other media players.
If I could run all my Xbox games on the gamecube would I waste $150 and switch over? Hell no. So why should you spend time and money switching over.
And we all know that Mac's hardware is not less expensive.
What they need to provide is not only the ability to do everything on a PC...BUT MORE. I am sure there are things only Mac people can do but the list of PC things is the only thing I can think of (games games games).
They way they talk on the commericals I could transport everything I have, put it over on a mac, and it works flawlessly. It runs faster and never crashes. And it only costs me a bit more for the machine.*
However, I think the linux people here are fine and windows XP doesn't quite crash like Windows ME did. I don't have to reboot for days now. For a desktop machine, its better you shut it down at night anyways to save electricity. I think Mac's arguement is too little too late.
* Excludes the mental bills for using their mouse for any period of time.
The Mac shows how a great system with all the best features can not be worth a damn if they don't have the products to back it up. Think of the tens of thousands, the hundreds of thousands, of small 32 bit programs are out on download.com right now. You can't use one of them on the itaniam. No kazaa, no winamp, no aim, no small shareware/freeware apps, and no GAMES!!! If Intel thinks they are going to get a desktop switch over to 64 bit in the next two years b/c they have a faster chip then they must have accidently hired some old Apple employees.
:)
And I have no clue if the mac OS is more stable, faster, etc. But I'm just going from what mac people tell me
With my college it doesn't matter how much bandwidth they throw at us it eventually gets used somehow. So much they put filters during parts of the day so the library can actually get online.
:)
Hopefully it won't all go to kazaa
my mom can barely type on the keyboard and hit the print button with accidently getting out of her element (getting mixed with different windows, accidently changing the font/size of text). The littlest things can scare moms and your asking them to abandon all and try a different OS. If virtual memory is that much of a problem then please mom by throwing in an extra 128megs and telling her to hit the reset button. Trust me, thats the option that should be taken.
After the whole "Mac people are smarter" and this new "more linux" attacks are coming out I would like to see more ratios. The more people on a system causes more attacks to go up, most likely expodentially. Why make a mac or linux virus that exploits their browsers when your only getting such a small part of the market.
I would take a guess and say windows systems have more expoitable code than linux and mac but does this fact only become apparrent b/c of their market share? If apple had 96% of the market and windows had 4% would we have that many people attacking (or even hear about it for that matter) windows users like we do now?
I think this is also the reason we don't have too many cell phone/pda virus or attacks....yet.
Actually this sort of happened to me. I was running a not so legal server and got my service shut down. I was a stupid high school bandwidth junkie so I totally deserved it.
If someone wants to host Episode II for everyone in the world to download he should face the consequences. It isn't exactly like the people who are downloading the movie are backing up their own copy.
We have the slashdot effect, we have the tools to attack, why don't we take a page from Bush's book and go on the offensive? It may be illegal to attack a server for a long period of time but who gets in trouble for attacking a url for 20min of approximently 20-30 megs of random data sent at them? Espcially if its a spammer's webpage off in Asia.
:) Is there any law about sending bad packets for 20-60min at a time or is it pretty ambigious?
Now take 20,000+ people doing this at random times during the day. It wouldn't be hard to fuck up some ISPs big time and make them think twice about open ended policies with spammers.
What the hell could they do to 20,000 - 100,000 people if they all attacked a know spammer? I'm sure the FBI will get right on that
Their bandwidth costs would skyrocket and it would soon become unprofitable to spam (only way to stop a business is to make it unprofitable. Spam only stops with fines or attacks).
The only problem I see is the tools are mostly in linux (and like bipartisianship, we need Bi-OSing for an offensive) so we need a simple "enter url, push button" kind of interface for all linux, windows, and Mac users. Yes windows users, we could use Mac user's help too, for our enemy of our enemy is our friend. A simple small webpage to update who is the "attack of the day" would be very easy. Hell, make it a screensaver that updates itself daily and attacks randomly, never enough to incur any personal penalty.
Serious mode: This industry was created for one purpose (same as any other industry (meaning 1 billion + US dollars of revenue per year) which is money. It wasn't created for creativity which is more of a good side effect. Kind of like how war can create some cool gizmos, video games can create some cool art. And this dated back to the Atari 2600 (first successful display of video games making money from what I can remember. And if I'm wrong don't point it out b/c my point is not that fact but that gaming has been about money ever since pong carried a large audience).
Playful mode: You fly kite, I play warcraft 3, we're some happy people.
(btw, thanks for the interesting reponse anon)
People here act like this game was supposed to change the world or something.
Only Warcraft1 was evolutionary. Warcraft2, Starcraft, and Warcraft3 are nothing new. Orcs and humans, grunts and knights vs. orgres and orcs. Its been the same since those old pixalated days. So why when Warcraft3 comes out with the same exact thing does everyone throw their nose in the air condemning it?
ID software just kept remaking doom. First it was quake1, then quake2, then quake3. Now doom3. No changes there either. Another example of a solid company just doing what they do best.
Warcraft2 and starcraft proved pure quality even though they didn't evolutionize anything. So why can't warcraft3? Quake1/2/3 showed quality (to a lot of ppl, not everyone) and Doom3 will almost certainly show quality with its engine.
Just like in the movie industry, its extremely hard to find something new that create a large new base of fans. Ska and techno slightly did it in music recently but its extremely tough.
I know all the critics will disappear six months from now when its recognized for being a solid game to play over and over. And the single player plays like a good movie offering 2+ days of gaming.
In conclusion, if you call yourself a gamer and don't hate the rts genre then this is a good buy.
My friend has had a win95 router box up for months. Could be years now without a reboot. Uptime is all relative imho. Now keeping days of uptime with aim, icq, outlook express, internet explorer, word, winamp, and then playing a game randomly is tough. Its all relative to what conflicts.
by warezing it and they haven't stopped playing it for the past two weeks. So I guess there goes $110 in sales for Blizzard already, let's hear it for consumer stealing!
I fully understand why Blizzard stopped bnet. And if more slashdot people had warez kiddie friends that sit on file sharing programs all day downloading apps and games you would understand why too. I have seen the effects of an open source project on blizzard's games and all I saw that came of it was thievery from free internet play.
So I grudgely support closed servers and cd key checks. Its a pain but it the best solution available.
settle down big guy. Its not like Incubus is going to start driving trucks with their cds and selling out of their van. And neither will the Rolling Stones start boxing up their cds to send to fed ex. Making all those cds, packaging them, and paying the music store employees all cost...you guess it, money! Right now the RIAA takes too much from the artists but we do need major distributors or dumb teenagers can't buy their crappy music they only like:
a.) friends like it
b.) guy/girl singing is hot
c.) funny lyrics/music video
And I was so sure Joe Blow's Teletech company was going to outlast Comcast with telecoms down 90% over the past year.
Not just obvious, but INCONCIEVABLE!
Me too...linux! Wait, what was the subject again?