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Meet The Leonids

Kathy Miles writes "The Leonid meteor shower is promising to be a 'once in a lifetime event.' It's not hard to photograph meteors, a simple 35mm camera that you can lock open the shutter on works fine. Here's complete instructions for 35mm, video and digital cameras.And, on the same site is information such as lore and myth, best way to watch meteors and times and skymaps for all US timezones. Happy Meteor watching!" And Geert Barentsen writes "As the adrenaline for the final Leonid meteor storm (November 19th) rises, one site seems to do a call to everybody to count the meteor activity and help science. With a few thousand meteors predicted per hour, it's going to be a busy night for true geeks :-)" Kevin Smolkowski writes "For the second year in a row, NASA will have Live Coverage of the 2002 Leonid meteor storm on Monday. Perfect for those of you surrounded by city lights. The all night show is hosted by NASA astronomers. They'll offer observing tips, answer phone calls from sky watchers, and tour the skies with a video camera located at the Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) in Huntsville, Alabama." Update: 11/18 22:40 GMT by T : McGravin writes "Everyone should also keep an ear on the extraplanetary visitors, too. I'm going to go add some ear-flaps to the tin foil helmet that protects my brain from them, so I can hear the meteors."

270 comments

  1. huntsville by graznar · · Score: 1

    wow...they're going to be in huntsville? i live perhaps 30 minutes from there. does anyone know if they are offering a sit-in or something like that so locals can watch it easily? i called but they gave me the run around. if they do, i'll take pictures to share! :D

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    1. Re:huntsville by The+Jonas · · Score: 1
      New Page 1

      I'm in Huntsville, too. Doesn't our forecast call for clouds and a chance of rain tonight?

    2. Re:huntsville by The+Jonas · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, Marshall Space Flight Center is located on Redstone Arsenal. You must be active military/have legitimate verifiable business/have an authorized (clearance) escort,etc... there to get past the gate. This goes for students, as well.

  2. This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by RangerSpeedBumpp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wasn't last year's Leonid meteor shower also a once-in-a-lifetime event? I thought this was more like an ~80-times-in-a-lifetime thing.

    1. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Big+Mark · · Score: 5, Informative

      It really IS this time. It's gonna be a big one, as the trail of comet debris (left kindly by Tempel-Tuttle, IIRC) that forms this shower is really, really close this year, and it won't be remotely as good for another thirty years or so after the debris trails start getting further away from the Earth's orbit. Not exactly once-in-a-lifetime, but still. I like meteors.

      Speaking of which, it's 10:30PM here. I'm off to the beach to watch things and drink flasks of tea.

    2. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      once-in-a-lifetime event

      why must everyone dwell on this? why not get over it and just enjoy the view? most people will probably never even know this happened until after it's over anyway. so let's all just go out and enjoy the night and quit whining, please.

    3. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Innominate+Recreant · · Score: 3, Informative

      The next time Earth will pass through a thick part of the Tempel-Tuttle comet's tail will be in 2099. There will still be Leonid showers every year, just not as spectacular until then.

    4. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by coryboehne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, this is indeed going to be a once in a lifetime event (or at least first in a lifetime event) for me, after reading about the electrophonic meteor sounds I decided that I'm going to strech a bit of tinfoil over a frame in the hopes that it will enable me to actually hear them well. Anyone else care to verify that this works before I try it? :)

    5. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by EvanED · · Score: 3, Informative

      >>and it won't be remotely as good for another thirty years

      Or 90. Next time the show will be this good is 2099.

    6. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A perturbation of the orbit of Tempel-Tuttle, the parent comet, and the debris fields by Jupiter in 2029 will change the orbit such that we won't see another Storm like this until the year 2099.

      Chuck
      http://starryskies.com

    7. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't rightly know, but I'm doing the same thing. Can't hurt to try eh?

    8. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Mattsson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well... I set my alarm so that I could watch it. (Just got home...)
      Would have been a real shame to miss it, since I guess I'll be around 50 - 60 next time it happens if I'm not misstaken.

      There was som *real* nice once.
      Amoung others a double fireball on each side of a bright star and one that left a trail that spanned more than half my field of vision.
      Really beautiful. *sigh*
      Wish I could have filmed it.
      But then came the evil clouds and blocked my view, so I went home. :-(

      Btw!
      You know that you can make a wish when you see a shooting star!
      So what did *you* wish for? =-)

      My wish, with every blazing trail, was to pass my math exams in december and januari. ;-)

      Now I'm going to catch some sleep before going to school. Starts 13:15 today. Lucky me.
      Oyasumi nasai minna.

      --
      /.Mattsson - My native language is not English, so please don't whine over linguistic errors. (That's lame anyway...)
    9. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Peterus7 · · Score: 1

      I saw a lesser showing of the Leonids a little while ago lying in the bed of a truck... Which imoho is probably one of the best locations to meteor watch, especially if you are in the city. God we saw a ton, including one that actually detonated, creating a sudden flash. God that was weird. But the leonids are awesome... A must see.

    10. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by CoolVibe · · Score: 3, Informative

      *sigh* the big storm would be optimal here tonight at 4:50 AM. Well, I stood outside about 15 minutes before that. F**king thick clouds everywhere. It sucks to live in the netherlands :(

    11. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, spent the early part of the morning on the roof. I'm in the middle of the Med, and there was a clear sky. roused the wife and kid as well, and we all stayed watching. There was significant light pollution, but the show was still okay - my boy loved it (2.5 yrs) - kept running around shouting "Fireworks!, Fireworks!" ;-) - I counted maybe 1 per minute.

      --
      People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.
    12. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Weedhopper · · Score: 1
      Well, the location and circumstances were different for me but for me this year's was much better even with the full moon. I counted a few hundred in the hour I was out - better than last year.

      Last year, I ended up driving around southern Pennsylvania looking for openings in the patches of fog. The girl I was with kept nagging me about the entire deal until I got her drunk on the bottle of wine and she passed out in the back of the car. This year, I was in Dallas and drove south by myself a bit on I-35, took an empty looking exit and got a decent view. MUCH better than last year. No fog and no annoying, unappreciative bubblehead.

    13. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the eastern US and we had a spectacular show here. The sky was clear, and the full moon dipped below the horizon just before the meteors' peak, so the sky was dark enough to see even the smaller ones. I woke up around 5 AM and went outside with my wife, whom I somehow managed to convince to come with me even though she really couldn't give a crap about astronomy and other geeky endeavours. It was around 25 F outside, but the meteors were the best I've ever seen. I would estimate that they were appearing about one every two or three seconds, often more frequently than that. Definitely worth waking up early for.

    14. Re:This year's once-in-a-lifetime event by sulli · · Score: 2
      Hey Soren!

      I saw about 20 at Alamo Square in SF this year. Tons of light pollution, including full moon, but several were pretty impressive despite the visual noise. I think it was two years ago that I got my best Leonid show.

      --

      sulli
      RTFJ.
  3. Watch the shower in broad daylight! by Nefrayu · · Score: 1

    I'm setting up my Tivo on the NASA channel so I can watch it during the day. I'll be the only guy to see this thing in broad daylight!!!

    --
    Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
    1. Re:Watch the shower in broad daylight! by Cyph · · Score: 2

      NASA has their own channel? They really could have used that during Apollo 13 instead of lying to Tom Hanks and the boys.

  4. See this while you can. by Jasn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you're not surrounded by insane light pollution ... make a point of watching this while you can. It may not be the same for years, maybe decades ...

    1. Re:See this while you can. by Squintfield · · Score: 1

      Yes, if it's clear, just walk outside and look up for about a half-an-hour during the peak time predicted for your location. No matter how bad the viewing conditions, you will still see the bright ones.

    2. Re:See this while you can. by EvanED · · Score: 3, Funny

      "if it's clear"

      *damn 80% cloud cover... :walks away grumbling*

    3. Re:See this while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how bad the viewing conditions, you will still see the bright ones.

      Oh so I can keep my 1,000,000 candlefoot power light shining into my eyes, yes?

    4. Re:See this while you can. by simong_oz · · Score: 2

      80%? you're lucky! I would guess that the cloud cover here is about 100%. I say guess because the pea soup fog has limited visibility to about 15m.

      Oh well, better luck in 2099 maybe ...

      --
      "Because it's there." - George Mallory, when asked why he wanted to climb Mt Everest, March 18, 1923 (New York Times)
    5. Re:See this while you can. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      sorry but the midwest and western east coast was covered by FRICKING clouds this morning from 5 to 6:30 am... during the event...

      dammit, nothing like nature to screw up something.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  5. Is it just me? by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or is the Leonid shower billed as "once in a lifetime" every year?

    1. Re:Is it just me? by BrianGa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah...but this year, it's really once in a lifetime!

    2. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Jason, for you, tonight really is the last chance you'll get to see it!

      Ahh, but I've told you too much already...

      -- a friend

    3. Re:Is it just me? by Urox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The reason last year was more of a once in a lifetime is because this year there's a full moon. Last year there was no moon and thus far better viewing conditions.

      --
      "Would you rather have a playstation addicted dork wearing a star wars t-shirt?"
    4. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check your horoscope: (Jason's horoscope:"Today you will die.")

      Check your wife's horoscope: (Jason's wife's horoscope: "Today your husband will die"). Told you it would be once in a lifetime.

  6. Tip for Photography by frostgiant · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have done astro photos before and here is good tip when using a SLR camera:
    To avoid wobbling the camera as you press the cable to start the exposure, just hold up a sheet of black paper in front of the lens. After the cable is dangling freely, remove the paper. When depressing the cable, do the same.

    Also, for anyone with a Sony DV camera, the AE Candel Light mode works great for filming the showers.

    1. Re:Tip for Photography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or use a TRIPOD

      an SLR with mirror lock-up is good too

      but that black paper idea is clever, never thought of it.

    2. Re:Tip for Photography by r_j_prahad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I fogged a lot of film last year with way-too-long exposures. When you get one of those persistant fire trails, it's time to close the shutter and advance the film. And a good fireball doesn't even have to be in-frame to do this, I had a few off axis sparklers that caused some major lense artifacts (although some of those turned out to be *really* good prints unintentionally). If the artifacting bothers your sense of purity, use a big lens hood.

    3. Re:Tip for Photography by ai0524 · · Score: 3, Informative
      You probably fogged the film by not covering the viewfinder. With an SLR camera light can get to the film from the viewfinder. This is not a problem when you take pictures normally as your eye keeps light out. However when making long exposures with a tripod this isn't true. You should cover the viewfinder with the proper cap or something else when making long exposures. The web site mention in the article about making exposures probably mentions this but I cannot reach it at this time.


      Have fun! Remember to take different exposures (exposure bracketing) to make sure that you get a good exposure. Expose one stop in both directions from the calculated exposure.

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    4. Re:Tip for Photography by autocracy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mirror lockup... set the camera's self-timer on a fully manual or use the option on an automatic...

      --
      SIG: HUP
    5. Re:Tip for Photography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you don't use a digital camera, make sure to clearly label your photographs as "astronomy" or "nighttime" or something like that. Many a beginning astonomy photographer has lost a batch of pictures due to the people developing it thinking they were all bad...

    6. Re:Tip for Photography by Savatte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, for anyone with a Sony DV camera, the AE Candel Light mode works great for filming the showers

      I don't know about you, but i'd rather use one of those x-ray/night vision filters when filming at the showers.

    7. Re:Tip for Photography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it possible your film wasn't made for long exposure? Some film, like Velvia, goes all shitty if you expose it too long. I forget the term for it...

    8. Re:Tip for Photography by cmason · · Score: 2

      Or use the timer (like when taking a group photo).

      --
      "If you are an idealist it doesn't matter what you do or what goes on around you, because it isn't real anyway."-R.P.W.
  7. Once in a lifetime like the last time by uberstool · · Score: 2, Funny

    when I spent three hours laying on my back on a sleeping bag looking into the cloudless northern Arizona sky only to see eight super no-big-deal falling stars. What a waste of time due to net hype - I can't believe I'm going to do it again.

    1. Re:Once in a lifetime like the last time by artificial_blue · · Score: 0

      You must be blind, or in the city looking up. Last year, I was seeing about 8 every minute. Of course, I was kilometers away from any town..

    2. Re:Once in a lifetime like the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have very good vision. I was just outside of Phoenix and I saw about 1 per minute.

  8. I hate when he/hse/it does that ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there an insurance I can buy--or sue God for droppin' stones in my backyard !! I have when he/she/it does that !

    1. Re:I hate when he/hse/it does that ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      there is no god, you silly fool

    2. Re:I hate when he/hse/it does that ! by coryboehne · · Score: 2

      Is there an insurance I can buy--or sue God for droppin' stones in my backyard !! I have when he/she/it does that !

      Funny comment, although completely idiotic. The fireballs are commonly produced from peices not much larger than a grain of sand. Not exactly gonna do much to your car or backyard even if they did make it through the atmosphere.

  9. Is it /really/ going to be good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess it was good last year but we were overcast. :(

    I sat out there for a little while in a light drizzle and watched some bright blobs move behind the coulds.

  10. Sucks in Seattle by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yesterday was beautiful and I was hopeful but today is looking pretty crappy.

    Damn Washington weather is depriving me of the show of a lifetime.

    On a better note I will get a full nights sleep.

    --
    (/local/home/curiosity)-#who -u|grep thecat|cut -c 44-49|xargs kill -9
    1. Re:Sucks in Seattle by kevcol · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's still time- it's only 2:30PM- get your windbreaker and sweatpants and climb Mt. Rainier to get above the clouds!

    2. Re:Sucks in Seattle by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 2

      I have not got enough slack, my brother....

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      (/local/home/curiosity)-#who -u|grep thecat|cut -c 44-49|xargs kill -9
    3. Re:Sucks in Seattle by the+dweeb · · Score: 1

      Anyone in the Seattle area know of any decent viewing areas within a few hours' driving radius? I've been checking the weather reports, and it seems I'll have to drive over the Cascades or as far south as Eugene, Oregon to get weather even just slightly less crappy than ours.

    4. Re:Sucks in Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This past August, I went to Olympic National Park, on Hurricane Ridge, to see them. Some guys from NASA were there to give a talk too. Just a short ferry ride to Bainbridge and about 1.5 hrs of driving. I'm sure they're having something up there for this. Too bad I'm stuck in Virginia. Bring your coat...its damn cold!

    5. Re:Sucks in Seattle by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 2

      Roll down 90 till you get to Vantage or George. Weather.com says it looks clear there now.

      It's much faster than going south, and you have a better chance at seeing them.

      If I didn't have to work tomorrow....

      --
      (/local/home/curiosity)-#who -u|grep thecat|cut -c 44-49|xargs kill -9
    6. Re:Sucks in Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. I'm in the Vancouver area, and I think we're in the same situation...

  11. Re:Hmm... by Nefrayu · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope you never watched him shower...

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    Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
  12. Finally! by FPhlyer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone said I was crazy when I moved 30 miles out from the city. Now, with no city lights, I'll have a perfect view of the shower! Won't all of my friends be jealous! ...Oh yeah. None of my friends care about meteor showers...

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  13. Taking photos. by James_G · · Score: 5, Funny
    A very wise thing for you to do is to go out on a clear night BEFORE the Leonids peak and experiment with film and find a good place to set up.

    Well shit. It's a bit late for that now. Oh well, I'll try and remember that in 30 years when the next one comes around.

    1. Re:Taking photos. by Fluid+Truth · · Score: 1

      I know you're kidding, but there are other meteor showers here and there. Perhaps if people get off their butts and do some experimenting now, they'll be prepared for the next shower.

      I know I am--I just put a tripod on my wish list. :-)

      --
      Apparently, of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.
  14. What a bunch of sickos! by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I have to admit that watching Leonid Breezhnev take a shower is not something that you can see everyday, but I think I'll pass anyway, thank you.

    1. Re:What a bunch of sickos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, it's Leo Nid, a truck driver from New Jersey.

  15. Wrong audience by flatface · · Score: 5, Funny

    Asking Slashdotters.. To go outside.. I don't know if this is an insult or a mistake.

    1. Re:Wrong audience by MrScience · · Score: 2

      I actually thought to myself... "Well, I should be getting off work around then. Might have to work an extra hour or two."

      I didn't mind 100 hour weeks. When they were spaced out. And I was paid. Overtime.

      --

      You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco

  16. down south by nmp · · Score: 1

    Is thing visible from the southern hemisphere or is it just another show that we never get down here.

  17. Links for each time zone: by c0dedude · · Score: 5, Informative
    --
    Since when has this country used intellectual elite as a pejorative term?
    1. Re:Links for each time zone: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should really add a "-1 karma troll" option for moderators

    2. Re:Links for each time zone: by BeeShoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I live in the Central Time Zone, you insensitive clod! ;-)

      Central Time Zone

    3. Re:Links for each time zone: by ilyag · · Score: 3, Funny

      3:23 to 3:47 AM MST??

      Everything in this country is so darn early... Can't they move the show back three hours? That may increase the turnout (and the profit) 1000%!

    4. Re:Links for each time zone: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You fuckin' USAian USAist!!!1!!

  18. Damn TV befuddled kids! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    1. Can you see the sky?
    2. Is it not cloudy?
    3. Is it 2:00AM?
    4. ????
    5. Profit?
  19. I'm impressed by sys49152 · · Score: 4, Funny

    For the second year in a row, NASA will have Live Coverage of the 2002 Leonid meteor storm

    I wonder how they did this last year. Or did Nasa finally perfect its tachyon transceiver?

  20. Uhhh.. by unicron · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...at the Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) in Huntsville, Alabama.

    "Uh..oh, I did it wrong again. "Break one-nine." Houston! It's dark as crap up here. Ed's done busted out the capsule window trying to hit a satelite with a beer bottle and you need to instruct us on unclogging the toilet because they ate all the freeze-dried chili and they're tore up something fierce.

    --
    Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
    1. Re:Uhhh.. by susano_otter · · Score: 2

      Have you seen From the Earth to the Moon? Undoubtedly, the astronauts have a 2-hour checklist already prepared for unclogging the toilet. It's highly likely that it's initiated automatically upon completion of the "eat freeze-dried chili" checklist.

      --

      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    2. Re:Uhhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow up.

    3. Re:Uhhh.. by Maxwell_E · · Score: 1

      *cough*RIPOFF*cough*John Boy & Billy*cough

      Please give credit where credit is due:
      www.thebigshow.com

    4. Re:Uhhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And please shut the hell up Maxwell.

  21. poor kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anybody notice the stock photo in the NASA page? This picture. I think it's supposed to representing watching TV, but it's really a sad social commentary.

    Here's a young boy, ready to go outside and move and run and play. He's got his cap on, and he's got his football under his arm.

    But instead of choosing to play in the sun and use the arms and legs nature gave him to enjoy himself, he sits sullen and emotionless in front of a TV.

    He chooses the bland garbage spewed forth by the corporate-run media, enticing him to stay on the couch, not to question authority, not take care of his health. They hope to sell him fast food, video games, and heart medication when he grows up.

    Really quite sad.

    Alternate explanation #1:

    This poor little girl wants to play with her dolls and talk with her friends. But her father is a violent man, who regrets never having had a son before his wife's untimely demise. He forces her to hold a football and watch the game on TV. If she resists, she is soundly beaten. She quietly assumes the role of the son her father never had.

    Really quite sad.

    Alternate Explanation #2:

    It's raining and the game was just cancelled.

    Really quite sad.

    1. Re:poor kid by Subcarrier · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alternate Explanation #3:

      This poor little alien is trapped. It has chosen the most innocuous, uninteresting, and non-threatening shape it can imagine, that of an indigenous life form with the appearance of box emitting a peaceful glow.

      And yet the threatening native steadfastly refuses to wander away, instead choosing to squat and stare at it in ominous silence, fingering the obvious weapon tucked under its left upper appendage and no doubt mentally rehearsing several of its favorite ways of committing murder, each more violent and gruesome than the rest.

      The little alien is gazing back in desperation, afraid to make the smallest move.

      Really quite sad.

      --
      "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
    2. Re:poor kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ha ha

      you = funny!!

    3. Re:poor kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's supposed to representing watching TV, but it's really a sad social commentary.

      It's less sad than the fact that corbis can make money from selling staged photos of kids watching TV. At least we can take consolation from the fact that the poor boy in the photo was paid for his time!

  22. Other event will make viewing difficult by DalTech · · Score: 3, Informative

    Other that light pollution which will make viewing difficult for most city dwellers, we will have to contend with a full moon. Your best bet is to look towards the northwest or southwest to diminish the glare of the moon.

    1. Re:Other event will make viewing difficult by tdemark · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those on the East Coast, the maximum of the shower is expected at 5:30 AM ET - the moon sets a little after 5 AM. Therefore, it won't be an issue.

    2. Re:Other event will make viewing difficult by JordoCrouse · · Score: 1

      For those in the MST, this
      says that the moon will be in the west, while Leo is in the east. Now, I might be smoking crack, but that probably means I can look toward Leo for optimal viewing with little or no moon.

      Right?

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  23. Good night to test radio propagation by Nonillion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This will provide some interesting propagation on the VHF and UHF ham bands. Hopefully I'll be able to stay awake long enough to work a few stations on the ionized trails the meteors leave behind..

    --
    "I bow to no man" - Riddick
    1. Re:Good night to test radio propagation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please try to stay awake. Come back to report us what happened.

    2. Re:Good night to test radio propagation by ArticulateArne · · Score: 2

      What are the best modes/subbands for this? I have access to an all mode V/U rig, and I went down before to see if I could hear anything. Didn't come across much, but pretty much all of my DX has been on HF, so I'm not even sure what to look for. I know HSCW is supposed to be good, but I don't have time (nor energy) to get set up for that. What do you recommend?

      -N9ZT

  24. hahah... by TheGreenGoogler · · Score: 4, Funny

    "For the second year in a row, NASA will have Live Coverage of the 2002 Leonid meteor storm on Monday" How exactly can you have 2 years of coverage of the 2002 Leonid meteor storm?

    1. Re:hahah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're nitpicking. If you stress about every little thing like this you will die young. Please, take it easy - you'll live longer.

  25. Perfect timing in Finland/Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's gonna happen between 5:30am - 6:30 here in Finland! Perfect timing, the sky is jet black! Just 5 hours and the show will start! Guys, kiss your girls!!!

    1. Re:Perfect timing in Finland/Sweden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. And I'm too excited to get to bed. Just a 4 hours and 30 minutes! Boy, will it be beautiful! Damn! It's 01:09 am, but I don't care! I'll stay up all night.

  26. Looking For Jon Katz: +1, Patriotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Please stay alert for any traces of the former
    Jon Katz orbiting the earth as a result of his
    unauthorized visit to Afghanistan to interview
    the famous Commodore-64 user and Geraldo Rivera.

    P.S. Wasn't it George W. Bush (Even Less than
    G. H. W. Bush) who challenged the world with
    "bin Laden: Dead or Alive"? Thanks for nothing
    Tom Daschle and the Democratic (sold out) party!

    Cheers,
    Woot

  27. Best you'll see in a while for a couple of reasons by Sheetrock · · Score: 1, Informative
    Yes. For one thing, the Leonids are the brightest thing in the sky (barring the Sun, of course) at their apex, which will be finally reached this year before they decline. They'll still be visible next year but not again for decades.

    Scientifically speaking, there is a lack of visible background radiation (VBR, also called 'solar drift' because of its origins) in the sky right now because of the unusually large amounts of sunspots, so the view will be exceptional. Additionally, they will be brighter through a process called 'blueshifting' because they are heading towards us. Blueshifting is an application of the Doppler effect with light rather than sound -- the speed of the objects stack up the light 'waves' in front of them and in effect make the objects look bluer because of the shift upwards in the visible spectrum. The opposite, 'redshifting', would occur if the objects were heading away from us, as they will be next year.

    Make sure you're out from the city to watch this great event, because light pollution will drown out part of the spectra that otherwise make this such a treat to watch.

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  28. Crappy Moon by Keighvin · · Score: 3, Informative

    As has already been pointed out, there will be a full moon. Not only that, but at the peak viewing hours for the western continent inhabitants (especially those in North America) that pesky full moon will be almost exactly centered in the most active region for viewing.

    Only the best and brightest will be visible, and though there's predicted to be more of them this year than typically the effect will be diminished by the lunar glow to a fairly typical rendition.

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    1. Re:Crappy Moon by JordoCrouse · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't wanna be a dick, but according to this:

      http://starryskies.com/leonids/star-charts-mst.h tm l

      The moon will be directly opposite Leo in the sky. Seems like its the optimal viewing position (at least given the circumstances).

      But then again, IANAA (I am Not An Astronomer).

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  29. Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very very cool! I can't wait to see what ol' Leonid has in store for us tomorrow. I figure my fam and I will drive out of the city and find some place with a lot less light pollution. I think I'm going to take a digital camera with me and get some high quality pictures. wohoo!
    Star gazing rocks! .. especially on cold winter nights, makes you happy to be alive.

  30. Great from a plane by YetAnotherAnonymousC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I happened to be on a flight a few years ago (I think 1999) when it was a good year for the meteor shower. The show is even more fantastic from up above the clouds. The many colors you could pick out easily paid for the fare of the flight by itself, not that I planned it that way.

    Too bad I can't justify getting up in a plane this year for the shower.

    1. Re:Great from a plane by dheeraj · · Score: 1

      Awesome beyond belief -- I just so happen to have a red-eye tonight from San Jose to Newark. 10pm departure from SJC, and a 6-something AM arrival in Newark. Perfect, perfect timing.

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    2. Re:Great from a plane by saskboy · · Score: 1

      My Astronomy 201 lab instructor is on a plane that has NASA people on it, studying the shower over the Atlantic ocean.

      All you other flying folks, I better not hear on the news that a plane was grounded when a beligerent demanded a window seat...

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    3. Re:Great from a plane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting.. On what www page will he publish the pictures he will take?

  31. Corbis (Owned by Gates) by uberstool · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to this NASA webpage, "The 2nd-best way to watch the Leonids. A royalty-free image from corbis.com."

  32. Phew! by Subcarrier · · Score: 5, Funny

    Asking Slashdotters.. To go outside.. I don't know if this is an insult or a mistake.

    So that's what this is all about? All this talk about a shower was making me nervous.

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  33. I'm a lucky bastard!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be near Arlanda airport, Stockholm, sitting in Boeing 747 when this happens!!!! I'm currently flying from New York to Stockholm. Lucky me!

  34. I saw a BIG leonid last night!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was AMAZING! It was like a large white disc suspended in the middle of the dark sky. It just floated there, which surprised me.

    Through my telescope it looked like had mountains and craters on it.

    It's the most amazing thing I ever saw in my life ever!!! I'm so glad I saw it!! There really is a God!

    1. Re:I saw a BIG leonid last night!! by Nefrayu · · Score: 1

      "Through my telescope it looked like had mountains and craters on it."
      And it was large and white too?
      Perhaps you were looking at my ex-girlfriend's ass... pervert.

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    2. Re:I saw a BIG leonid last night!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh no, trust me, I KNOW what that looks like!

  35. the lights, dude !!! by Hugh+G.+Rekshunne · · Score: 1
    man the last leonards shower was just freaking COSMIC man ! me and my buddy were like bathed in this ORGASMIC shower of sparkling lights that lit us up like day and they all sort of FIZZLED and spat GOLDEN SPARKS as they fell to earth igniting peoples barns and houses and domestic PETS that came howling past us on fire going arrrrooooow, arrrroooow !!!!!!!!!!

    then again it could have been the acid talking since i dont know if we ever made it out of the trailer that night...

  36. Question to NYC area astronomers by coldwd · · Score: 1

    For those of us living in the biggest lightbulb on the east-coast (New York City), where's a good place for us to go to view the showers?

    Since most of us living in the city are without wheels to get away from the "light pollution" Are there any helpful hints from astronomers who are stuck in the city as well?

    Thanks in advance!! :)

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    1. Re:Question to NYC area astronomers by Nefrayu · · Score: 1

      Sunglasses often block out unwanted light. Give that a try. ;-) And turn off your lights too. Ask your neighbors to do the same. Or you could time travel back to 1965. I hear that NYC got pretty dark back then...

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    2. Re:Question to NYC area astronomers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I don't live in NYC, but it's easy to imagine that Central Park would be a nice place to view the storm. Not too much light I guess.

    3. Re:Question to NYC area astronomers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, after that jogger got raped a while back they took down all the lights so people wouldn't run around there anymore!

    4. Re:Question to NYC area astronomers by BeyondALL · · Score: 1

      Or 1977 - prety dark that year to :)

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    5. Re:Question to NYC area astronomers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good suggestion for an astronomer that lives in the city and has no vehicle:

      Shot yourself!

  37. Leonid? by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    Leonid Brezhnev will be streaking past everyone's bedroom window tonight?

    Damn, he's faster than Santa Claus!

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  38. Last year was, for me, unfortunately... by wirefarm · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just got back in (Tues. morning here in Japan,) after having not seen a single one. (Worst combination of time, location, moon, clouds.)

    Last year was amazing... :-(

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  39. Might be counting the dots by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

    you know, on the TV screen...

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  40. Just wait for the next lot of space junk from NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NASA has been dumping over the Southern Hemisphere for years now.

  41. yea.. it will be like a drive in by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 1

    just drive out to an isolated area and wait. If it is like what they are describing then anywhere would be good, although hanging around where all the astronomy geeks are is a good idea.

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  42. San Diego by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2

    Will anyone from San Diego (or thereabouts) be checking this out? I'm considering taking my jeep out to Ocotillo Wells (out past Julian on the 78.) If anyone is interested in a convoy, lemme know. I went out there a couple years ago (Summer 2000) for a shower and it was a good time.

    It's desert, but folks with cars have no problems getting there. Luckily the sand is well packed, 4-wheel drive is not necessary (though to go beyond the dunes it is highly recommended.)

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    1. Re:San Diego by rmohr02 · · Score: 2

      I'd suggest contacting your local /. meetup. But then, it might be too late for that.

  43. saw "thousands" last year by peter303 · · Score: 2

    One per second for a couple hours in Colorado on morning of the 18th in 2001.

    1. Re:saw "thousands" last year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watched last year... that was pretty awesome. Now this year the skies it will probably be overcast, according to the weather network. FUCK!

  44. darkness by Malicious · · Score: 2, Informative
    Even if you live in the heart of a city, or near the heart of a city, sitting in an unlit soccer/football field, can be better than your backyard. Lights directly overhead will create far more glare, than lights from afar. Granted, you're not going to get nearly the show people in outlying counties will, but you'll get a better show than you would sitting under a street light.

    As far as seating goes, i've always found the most success, lying on a blanket [even with a foot of snow on the ground], as opposed to a lawnchair, because no matter how far back you lean in a lawn chair, your neck will be sore from craning in the morning.

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  45. What about all those satelites / ISS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm just wondering what will happen to them. Isn't there a rather big chance for one of them to be hit by one of the "thousands of meteors per hour"?

    1. Re:What about all those satelites / ISS? by Nefrayu · · Score: 1

      Proof that in addition to the moon landing, the ISS is a hoax!!! Gotcha now NASSAU!!!


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    2. Re:What about all those satelites / ISS? by azadrozny · · Score: 1

      It a very big risk, in fact NASA delayed the launch of a satellite until after peak just to play it safe. Keep in mind that there are billions of particles floating around the Earth all the time; a meteor shower just complicates things. I have seen pictures of the damage that something as small as a paint chip can do at high speed to the Space Shuttle. NASA has tracking stations that monitor debris that could cause harm to the ISS, Shuttle and other objects like Hubble. They are occasionally forced to make course corrections to keep from getting hit.

  46. Re:Best you'll see in a while for a couple of reas by DuBois · · Score: 2
    Blueshifting is an application of the Doppler effect with light rather than sound -- the speed of the objects stack up the light 'waves' in front of them and in effect make the objects look bluer because of the shift upwards in the visible spectrum.

    What? My old Physics classes taught me that this happens only when objects are moving at a relative speed that is a significant percentage of the speed of light. I doubt these meteors will be moving that fast.

    And besides, what will be visible will be the trails of the meteors, which will be pretty much stationary, thus precluding any such shift in color.

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  47. Once in a lifetime event: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Kathy Miles writes

    A woman visits slashdot.

  48. I must draw attention to the fact... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That I'm getting a meteor shower for my birthday (19 nov). As long as the friggin' weather holds out, which weather.com tells me it should =)

    1. Re:I must draw attention to the fact... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well cheers buddy! Happy birthday!

  49. Re:Best you'll see in a while for a couple of reas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 Informative? Hah! Somebody got burned...

  50. How can you be sure its Meteors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government is trying to fool us. Russian astronaut had a bad stomach and used the wrong toilet in space and now his shit is approaching earth.

  51. Re:Best you'll see in a while for a couple of reas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't you be posting goatse links?

  52. Help! In SoCal by ShawnDoc · · Score: 2
    Hey, I live in the heart of Southern California. Anyone got any tips of where I can drive to tonight to actually see the sky?

    For the last big meteor shower, I drove east for over an hour before I could start to see stars, and then parked in a private driveway to see.

  53. Re:Tip for Photography - focus by saskboy · · Score: 2

    Just make sure it doesn't focus on the paper, or you'll be taking pictures at 4 inches, instead of infinity.

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  54. Nothing going on from New Zealand by Audent · · Score: 2

    I have a seven-month old baby girl/early morning alarm clock so was fortunate enough to be woken at 2.30am but sadly hardly any were visible here in Auckland... even with clear skies. The moon wasn't too much of a problem either - very bright but far enough removed that it didn't blot out the part of the sky (north east) that I was watching. Saw one or two though... Hope you enjoy it in the north you lucky dogs.

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    1. Re:Nothing going on from New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You have gotten it wrong. It didn't happen yet! It happens approximately after 4 hours!

    2. Re:Nothing going on from New Zealand by Audent · · Score: 2

      no dude... here in NZ it's daytime now... our prime viewing time was last night: about eight hours ago.
      sad but true - we woz too early.

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  55. when & where in oz by more+fool+you · · Score: 1

    couldn't find any info from the links from fark.com & in the article, anyone know if us aussies will be able to watch the show?

  56. Digicams ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a stupid question, are the digicams available that allow the shutter to be opened for an arbitrary amount of time ? .... that leads to a few more questions about the ccd technology but i'll leave it that...

    1. Re:Digicams ? by adrew · · Score: 1

      I have a Toshiba PDR-M70 3 megapixel digicam. It allows one to manually control both the shutter speed and F-stop. It can leave the shutter open for up to a minute. It works pretty well, but the longer exposures do suffer from a bit of CCD noise.

      Most other decent "prosumer" digicams can do the same thing. There are also digital SLR's like this 11 megapixel Canon EOS-1 DS that are simply incredible. Check out the sample photos (3.5MB JPEGs) to see what I'm taking about. It's better than (most) film!

  57. IT WAS ONCE IN A LIFETIME.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was to those people who died last year... Or can you say that I'm wrong?

  58. Don't despair... more... by boredman · · Score: 1

    My girlfriend and I watched the 2001 show from the waterfront in Vancouver. Haze and city glare notwithstanding, it was an incredible show!

    I might be wrong, but it's definitely worth a look outside around 2-2:30.

    -boredman

  59. Listen to the far reaches of space! by kchoboter · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can also hear the meteors as they whiz past Earth.

    They disrupt radio frequencies and cause them to rebound back into Earth's atomosphere.

    This experiment back in 1999 did just that. I realize this is dated but you can listen to them youself.

    ...use your FM receiver with an external aerial. Try to find a station a long way away (that's the difficult bit, as usually a nearby station gets in the way). Under normal circumstances the transmission should be difficult or impossible to detect, but when a meteor intervenes the signal jumps over the horizon and a brief fragment of the transmission can be heard. Depending on the type of transmission, it might sound like a tone, a fragment of music or voice, or simply noise. Contact lasts for as long as the meteor train persists, usually from 100 milliseconds to a few seconds.

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  60. Blueshifting? How fast are these things GOING? by Hentai · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't they have to be traveling at about 0.01C or faster to have any perceptible blue-shift?

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  61. Wrong way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a boat, go out a mile or two. Should be much better.

  62. IT WAS ONCE IN A LIFETIME.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To those people who died last year!!! Can you argue??

  63. IT WAS ONCE IN A LIFETIME.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    event to those people who died last year. Or can you argue???

  64. Leonids would be cool by RatBastard · · Score: 0, Troll

    The Leonids would be cool if they were Open Source.

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  65. Meteor Count? Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can tell ya exactly how many meteors we'll see in the Chicago area: zero. nada. zilch. Just like all the other meteor showers for the last few years. And it's got nothing to do with the lights. This place has got to be the worst place in the solar system to view astronomical events and it's all because of the weather. Any mention of a meteor shower guarantees that Chicago and anywhere within 75 miles of the city will be under heavy clouds.

  66. misleading link by PancakeMan · · Score: 2

    The first link promises "complete instructions for 35mm, video and digital cameras," but the page actually consists of complete instructions for 35mm cameras, and advice along the lines of "video and digital cameras probably won't work, but go ahead and try them."

  67. HELO! ANYBODY HOME? CAN WE HAVE +FUNNY MODERATION? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This shit joke is damn funny! Imagine loose shit dropping out of the sky burning in the atmosphere!

  68. Are you joking??? by fritz_269 · · Score: 2, Informative

    For relativistic blueshift, the frequency of light will scale by the lorentz equation:
    f' = f * sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
    For a 10% blue shift, the relative speed would have to be about 0.4*c = 1.2x10^8 m/s = 432,000,000 KPH = 268,430,000 MPH.
    Hell, protons coming off of the sun only hit one million MPH.

    High speed meteors hit the atmosphere around 80 km/s (damn fast if you think about it!) = 288,000 KPH = 175,950 MPH. This would result in only a 0.000000712% change in apparent wavelength. Not to mention that it will slow down drastically as soon as it hits the atmosphere.

    Besides, there is no reason to think that even if there were any blueshift it would cause these things to be more visible to the human eye. I would imagine that it has something like a blackbody spectrum which will cover a very large portion of the visible spectrum, with the peak concentrated somewhere around the yellow - where our eyes are pretty sensitive already.

    Furthermore, optical background radiation is only a few photons per second - not hardly enough to make any difference to the human eye, and AFAIK, sunspots have nothing to do with it. Besides, sunspots aren't particularly out of whack right now: Solar Physics Dept of Belgium (Official sunspot counts).

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  69. Star gazers in the Bay Area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a question for San Francisco Bay Area residents: is anyone here planning to view the meteor shower tonight? space.com suggested a location that is open to the east, since the shower will emanated from just above the eastern horizon. I was looking for suggestions for a good place to watch. I am relatively new to the Bay Area, and thus am not familiar with the local geography. Is there a place within 60 miles or so that is relatively removed from city lights, and allows once to observe the eastern sky? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

  70. Here's the site to give you the best time to view by Phoenix-kun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go to this site to determine the best viewing time for your location and the predicted count.

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  71. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Leonid watches YOU!!!

  72. How long has this been going on? by radicalaxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems like every year since 1998 they've been predicting the best meteor shower ever. *jaded* Ah, it appears this will be the last one. Perhaps I will get up at 4AM again. I did it last year and it was really impressive -- even the view from our window was something.

  73. Re: Flaming Bullshit! by cronus42 · · Score: 1

    Jesus! Who modded this informative? This is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen. Where did YOU take Physics 101??! If these meteors were traveling fast enough to blueshift:

    say, 400,000 Kph, and massed 1kg each:

    KE=1/2MV^2

    1/2(1000)(4e10)^2 = 8e23 ergs = 80,000,000,000,000,000 joules = about 19 megatons EACH!

    RUN FOR COVER!!!!

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    Cronus
  74. I am excited. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    I have already started my log. Partly cloudy except in the area of the moon. None yet. but it's only pre-20:00.

  75. Re: Flaming Bullshit! Corrected by cronus42 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, that should read:

    say, 400,000,000 Kph, and massed 1kg each:

    KE=1/2MV^2

    1/2(1000)(1.2e10)^2 = 7.2e22 ergs = 7,200,000,000,000,000 joules = about 1.72 megatons EACH!

    I don't know what I was thinking... ; P

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  76. one in five by Veteran · · Score: 3, Informative

    For any individual viewer observing the Meteor Shower is a safe event; the risk of damage from a meteor is much lower than the chance of being eaten by a bear during the same time frame.

    However - for the Earth as a whole that is not true. If one of the meteors which broke off the comet is only 50 or 60 meters in diameter the result would be an impact similar to Tunguska in the last century; a 20 to 30 megaton blast capable of destroying a city and killing millions.

    The chance that we will lose a city somewhere on earth to an impact event during this century is about one in five.

    1. Re:one in five by snowbike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't worry chicken little, with the Leonids you are really quite safe.

      For the Leonids (which is the subject of the article, after all), even a large meteor will burn up in the atmosphere. The Leonid entry velocity is 70 km/s. Because the composition is mostly ice, meaning the Leonids have a lower density (approx. 1) than a typical meteor, and because of the high velocity, the Leonids burn up very quickly (relative to a "typical meteor"). The Leonids maintain a nearly constant velocity as they enter the atmosphere, and nearly any size Leonid will burn up by ~85 km altitude at the lowest. A more typical meteor, moving at 20 km/s with a density of approx. 3 will both slow down as it passes through the atmosphere (if large enough, it will slow down to the terminal velocity of any body falling in the atmosphere, and basically be in "free fall"). And for a typical meteor, 100 metric tons at "source" will be 1 kg on the ground.

      I'm really a homebrewer, I just play a scientist at work.

      ps Best wishes for a good storm tonight!

    2. Re:one in five by notaspy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not many bears big enough to eat the earth. A couple celestial Ursas, maybe, but they're awfully far away and don't roam much. Heck, they don't even throw rocks at us, like that pesky lion.

      "the risk of damage from a meteor is much lower than the chance of being eaten by a bear during the same time frame. However - for the Earth as a whole that is not true."

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    3. Re:one in five by joggle · · Score: 1
      Although you are right that the chances of an impact are increadibly low, it is possible that a chunk of a comet could cause a Tunguska event. In fact, the most prevalent theory for the cause of the Tunguska event is that it was the result of a comet as opposed to a meteor. This is because no crater was ever found nor where any meteor shards ever found on the ground.

      I don't know where the original poster came up with his "1 in 5" chance of such an event occuring over a city within 100 years as, to my knowledge, only one such event has ever been observed occuring on earth, and that, of course, occured in the middle of nowhere in Russia (if an event like this had occured over or near a city within the past couple of thousand years, you can bet it would have been documented).

  77. Yeah yeah yeah. It's a hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last year's Leonid meteor storm didn't happen at all, there were hardly any meteors at all. This year's biggest Perseid meteor shower in a dozen decades didn't happen either, there weren't any more meteors than on any other night. It's all a hoax, astronomers don't really have a clue. They like to spout off and act like they know, but they don't. They're like all the Linux assholes who answer every question with RTFM because they have no clue either. Astronomers are just a bunch of thieving weasels who like to get people to go outside and look up so they can sneak in their houses and steal their stuff. For real.

  78. It's a hoax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like last year's big Leonid "meteor storm" that didn't happen. Or this summer's spectacular Perseid non-event. Duh. How many times will you stupid people get sucked into looking for meteors that just aren't there?

    1. Re:It's a hoax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's weird, I saw pleanty of Leonid meteors last year.

  79. Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Got me, asshole.

    (Sometimes you gotta feed the trolls. This bastard earned it.)

  80. Not to worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you go outside and stare blankly at the sky, you won't see anything, just like the people in the northern hemisphere. It's a hoax, just like last year's big meteor storm was.

  81. Once in a lifetime my fat arse by child_of_mercy · · Score: 2

    Once in a lifetime?

    my fat arse

    The leonids come through for 2-3 year recurrent periods every 31 years.

    and some years they come through when you haven't got a full moon in the sky (unlike this lot).

    that would be a lot closer to "once in a lifetime"

    I wish the astromony nuts would stop over-inflating expectations.

    the best meteor showers i've seen have been completely unexpected and un-announced.

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    'There is a Light that never goes out.'
    1. Re:Once in a lifetime my fat arse by cheese_wallet · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      do you know what a paragraph is?

    2. Re:Once in a lifetime my fat arse by child_of_mercy · · Score: 1

      an internet style nazi, just what the world needs you pathetic little man.

      now have a go at the content and give yourself an uppercut for being near-terminally shallow.

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      'There is a Light that never goes out.'
    3. Re:Once in a lifetime my fat arse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is kinda funny

      because it looked like you went to the

      trouble of using paragraph tags at the end of every line.

      But in the source it looks like you submitted

      plain text and just hit the enter key twice

      everytime you reached the end of the text box.

      Which is still kinda funny:)

  82. Life expectancy by drmofe · · Score: 1

    How on earth (or just slightly off it) do you get a "once in a lifetime" event for something that happens annually?

    well, I suppose if you get hit by a lump of rock that didn't burn up completely it might be...

    STF

  83. A cautionary tale by erik_fredricks · · Score: 2

    After seeing this, I'll be sure to park my car in the garage tonight!

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    Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 2F18

    1. Re:A cautionary tale by erik_fredricks · · Score: 2

      Oops, I meant to say this . Damn submit button...

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      THE GOOD HUMOR MAN CAN ONLY BE PUSHED SO FAR
      Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 2F18

  84. Health Warning by radon28 · · Score: 1

    He should really be careful.. sitting too close to the tv is bad for your eyes.

  85. Sorry, had to do it, it's the damn numbers... by Jeffv323 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Alternate Explanation #4: ...
    Alternate Explanation #5: Profit!!

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    I'm a minister!
  86. Easy now... by cjsnell · · Score: 2

    Not all of us here are fat slobs, munching cheesy-poofs in front of the CRT! I spent the weekend with my Texas Army National Guard unit in the field. We're an infantry unit so there wasn't much sitting around the office. On Saturday night, I got a great view of meteor showers while I was doing a nighttime land navigation course. Speaking of meteors (and since that is our topic here), you're not out of luck if you don't make it out tonight or tomorrow. They've been falling in great numbers for the past few weeks.

    1. Re:Easy now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all of us here are fat slobs, munching cheesy-poofs in front of the CRT!

      No joke! My LCD monitor is sweeeet!

  87. Day of the Triffids by OmniGeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Me, I think I'll spend the night in a windowless room and come out in the morning to a world full of people blinded by the mysterious alien rays, but I'll have to watch out for the Triffids roaming the landscape eating all and sundry.

    Of course, if John Wyndham had written Day of the Triffids after the advent of the Internet, he'd have used geeks as his accidentally-sighted protagonists instead of a bandaged hospital patient. The hardcore geeks will probably be taking advantage of the bandwidth everyone else isn't using 'cause they're all outside skywatching, and will catch their meteors on the NASA site ;-)

    --

    "My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
  88. Re: Flaming Bullshit! by fritz_269 · · Score: 1

    Actually, if you're going realitivistic speeds, you have to apply the lorentz equation to get the Kinetic Energy.

    KE = (1/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2) - 1) * mc^2

    So for v = 1.2e8 m/s (~10% blueshift) and m=1kg
    KE = 10% * 1kg * 9e16 m^2/s^2 = 9e15 Joules
    which would only be about 2-9 Megatons (depending on your coversion factor.)

    Of course, our big bombs today are about 20 Megatons, but Hiroshima was only about 12 kilotons. So I agree - RUN FOR COVER! ;) At a few thousand blasts per hour, that would be enough to significantly warm the atmosphere, and since we'd be hitting them head-on, it would slow the earth's orbital velocity, dropping the orbit closer to the sun. Hope you can swim.

    FWIW, I also realised that it would have to be coming straight at you to see the full blueshift - if you saw a tail at all, it would be entering at an angle and the shift would be diminished by a cosine factor.

    --
    -- Heisenberg might have slept here.
  89. Re:Yeah yeah yeah. It's a hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You rule.

  90. Many Leonids are about marble sized by fritz_269 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From here
    The faintest meteor that becomes visible to the average viewer on Earth is typically about 0.6 millimeters across (less than one-tenth of an inch or about the size of a sand grain). While such a speck is here and gone in a flash, the energy involved could light a 100-watt light bulb for about 2.5 seconds, Cooke said.

    A slightly larger meteor, just 1 millimeter across and only moderately bright, packs the punch of a .22 caliber bullet.

    Spectacularly bright fireballs, for which this annual event is known, dissipate far more energy during their plunge through the atmosphere. A typical fireball, which can briefly shine as bright as the planet Venus, is the size of a marble, about 9 millimeters in diameter.

    "Such a critter has a striking power in excess of 1 million joules, or about the same punch as a VW moving at 60 mph," Cooke marveled, "from a particle just over one-third of an inch across!"
    --
    -- Heisenberg might have slept here.
  91. Re:Meteor Count? Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am in iowa 3 hours east of you and it is starting to clear...set the alarm for 4 am!

  92. Birmingham, UK by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

    GRRRR. Clouds. And fog. Can't even see a single star.

    Every single celestial event I've wanted to see, has been ruined by clouds. I was at the total solar eclipse in 1999 and that was completely overcast too!

    This is the thickest fog and clouds I've seen since last winter. Strangely enough the weather's been quite reasonable up until tonight.

    Damn British weather. To hell with this, I'm going to bed!

  93. and if i can wake up butt early in the morning.... by illumina+us · · Score: 1

    i just might watch it. oh well, it's only 30min earlier than usual, guess i'll just have an extra cup of java.

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  94. woah.... far out... by EngMedic · · Score: 1

    hippie 1: i can hear the meteors, man!
    hippie 2: yeah, man... if you sit over here, you can hear the mountains, too!

    maybe it's time to lay off the peyote...

    --
    filter: +3. Hey, look! all the trolls went away!
  95. Help me! by dosh8er · · Score: 1

    What can I do about all these stupid clouds?!? Stupid Michigan weather! It _was_ nice today... I don't wanna wait 30 more years...

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  96. Borrring by Beowulfe · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Michigan we can't see anything but clouds. Well, at least it settles my debate about Stargate:SG1 vs The Leonids.

  97. In Central Connecticut... by Milk+and+Cookies · · Score: 0

    It's going to be overcast until morning. Looks like I'll have to wait another year.

  98. Best direction to look? by killerkalamari · · Score: 1

    My star chart seems to show the constellation Leo in the northeast at 2:30am Arizona Time. Is this the best direction in which to look?

    1. Re:Best direction to look? by killerkalamari · · Score: 1

      Found it! Lots of good information in that article, too a while to find what I needed: http://starryskies.com/leonids/leonids-where-to-lo ok.html This is the same site as in the original article.

  99. not the last leonids by msheppard · · Score: 2

    Is it me, or is every year the "last chance" for the "best ever." I feel like I'm buying a used car. Last year was great! But they said it wouldn't be good until 2099, or something. Here's the Slashdot Article, so yes go look, yes have a good time, but don't think this is the last time we'll see leonids in our life time.

    M@

    --
    Krispy Cream is people
  100. Get out and look! by Jim.McGinness · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here in Southern New Hampshire the skies are clear even if they're not dark (full moon plus all the man-made light). I just saw 5 meteors in about 15 minutes of watching, 3 whose trails stretched nearly halfway across the sky and the other 2 were little ones.

    Sorry about those of you whose weather is working against them. I'm going back out to watch after grabbing another couple of layers of blanket.

  101. It's cloudy in Northern Virgina so far... by dormat · · Score: 1

    As of about midnight, it's relatively overcast in Northern Virginia. Can't really see much. Hopefully it will be clear in a few hours. Everyone cross there fingers :).

    From weather.com:

    33F
    Cloudy Feels Like
    33F
    UV Index: 0 Minimal
    Dew Point: 30F
    Humidity: 89%
    Visibility: Unlimited miles
    Pressure: 30.34 inches and steady
    Wind: calm
    As reported at Dulles Arpt., VA

    1. Re:It's cloudy in Northern Virgina so far... by istartedi · · Score: 2

      At least we *know* it's going to be a dud this year. The moon is full and the radar shows those clouds you mention spread over a wide area. Last year I stayed up, and then fog rolled in half an hour before peak. The only people in NoVA who did well last year were the ones that drove out to Fauquier. 12:30 AM and I'm going to bed. I'll leave the blinds up though. If we have a *real* meteor storm, the clouds won't matter. I read accounts of one back in the 19th century where people woke out of a sound sleep. Frankly, I don't think I will ever do much better than the unusually strong Perseids of '93. I saw at least a dozen bright ones that left trails that year, and one that was so bright it cast a shadow and made a noise. I turned just in time to see it disappear.

      --
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  102. I wont see it to much clods :_( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wont see it to much clods :_(
    My life sucks

  103. Figures... by radiashun · · Score: 1

    Michigan is currently the only place in the US w/ cloudy skies. Give me a friggin' break...

    1. Re:Figures... by Tokerat · · Score: 2

      Nope, Mass is clouded over/fogged over as well. :-(

      I missed it last year because of my bitch ex-girlfriend, and this year cuz of weather. Oh well, I'll have to live until I'm 54 then.

      --
      CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
  104. Google Shortcomings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search: leonid counts

    Result #1
    Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:01:47 -0500

    Once again, I question if the difficulty of finding stuff can still merit the expense of the broadband I subscribe to. I'd have cancelled it by now if I could find a trustworthy registrar who 1.) forwards mail 2.) accecpts money orders (bank no longer offering smiley face since my being laid off)

    Kinda trapped with the cable modem for now since I run the mail server for my domain on it.

    Oh yeah, anyone know a site for leonid reports? :)

  105. Total count: 20 in about 90 minutes by Jim.McGinness · · Score: 2

    Not a dud, but hardly the stuff of legends. I was lucky to have two bright ones shortly after I started to watch -- these helped me locate the putative point of origin, even though, for the most part, I could see very few stars in that sector of the sky because of the lights of Manchester, NH. There I saw a lot of the little guys whose trails weren't much longer than a couple of times the moon's diameter.

    Now I gotta read up on this stuff. Why is this stuff hanging around at just this point in the earth's orbit? Our planet has to hustle around the sun to keep from falling in...why haven't these little bits of comet debris fallen into the sun.

    1. Re:Total count: 20 in about 90 minutes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the same reason we've not fallen into the sun.

    2. Re:Total count: 20 in about 90 minutes by Jim.McGinness · · Score: 2

      Well, yes, I'm fairly confident that once I understand what's going on here, it will be consistent with known physics. But I'm still looking to understand and you've chosen to be snide rather than to provide information.

      Here's the state of my current understanding of this phenomenon:

      We have a periodic comet whose orbit intersects earth's orbit at about the position earth occupies every 18-19 November. Over time, bits of the comet have been separated from the main body. The forces that caused the separation of these bits have not been so great as to drive them into wildly different orbits. As we learned from Galileo, two objects of different mass fall at the same rate, therefore these bits have retained roughly the same orbit as their parent body, but occupy a different position along the orbital course. Each time the comet passes near the sun, more bits break off -- some lighter bits are driven away entirely, but bigger bits just get perturbed slightly. These perturbations serve to stretch out the original mass of the comet. Eventually, with enough time, the entire mass of the comet would tend towards a fairly uniformly distribution along this orbital path to form a sort of ring like the rings of Saturn, but for the time being, it's a lumpy, lopsided ring. The 31-year periodicity of the Leonid activity corresponds to the 31-year period of the cometary orbit. At the peaks, the earth is passing through the denser parts of the lumps along the ring while at less intense times, the earth passes through the comet's orbit at points where the ring is thin and sparse.

    3. Re:Total count: 20 in about 90 minutes by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Because those little bits of comet debris haven't got quite the mass (->gravitational attraction) that the earth does. Of course, this is just what I think the answer is; I'm no astrophysicistisicismist.

  106. Australia? by zardie · · Score: 2

    Is this visible from the land down under?

  107. leonid report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    illinois
    12:14 AM CST
    Clear Skies
    No Leonids seen during 15 minute watch.

  108. In-flight entertainment by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 2

    I've seen this a few times, actually. My last three trips to Indianapolis (I live in Oklahoma City), I've seen meteors either while flying to or from Indy. The first trip was a year ago, and I saw them between St. Louis and Terre Haute; the second was in September, and I saw them between St. Louis and Springfield, MO; the third was last weekend, and I saw them just as I was leaving Springfield, MO. It's absolutely amazing to see; on two different occasions, I've seen meteors, pulsing green, pass through my altitude. Truly stunning. Matter of fact, it inspired me to write a column about meteors. I'm not going flying tonight, but I am going to go watch the showers; I encourage everybody else to do so as well.

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    Moderate drunk! It's more fun that way!
  109. Any reports from the first wave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australia? Europe? Is it worth the rest of us staying up to watch?

  110. Use FM if you cant see them by tanveer1979 · · Score: 2

    For those who in clouds or daylight can tune their FM radio to some far FM channel(102+ MHz) where there is no FM radio signal. Whoosh whoosh sounds you will hear :)

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  111. Try this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    an internet style nazi, just what the world needs, you little plastic man.

  112. Early report from CST by robedwards · · Score: 1

    At 2am, there is a bright trail every 2-3 minutes. Given the full moon, and that I am in a city, not bad, should be a lot better in a couple of hours....where's the red bull.

    Look east, most of the trails are running east-west towards where the moon is now.

    1. Re:Early report from CST by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      4:00am in Rockford, 70 miles NW of chicago, somewhat hazy but can see stars...a few VERY bright trails every 10 minutes or so...too bad too much city light. Would like to get at least one of these bright streaks on film...no success doing that yet

    2. Re:Early report from CST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Memphis, TN I saw a pretty good show right in my back yard even with the city lights. Lots of small ones and big ones with green trails about every two minutes or so.

  113. Leonids in La Plata, Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spent the whole night out, freezing. Until 4am, I didn't see anything... and then I saw a very bright green one that crossed the sky. Beatiful. Then two smaller red ones, and then a green one that left me breathless, it slow-burned while falling to the East. That one was simply amazing. Then a few smaller ones, then again some big ones... in the end, I saw 16 leonids, 7 of them being brighter than Venus and really beautiful. The moon wasn't much of an annoyance -- I wasn't expecting to see a single one from down here! Instead, I got 16. I couldn't be happier!

    Leandro from La Plata, Argentina.
    leandro@leela.com.ar

  114. Great in Oslo, Norway by KjetilK · · Score: 2
    I was out at 5 o'clock this morning, and it was absolutely great. At that time, we passed through the 1767 band, which is less dense than the 1866 band USians will see. In addition, we had full moon and a humid atmosphere, so conditions were far from good. Yet I saw so many nice meteors this may indicate that the boldest predictions have been correct.

    So enjoy!

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    Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
  115. Well, crap! by RebornData · · Score: 2

    Up at 4:00 to see the show, and it's overcast. But when was the last time you found all the NASA TV streaming sites /.'ed at this hour?

    1. Re:Well, crap! by MicroBerto · · Score: 2
      Yeah this sucks

      I'm a college student, actually made it to bed early to be up now, and now I can see wonderful clouds. damnation!

      --
      Berto
  116. I heard a "ping"! by Tottori · · Score: 1

    Twice last night when I saw a meteor I heard a pinging noise. I thought it was just a combination of a windchime and coincidence, but maybe not!

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  117. Too foggy in North London by EnglishTim · · Score: 2

    There was a thick layer of fog last night. I'm most irritated.

    1. Re:Too foggy in North London by PigleT · · Score: 2

      South London (Croydon) was mostly clouded over especially in the south and just above the northern horizon. However, I saw two between 0245 and 0310 this morning before going back to bed.

      Why do these things have to happen on a week-day?! ;)

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      ~Tim
      --
      .|` Clouds cross the black moonlight,
      Rushing on down to the circle of the turn
    2. Re:Too foggy in North London by badzilla · · Score: 1

      Bracknell clouded out too.

      I did learn something new however - my back garden is an extremely scary place at 0330 (memo to self, next time don't sit up playing AVP2 all night while waiting for meteor showers to start...)

      --
      "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace." V.Stone, Microsoft Corporation
  118. Time to break out Celestia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't see all that many, ~20 tonight. Mu eastern Horizon isn't really visible, but they didn't seem to be all the way over there.
    Maybe if it was pitch black...anyways, I guess I will have to simulate it on my phat linux box. It would be more rewarding anyways: to code all night basking in the warmth of my pII& warm to touch scsi disks until the wee hours of morning when suddenly - I get a clean compile & there are all these openGL shooting stars everywhere when I set the date forward 30 yrs to see the next Leonids, and then 1030 yrs, 4.5 billion years, then during the Big Crunch...

    1. Re:Time to break out Celestia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, well that's ~10 between 4&5am and 20 more between 5-5:45 - I think they were off by an hour.
      That's the problem with astronomers - to them 300,000 yrs is the blink of an eye.
      Oh, and that's a PIII (I guess they're warmer(this morning it is))

  119. Northern California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just saw one (3 minutes ago) big one (saw it on the lake first) split apart into 4 diffrent smaller ones each leaving a lingering visible trail. it was fscking RAD, couldn't miss it.

    1. Re:Northern California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so jealous of your lake. I wish they would make these skycharts silver w/black dots for stars.

    2. Re:Northern California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um...yea...ok.

  120. South Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I woke up at 4:30 a.m. to study for a test in school but I remembered this story so I went out to my backyard for a look. I stood behind a plant to block the moon, and luckily I saw 1-2 streaks across the sky a minute. Unfortunantly I got cold so I came back in, but still an interesting look. Now I study.

    1. Re:South Texas by faeryman · · Score: 1

      Where in Texas are you? Anywhere near the coast? If so I'll have to tell my brother what he missed.

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      ,
      faeryman
    2. Re:South Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm on the border to Mexico. There were no clouds in the sky but the moon was pretty bright. Still, I saw a few meteors in the sky.

  121. Leo-nots by msheppard · · Score: 2

    Looks to me like someone estimation tool was proven wrong this year. Last year (2001) kicked this year's ass.

    My personal data:
    2000: 68 per hr
    2001: 450 per hr
    2002: 93 per hr

    M@

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    Krispy Cream is people
    1. Re:Leo-nots by phidipides · · Score: 1

      From the SF Bay Area with terrible light conditions my roommates and I saw at least 200 over a forty-five minute period, including a stretch of about two minutes in which 30-40 showed up. Don't know what it was like last year as I was overseas.

  122. Barrie, Ontario by faeryman · · Score: 1

    Sadly, it was too cloudy to see anything really. We got a glimpse of 2 or 3 around 5:20, but that was about it. The radio sure liked it though ;)

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    faeryman
  123. cloudy in NE Pennsylvania by .smoke · · Score: 1

    It's pretty cloudy in North-East Pennsylvania... I can make out some of the brighter stars (and planets). I did see a few shooting stars, though! Just barely bright enough to shine through the clouds. The Sun's coming up soon, though, and the sky's starting to get too bright to see much else. Last year was definitely better here...

    -Smoke.
    (off to get some more hot caffeine!)

    1. Re:cloudy in NE Pennsylvania by kingOFgEEEks · · Score: 1

      same here in altoona.

      real bummer. at least i got to snuggle my girlfriend under the stars for a couple hours before we gave up.

      we did have a break in the clouds around 5-5:30 ish AM EST, and we saw several dozen, but then the wind picked up, and the clouds returned.

      oh well, at least last year was a blast.

      --
      mechanicos ergo cogito
  124. View from Wyoming by Darksun · · Score: 0

    Well, I stayed up for this, and it was well worth it. From about 10 miles outside of Casper Wyoming, we saw approximately 70-90 meteorites fall, some big, some small, and a green one. It was simply amazing and I'm glad I was able to witness this phenomenon.

    That is all.

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    *tap tap tap* this thing on?
  125. Worth it. by krypt0s · · Score: 1

    Living in the middle of Atlanta, my viewing conditions were about as far from ideal as they could be. The light from the city is extreme, not to mention there was very, very heavy cloud cover tonight.

    That said, what a show! I threw on a heavy coat, took a thermos of hot coffee down to the pool area at my apartment complex and relaxed in a lounge chair. I reclined to give myself the perfect view of the constellation Leo... well, more accurately, a perfect view of the dense clouds covering the area of sky where Leo should have been. I waited from about 4:45 - 5:30 before the first real break in the clouds appeared. What followed was about 30 minutes of some of the most memorable celestial activity I have ever witnessed. Even with all the light interference, I saw probably a hundred bright streaks across the sky, some coming in rapid succession. Most left amazing smoky streaks behind them that lingered for a few seconds.

    I hope everyone else with conditions as poor as mine stuck it out. It was truly a sight to behold and never forget.

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  126. Report from No. Ca. by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1
    Just finished watching for over an hour, 30ish mi N of San Francisco.


    At about 2:15 the number of meteors/min started picking up; bursts of four of five in a few seconds.
    This became nearly steady at about 2:35 until around 2:55, with many small, fast streaks and several large and bright meteors. Total count 104 or so between 2:00 and 3:10 AM PST. I was alone an a lawn chair on
    our very moonlit suburban side street.


    This was way superior to last year (caught under brutal 'tule fog' at a Napa resort - hot tubbed instead of freezing in the dark) or 2000 ( scudding
    fog and clouds in Pacific Grove, outside Monterey).


    Good luck Hawaii!

    --

    I bought this house and you know I'm boss
    Ain't no h'aint gonna run me off

  127. DON'T visit REDIRECTED link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a fake Yahoo link.

  128. Re:Great from a plane - Lab instructor by saskboy · · Score: 2

    http://leonid.arc.nasa.gov/
    He is in the group at the top. The pictures will likely be here.

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  129. West Texas by TheMonkeyDepartment · · Score: 2

    Absolutely majestic. The meteor shower peaked around 4:50 local time, when I counted 55 in a 5-minute period. Some of the meteors happened simultaneously. I'm glad I set my alarm for 3:30 (although it took quite an act of willpower to get up)!!!

  130. Meteor Scatter Ham Radio Contacts by n8ur · · Score: 2

    It was raining here in Ohio, so no visible sign of the Leonids. But I got up early and turned on my ham 6M and 2M rigs and heard lots of meteor-scatter activity.

    Meteor trails ionize the atmosphere, making them reflective to radio waves. You can bounce signals off the trails, and there were bunches of folks doing that this morning, particularly on the 6M (50MHz) band, which is optimum for this sort of thing.

    It's really interesting to listen to. You hear nothing, then all of a sudden the signal goes to S9 (ie, strong) and stays that way for anything from a couple of seconds to a minute or more. Then it fades away and you wait for the next burst.

    I only had a low power transmitter, so listened a lot more than I talked, but I did work a station near Boston, MA who heard my 20 watts with no problems during a good burst. Better equipped stations were working from the east coast to well west of the Mississippi.

  131. Once in a lifetime! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well of course it is. You're not going to see the 2002 Leonids next year, now are you??

    Having said/spewed that, I got up aroudn 4:00 CST and watched for most of the hour. It wasn't the best I've seen, but for the brief time I watched, it was pretty good. I'm in Memphis, TN and near the city lights, so I definitely wasn't in the optimal viewing situation... I remember a much better shower last year. (yep, one a year - whether I need it or not...)

  132. I have no sky, and I must scream by murcon · · Score: 1

    Crappy Michigan weather. Completely overcast all night and into the dawn.

    1. Re:I have no sky, and I must scream by raindr · · Score: 1

      Yep, the kicker is the last big meteor shower was similar. I want a sleep refund.

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  133. Great Show in North Florida by Walrus99 · · Score: 1

    I actually got up at 5 a.m. and drove to the outskits of town to watch the shower. It was great, I counted 100 in 20 minutes. If it wasn't so cold here I would have stayed out longer (35F, I know thats balmy for some of you, but cold for Tallahassee). At least the skies were clear.

    Some seemed to skip along the atmosphere, fading in and out. There were several doubles and triples going off in different directions. Full moon, but it was low in the sky by 5 a.m. and didn't seem to cause too much back glow. Can't wait for the next big one 100 years from now.

  134. Good show in Northern Virgina by azadrozny · · Score: 1
    I woke up around 5:15am this morning and the sky was very clear. Unfortunatly I live about 5 miles from Dulles Airport and the street lamps were on so there was a lot of light masking some of the sky. Despite this I was able to see a really good show. I saw at least 3 every minute or so. I even saw one that appeared to skip accross the sky. The Space Station was supposed to appear around 5:10, but I got out too late to see it. I think I did see another satelite moving west to east, I appeared to be too high to be a plane.

    I am very glad I woke up to see it, I just wish I had the time to go out further from DC to watch it.

    1. Re:Good show in Northern Virgina by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1

      I agree with azadrozny - The show was real pretty in Northern Virginia. Even with Loudoun County light pollution I counted at least 10 meteors low enough and bright enough to have pale green ionization trails, and a couple of big ones, one of which seemed to die out just before descending over the eastern horizon.

      I think I did see the ISS about the time you say it was around. Quite a show, overall.

      --
      "The plural of anecdote is not data" -- Bruce Schneier
  135. That's one big bear (Ursa Major?) by grummerX · · Score: 1
    ...the risk of damage from a meteor is much lower than the chance of being eaten by a bear during the same time frame.

    However - for the Earth as a whole that is not true.

    I would hope not ... what exactly is the likelihood that the Earth as a whole will be eaten by a bear?

    --grummerX

  136. Even better at 5:30 EST - 52 in 30min by Jim.McGinness · · Score: 2

    Random reinforcement is a terrible force. I set my alarm to get me up in time to see the predicted second wave and I'm glad I did.

    Shortly before dawn, about 5:15 to 5:45, I spotted 52 more meteors. Full moon was fairly far down in the west but the city lights and rosy fingers of dawn were still there to contend with. I envy the people who could see colors!

  137. Las Vegas Leonids by CmdrPinkTaco · · Score: 1

    My girlfriend and I went out to the lake which is about fifteen miles from the brightest dang town on the planet. Got there around midnight and parked at a picnic spot where they had covered benches, so we used the cover to shade our eyes from the moon and looked eastward. After about a half hour of noticing that most of the show was further right from where we were sitting we adjusted our view and got an even better show.
    Left around 130 since we both had to be up at 800 , but still saw a great show, probably between the two of us we saw about 100 in an hour. Considering there was just enough haze in the sky to let the moon illuminate it and the city wasn't helping either, it wasn't wasted effort. I was really surprised to see how many cars were heading out to the lake at two in the morning as we were leaving, it is a national park and not a lot of people hang out there after dark. Anyone else on slash in the vegas area check out the show How was it after 130

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  138. Re: Flaming Bullshit! by cronus42 · · Score: 1


    You're right of course, I wasn't thinking that far ahead! (Yes, I was lucky to get the math right on the second try yesterday).

    I saw about 200 meteorites in an hour this morning. I don't remember any of them going of with a force more than a megaton or so ; ) .. I guess we're ok for the next 33 years!

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  139. NASA TV archive by ecloud · · Score: 2

    Did anybody capture it?

  140. Saw a few by jafac · · Score: 2

    Wasn't really as good as last year, but the sky was more clear, and on the West coast, the moon was pretty low in the sky by 2:30am.

    What I saw were a few average ones, (not a lot of really bright fireballs, many trails, but no trains). And there was an odd pattern to them. We'd see 5-10 of them in the space of about 30 seconds, then nothing, absolutely nothing, for 5-10 minutes, then another little burst. That was pretty much it from 1:45 to 3am, the times I was out. I didn't have time to review my video footage, I assume it's going to suck. I used a Sony DCR-TRV20 with "nightshot" on. Got some good video of my kids oohing and ahhing, but nothing was showing up in the viewfinder at all. I think the key to meteor showers is a wide-angle lens. Or luck.

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  141. View from Eden Prairie, MN (long) by rhfrommn · · Score: 1

    I went out to observe the Leonids at 4:00 am and stayed out until
    5:10 am. The moon was very bright so the limiting magnitude was about 4 or 4.5
    (vs. 6 in a typical dark sky). You could see all the prominent stars in the
    constellations, but there were plenty of stars I knew you should be able to see
    with your naked eye that were invisible due to the brightness. There was about
    40% thin cloud cover at first, which decreased throughout the night to none by
    the time I went in. The clouds were thin enough that even when they covered a
    constellation you could still see the brighter stars. The main thing they did
    was light up the sky even worse than the moon alone would have.

    At first very little was going on. There were no meteors at all the first 10
    minutes or so. I was beginning to wonder if it was just too bright and
    thinking about going in. Then I thought I caught a couple in my peripheral
    vision. Then one that was clearly visible. So I decided to stay out. Good
    call.

    It built up slowly, then seemed to jump dramatically about 4:30 (I didn't
    remember a watch so the times are guesses). I saw 3 of them which came so
    quickly in the same part of the sky that they were all visible at once. Then
    after about a 5 second pause another 2 happened simultaneously. A friend
    mentioned seeing similar bursts in his email about the Leonids. My guess as to
    the explaination for these is that one particle breaks up high enough in the
    atmosphere that it isn't glowing yet, then each part continues on roughly the
    same trajectory so they burn up at roughly the same spot at the same time. I
    saw a few of those bursts and so did he, so it seems too common for random
    chance. I never saw 3 simultaneous meteors in different areas or different
    trajectories, so it seems to me there must be a cause for why the paths were so
    similar on all the observed bursts.

    During the peak there were several meteors a minute. At the very highest point
    it was probably 10 or more per minute. I was wondering if I could keep accurate
    count they were coming so fast. Unfortunately, that is where the intensity of
    the shower quit increasing. It only lasted a few minutes then it was back to
    the 2-5 per minute range. The peak lasted about 15-20 minutes, then it started
    tapering off. By the end I had to wait several minutes between meteors again,
    although I'm sure there were many, many faint ones all along I just couldn't
    see.

    Almost half of the meteors I counted left visible trails which lasted from one
    to several seconds. This is way higher than I expected. I wonder if the atmosphere was so saturated from the thin
    cloud cover that they were leaving contrails just like jets do on certain days.

    I saw 2 which were definately brighter than Jupiter. The brightest was much
    brighter, probably as bright as Venus. It left a multipart smoke trail the
    brightest chunk of which was also brighter than Jupiter. The trail was visible
    for about 15-20 seconds. There were another 6-8 which were brighter than
    Regulus (magnitude 1) and probably a dozen or more roughly equal to regulus.

    Overall I saw 108 meteors, 50 of which left trails. I also recorded 15
    "probable" meteors where I saw a flash in my peripheral vision but couldn't
    lock onto it fast enough to be positive it was one. I'm sure the number would
    have been much higher if I could have gotten to a dark sky but the moon,
    clouds, and Eden Prairie backyard skyglow conspired to wipe out the majority of
    the meteors which were too faint to see.

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  142. Seemed wimpy compared to last year by billstewart · · Score: 2

    I drove up Mt. Hamilton, east of San Jose, CA, to an area that would have been pretty dark except that the full moon was blazingly bright. There was a bit of haze, which the moon lit up as well, so only the brighter stuff showed. I'd guess that between 2am-3am we saw maybe 50-100, though we weren't counting. A few were quite impressive, but it wasn't anything like last year's amazing show. I'm not sure how much of this was because of the number of meteors going by and how much was because the moonlight made all of the dim ones invisible, while last year was dark enough we could see far more of the meteors that went by and better details on the ones we saw.

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  143. Nice in Colorado Mountains by billstewart · · Score: 2

    A few years back, I was out in Colorado for the August meteors. One night I was out camping and got a good view of the early ones, and the main night of the shower I was floating in a hot spring outside of Steamboat. It's an idyllic and relaxing way to watch, and beats freezing the night away.

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  144. goddamn clouds... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... I drive up to my folks up in the Berkshire mountains where you can see the Milky Way on a clear night in order to get a good seat for the show, and there's fucking pea-soup clouds backlit by a full moon..

    Where's the cloud-seeders when you need them?