Taurine is a "conditional amino acid", and can be formed simply by consuming other amino acids, just like every other plant-eater.
Creatine isn't essential in any shape, and most is formed within the body, but can be found in foods like cranberries if you really want to eat it. (Or in tubs at the grocery store. The amount in meat isn't very useful either.)
Non-heme iron is absorbed as well, and heme iron isn't considered 'essential' by any means. (And only ~60% of the iron in flesh is heme iron.)
DHA isn't considered an essential nutrient, and in normal people is formed from actual essential fatty acids (your Omega 3's, 6's and 9's, which are all easily found in plants). But if you want to eat it, it comes from the same place as fish get it: algae. (Fish don't magically create it, they eat smaller fish who ate smaller fish who ate algae.)
Cholecalciferol (Vit D3) supplements are now made from lichen, mushrooms and other non-animal sources, and ergocalciferol (Vit D2) works just fine, and is also from non-animal sources. Or just get off your computer and spend some time outside in the sun.
Like nearly all the above, there is no nutritional requirement for carnosine, and is formed in the body by eating plants.
B12 isn't 'provided by meat', it's provided by microbes. Do a Google search, you'll find 79% of the US population is deficient or low in B12. USADA, Health Canada and other major health orgs recommend EVERYONE over the age of 50 take a B12 supplement (and I bet you the age will drop). So meat isn't a reliable source either (and you won't want it either considering how much of the B12 in meat comes from fecal matter.) I'll stick to my weekly supplement, thanks.
Here's an interesting stat: ~97% of the US population is deficient in fiber. Which meats provide that? A surprising number of Americans are deficient in Vitamin C - which meats do you find that in?
Good job throwing around a bunch of fancy terms, but you're not being at all reasonable.
Vitamin B12 isn't sourced from animals, it's sourced from microbes (often the microbes with B12 that end up in meat are from feces from the slaughterhouse). The USADA, Health Canada and many other major health institutions recommend EVERYONE over 50 take a B12 supplement, not just vegans. Likely the age will drop, it's probably a good idea everyone take B12.
Vitamin D isn't in most meat (mainly just organ meat), and it's added to cow's milk and other dairy products as a supplement. (Interestingly, the iodine in dairy is also remnants of the machinery cleaning process, and normally contains very little.)
What are you even talking about? Amino acid deficiency - who's ever used that term? You mean protein? How do high protein foods inhibit iron absorption? I've never heard of that and nutrition has been a pretty serious part of my reading for over 20 years. It's well known that vegans and vegetarians have no problem getting enough protein if eating enough calories, and please don't bother with the 'protein combining' myth which was dispelled about as fast as it was conceived in the 70's.
EVERYONE knows that eating carbs doesn't cause Type 2 diabetes. Once you have it, eating carbs can be a concern, but it's not the cause - animal protein is highly correlated. If you were correct, people who go vegan (or vegetarian) would have higher rates of diabetes, which they don't. Or high-carb consuming athletes like endurance cyclists or marathon runners. As a matter of fact, vegan diets are increasingly known to REVERSE Type 2 diabetes, and people typically reduce or even eliminates the need for insulin injections. This almost never happens with people consuming animal products, and almost inevitably move in the opposite direction with the condition worsening. It's really unfortunately this myth persists, as a lot of people suffer needlessly because of this.
You know what's really good for you: fiber. ~97% of the US doesn't eat recommended amount of fiber. Sounds a lot more concerning an issue to me than the handful of people not getting enough 'amino acids', but it's not as 'sexy'.
A quick Google search showed me:
"Almost 40% of the U.S. population is deficient in vitamin B12 according to a recent study from Tufts University in Boston and a vast majority of them are completely unaware. They found 39 percent with plasma B12 levels in the "low normal" range - below 258 picomoles per liter (pmol/L)."
So 79% of meat eaters are deficient or low in B12. Commonly we'll find it isn't the amount of B12 consumed, but that most people have absorption issues. Regardless, it's a well known fact that deficiency rates are similar among vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters. At least most vegans are paying attention to their nutritional needs and try to rectify it. Just about every vegan organization will tell you to take B12, who ever hears that from any meat-eating entity? (Other than to ignorantly harass vegans?)
Have you checked your B12 levels? After over 27yrs being vegan, I can tell you my levels are high. Same with iron. Cholesterol scores are of zero concern. On paper, I'm doing quite fine.
Good luck with your canines - do you seriously think they would play ANY role in your killing and eating an animal? Seriously? Go ahead and try eating your next steak 'as nature intended' like every other meat-eater on the planet: raw and uncut. We'll see who has the protein deficiency before long. I'm sure your 'claws' will be helpful as well, and that high-acid saliva you have will help kill off the harmful or deadly microbes in the raw meat. Because you're just like every other carnivore, right? Oh yeah, and it will taste delicious and leave you wanting more.
Why do people think they suddenly know about nutrition when a vegan walks in the room?? Wind your head in.. I welcome questions, but nonsense stated as fact is intolerable.
Yeah, if it's down to 7mins for a decent charge, that's not bad. I still thought it was in the 15-30min range, so doesn't seem all that necessary. Thanks again for all this!
Thanks, that's a little more helpful! I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this, but any reason they can't make hybrid batteries? With a SC for quick charge or taking advantage of braking, and that (more slowly) transfers to a 'main' Li battery?
If you do a little research, you'll note that livestock is a primary source of methane, which is a lot more potent than C02.
My qualm is that pets are somehow consuming more meat than the humans in the US. There are over 325 million humans, and the article claims 164 million cats and dogs and consuming 25-30% of the meat..but they're a lot smaller than humans, and I'd imagine consume less meat than a typical person. Not to mention their food is also often largely plant-based, and the meat used is often such a low grade that it wouldn't be fed to humans.. I don't know if those numbers add up and they're quite the impact that's claimed.
I'm a vegan, and I didn't think you were saying you or your pets were vegan.. I've heard many stories of dogs getting along very well on a vegan diet, but agree that cats are another story (and there are many stories of cats getting sick on a vegan diet, I don't recommend that..)
While I think lab-grown meat for humans isn't a great idea (we really should just learn to go without, it'd be a lot better for the planet and our health, and is more consistent with how we generally feel about other animals, and the plant-based alternatives are getting pretty tasty), it might be a good way to provide the nutrition cats need (as well as wildlife in rehab, and animals in sanctuaries).
"I don't understand it. It's really negative and in some ways I actually think it is pretty irresponsible." - says the guy who's company has more deeply invaded the privacy of individuals, as well as the most people in history..I don't think he's a very good judge of what's 'irresponsible'.
Another example to doubt this claim: if anyone uses the Shopify POS App, you probably see that as you do more transactions with the swiper, the app gets slower and slower...and if you close and restart the app, it works fine again. Maybe this is true with some Apps, but I don't think you can say with all Apps...
That's in part what happened to me as a kid - I was eating a chicken leg and noticed these big purple arteries. Really started questioning what I was eating at that point.
Sigh...you're just being argumentative - those were just examples, I could say I couldn't call myself a feminist while mistreating women, etc.. There's no certifying board there either.
There are plenty of vegetarian restaurants, what are you talking about? Vegan restaurants are far and few between. India is a country full of vegetarian restaurants with few vegan ones.
Terms are misunderstood all the time, thanks for making a case that whatever some dope on the internet thinks 'makes it so'. Words should be defined by what the majority thinks they mean, not how they came about or are actually defined as! Now go give Donald Trump a big hug, because he's your current word champion.
No big game hunter is a vegan. Even if they call themselves a vegan. The definition is relevant. I can't go calling myself a lawyer or a priest or a big game hunter since I don't subscribe to the definition of any of those terms. The person you know is some perverse kind of vegetarian.
If people don't know what vegan means, chances are they're not a vegan. Just like someone isn't going to become a lawyer one day if they don't understand you need to go to school and follow particular ideas. Not saying you have to go to school to be vegan, but if you don't understand the term (it's not a 'diet' for starters), then you can't define yourself by it. I also know people who eat plenty of meat and call themselves vegetarian, what does that say? Are they vegetarian? No. Can they call themselves that? I guess so. Are they correct? Again, no.
People start eating a *vegan diet* for many reasons, yes. But if they don't believe that animal exploitation is wrong, they aren't vegan. They don't subscribe to a vegan ideology. They're just eating vegan diets (and probably better described as vegetarians, since there is no firm definition of that.)
Huh? They coined the term in 1944. This is the group that invented the term 'vegan'. It didn't exist before they made it up. This is where veganism started, generally credited to Donald Watson (and his wife) in the UK. Do a little research, just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it isn't known by others.
People like you think that it's just some random word, and define it as they want, but that's not what history dictates. Ask any other significant vegan organization where the term came from, they'll all say the same thing.
Citation provided - the definition of the Vegan Society, who coined the term in 1944 states:
"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
Veganism is better described as a philosophy, or a mindset. If someone is eating vegan food only for health reasons, then they technically aren't vegans but 'strict vegetarians'. You can't be vegan and accept the exploitation of animals. It'd be like calling yourself a feminist but being okay with exploiting women.
There are pontificating, virtue signaling assholes in any movement or social group, it isn't unique to vegans. Even Slashdot has one or two!
Personally, I have no interest in eating lab meat. In part because of health reasons, but primarily because it just sounds gross and I'm quite happy with the vegan foods we already have. But the health concerns could in theory be 'weeded' out in the lab - the hormones, cholesterol and saturated fat can all likely be customized and reduced..so maybe this is what's on their minds. (Not trying to justify them, but it is a facet of lab grown meat.)
I refuse to install the Facebook and Messenger app, in part for crap like this. So previously if I had to respond to a FB message on the go, I would open up Chrome and go to Messenger.com, no problem. Now, when I do, and type, something weird happens - only one word appears. When I type a second word, the first disappears, and just that word is there. I can't type out a sentence. I tried it with Firefox, and can't even log into Messenger.com - it just hangs on the main page saying "Sign in with Facebook to get started", and I'm signed in on another tab, but it doesn't log in or progress...wtf??
This. (I don't know why you were downvoted, I think you're right on target.)
Let's just look at something that's seemingly common: fiber. About 97% of the US doesn't eat their daily recommended amount of fiber. What do the good flora like to eat? Fiber.
And this isn't to say Parkinson's (and other diseases) can be cured this way, but may be alleviated in some ways (which can still be really meaningful) with a more positive gut situation....and in a really easy way.
Slashdot Mirror
Good grief..
Taurine is a "conditional amino acid", and can be formed simply by consuming other amino acids, just like every other plant-eater.
Creatine isn't essential in any shape, and most is formed within the body, but can be found in foods like cranberries if you really want to eat it. (Or in tubs at the grocery store. The amount in meat isn't very useful either.)
Non-heme iron is absorbed as well, and heme iron isn't considered 'essential' by any means. (And only ~60% of the iron in flesh is heme iron.)
DHA isn't considered an essential nutrient, and in normal people is formed from actual essential fatty acids (your Omega 3's, 6's and 9's, which are all easily found in plants). But if you want to eat it, it comes from the same place as fish get it: algae. (Fish don't magically create it, they eat smaller fish who ate smaller fish who ate algae.)
Cholecalciferol (Vit D3) supplements are now made from lichen, mushrooms and other non-animal sources, and ergocalciferol (Vit D2) works just fine, and is also from non-animal sources. Or just get off your computer and spend some time outside in the sun.
Like nearly all the above, there is no nutritional requirement for carnosine, and is formed in the body by eating plants.
B12 isn't 'provided by meat', it's provided by microbes. Do a Google search, you'll find 79% of the US population is deficient or low in B12. USADA, Health Canada and other major health orgs recommend EVERYONE over the age of 50 take a B12 supplement (and I bet you the age will drop). So meat isn't a reliable source either (and you won't want it either considering how much of the B12 in meat comes from fecal matter.) I'll stick to my weekly supplement, thanks.
Here's an interesting stat: ~97% of the US population is deficient in fiber. Which meats provide that? A surprising number of Americans are deficient in Vitamin C - which meats do you find that in?
Good job throwing around a bunch of fancy terms, but you're not being at all reasonable.
Gorillas may be a better example. They do have MASSIVE canines and aren't known for eating meat.
Just a bit of clarity:
Vitamin B12 isn't sourced from animals, it's sourced from microbes (often the microbes with B12 that end up in meat are from feces from the slaughterhouse). The USADA, Health Canada and many other major health institutions recommend EVERYONE over 50 take a B12 supplement, not just vegans. Likely the age will drop, it's probably a good idea everyone take B12.
Vitamin D isn't in most meat (mainly just organ meat), and it's added to cow's milk and other dairy products as a supplement. (Interestingly, the iodine in dairy is also remnants of the machinery cleaning process, and normally contains very little.)
What are you even talking about? Amino acid deficiency - who's ever used that term? You mean protein? How do high protein foods inhibit iron absorption? I've never heard of that and nutrition has been a pretty serious part of my reading for over 20 years. It's well known that vegans and vegetarians have no problem getting enough protein if eating enough calories, and please don't bother with the 'protein combining' myth which was dispelled about as fast as it was conceived in the 70's.
EVERYONE knows that eating carbs doesn't cause Type 2 diabetes. Once you have it, eating carbs can be a concern, but it's not the cause - animal protein is highly correlated. If you were correct, people who go vegan (or vegetarian) would have higher rates of diabetes, which they don't. Or high-carb consuming athletes like endurance cyclists or marathon runners. As a matter of fact, vegan diets are increasingly known to REVERSE Type 2 diabetes, and people typically reduce or even eliminates the need for insulin injections. This almost never happens with people consuming animal products, and almost inevitably move in the opposite direction with the condition worsening. It's really unfortunately this myth persists, as a lot of people suffer needlessly because of this.
You know what's really good for you: fiber. ~97% of the US doesn't eat recommended amount of fiber. Sounds a lot more concerning an issue to me than the handful of people not getting enough 'amino acids', but it's not as 'sexy'.
A quick Google search showed me:
"Almost 40% of the U.S. population is deficient in vitamin B12 according to a recent study from Tufts University in Boston and a vast majority of them are completely unaware. They found 39 percent with plasma B12 levels in the "low normal" range - below 258 picomoles per liter (pmol/L)."
So 79% of meat eaters are deficient or low in B12. Commonly we'll find it isn't the amount of B12 consumed, but that most people have absorption issues. Regardless, it's a well known fact that deficiency rates are similar among vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters. At least most vegans are paying attention to their nutritional needs and try to rectify it. Just about every vegan organization will tell you to take B12, who ever hears that from any meat-eating entity? (Other than to ignorantly harass vegans?)
Have you checked your B12 levels? After over 27yrs being vegan, I can tell you my levels are high. Same with iron. Cholesterol scores are of zero concern. On paper, I'm doing quite fine.
Good luck with your canines - do you seriously think they would play ANY role in your killing and eating an animal? Seriously? Go ahead and try eating your next steak 'as nature intended' like every other meat-eater on the planet: raw and uncut. We'll see who has the protein deficiency before long. I'm sure your 'claws' will be helpful as well, and that high-acid saliva you have will help kill off the harmful or deadly microbes in the raw meat. Because you're just like every other carnivore, right? Oh yeah, and it will taste delicious and leave you wanting more.
Why do people think they suddenly know about nutrition when a vegan walks in the room?? Wind your head in.. I welcome questions, but nonsense stated as fact is intolerable.
Yeah, that's sounding pretty reasonable - thanks again for all the info, appreciate learning more on this. =)
Yeah, if it's down to 7mins for a decent charge, that's not bad. I still thought it was in the 15-30min range, so doesn't seem all that necessary. Thanks again for all this!
Thanks, that's a little more helpful! I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this, but any reason they can't make hybrid batteries? With a SC for quick charge or taking advantage of braking, and that (more slowly) transfers to a 'main' Li battery?
I may not know physics, but at least I can learn...maybe you can take a queue with your own (lack of) decent social skills.
I thought super-capacitors was where it's at? Smaller, lighter, and very quick to charge...?
Agree that rechargeable alkaline have been available for a very long time, I had a few sets, but they did tend to fail very quickly.
If you do a little research, you'll note that livestock is a primary source of methane, which is a lot more potent than C02.
My qualm is that pets are somehow consuming more meat than the humans in the US. There are over 325 million humans, and the article claims 164 million cats and dogs and consuming 25-30% of the meat..but they're a lot smaller than humans, and I'd imagine consume less meat than a typical person. Not to mention their food is also often largely plant-based, and the meat used is often such a low grade that it wouldn't be fed to humans.. I don't know if those numbers add up and they're quite the impact that's claimed.
I'm a vegan, and I didn't think you were saying you or your pets were vegan.. I've heard many stories of dogs getting along very well on a vegan diet, but agree that cats are another story (and there are many stories of cats getting sick on a vegan diet, I don't recommend that..)
While I think lab-grown meat for humans isn't a great idea (we really should just learn to go without, it'd be a lot better for the planet and our health, and is more consistent with how we generally feel about other animals, and the plant-based alternatives are getting pretty tasty), it might be a good way to provide the nutrition cats need (as well as wildlife in rehab, and animals in sanctuaries).
"Trump cast himself as a supporter of LGBT rights"
No, if I recall he was a supporter of LG BTQ...whatever that is, maybe a type of sandwich, or some new device from LG?
"I don't understand it. It's really negative and in some ways I actually think it is pretty irresponsible." - says the guy who's company has more deeply invaded the privacy of individuals, as well as the most people in history..I don't think he's a very good judge of what's 'irresponsible'.
Another example to doubt this claim: if anyone uses the Shopify POS App, you probably see that as you do more transactions with the swiper, the app gets slower and slower...and if you close and restart the app, it works fine again. Maybe this is true with some Apps, but I don't think you can say with all Apps...
That's in part what happened to me as a kid - I was eating a chicken leg and noticed these big purple arteries. Really started questioning what I was eating at that point.
Sigh...you're just being argumentative - those were just examples, I could say I couldn't call myself a feminist while mistreating women, etc.. There's no certifying board there either.
There are plenty of vegetarian restaurants, what are you talking about? Vegan restaurants are far and few between. India is a country full of vegetarian restaurants with few vegan ones.
Terms are misunderstood all the time, thanks for making a case that whatever some dope on the internet thinks 'makes it so'. Words should be defined by what the majority thinks they mean, not how they came about or are actually defined as! Now go give Donald Trump a big hug, because he's your current word champion.
There's a movement claiming that being overweight or obese isn't as harmful as it's made out to be. (I don't subscribe to this, but it exists.)
Curious if they'd argue that it's just as healthy for a cat or dog to be obese?
No big game hunter is a vegan. Even if they call themselves a vegan. The definition is relevant. I can't go calling myself a lawyer or a priest or a big game hunter since I don't subscribe to the definition of any of those terms. The person you know is some perverse kind of vegetarian.
If people don't know what vegan means, chances are they're not a vegan. Just like someone isn't going to become a lawyer one day if they don't understand you need to go to school and follow particular ideas. Not saying you have to go to school to be vegan, but if you don't understand the term (it's not a 'diet' for starters), then you can't define yourself by it. I also know people who eat plenty of meat and call themselves vegetarian, what does that say? Are they vegetarian? No. Can they call themselves that? I guess so. Are they correct? Again, no.
People start eating a *vegan diet* for many reasons, yes. But if they don't believe that animal exploitation is wrong, they aren't vegan. They don't subscribe to a vegan ideology. They're just eating vegan diets (and probably better described as vegetarians, since there is no firm definition of that.)
Huh? They coined the term in 1944. This is the group that invented the term 'vegan'. It didn't exist before they made it up. This is where veganism started, generally credited to Donald Watson (and his wife) in the UK. Do a little research, just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it isn't known by others.
People like you think that it's just some random word, and define it as they want, but that's not what history dictates. Ask any other significant vegan organization where the term came from, they'll all say the same thing.
Citation provided - the definition of the Vegan Society, who coined the term in 1944 states:
"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
Veganism is better described as a philosophy, or a mindset. If someone is eating vegan food only for health reasons, then they technically aren't vegans but 'strict vegetarians'. You can't be vegan and accept the exploitation of animals. It'd be like calling yourself a feminist but being okay with exploiting women.
There are pontificating, virtue signaling assholes in any movement or social group, it isn't unique to vegans. Even Slashdot has one or two!
Personally, I have no interest in eating lab meat. In part because of health reasons, but primarily because it just sounds gross and I'm quite happy with the vegan foods we already have. But the health concerns could in theory be 'weeded' out in the lab - the hormones, cholesterol and saturated fat can all likely be customized and reduced..so maybe this is what's on their minds. (Not trying to justify them, but it is a facet of lab grown meat.)
Sadly for some friends and work I have to remain a part of it, but it's as little as possible.
I refuse to install the Facebook and Messenger app, in part for crap like this. So previously if I had to respond to a FB message on the go, I would open up Chrome and go to Messenger.com, no problem. Now, when I do, and type, something weird happens - only one word appears. When I type a second word, the first disappears, and just that word is there. I can't type out a sentence. I tried it with Firefox, and can't even log into Messenger.com - it just hangs on the main page saying "Sign in with Facebook to get started", and I'm signed in on another tab, but it doesn't log in or progress...wtf??
You joke (I hope), because you're wrong..
This. (I don't know why you were downvoted, I think you're right on target.)
Let's just look at something that's seemingly common: fiber. About 97% of the US doesn't eat their daily recommended amount of fiber. What do the good flora like to eat? Fiber.
And this isn't to say Parkinson's (and other diseases) can be cured this way, but may be alleviated in some ways (which can still be really meaningful) with a more positive gut situation....and in a really easy way.
Nah - if you follow the link, it's actually a 'breaking story' about the last time it was down. We'll hear about the current outage in a week or two.