Why? By the long-established ethics of the marketplace, Ritz has no problem (ethical or logistical) in saying 'Caveat emptor', leaving it up to the marketplace to accept the value they offer (even if they're getting the parts at 3 cents a ton and pulling down a 99% margin). What responsibility does the buyer have to their business model? To pay the going price, or negotiate a different one. Nobody is defrauding or stealing from Ritz. The marketplace has no duty to a particular vision of the future; this is the fundamental problem with the DMCA in the first place. I don't see that you've demonstrated any real ethical/moral problem here - your assumptions about the marketplace relationship are flawed.
Excuse me, but my main point was that it is not ethical, moral or harmless as the post I was replying to stated. And my secondary point was this us just more fuel for the Pro-DMCA crowd.
And the response correctly noted your error in the first point. As for the second point, this "pro-DMCA crowd" would either be making the same mistake you have, or cynically gaming the legal system for profit. The relative likelihoods of either possibility is left as an exercise for the student.
Your argument is tantamount to saying that it's ok to rape a girl if she's "dressed like she wants it". Poor judgement or decisions may be a factor in becoming vicitimized, but it doesn't mean it's ok to be the victimizer.
Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? Nobody's assaulting any humans here. The correct analogy is perhaps that of a hooker who discovers that having hard-core sex in a downtown doorway results in a crowd who satisfies themselves without paying her. Time to change MO, or accept the losses.
The camera is a salable artifact, offered to the market for what value it may have. Finding value in the product in a way that the vendor didn't foresee is absolutely ethical, moral, and harmless. Indeed, trumping up the DMCA to prevent this kind of behavior is the harmful alternative, since it would unfairly distort the marketplace to limit the market's behavior to the vendor's imagination. Hmmm, the 'merger of state and corporate power'... I've heard that somehwere before...
So yes, I do feel sorry for them, although that was totally not the point of my post.
No, it was the subtext and premise, and your pity is misplaced.
Do all business plans have to include a "how to we keep from getting f*cked by geeks" section?
Erm, since Day One, when its "f*cked by our own oversights" as in this case. Should it be illegal to develop your own snapshots instead of taking them to the Jiffy Foto where you bought the film? Puh-leeze.
No 11 year old girl in the projects has ever pillaged a vessel on the high seas.
It now costs the price of a band's kit, a workstation and a CDR spindle to make an album, and webhosting to market it. The rest is hype and executive cocaine to make you think that Britney et al. could ever shine the shoes of real artists, or that a CD is on loan to you by the favor of the Lord High RIAA.
You can copy a CD you own to your heart's content. You can sell or give away a CD you own, with abandon. It's illegal to sell or give away COPIES of a CD you own, unless you created the content.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled innuendo, implication, semantic differential, and other neural programming.
Hence, the need for something outside of the system that will do the job of undercutting and buying off.
That's the most important part - it has to come from outside the system, and even outside the environment that supports the system. The real-world implementations of government are a product of the S&M dynamic in the first place - grabbing votes/cash from the rich and poor by promising to protect each from the other. The morph of the gameboard will come from the attraction of success stories that broadcast the generosity meme: what's good for all of us is good for one of us. It has to come in easy steps, like solving a student's simple Net problems with a Knoppix CD. And it won't happen wholesale (Linux desktop dominance surpassing MS quickly), but it must remain unstoppable at the margins (the unsanctioned substance 'problem' has plagued gummints for centuries).
I picked Big Drug for my example both for its involvement with DNA as information, and because its oppression is ripe for toppling (US citizens are finding out how unfree our markets can be when trying to get their meds in Canada). Fads like 'rejuvelac' or other mystery ferments that circulate the alt.supplement underground may be early examples. It won't even matter that few such things actually work right now - the meme will persist, if it does, because it speaks to real human need. The peptide companies today are zeroing in on cheaper IDs for your DNA of choice. Later the grad student underground may use it to find a 'cure beer' for $INFIRMITY; then the agitprop starts a la DARE/RIAA about how 'unsafe' it is; then a startup creates a test for God Fearing Parents to check the purity of Johnny's precious bodily fluids; then the mass underground can test for product quality; etc... ( I wonder if dealers today use pee test innards to check product quality?...). The solutions need to survive the game of 'telephone', such that the notion of benefit (however vague, e.g. 'solar power saves money') gets entrenched, against all Cheney-oid assurances of unfeasibility. Then as the tipping point hits, people are ready with a wink and a nod even as they salute the flag at their sewing circles. There are lots of sadder but wiser Californian squares putting up panels this fall...
<insert musings here about women's social leverage , however gentle and constructive, being scary enough to provoke male oppression, yet survive against it>
I think we're reinventing communism as something that only makes sense as the flip side of pure capitalism.
$DEITY, I hope not. For the reasons above, any real step forward can't be an ideological exercise, but rather must be a set of nudges, of subtle decisions and one-on-one interactions that distribute the survival info among real-life humans in a real-life way, resistant to emotional hallucination. As it says here, "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
It's a hard road being a freak, but the well-behaved rarely make history. Cheers!
So on the one hand, get those with power to stop heightening their power by exploiting it- on the other, get those without power to learn to tolerate other people being wealthier than them.
Deal with exploiters in power by undercutting them, as Free Software does with the proprietary giants. Pharma companies will have a hard time if every Deadhead has the diabetes-cure microbe culture, etc....
Deal with the whiners by buying them off. The Berkeleyite diabetic needn't be preaching to Congress about their pathetic plight if they're cured and at home perfecting a cheaper, cleaner waste heat/electricity converter.
The emotional ones on either side will still cause a ruckus; we'll laugh at the White Wringers going purple over the happy hedonists, and weep at the RIAA^2 pogroms as the heavy pharma monoliths crash, countered by a samizdat of the descendants of meth labs in vans. We'll giggle at the tiresome leftie speechifiers bereft of an audience because the cookout started, and wince at having to police the ones who misuse the mobile labs for terror. Love it or hate it, we suffer with our delusion until we get bored and drop it (buddhism meets cognitive therapy on a grand scale, hated by the right and the left). History will still convulse, and brighten in the long run. The Vatican's fist cowed swaths of nations 400 years ago, but ultimately they did not age gracefully, whereas Galileo's work did, even if he was a pain in the ass personally.
Now back to work on that kitchen-table nanomachine fab.... (no, those little patterns, the paisley ones - oh they moved - uhh,....)
Why shouldn't we put everyone out of work? We need neither the vindictiveness of mercantilist gouging under cover of the label 'capitalist', or the lazy poverty of diggers masquerading as 'socialist'. Both these factions are merely taking out their S&M neuroses on the rest of us. Like moths to the flame, both assume that the wealth they see is all that exists, and the game is thus zero-sum - what feeds the capitalist barracuda must bleed the poor children (won't someone please think.. never mind), and that what feeds the munching masses must bleed those who apply themselves and produce.
There's enough nuclear energy blasting down over time to support 100 billion spacefaring Earthlings (or to fry them all), and enough information in the planetary DNA library (5G years of research into no-holds-barred competition/collaboration) to keep us in Phd papers and lobster-flavored luaus indefinitely.
Halliburton/Brown & Root can drop a functioning military CCC outpost anywhere in the world in 5 containers and 24 hours. What if that horrid poison pill contained indefinite sustenance for 30 people instead? Most of the strife involved in our rich/poor dichotomy involves centralization that the Net has shown us we no longer need. Let's bag scarcity and concentrate on getting the robots to serve us properly, and stop creating piles of resources we don't know how to mine ("landfills" and "atmospheric CO2"). The greed and testosterone poisoning which suckers us into blood sports is a dead end; far better we raise a world of curious hackers who value the richness in material complexity that we call wealth (and eschew the gadgets of bullying that one might call "illth").
It all depends on what we want. Employment? What would a world of geeks do with the galaxy of hi-tech toys it would take to support the above, besides improve it all day for free, especially if it produced paradise in the process?
This post brought to you by some old hippies, Timothy Leary, and several thousand doses.
And how hard would it be to make pincers with 1cm^2 tips that can deliver 1kW+ pulses at 10ms or so? The average stock-clerk use for this would imply that they're easy to apply, thus close to the surface and/or edge of most items...
Just googling "bush nuclear "first use" ' brings up all sorts of links - here and here for starters. This shite was on the news for a few instants, among all the other obnoxious noise and probably juxtaposed with unemployment news or the abortion debate. The neocon cabal (tinnc) uses this type of 'shiny thing/booga booga' distraction to great effect lately, coupled with the 'Dopeler effect' - the effect of stupid ideas seeming smarter if they come at you fast.
Thank Heaven that Michael Powell is there to ensure diversity in the horrid liberal media..:/
Or did you want a reference to the original 'no first use' doctrine? I'm sure many of my fellow Merkins weren't aware of it in the first place!
Dude, if you go to all this trouble, you can't use the machine at all -- it's the exact equivalent of a permanent DDoS - which was the aim of the k1dd13z in the first place.
Curse MS, indeed. Their product produces so many gotchas that they've trolled you into DDoS'ing yourself, thought-virus fashion. The ultimate hack.
I wanted a Mandrake system for self-ed/SOHO use, so got an ASUS Duron all-onboard mobo, cheap 512MB SDRAM, and a series of 4hr stints on weekends to work on it (w/2 kids, s'all you get, home's). W98 would install and BSOD, Mandrake install wouldn't even start - memtest86 duly barfed, and I exchanged it.
Second stick survived a couple of 4-6hr runs on memtest86 w/no problems. W98 installed, BSOD'd little more than usual, but I considered it secondary anyway. Mandrake install now would run, but kept dying mysteriously during unpacking (CDROM read problems). Swapped CDROM - still choked at some point before network cfg, died on text screen w/hex spew from kernel.
This has now taken a couple of months of Mandrake half-installs, 2-3 hours per week. New FDD didn't help. New HDD didn't help. Caved eventually and bought an ECS Athlon mobo, figuring I was out of the woods with (virtually) all new components - after all, the RAM had been replaced and tested good, right? Just to be sure, I reran memtest86 on the new board - all OK after multiple runs in 6 hours.
Mandrake 8.0 STILL dying late in the install, or not starting properly if it did finish after an install section would barf. OBSD 2.8 wouldn't install either. Weekends now gave way to other duties, like the yard; I'm an embedded systems guy, I don't build stock boxes all day, and at some point the novelty lost its shine.
Eventually a friend mentioned that he'd traced these kinds of gremlins to faulty RAM, so I looked for the top grade stuff and dropped a new stick in. Bingo - I could finally get KDE and start trying to remember what the fsck I wanted the box for in the first place, and just in time for the Mandrake Club membership that came w/the PowerPack to expire. Xemacs won't quite run yet; the holidays and tax time intervened, and Solaris at work doesn't have urpmi to learn.
Moral: Science works, memtest86 has limits, and when all possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the solution. Buy top-drawer RAM, your time is worth more than the extra nickels.
Even if you are a programmer, chances are you do quite a bit of your programming on a win32 platform? Am I wrong here?
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If you're a programmer, chances are 9 in 10 that you work on custom in-house software, and probably running on embedded systems at that. So your platform could include Windows, *nix, COBOL, FORTRAN, ADA, a homebrew task scheduler running in 4K of SRAM, and/or DOS DEBUG and a serial line to a PIC.
There's a huge swath of the population that has a general emotional sensitivity, and faces a drumbeat of harrassment and doubt about intellectual ability.
They're called "females", and you might like to get to know one sometime.
Just finished watching for over an hour, 30ish mi N of San Francisco.
At about 2:15 the number of meteors/min started picking up; bursts of four of five in a few seconds. This became nearly steady at about 2:35 until around 2:55, with many small, fast streaks and several large and bright meteors. Total count 104 or so between 2:00 and 3:10 AM PST. I was alone an a lawn chair on our very moonlit suburban side street.
This was way superior to last year (caught under brutal 'tule fog' at a Napa resort - hot tubbed instead of freezing in the dark) or 2000 ( scudding fog and clouds in Pacific Grove, outside Monterey).
The point is that if an organization has something to tell millions of netizens without them asking to hear it, they'd damn well better be ready to admit who they are when saying it.
I feel a huge visceral agreement with this.
Headers designed to deliberately mislead the recipient should not exist.
Erm... if you have a fuzzy/AI/probabilistic algorithm which can implement a filter like this, please GPL your code immediately. It would have way more interesting uses than spam filtering.
How can he possibly resist the diabolical urge to push the button that could erase his very existence? Will his tortured mind give in to it's uncontrollable desires? Can he withstand the temptation to push the button, that even now, beckons him ever closer? Will he succumb to the maddening urge to eradicate history, at the mere push of a single button? The beautiful shiny button. The jolly candy-like button. Will he hold out, folks? Can he hold out?
Back in the early 70s, I had a pop book of mysteries and weird happenings called 'Strangely Enough!' which mentioned large milky-white ice chunks falling from clear skies over Kansas. The book was full of ghost stories, UFO booga-booga and such, so I don't have anything like reputable references for it.
It did, however, prime me for the work of one Charles Fort, to which I direct your attention. If it's anywhere, the biggest record of such anomalies is probably there - http://www.forteantimes.com
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Why? By the long-established ethics of the marketplace, Ritz has no problem (ethical or logistical) in saying 'Caveat emptor', leaving it up to the marketplace to accept the value they offer (even if they're getting the parts at 3 cents a ton and pulling down a 99% margin). What responsibility does the buyer have to their business model? To pay the going price, or negotiate a different one. Nobody is defrauding or stealing from Ritz. The marketplace has no duty to a particular vision of the future; this is the fundamental problem with the DMCA in the first place. I don't see that you've demonstrated any real ethical/moral problem here - your assumptions about the marketplace relationship are flawed.
Blockquoth the poster:
And the response correctly noted your error in the first point. As for the second point, this "pro-DMCA crowd" would either be making the same mistake you have, or cynically gaming the legal system for profit. The relative likelihoods of either possibility is left as an exercise for the student.
Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? Nobody's assaulting any humans here. The correct analogy is perhaps that of a hooker who discovers that having hard-core sex in a downtown doorway results in a crowd who satisfies themselves without paying her. Time to change MO, or accept the losses.
The camera is a salable artifact, offered to the market for what value it may have. Finding value in the product in a way that the vendor didn't foresee is absolutely ethical, moral, and harmless. Indeed, trumping up the DMCA to prevent this kind of behavior is the harmful alternative, since it would unfairly distort the marketplace to limit the market's behavior to the vendor's imagination. Hmmm, the 'merger of state and corporate power'
No, it was the subtext and premise, and your pity is misplaced.
Erm, since Day One, when its "f*cked by our own oversights" as in this case. Should it be illegal to develop your own snapshots instead of taking them to the Jiffy Foto where you bought the film? Puh-leeze.
Face this:
This was never about stealing.
Copying what you don't own is infringement.
No 11 year old girl in the projects has ever pillaged a vessel on the high seas.
It now costs the price of a band's kit, a workstation and a CDR spindle to make an album, and webhosting to market it. The rest is hype and executive cocaine to make you think that Britney et al. could ever shine the shoes of real artists, or that a CD is on loan to you by the favor of the Lord High RIAA.
You can copy a CD you own to your heart's content.
You can sell or give away a CD you own, with abandon.
It's illegal to sell or give away COPIES of a CD you own, unless you created the content.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled innuendo, implication, semantic differential, and other neural programming.
That's the most important part - it has to come from outside the system, and even outside the environment that supports the system. The real-world implementations of government are a product of the S&M dynamic in the first place - grabbing votes/cash from the rich and poor by promising to protect each from the other. The morph of the gameboard will come from the attraction of success stories that broadcast the generosity meme: what's good for all of us is good for one of us. It has to come in easy steps, like solving a student's simple Net problems with a Knoppix CD. And it won't happen wholesale (Linux desktop dominance surpassing MS quickly), but it must remain unstoppable at the margins (the unsanctioned substance 'problem' has plagued gummints for centuries).
I picked Big Drug for my example both for its involvement with DNA as information, and because its oppression is ripe for toppling (US citizens are finding out how unfree our markets can be when trying to get their meds in Canada). Fads like 'rejuvelac' or other mystery ferments that circulate the alt.supplement underground may be early examples. It won't even matter that few such things actually work right now - the meme will persist, if it does, because it speaks to real human need. The peptide companies today are zeroing in on cheaper IDs for your DNA of choice. Later the grad student underground may use it to find a 'cure beer' for $INFIRMITY; then the agitprop starts a la DARE/RIAA about how 'unsafe' it is; then a startup creates a test for God Fearing Parents to check the purity of Johnny's precious bodily fluids; then the mass underground can test for product quality; etc... ( I wonder if dealers today use pee test innards to check product quality?...). The solutions need to survive the game of 'telephone', such that the notion of benefit (however vague, e.g. 'solar power saves money') gets entrenched, against all Cheney-oid assurances of unfeasibility. Then as the tipping point hits, people are ready with a wink and a nod even as they salute the flag at their sewing circles. There are lots of sadder but wiser Californian squares putting up panels this fall...
<insert musings here about women's social leverage , however gentle and constructive, being scary enough to provoke male oppression, yet survive against it>
$DEITY, I hope not. For the reasons above, any real step forward can't be an ideological exercise, but rather must be a set of nudges, of subtle decisions and one-on-one interactions that distribute the survival info among real-life humans in a real-life way, resistant to emotional hallucination. As it says here, "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
It's a hard road being a freak, but the well-behaved rarely make history. Cheers!
Deal with exploiters in power by undercutting them, as Free Software does with the proprietary giants. Pharma companies will have a hard time if every Deadhead has the diabetes-cure microbe culture, etc....
Deal with the whiners by buying them off. The Berkeleyite diabetic needn't be preaching to Congress about their pathetic plight if they're cured and at home perfecting a cheaper, cleaner waste heat/electricity converter.
The emotional ones on either side will still cause a ruckus; we'll laugh at the White Wringers going purple over the happy hedonists, and weep at the RIAA^2 pogroms as the heavy pharma monoliths crash, countered by a samizdat of the descendants of meth labs in vans. We'll giggle at the tiresome leftie speechifiers bereft of an audience because the cookout started, and wince at having to police the ones who misuse the mobile labs for terror. Love it or hate it, we suffer with our delusion until we get bored and drop it (buddhism meets cognitive therapy on a grand scale, hated by the right and the left). History will still convulse, and brighten in the long run. The Vatican's fist cowed swaths of nations 400 years ago, but ultimately they did not age gracefully, whereas Galileo's work did, even if he was a pain in the ass personally.
Now back to work on that kitchen-table nanomachine fab
Why shouldn't we put everyone out of work? We need neither the vindictiveness of mercantilist gouging under cover of the label 'capitalist', or the lazy poverty of diggers masquerading as 'socialist'. Both these factions are merely taking out their S&M neuroses on the rest of us. Like moths to the flame, both assume that the wealth they see is all that exists, and the game is thus zero-sum - what feeds the capitalist barracuda must bleed the poor children (won't someone please think
There's enough nuclear energy blasting down over time to support 100 billion spacefaring Earthlings (or to fry them all), and enough information in the planetary DNA library (5G years of research into no-holds-barred competition/collaboration) to keep us in Phd papers and lobster-flavored luaus indefinitely.
Halliburton
It all depends on what we want. Employment? What would a world of geeks do with the galaxy of hi-tech toys it would take to support the above, besides improve it all day for free, especially if it produced paradise in the process?
This post brought to you by some old hippies, Timothy Leary, and several thousand doses.
Giving up mods to reply to this, but oh well...
Just googling "bush nuclear "first use" ' brings up all sorts of links - here and here for starters. This shite was on the news for a few instants, among all the other obnoxious noise and probably juxtaposed with unemployment news or the abortion debate. The neocon cabal (tinnc) uses this type of 'shiny thing/booga booga' distraction to great effect lately, coupled with the 'Dopeler effect' - the effect of stupid ideas seeming smarter if they come at you fast.
Thank Heaven that Michael Powell is there to ensure diversity in the horrid liberal media
Or did you want a reference to the original 'no first use' doctrine? I'm sure many of my fellow Merkins weren't aware of it in the first place!
Those price points do indeed have some limited substance behind them. (In UPS's case, I think it's 714's.)
Curse MS, indeed. Their product produces so many gotchas that they've trolled you into DDoS'ing yourself, thought-virus fashion. The ultimate hack.
"Mate, this bird wouldn't voom if you put four million volts through it!"
I wanted a Mandrake system for self-ed/SOHO use, so got an ASUS Duron all-onboard mobo, cheap 512MB SDRAM, and a series of 4hr stints on weekends to work on it (w/2 kids, s'all you get, home's). W98 would install and BSOD, Mandrake install wouldn't even start - memtest86 duly barfed, and I exchanged it.
Second stick survived a couple of 4-6hr runs on memtest86 w/no problems. W98 installed, BSOD'd little more than usual, but I considered it secondary anyway. Mandrake install now would run, but kept dying mysteriously during unpacking (CDROM read problems). Swapped CDROM - still choked at some point before network cfg, died on text screen w/hex spew from kernel.
This has now taken a couple of months of Mandrake half-installs, 2-3 hours per week. New FDD didn't help. New HDD didn't help. Caved eventually and bought an ECS Athlon mobo, figuring I was out of the woods with (virtually) all new components - after all, the RAM had been replaced and tested good, right? Just to be sure, I reran memtest86 on the new board - all OK after multiple runs in 6 hours.
Mandrake 8.0 STILL dying late in the install, or not starting properly if it did finish after an install section would barf. OBSD 2.8 wouldn't install either. Weekends now gave way to other duties, like the yard; I'm an embedded systems guy, I don't build stock boxes all day, and at some point the novelty lost its shine.
Eventually a friend mentioned that he'd traced these kinds of gremlins to faulty RAM, so I looked for the top grade stuff and dropped a new stick in. Bingo - I could finally get KDE and start trying to remember what the fsck I wanted the box for in the first place, and just in time for the Mandrake Club membership that came w/the PowerPack to expire. Xemacs won't quite run yet; the holidays and tax time intervened, and Solaris at work doesn't have urpmi to learn.
Moral: Science works, memtest86 has limits, and when all possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the solution. Buy top-drawer RAM, your time is worth more than the extra nickels.
<nitpick>
If you're a programmer, chances are 9 in 10 that you work on custom in-house software, and probably running on embedded systems at that. So your platform could include Windows, *nix, COBOL, FORTRAN, ADA, a homebrew task scheduler running in 4K of SRAM, and/or DOS DEBUG and a serial line to a PIC.
</nitpick>
Dude, you need to get out more.
There's a huge swath of the population that has a general emotional sensitivity, and faces a drumbeat of harrassment and doubt about intellectual ability.
They're called "females", and you might like to get to know one sometime.
At about 2:15 the number of meteors/min started picking up; bursts of four of five in a few seconds.
This became nearly steady at about 2:35 until around 2:55, with many small, fast streaks and several large and bright meteors. Total count 104 or so between 2:00 and 3:10 AM PST. I was alone an a lawn chair on
our very moonlit suburban side street.
This was way superior to last year (caught under brutal 'tule fog' at a Napa resort - hot tubbed instead of freezing in the dark) or 2000 ( scudding
fog and clouds in Pacific Grove, outside Monterey).
Good luck Hawaii!
I feel a huge visceral agreement with this.
Erm
please GPL your code immediately. It would have way more interesting uses than spam filtering.
Will his tortured mind give in to it's uncontrollable desires?
Can he withstand the temptation to push the button, that even now, beckons him ever closer?
Will he succumb to the maddening urge to eradicate history, at the mere push of a single button?
The beautiful shiny button.
The jolly candy-like button.
Will he hold out, folks?
Can he hold out?
Holy Zarquon's singing fish!!!
It did, however, prime me for the work of one Charles Fort, to which I direct your attention. If it's anywhere, the biggest record of such anomalies is probably there - http://www.forteantimes.com
Umm
A-henh.....