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Donald Trump Says US Military Will Not Allow Transgender People To Serve (theguardian.com)
Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would not allow transgender individuals to serve in the US military in any capacity. From a report: The US president tweeted: "After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow ... transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military." He added: "Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming ... victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail." Trump's decision marks a sharp reversal of a policy initiated under Barack Obama, in which the Pentagon ended a longtime ban on transgender people from serving openly in the military. As a candidate, Trump cast himself as a supporter of LGBT rights and indicated he would uphold certain Obama-era policies designed to protect transgender people.
Full body shiver.
If a soldier has to take Hormone replacement pills every day, and then they are suddenly unavailable, I could see it causing some issues.
No surprise. Trump is living in 1940's Italy. He's completely out of touch with the modern world or modern sensibilities. He's like the old drunk great uncle that every family has. The one that has no morality and complains about blacks and women.
No one is going to be upset when he "moves-on", and his antique anti-morality moves on.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Sorry, Trump... that genie is already out of the bottle. Legislation is probably necessary to roll it back at this point.
My feeling is this is bound to wind up in the 9th circuit district court with an injunctive order issued against this change in policy.
"As a candidate, Trump cast himself as a supporter of LGBT rights and indicated he would uphold certain Obama-era policies designed to protect transgender people."
Why do reporters continue to bother with this... Clearly his supporters don't care what he said he would do and what he IS doing, and even more clearly, his non-supporters don't need anymore ammunition to dislike him.
Yea it's fun to call him out on lying/not holding onto campaign promises, but seriously, this is NOT new at all with any politician, especially fuck-face-von-orangutan. (Fun fact, if you Google Image search "orangutan", Donald Trump is the second suggestion they offer.)
Arguably driving people to leave the US in droves would be for their protection at this point.
and if we have a draft will this last?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
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There are a lot of men in the military who are really women at heart. But they are lesbians.
In many situations the US military has no way to get individual medications to troops in the field. If a transgender person has any medical need to keep on medications they would not normally qualify. Many people are rejected from service over medical need to reliably take medications. However in Trump's case he is most likely trying to impress the most ignorant Americans by persecuting others. I am concerned that we may see violence used against republic members of the House and Senate over their behavior concerning medical care. Frankly these right wing types are trying to murer millions of Americans by denial of medical care. To expect people not to lash out is silly.
While this is a step backwards in terms of fairness... this also means that trans folks won't be expected to lay down their lives to protect the interests of President Cheeto should he decide to insert us into another war. Any chance he could also ban all mammals from serving, too? Nobody should be taking orders from anything where he's ultimately the guy telling you to pull a trigger.
So tell me, is the problem this:
Is it the soldiers or the officers who can't control their urges if they think that woman serving has the body of a woman but the grip and perceptions of a man, therefore fighting while hiding a stiffy is going to be impossible.
Or is it both?
I personally know a former Marine. He loved serving. He was an NCO, a sargeant. He's one of these disciplined and athletic guys who actually likes all the running and training. He spoke so fondly of it that I asked him why he would have left. He told me that the political correctness was just becoming ridiculous. The female Marines just didn't have the physical performance capabilities of the males (the best among them were about equal to the average male, and those were exceptional) - this is the same reason sports and the Olympics have Men's and Women's events. It's just the nature of the sexes and beyond our control. The top brass kept trying to ignore these differences, to the point that it was harming combat effectiveness in many situations. Of course, in a military environment you do what you're told and you shut your mouth about it, so he and other NCOs had no voice and no ability to protest. Eventually he got tired of it so when his term of service was up, he got out. He told me he was not the only one, not by far. Politics was not why he signed up.
People already generally have a hard time being rational about real, measurable physical strength/performance differences between men and women. And those can easily be demonstrated and proven. The whole LGBT topic tends to cause even more extreme irrational reactions and controversy. You really don't want this kind of bickering in a military unit where distractions and small mistakes get people killed. It's the one place you can't afford it.
There's plenty of things Trump has said and done that I don't like. This time though, I think he's making the right call and probably knows he's going to take a lot of outrage for it. I can respect that whether I like the guy or not.
"It". You're a fucking asshole.
Amen!
We need to disallow gays in the military also. It's important that our enemies fear our military and they are not afraid of a bunch of girly men.
A lot if those so-called "girly men" could kill you where you stand,without even raising their heart rate.
For example, a lot of bikers are gay. But I dare you to walk up to any of them and call them a "girly man".
Might as well ask why a hetero male or female or any human at all would want to lay their lives down to protect the interests of president cheezypoofs.Or any other American.
Don't belong in the Military. They have a job to do.
From the healthcare vote going on right now. Worked too. This crap is now front page on CNN while our Congress Critters are dealing in the back.
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I know it's meant as a joke, but gender identity and sexual preference are largely unrelated in that most humans default to male-likes-females and female-likes-males combinations, but changing one of the two does not automatically change the other.
Fine. "He," if you prefer.
Mutilating oneself does not change one's sex.
"Trump cast himself as a supporter of LGBT rights"
No, if I recall he was a supporter of LG BTQ...whatever that is, maybe a type of sandwich, or some new device from LG?
When the Dems and the left are talking about transgendered issues, they're forgetting the needs of 99+% of Americans. But they can't help themselves, because if every year isn't always 1964, then leftism is just bullying.
There are two reasons for this:
* Physiological - There's enough issues with men and women serving together in high stress situations. This would be another distraction.
* Political - Just like his attacks on his attorney general this is a distraction from the fact that the Republicans could not get Repeal and/or Replace of ObamaCare through again.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
He is commander in chief.
Yup, and I think that's what causes most people to "full body shiver" :
phrasings such as "my generals" make painfully aware that your orange troll with a twitter account *is* "the commander in chief" and "*his* generals" are indeed under *his* command.
sad~
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Of course this advice isn't applicable to trans
Because a person who gave up their balls still have more than the Coward in Chief, Donald J. (Jackass?) 'Tiny Hands" Trump.
Donny the Draft Dodger?
What a worthless pile of flesh our president is. I feel sorry for those who cast a vote for him. For those who regret, I can forgive. For those who continue to support this orange oaf, I am saddened by your lack of humanity and that by definition, you can still call yourselves human.
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Yeah, if anything it's a "he". It has Y chromosomes, which makes it a "he" but after al this operations it is totally unclear how to classify it so "it" is correct, as indicating unknown.
Although I do think that Manning did a good job for the people in releasing that video.
They ban trasgendered for no reason, but allow muslims to serve despite the many attacks by them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...
Finally an end to the madness. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to join the military. We shouldn't pay for their hormone treatments and surgery that affirms their mental illness.
Girly? More like grizzly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Even accepting your so-called logic, and further even accepting that US enemies are "not afraid of girly men", there would not be any way in practice to notice any so-called "girliness", because at least generally speaking, the soldiers of opposing sides do not routinely socialize with eachother enough to know them well enough to associate such traits to them. There is no objective standard by which anyone can say that your notion is acceptable... I can't even call it an argument, it is so abysmally flawed.
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Right! Because currently the US military spends next to nothing* on medical for it's cis-male soldiers. No hospitals or doctors are needed* to treat our hetero-military and vets, because they are so Focused and Decisive! But once the flood of trans-soldiers comes marching in, only then will military spending spiral out of control. And there goes our overwhelming victory.
* Alternative facts.
Really, who gives a rat's ass about this... it's not a concern, and if gays were to be banned as well, so what?
I know the left loves to get all upset about this stuff, but pick your battles.
Amen!
We need to disallow gays in the military also. It's important that our enemies fear our military and they are not afraid of a bunch of girly men.
By the way, the Spartans (well, actually the Sacred Band of Thebes) were gay, a fact conveniently left out of the movie "300". And they were quite feared on the battlefield for a number of decades.
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Doesn't mean that other citizens of the US appreciate being blocked from supporting their country.
The accusations that transgender will result in high medical costs is unfounded. If there are concerns with any transition effects then work around by allowing the time served to be before or after the transition. But be respectful of the needs of our patriotic soldiers, they are serving the citizens proudly.
Can 0.3-0.6% of the population really do anything "in droves"?
LK
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Diabetes is an immediate disqualification for exactly this reason. So are several other conditions which require regular medical care. You can file for a waiver and I think the same should be the case here, if a TG person wants to serve they need to sign a waiver saying they understand that while the military will make best effort to see they have access to medications, it's not their first priority and they may need to go without. (From my understanding, stopping hormone therapy is not something that would interfere with service, it's equivalent to menopause... but ianad).
One of the core principles of the military is that everyone is a solider and everyone needs to be able to act as such if called upon. That's why everyone goes through boot camp and learns to fire a rifle, even it's established that chances are they never will. You can't be a solider if you can't solider. However, If a TG applicant acknowledges that they may be called upon to serve in the field during a time of crisis and they understand the difficulties that may cause, sign them up.
I was rejected for mild scoliosis....I would think being born with the wrong genitals would be a more severe condition than that. I require no treatment and rarely ever even feel discomfort...compared to someone who will require treatment for the rest of their lives.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4727522/First-LGBT-unit-fighting-ISIS-photos-rainbow-flag-Raqqa.html
By the way, the Spartans (well, actually the Sacred Band of Thebes) were gay, a fact conveniently left out of the movie "300". And they were quite feared on the battlefield for a number of centuries.
FTFY
(only saying this for the thick skin comment) Best fighting force in the world... Like many other things in the us of A, you seem to think biggest and best are interchangeable!
...Okay he did. But he meant WPGT. Because those ladies look good when they bend over to tee up.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
The purpose of the military, is to break things and kill people. It needs to be a tight cohesive bunch, not with a bunch of "my gender of the week" types.
I don't know why you think someone having a different gender identity than their assigned at birth identity somehow must make them "weak." Heck, for that matter, even if you did have someone whose gender identity changed every week as you suggest, I don't see why that would them have trouble killing people or being part of a cohesive fighting force.
The military should be EXEMPT from all of this political correctness garbage, which, is set up on purpose, to reduce morality, and destroy the best fighting force in the world.
Or this is about people who genuinely want the right to fight for their country. You appear to be jumping from the fact that you disagree with other people to concluding that they must have nefarious goals. Incidentally, it is worth noting that the exact same arguments you are making now have now been made twice before. They were first made when we desegregated the military to have black and white people in the same units. This argument was again made only a few years ago when we let gays and lesbians openly serve. Why is it different this time?
This first time I've seen the appropriate use of an Anonymous Coward account on Slashdot in ~17 years.
You're not talking about the hero? are you? I mean the guy/girl that EXPOSED the most corruption since watergate? oh wait you don't care? don't cry to me when you get fucked ...
If one feels the need to choose from a list a letters to sexually identify with, they are no better than folks who want to limit folks to two genders.
And these lgbtq... "issues" are just a whiny fringe who need to worry about more important issues. And as they alienate more people, they are sobataging their agenda.
See his Boy Scout cussing and ranting, or read his tweets of late, Trump's prepping to sack Jeff Sessions to close the Russia investigation.
e.g. "Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump campaign - "quietly working to boost Clinton." So where is the investigation A.G. @seanhannity
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 25, 2017"
(AG = Attorney General Jeff Sessions, for some reason he's asking his Twitter following what the views of his own Attorney General are).
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions has taken a VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes (where are E-mails & DNC server) & Intel leakers!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 25, 2017"
He also did an attack on Sessions to the Boy Scout Jamboree.
The Attorney General will sack Mueller, I think its because Mueller started looking into the financial end, and even a cursory glance their screams fraud.
Rudy Giuliani is floated as an option, but he failed his interview with Kisliak and never received a major role. All of Trumps people (including the new Spokesman that replaced Sean Spicer) all talked to the Putin group and expressed a positive position on removing sanctions. Rudy Giuliani didn't, hence he won't be AG.
The purpose of the military, is to break things and kill people. It needs to be a tight cohesive bunch, not with a bunch of "my gender of the week" types. The military should be EXEMPT from all of this political correctness garbage, which, is set up on purpose, to reduce morality, and destroy the best fighting force in the world. (I have thick skin /. types, fire away)
You don't have a thick skin if your hang-ups about other people's bodies requires everyone who is not like you to have their rights restricted. You are the most delicate snowflake of all.
It's your attitude that needs to be drummed out of the service. It smacks of poor discipline and a fragile psyche.
That's what they said about keeping black people out of the military 150 years ago, and then that was the reason for keeping them in segregated units, and women from joining at all 60 years ago, and gay people from serving openly until just a few years ago. Each and every time, detractors talked about how 'the unit would be destroyed'. The unit got over it, the unit changed, and Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, the Republic yet prevails.
If medical costs are the issue, are they going to ban all people with chronic diseases too?
Agreed.
Even though it's sort of backwards due to PTSD and all that, people fighting and supporting each other need to be mentally steady at all times. I say "steady" because I mean that someone who is manically depressed, wetting themselves and crying uncontrollably whenever they hear gunfire, fighting the voices, etc, have no business being depended upon by the rest of the military and our country. So if someone is mentally struggling with anything that keeps their concentration from being fully engaged with whatever job or task they have at any given time, they need to go.
On the flip side, once the horrors of breaking things and killing people have sunk in, we damned well should be doing everything we can to get them back to the healthy state they were in prior to joining up.
Because if we can't get people back into their original, normal lives (or at least get as close as possible), we need to start cutting off all military reproductive organs. Let our eunuchs fight the wars and if they no longer can function, push them into their retirement six feet under. It's may feel kinder than what many people deal with once they get spit out of our current system.
This sig isn't original enough, it's time to come up with something witty...
Not to make this into a debate on another topic, but I'm reminded of an observation George Carlin made during his career.
"Catholics and other Christians are against abortions and they're against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals? Leave these fucking people alone for Christ's sake. Here is an entire class of people guaranteed never to have an abortion and the Catholics and the Christians are just tossing them aside. You'd think they'd make natural allies."
Ultimately they're going to need bodies to throw into the meat grinder of whatever the next major conflict is... at the rate we're going, it'll probably be invading North Korea and/or Iran, which will turn into a bloodbath. That aside, if you're being shot at by enemy soldiers, you probably aren't going to care too much if the person in the foxhole with you is gay, straight, trans, a woman, or whatever else. You're going to worry about not getting shot or shelled, and probably the only thing you really care about regarding the other people around you, is whether or not they can shoot straight and maybe take out some of the enemy soldiers so you might live to see the next day.
If someone wants to serve -- unlike a certain individual residing in a white house that had a rich father who could get him out of any kind of military service on rather flimsy grounds, and used a charity, ostensibly for veterans, as a way to pay off personal debts -- I say let them as long as they meet the basic requirements. Even if someone isn't the picture of health and fitness, there are bound to be hundreds of support roles the person could play. All those tanks, guns, ammo, etc, don't just magically appear on the battlefield.
Almost every trans person I know was a member of the military, many have been decorated. Why are those given medals considered weak to you? Should honors from the military be a reason to kick them out?
What good are you talking about?
Guess what it is called war, and it is a real war not StarCraft. Look at WWII, look at how many bombs would get dropped to destroy a munitions factory, guess how many people died who were not even in the factory but lived near by. In a real war innocent people die, it happens. manning never even went into combat and decided to release footage that he knew nothing about.
-See that a bunch of news stories talking about transgender people in the military are being run and promoted
-"Women soldiers told to expect to see female penises in the showers'
-Let that stew for a couple weeks with the outraged conservatives
-Trumps negates all such stories
-'OMG BASED TRUMP DRAIN TEH SWAMP HE IS FOR REAL'
-Meanwhile the root causes and worst problems of liberalism run unchecked
His actions have degraded the character of the highest office. He is a corrupt businessman with connections to the mafia. His nepotism has no bounds. He willfully and enthusiastically cedes American pre-eminence to Russia, and deals secretly with our adversaries, but banning trannies was the right decision.
We have wounded soldiers coming back that can't get basic medical amputee coverage and PTSD treatment, but we have to pay for some dude to chop off his wiener, yeah that makes sense. Good call Trump!
You can't enlist because you have a medical need. Sure transgender is not considered mental disorder (even though they have severely high suicide rates) but it requires constant medication to either be a man or a woman. The withdrawals of such drugs, can cause confusion, lethargy, and various other things. All things that impact your ability to shoot, carry wounded soldiers, and the various other acts of being a soldier.
If you're not outraged about diabetes...why are you outraged about transgenders?
I know females, gays and trans-gendereds that could run and kill circles around many of the military cis-males who probably cry and wet their beds at night. So STOP EQUATING GENDER WITH MENTAL STRENGTH!
which, is set up on purpose, to reduce morality, and destroy the best fighting force in the world. (I have thick skin /. types, fire away)
I think you've done it Sherlock! You've uncovered the conspiracy to destroy America with liberalism!!!!! Quick! Someone notify Breitbart and Infowars! (I'm sure you don't waste your time with that liberal Fox News!) I'm personally glad you're not in the military, as it appears you could be outwitted by a ham sandwich.
I just hope that the rest of the world understands that the greater percentage of the USA population does not hate any particular group of people as the current government would lead the world to believe. There are too many people in the country left behind by automation. Those disenfranchised folks look for a conduit for their frustration. It is a bit scary because that is one of the components that led to global political struggles in the 1930's. The difficult part is educating those disenfranchised on how they can improve their position and grow with the world rather than trying to figure out how to get what they had back. Hating another cultural group might make you feel better, but it is unlikely to fix the root cause of your frustration.
There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
Do you see men weakened by estrogen therapy or women limited by their physiology as threatening?
You watch too much TV. The military does so much more than simple destruction. Being able to respect people who are different is a useful and valuable skill in the military.
The proper place for them is either the FBI or CIA?
Can't say that I agree with him on this. I do feel that we the tax payers shouldn't pay for this; but barring completely? No.
For what it's worth, I find the idea of "transgender" to be misguided; it's a social construct created by gender norms; we've seen in societies without these gender norms that transgendered people simple don't exist.
Of course, that doesn't mean we punish or shame them for who they are; the military is a huge cesspool of a jobs program, and he wants to cut costs there? I would bet that doesn't even account for $1m a year.
There is a female that identifies as a male and is accepted into a combat arms unit. Males do not receive time off for pregnancy, males have different standards for physical fitness, males do not receive family leave. If this "male" then becomes pregnant does this "male" become a female again? Do males that identify as females live in female barracks? And how do the females respond to a "female" that is using the communal showers?
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The US murder machine we know as America's armed forces suffers massive problems of rape and sexual abuse- and i'm talking about between serving members- rather than the 'rape as a military weapon' that has seen American soldiers rape tens of thousands of civilians in the nations America has attacked across the last twenty years.
Neo-liberals have encourgaged SJW types to redefine MEDICAL transgender people as anyone who wants to call him/herself the 'opposite' sex that particular day. In simple terms, 'transgender' now means a man can walk into the women's shower unit and examine the naked female soldiers with the excuse that he 'feels' like a women that day.
SJWs say the 'answer' to this horrific problem is to provide individual PRIVATE hygiene units for ever soldier that wishes them- an utterly impossible logistic suggestion- and even if attempted would add tens of billions of cost to the military (that Clinton/Democrat linked contractors would immediately benefit from).
For heaven's sake- the US army frequently doesn't even want to give 'privacy' to soldiers going to the toilet.
SJW horrors say that the 'rights' of FAKE for-the-day 'transgender' people trumps the sexual abuse voyeurism inflicts on the victims.
Real transgender is that complex issue that biologically confuses the gender of a tiny minority of people- and can effect the brain, body, hormonal systems or a combination. It hasn't been an issue until very recently- because of the fact that REAL transgender people are recognised and assisted by medical and other aspects of the American system.
It is a FACT that some people have sex changes not becuase they are transgender but because they are mentally ill- just like the mental illness that causes some people to demand the removal of their HEALTHY limbs (go google it). This mental illness is now encouraged by SJWs.
In the UK last week a woman was sent to prison for six years for pretending to be a man and having sex with an unsuspecting woman. In two years time she will be pardoned, for Humanity's worst living warmonger- Tony Blair- is having his people remove all legal definition of gender in the UK. Boys will be legally allowed to walk into girl's showers in UK schools under Blair's 'freedom of gender' laws. And the mass murdering Blair tells the sheeple this is just fine and dandy cos its just like 'freedom of conscience'.
Trump's ruling today is about cost and legal liability- and ensuring the horrific rates of sex abuse in the US armed forces don't have another exuse to increase. If fake transgender had no downside, Trump wouldn't give a damn cos the guy has a long business history of working with SJW causes- despite the Clinton propaganda that states otherwise. Trump embraces the 'showbiz left' weirdness.
What each of you should ask is what lies beneath this new FAKE transgender movement from the same people that have brought you racist wars across our planet- wars that have murdered millions of innocent Humans. There's a game being played, and it has nothing to do with the rights of ordinary people.
In other words, there are already policies in place to handle this sort of thing and the ban is unnecessary. Thanks, this was very helpful.
Who knew a disorganised organisation like the US military already had policies for this??
How is the POTUS and 'his generals' supposed to know these things?!
/sarcasm
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How is this in any way relevant for a tech site?
Russia > Obamacare > LGBT
" Just like his attacks on his attorney general this is a distraction from the fact that the Republicans could not get Repeal and/or Replace of ObamaCare through again"
I think you have that flipped, he clearly wants to remove Sessions. In the rank of his tweets and his various rants to world leaders and boy scouts, Russia links are clearly his main obsession. Obamacare he ranted a lot about, but never bothered to read any of the bills.
He's floating various claims against Jeff Sessions (e.g. Sessions is weak on Clinton links to Russia, indecisive, not investigation the claims Hannity made about Ukraine being the country interfering with the US elections rather than Russia..... ) All of the floats have a Russian theme to them, he clearly is bothered by the Russia investigation and wants Mueller out above everything else.
He's threatened to sack Rosenstein and was rebuffed, Sessions clearly isn't sacking Mueller or Rosenstein, regardless of Trumps demands, so the next option is to remove Sessions himself.
Amen!
We need to disallow gays in the military also. It's important that our enemies fear our military and they are not afraid of a bunch of girly men.
The US military should make their uniforms as girly as possible. Imagine the humiliation of having your ass handed to you by a bunch of guys in pink taffeta
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
They will when they run out of people who want to die in useless wars.
Table-ized A.I.
Take a look at the depressingly long list of members of the joint chiefs of staff that managed to somehow never get deployed anywhere despite so much going on over their long careers. The former ones that somehow managed to avoid both Vietnam and Korea but were still held up as paragons seemed especially odd to get in those positions.
A hefty percentage of the population knows somebody in the 0.3-0.6% and may no longer wish to serve a military which casts out their friends/family.
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You don't think you can be medically discharged for an inability to perform duties for _any_ reason in the Military? You don't know jack about the Military. I'm a US Army vet, and have zero problems with this ruling but not simply because of the medication. I'll give two easy examples.
First, as GP stated above, the Military has to be a very cohesive bunch. In back line situations you have communal showers and bathrooms with little privacy. In front line situations, you have a canteen and hole that you dig. You put the majority of the military at a very compromising position with transgender soldiers. The twig and berries don't vanish because a person believes they are a woman, any more than breasts and bush vanish when a women believes they are man. So should the women in the military be forced to look at a twig and berries in the showers? Do you think it's fair to the men to stick a naked women who thinks they are man into a shower with them? Not that people want things to happen in either of those circumstances, but you are providing a very high risk and completely unnecessary situation for soldiers.
Next, you have PT rules by gender because _biology_ differences give us different limitations and abilities. The military loses effectiveness due to some of those differences already but has learned to cope. What they can't cope with is a completely arbitrary set of restrictions for every potential soldier. How do you cope with a guy who claims to be a woman? Do they get to do PT based on woman's rules or men's rules? Can the woman be medically discharged because the believe they are a man but can't do 80 pushups in under 2 minutes? Don't you believe more and more soldiers would not just try to drop out medically, but claim to be a more convenient gender for things like PT testing and promotion consideration?
The Military is not about "me", it's about "the force". Since we do not force service people who want "me" don't have to serve.
For the person who claimed not all jobs in the Military are combat, I say bullshit! Every soldier is trained on how to kill the enemy and defend against attacks. Even if your job isn't going out on patrol looking for enemies, you are at risk simply by being a soldier. Your first job and first responsibility in the Military is to be a Soldier. Your secondary job is to be a medic, mechanic, etc... (See Jessica Lynch, or any of the other people attacked, wounded, killed, or captured away from the front lines.)
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Imagine if two of them were assigned to the same squad. They would both have to be the center of attention all the time. Nobody would be able to breathe.
No, the purpose of the military is to further the goals of the U.S., much of what they do does not involve breaking anything or killing people. Your notions of the military are so 1940ish.
1. Not news for nerds.
2. Given that the last time they let a "transgender" person into the Army, it betrayed America and wound up in jail until Obama the Weak let it out, this seems like sensible policy.
"It" revealed that America has been betraying its principles for a very long time.
It's scary because it reminds everyone that we have a borderline-retarded person in charge of our country's military. Not only is the guy incapable of:
* expressing a coherent thought about anything even moderately complex
* being honest about anything related to limitations, or admitting that he doesn't understand things
* executing a plan
..but now this story is here to remind us that his priorities are moronic too. (As if trans soldiers is the military topic du jour, during the period where North Korea realizes that US has the weakest president in at least a century.) You see, regardless of the anti-liberty stance, we have fuckwittery on top of that. This guy is telling everyone that the issue of trans soldiers is important. And no, it's not important, nor is it expensive in the context of the military. It's like he's already looking for a scapegoat for an upcoming military blunder.
This isn't even about basic politics. Notice I'm not giving him any shit about him being wrong about the value of international trade, immigration, whether or not Americans have too much or too little freedom, etc. It's simply about him being a stupid person. And he's in charge of the military. No matter whether you're left, right, or even "alt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to be) this is a bad president, because there is no political ideology where stupidity is a virtue.
The American voters of 2016 chose stupid over evil, not realizing all the consequences. We have gone so many decades without America itself being seriously threatened (yay, we won the cold war!!) that we forgot that it sort of requires some basic competence by the commander in chief. We took it for granted, and now everyone knows that we don't have it. "His generals" are pretty much the country's only hope.
Sure, it's Americans' fault for not taking the 2016 election seriously and now we have to live (or die) with it, but just because something is your fault that doesn't mean you shouldn't be scared. It sucks even though, yes, we did bring this on ourselves.
(Let's hope we learned something. Please let there be real candidates on the 2020 ballot. Shit, and I damn well know that hoping isn't enough. We need to make it happen or else the Republicans and Democrats will serve us shit again. Those people should not have a say in who ends up on the ballots anymore. They have failed us for the last time and all of America should be force-choking them to death.)
Did you mean to reply to original post?
RE: He's like the old drunk great uncle that every family has. The one that has no morality and complains about blacks and women.
Dehumanizing is as dehumanizing does.
Why to you want to limit the military's ability to deploy the most effective forces it can assemble? This is a constraint imposed from outside of the military that prohibits the military from assessing fitness of potential soldiers.
sjws don't like void pointers.
Regardless of what the policies is/was/should be, there was no need for him to twitter rant about it. He did it precisely because he knows his base will eat it up as "our dear leader doing what's right!"
I'm sure I'm going to get blasted. But anyone who compares this to past military issues like segregation or preventing women from serving isn't being realistic.
The medical costs are an actual issue - The military should NOT pay for gender transition - http://www.military.com/daily-... This is a readiness and leathality issue. Soldiers must be able to fight - it doesn't matter if they are a cook or a band-member. Hormone therapies cause physiological and behavioral changes, surgeries require significant time to heal - this is not conducive to a functioning and coherent squad.
If you have ongoing gender issues/crisis, you should not be entering the military. The military requires stability and focus. Such distractions only detract from readiness and squad relations.
The only way ANY transgender should be allowed is if ze has already completed gender reassignment, is stable, healthy, and requires minimal support (And that means MINIMAL!) People who require regular medical support to be functional are not allowed in the military (diabetics, severe allergies, etc).
However, even if there are transgenders that meet the minimal support requirements, the additional costs of medical testing/vetting transgender recruits are likely also burdensome. I don't think the extra costs are worth catering to what will always be a very small percentage of the overall force.
It's basically a non-issue.
http://www.rand.org/content/da...
Tech is filled with broken misfits and freaks, it's no wonder its so left leaning.
If you think a girly man can hurt you, wait until a girly girl decides to tear your heart out. Then you will know true suffering.
And this is on slashdot because?
Only a halfwit moron would think this is likely. Obama didn't actually implement this policy—he announced it as election-year PR after his presidency was already over and done with.
The policy literally went into effect about THREE WEEKS AGO. Up until that time, trans could not serve openly in the military. If people cared about this issue as much as you claim, they would have left the military a long time ago.
Does having transgenders in the military provide a net positive with all things considered in support of the US Military's mission: To fight and win the nation's wars?
No.
I don't see a problem with this ban then.
For those that think they positively contribute to the military think about this:
The cost of reassignment surgery is astronomical and requires plenty of treatment. A servicemember in the pipeline for it will undoubtedly miss a lot of work and during recovery phases will undoubtedly be unable to perform their assigned duties. The cost to the military healthcare system in time, money, and resources is huge and could be better spent elsewhere... you know... actually treating those that need the treatment such as those wounded in combat.
The US Military's mission is to fight and win the nation's wars. How does someone getting their gender changed help with that?
The most significant reason I think this is different is because maintaining one's transition to a different gender has biological repercussions and medical maintenance requirements. That's been stated several times in this thread. Check farther up for some interesting data from servicepeople.
You know that almost immediately after determining the whole X vs Y chromosome thing, we found a bunch of exceptions to the "rule," right? It's been decades since we've known that it's not so straightforward even genetically, it's really just ignorant folks like you that think we fully understand all of this.
So before you have an opinion on whether or not this is right or wrong how about you look at the transgender policy on its face.
Here's a link to the policy as it is being presented to the military:
https://cdn.dvidshub.net/media/video/1703/DOD_104191979/DOD_104191979.mp4
That being said, in my opinion the policy is not a good fit for the military. It puts everyone in dangerous situations that could ruin careers.
Under the original policy after someone had received a medical diagnosis from a doctor and had their gender officially changed in DEER's they were considered that gender in the military and would be able to use that gender Bathrooms, Showers, and Barracks. The policy also did not require a genital change.
This means that if a transgender classified as female in DEER's and still had make genitalia could shower in female showers with other females. If the females were uncomfterable with it and complained it could be sexual harassment and could end their career...
That is just one example on the many issues with the original policy.
First: I support transgender rights. I think at some point in the future, the country will look back on this and think is was a stupid move. With that said, at this time, banning transgender individuals from serving in the military is a smart political move.
Most ordinary Americans don't care about transgender rights. It is a black hole issue that Democrats have gotten sucked into before. And Republicans love it. While Democrats are getting absolutely outraged over this issue that a small part of their base is concerned about, Republicans can talk about opening factories, creating jobs, and lowering taxes.
I do hope that Democrats don't bite this time and that they don't make this a major platform issue. We're all much better country when both sides are talking about the economy.
I see transgender people have been banned from the military..I disagree with this decision..it doesn't go far enough..I think everyone should be banned from the military.
... affects everyone. It's just that many don't get it until it's their turn to be discriminated against.
As a candidate, Trump cast himself as a supporter of LGBT rights and indicated he would uphold certain Obama-era policies designed to protect transgender people.
Technically, keeping someone out of the military is protecting them.
(Hurray alternative facts!)
... so it doesn't actually matter in the end. A smaller cockpit designed primarily for men would make the planes more effective. And the multitasking required is generally also easier for women. Why didn't we think of this before?
... therefore the institution should continue to treat other people poorly. Because I only care about fairness if it is about me. I don't actually care about fixing it so that it is better for everyone. I'm a taker, not a co-creator.
And these lgbtq... "issues" are just a whiny fringe who need to worry about more important issues. And as they alienate more people, they are sobataging their agenda.
It's a circular definition because you don't consider their issues valid no matter what they are.
If one feels the need to choose from a list a letters to sexually identify with, they are no better than folks who want to limit folks to two genders.
Right, because you don't feel like you should be forced to acknowledge that these people exist at all. Which is how this problem started.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Very good decision. These people need mental help and don't belong in uniform.
The large majority of jobs in the U.S. armed forces are not fighting or even physical roles.
A great-uncle, a WW2 paratrooper, shared his frozen hole in the ground on the font lines of Bastogne with a truck driver who had not fired a weapon since basic training.
Another great-uncle, brother of the previous, was a clerk aboard a Navy destroyer in the Pacific during WW2. His primary job involving logs, ledgers and typewriters but during combat these were put aside and his secondary job came into play, anti-aircraft gun crew member. His tertiary job was Browning Automatic Rifleman (he did well in Basic Training on the rifle range) in the event of guarding prisoners, repelling boarders, or shore party. "Shore party" in this context being when the Navy is a bit short of Marines at a particular place and time and tells Sailors to pick up a rifle and engage in ground combat. Sort of like the previously mentioned Army truck driver. His tertiary job only came into play in the context of covering crew members as they were fishing enemy sailors/pilots out of the sea. Some of these tried to pull a gun or knife to take one last American with them.
A high school teacher was an electronics technician in the Marine Corp and served in Vietnam. One day he was sitting at his workbench at a comfy base in the rear and his lieutenant appears and tells him that a Marine Force Recon team was taking him behind enemy lines to the Ho Chi Minh Trail in order to install sensors that would detect the movement of enemy reinforcements and supplies on that trail.
In recent wars is there any shortage of stories of troops in non-fighting roles finding themselves in a firefight while driving from point A to point B?
The bathroom policy is not settled because it's not politically useful for it to be settled. As an issue it was invented because the Supreme Court said that being mean to gays wasn't okay any more, so we had to pick on the smaller group of "deviants". It's not going to go away until it stops driving voters to the polls. I'm not sure what isn't blatantly transparent about that.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
I don't see why we need to tolerate every freak and degenerate's whimsical compulsions. The idea that everybody's behavior is equally acceptable as long as it doesn't cause direct physical harm to someone else is completely irresponsible and crazy.
Granted requiring registration when the US has an all volunteer army is pretty stupid, but as long as men have to and women don't, the question of what transgendered have to do will be there.
And if transgendered don't have to register, then what constitutes being transgendered?
... stuff that matters."
This story is neither.
Generals.
Sure you do buddy, and your dad works at Nintendo.
"it" is a non gendered term so it logically makes sense to apply that to someone with an ambiguous gender.
"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow ... transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military."
There is no way this is true. I absolutely, positively refuse to believe for one second that Donald Trump consulted with anybody on any topic for any reason.
Your assertion that being black and being transgender are the same thing is quite disturbing. I wonder how black people feel knowing that idiots like you not only exist, but believe you are doing a service to humanity by espousing such absurdities... I'm sure black people will be happy to know that given the right treatment they have a chance of not being black. A measurable percentage of them can be black one day, not black the next, and sometimes be both at the same time. As long as they don't "feel" black they will not be black. I'm sure that the Asians and Hispanics will be just as happy with your bullshit!
Typical SJW confusing facts with feelings and believing they are interchangeable.
> I don't know why you think someone having a different gender identity than their assigned at birth identity somehow must make them "weak."
Science. But the left seems to engage in magical thinking as if reality actually had a liberal bias, so when science contradicts them, they have a hard time accepting that:
Historically people with flat feet were not allowed to enlist despite the genuine desire to fight.
Now we want people with mental issues in the fighting force? This is completely irresponsible, and a clear case of misplaced priorities
You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.
--Barry Goldwater
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Whether we label something as a mental health problem is less relevant to whether or not it is a mental health problem that interferes with their ability to fight. Many minor mental health problems are allowed for people in the military or in security contexts as long as they don't impair ability. That's something that should be made on a judgment based on that sort of concern.
Yes, it's high time that the Pink Barrettes were a thing.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Looks like just another GNAA troll to me.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So, I agree that there are specific concerns in that context, and they do require substantial examination to see how much they matter. Luckily, we also have data from other countries. For example, the IDF allows transgender individuals and has had no problems aside from some very minor accommodations they had to make. There are many medical circumstances where we don't put people into front-line combat while they are undergoing it, but that doesn't mean we don't put them in the military wholesale.
Almost every trans person I know was a member of the military, many have been decorated. Why are those given medals considered weak to you? Should honors from the military be a reason to kick them out?
Those were their interior design, mindfulness and inclusiveness merit badges from Scouts.
If there's ever a draft you better fucking believe i'm going to be transgendered.
People are "assigned" a gender in the same way the earth was "assigned" the oceans. The mountains were "assigned" the snow caps, and the solar system was "assigned" the sun.
That phrase only makese sense if you are so deeply religious to believe that their is some sort of all powerfull entity literally deciding what sex people will be before they are born.
They are either XX or XY. Your gender is immutable. All changes are cosmetic.
Considering all of these physical and mental conditions are dis-qualifiers from service, explain to me how this already isn't in effect, and Trump isn't just taking credit for essentially doing nothing?
http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html
Highlights include:
Genitalia
The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are:
a. Female genitalia.
(10) Uterus, congenital absence of, or enlargement due to any cause.
(13) Major abnormalities and defects of the genitalia such as a change of sex. A history thereof, or dysfunctional residuals from surgical correction of these conditions.
b. Male genitalia.
(1) Absence of both testicles, either congenital, or acquired, or unexplained absence of a testicle.
(6) Penis, amputation of, if the resulting stump is insufficient to permit normal micturition.
c. Major abnormalities and defects of the genitalia, such as a change of sex, a history thereof, or dysfunctional residuals from surgical correction of these conditions.
Psychosexual Conditions
The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestitism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias.
TL;DR - You can't be postop, and be in the military. You can't be openly pre-op and be in the military. You can't transition while in the military. How is any of this new?
I'd rather have a transgender catch a bullet, but I can see why they might be an issue.
Gender isn't assigned at birth, it isn't a social construct but does influence social constructs. Stop trying to re define everything brother.
Fuck you and fishy-fishy tits!
"After consultation with my Generals and military experts"
It's sad that I can't even imagine a situation where there was a thoughtful discussion on this subject by Trump and any government staff/officials. At best he probably grabbed a few human bobble-heads and had a 30 minute discussion about how great his idea was to ban transgenders from the military. At worst I wouldn't put it past him to have actually "discussed" this with actual bobble-heads.
PTSD may not get a person immediately booted, but it can be a barrier to re-enlistment. I don't know why so many commenters here seem to think that the military doesn't have an issue with it.
I agree with your point, but there's no need to be so nasty about it. What if hormone therapy and surgery in an extended game of pretend is actually the appropriate treatment for the condition? Shouldn't we always treat our retards and the mentally ill well, given how fucked up they are?
Now that tranny activism stuff though, that needs to go. That's cancer.
There's at least one who would disagree.
We heard almost identical arguments about blacks in 1948.
About women in combat roles during the 1980s.
About gays in the military since then.
The same arguments, same language, same logic.
Dress it up however you want,
but you can't polish a turd.
Never mind about transgender people, when are the armed forces going to end the outrageous discrimination against men with bone spurs on their feet?
M*A*S*H was a documentary, right?
Or this is about people who genuinely want the right to fight for their country.
It can also be about people who want their country to PAY for a very expensive treatment both during service and after.
Peace is easy to achieve, just surrender. Liberty is much harder get/keep.
I know several LGBTQs because a good friend is. Every one got relentlessly bullied growing up. Often by people in positions of power (teachers, principals, police). Most had parents that were unsupportive. The lucky ones were ignored by their parents. The less lucky received a constant stream of emotional abuse and for the really unlucky ones it as physical abused.
What I'm saying is, in the environment our society has created for them, not shit they got some issues. The correct response isn't to shit on them by denying them one of the few economic opportunities they might have (and make no mistake, our military is a giant socialism program meant to prop up our economy in the face of mind boggling wealth inequality. If you doubt me go read what Eisenhower had to say about the MIC). The correct response is to stop dumping on them non-stop.
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there's be some contention. Or how about Muslims? So yeah, there's still a debate to be had. The President is not a God-King.
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Another interesting comment I read in this thread was that something as mundane as a minor case of Scoliosis can disqualify someone from serving in an armed force. Where is the standard? Should we open the doors to something as biologically and medically impactful as gender transition (greater) when we're already closing them to something like a minor case of Scoliosis (lesser)? Should we be arguing for allowing transgendered people just because it's a big social issue or should we consider it in the context of all other reasons that a person can be blocked from entering military service?
It's a complicated topic.
As commander in Chief, When I grope someone who looks like a female, I want to know that its a female.
The only prick that should ever be allowed in the women's showers should be me when I do an "inspection".
Ahh the good old days of beauty pageants .
hmmm no guns for them, no knives either..... what who said we teach them self defence... thats gotta stop too, bigly
Now, when the rest of the people will be on par with their transgender counterpart, and not serve in the military either, that would be a great day!
That would be the Amazon Battalion. Actually, there's historical records of homosexuality in the military going back thousands of years. Many of the encounters were not just sexual, but of a strong bonding relationship. Personally, I think it's really strange and unusual. Overall, my take on it is that it doesn't matter so long as they can do their job, and not be a social or physical detriment to his/her company. Essentially, don't ask, don't tell. Everyone keep it to yourselves and focus on the mission to see it through victory - that is all.
I knew two cross-dressers who were in Vietnam; one had the river boat blown from under him. Years later they found fiberglass still in his leg.
I knew two transsexual Army soldiers. One broke their back when they were shot down in their helicopter. The other kept reenlisting, and was groomed by the CIA.
I knew another transsexual person who kept reenlisting who had quite a few scars from being shot up.
I knew a nuclear engineer aboard a submarine who was transsexual.
You are going to have transsexual people in the military, one way or another. Though the issue here is not only a question of military service, but a question of our place in society.
And as if it matters, I carried a draft slip too, and when I was young I would have given my life for my country, as did my grandmother's brother, aboard the USS Juneau, who died along with the Sulivan Brothers,
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Is there any evidence that anyone has attempted or intends to do this? As far as I can tell, this is essentially a conservative urban legend. And when RAND did a study on the costs of including transgender individuals they seem to have concluded that this was not at all likely https://www.rand.org/news/press/2016/06/30.html.
BALL AS BIG AS CHURCH BELLS!! To quote Jerry Caesar. I spoke with someone with military family today and they are overjoyed with POTUS unfucking things left over from One Big Ass Mistake America. And so am I.
Otherwise we would lose our freedoms and the Russians would replace our president with someone they like, son.
Oh, wait!
So it's good when people serve in order to get their country to pay for very expensive college degrees, but it's bad when people serve in order to get their country to pay for expensive medical procedures?
"Agree to put yourself in harm's way for your country and we'll pay for some expensive benefits for you" has been a key ingredient in armed forces recruiting for decades.
This crap started about a year ago and needed to end before it really got started. People act like it's the end of the world though.
Enough experimenting with the US Military, enough trying to accommodate every last 0.5% of the population, it's not the place for it, it has to end at some point.
Want to be or are trans...good for you, live a nice life I say, no problem, just not in the us armed forces, go work at cia, you'll fit in better anyway.
It's hard enough on the battlefield to figure out who\what you can or should be shooting at these days, last thing someone needs to worry about is if they used the right pronoun in addressing someone.
Study after study from medical organizations has highlighted the mental disorders and medical burdens of the LGBT community, yet the LGBT mobs go to great lengths to silence/discredit the authors/organizations and/or have the studies buried from public view. What is different is that the blacks didn't do this. Demonizing authorities who oppose their agenda is a poor strategy to get culture to accept them and to justify their lifestyle. It is deception, plain and simple.
The blacks have been vocal about their resentment of LGBT groups attempting to borrow from their civil rights struggles. They don't see any parallels.
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All of this supporting transgender bullshit needs to stop. These people are mentally ill and need help. Stop acting like there's nothing wrong with them.
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Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Can't grab em by the pussy!
...I'll betcha.
The purpose of the military, is to break things and kill people.
Go read your Clauswitz, you ignorant fool.
End the perversion of the America-hating Regressives...
ABORT ONE OR TEN MILLION - TODAY!!!!!
Show me your fish tits and I'll give you a dollar.
Why? Because diabetics need constant medication. So do transgenders. Men don't keep those tits alive by rubbing them. It takes constant daily hormone therapy to keep pretending you've got two X chromosomes in every cell in your body. A transgender in combat is a liability, period.
42 pushups you mean. Males 18-21yo were required to do 42 in 1997. That number has not gone up since then. Lying and exaggerating does nothing to advance your bigoted argument except to prove that what you really want to do is legally hate on people you don't care about. Bullshit about unit cohesion and mission distraction are, well, distractions from your true intent. Haters wanna hate and haters gonna hate. Stay classy, hater.
The Generals said the same thing about Gay troops.
They lied.
They said the same thing about Black troops
they lied
They said the same thing about Women Troops
They lied.
Why does tRump think this is different?
The female Marines just didn't have the physical performance capabilities of the males
Aha, but they do when all the female marines are all actually men!
The correct solution Trump should have imposed that would have left the liberal community in angry silence is to require all women in the military service to be transgender men.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
How many different people do they identify as? If a guy can identify as a woman, he/she/they can identify as 10 million women.
That Trump's ban on transgendered people in the military is a blessing for pacifists! They will only need to declare being transgendered (most possibly, pre-op) to avoid draft. How would the army verify that you are not transgender?
Blacks, gays, etc. have all been in some sort of military throughout history (the Sacred Band of Thebes and so on). But transsexuals haven't existed at all except in the last 100 years.
Were people in the 1800s cutting of their genitals to be a woman or something? If they didn't, why do they have to do it in the modern day. More than likely, these people have mental disorders or are severely depressed. Or both.
and it's important to realize that. They know exactly what they're doing. It's wealth transfer from the working class to the investor class. It's an 800 billion dollar tax cut paid for by gutting our medical system. The stakes are enormous. That 800 billion is going to go mostly to the top .01%. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. A lot of it will become legal bribes in the form of campaign contributions.
This was never a healthcare bill. It's a tax bill to benefit the riches of the rich.
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Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that this is a hot topic for Slashdot? So quickly? Where else is everyone seeing this? Facebook? Reddit? Every time the government does this, there is something much much worse going on. It's a distraction. That's what bothers me the most about this. The "outrage" will last just long enough; no one will care by Monday. Anything interesting going on this weekend? Congress? Someone needs to keep an eye out on what legislature is getting slipped in. They did this with the Rebel Flag issue after the shooting. Just a week after getting everyone riled-up (June 18, 2015), the news announces the passing of gay marriage in all 50 states (June 26, 2015). The opposite may be happening; create a controversy so they can pass legislature in response to public demand except they don't tell you what else is attached to it. At least no one will care about Trump and Russia for a while. This is what they are voting on July 27, 2017 10 AM: https://energycommerce.house.g.... I guess they don't do anything on the weekends.
Back before the civil rights act, you probably would have also complained about those uppity minorities.
Then again, you might actually still do so.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Not as such, it's about choosing to limit the talent pool more or less than other employers - how about looking at it that way instead of out from under a pile of emotional baggage WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF OUTRAGE AT THE TIME.
Objective thought and practicality should be considered instead of what the Political Party line is today - surely you can think for yourself on this instead of recycling irrelevant outrage of others?
I spent eight years as an enlisted Marine. This was decades ago. There were gay people serving and, while we couldn't discuss it, it was well known and accepted. I don't care who you fuck. I care only that you have my back, as I have for you.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
This is what I find incredibly funny about alt right MAGA chuds fetishising the movie 300 and the Spartans in general. They love that movie because supposedly it's about western values overthrowing everything that is bad (like brown people, Islam, and gays) but throughout all this they completely forget to mention or even acknowledge that the Spartans were absolute degenerates; the rest of ancient Greek society totally looked down on them. Not because they're so 'honourable', or for whatever reason MAGA chuds tell themselves that society looks down on them; but because their society was cruel and inhumane, aside from this, all these warriors that these guys admire so much, would go home after battles and rape 8 year old boys; it was a very big part of life in Sparta.
Yes, you have the XXY cases. They have a defective genome, I'm sorry for them but there is nothing I can do to help it.
The US military should make their uniforms as girly as possible. Imagine the humiliation of having your ass handed to you by a bunch of guys in pink taffeta
as much as I love this idea, doesn't the camouflage attire serve a purpose without which the ass handing would be more difficult?
It would be interesting to see where those numbers come from and what they actually are.
As I mentioned in regards to the civilian issue of trans-gendered in bathrooms in the US, this is good news. It means that all the other more important things that effect and have impact on all citizens have been figured out and addressed. Why else would the President take the time out to make these kinds of decisions, which while negative for many people, certainly are not in the top 10 things that the US needs to get done.
Anyway don't mean to make light of the decision, as I know it is a serious one, just baffled by politicians in general that politically make these sorts of things a priority to move forward on when there are so many other much more important issues that need to be resolved. I mean who really cares all that much, and even if their is an impact to the military, both in cost, and in effectiveness, really how big of an impact could that possibly be? Anyway it is just another political move to pander to their base, for an easy "win" that earns them points for the next election and has little to do with reality other than to secure some future votes. I don't really think Trump is being vindictive, indeed I don't really think he really cares all that much one way or another, other than some political adviser probably suggest here is a way to distract people from the real problems facing the US and the administration, garner more right wing votes for the future, and further divide the population over something that is more ideological than it is practical.
The overwhelming majority of roles, front-line combat included, in a modern, professional military are largely technical. Correct usage of equipment and tactics wins battles not the hand-to-hand, strength-based stuff that you seem to over index on.
Right button, right time - boat, plane, tank.
Tell that to the people carrying 100lbs of ammo, food, water, weapons, clothing, utility gear, and communications who are in combat missions. Oh yeah, during a firefight/threat situation you may unload some gear for maneuvering, but you pick it back up and get back to duty asap.
Stop watching movies for your military knowledge and talk to actual veterans or enlist yourself you fucking coward! _ENTRY_ into Air Assault school has rigorous PT requirements including a 12 mile force march with 80lbs in your ruck in under 3 hours. Airborne school, dive school, Ranger school do too, and they are all nasty physically. Don't you think it would be cheaper to just let anyone train whatever they want based on your asinine view of the world? We can just "feel" like gear weighs nothing and it must be true right?
Yeah, correct usage of gear is essential but you have to have gear to fight with. Ammunition is extremely heavy and if you don't have food and water you drop dead from dehydration and starvation. A small would will _KILL_ without medical gear. Helicopters can't just be Star-Trek teleported into zones, and that hour flight in may be cut off if the zone is too hot for a landing. Calling in dustoff or air support requires radios powerful and durable enough to reach support.
You still haven't learned that TV and movies are not real. Very sad.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Good. We don't want heterophobic bigots in the military anyway.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Correct, their issues aren't valid. They're all mental issues- as in people who have for whatever reason decided to live their life in a delusion.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
While women can become much stronger than other women by taking hormones, there are other effects such as uncontrollable rage that come with those treatments often enough that it should not be encouraged. If it was controllable rage, maybe.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Wow, you really got me. I gave the minimum for my job from memory, and you found the absolute minimum to stay in the service no matter what your job.
If you want to get promoted you don't aim for minimums, and depending on your job, there are different PFT requirements. Are you attempting to deny despite all facts you can find to the contrary that women and men have the same PT test? Are you going to deny that transgender males taking estrogen see no physical changes and can pass the same PT test as a male without estrogen? Who exactly is the liar? YOU!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The fat-assed Orange Orangutan evaded the draft because he was too stupid and cowardly to serve and now he wants to penalize people who want to serve.
You can request a waiver to serve with diabetes, high blood pressure, medicated depression, and sleep disorders, etc... but your waiver can be denied. Why not perform a basic web search before spewing stupidity?
https://www.thediabetescouncil...>From:
This is the hard stance of the military related to Type 1, Type 1.5 and Type 2 diabetes, and generally all branches of the military feel this way about a person with diabetes serving in combat. The general consensus is that you will not be able to make it through tough periods of combat, and that you will be a burden to others that are serving with you. All branches of the military will not allow a Type 1, Type 1.5, or Type 2 diabetic to enlist. You can submit waivers, but you may still get a no .
Emphasis mine.
Sure, not every job in the Military is a combat job but that does not give the military unlimited numbers of non-combat jobs and allow them to ignore the combat roles. If the US Army made everyone a medic we would not be a very effective fighting force now would we?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
This is potentially a good thing but for the wrong reason.
Suicide rates are tremendously high for soldiers, and tremendously high for Trans individuals.
Placing one demographic that has a disproportionately high suicide rate into an industry/profession that is renown for generating a high suicide rate in previously healthy individuals does not seem to be a recipe for success IMHO.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
You are now attempting to claim that gay and transexual are the same thing and can be treated the same way by society. Yet you are also out there telling everyone that Trans people are different and can't use the same bathrooms as the gender they were born with, need puberty blockers before they are teenagers, need access to hormones and surgery, and have to be treated by what ever gender they decide they are. You further say it can be fluid, so changes based on how a person feels at any given moment so we can't use addresses like Mr., Ms, boy and girl.
So which is it SJW? Can we do away with LGBTAAIQP and replace that with "Gay", or does that only work for _you_ when when it benefits your regressive political positions?
Notice that I did not claim they were the same or have the same needs, or argue anything on my list of demands _you_ make of society in dealing with transgender people. You did.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
You mean the fantasy of "The Great Switch" which was exactly 1 person named Strom Thurmond? The rest remained in the Democratic party, including Bird. here or here, but numerous other sites debunk that fairy tale. I'm pretty sure Snopes had something on it too, but Snopes didn't come up first in my search.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Can 0.3-0.6% of the population really do anything "in droves"?
LK
That was a misquote. It was do anything "in drag."
Finally a President who sees truth! This is not just a bathroom issue. Any time you have to make special rules because someone has to be treated special, rather than following the rules deemed to maintain a military, the rule breaker should move on to something more suitable. During the Viet Nam era my brother was not privileged to serve because he had asthma and was declared medically unfit for duty. So, should the rules have been changed for him to accommodate his asthmatic breathing issues? No, that is dangerous, very problematic, and not very wise. So this is true with the transgenders. They are medically unfit for duty and historically this has been the position of the military for most of American history up until July of 2016--we are just going back to the status quo. In order to be fit for duty, you must be able to go anywhere in the world in any type of environment and be able to survive without any special medical needs. Transgenders need hormone therapies, gender reassignment procedures, and all types of medical needs that would cause them to medically be unfit for duty. And we haven't even broached the subject of psychological issues. The FRC and Rand Corporation did an anaylsis of the potential costs associated with maintain even the small number of transgenders in the military and found the profound medical costs associated with those changes would reach over $10 Billion dollars over the next 10 year.... We have only talked about the medical fitness. There are a plethora of other issues associated with training and other aspects of military life. So of course I'm sure you have thought about all those before you started calling out bigotry, right? Also here's another question: Should taxpayers be forced to fund any voluntary gender reassignment procedures and all the hormone therapies associated with it?
Maybe the man-ly men in the military care more about their boy's club that letting everyone serve their country. They are still dealing with the anger over why men can't publicly share naked pictures of their coworkers. https://news.slashdot.org/stor... . Can you imagine any civilian positions where this would even be a discussion?
This ban came about because the Republicans were arguing about banning funding for sex changes. They couldn't come to an agreement that would pass so the conservatives went to Trump for help. He solved the problem by banning transgender without discussing the implications with very many folks. We can have all the social engineering discussions we want but this out-of-the-blue decision resulted from a mixing of finance and politics.
The military has long had a policy of removing from combat roles persons who require medication to function. i.e. insulin dependent diabetes. Removing the transgender is consistent with this policy as hormone treatments would be a logistical nightmare to supply in a war zone.
LGBT rights vs medical discharge for the good of the service. I'll wager the convenience of the service will carry the day.
The need for special individually tailored routine medication to function is enough of a down side to render a transgendered person enough of a liability to remove from the military that requires above average physical condition in the first place. This isn't a special thing for transgendered but a continuation of a policy that has long been in place. Heck, if you got force fed Ritalin for ADHD at any time in your life; you aren't fit for service by the current medical standards.
NRRPT/RCT
They have the right to exist and the right to be mentally defective fact resistant humans but they DO NOT have the right to force me or any other rational human being to go along with it. Kudos to Trump for standing up to the trans whackos and bring reality back. We need mentally strong people in the military not men who think their balls look nice in panties and women who have healthy breasts hacked off so they can pose as "men". If a person cut off their perfectly healthy arm so they could live as a disabled person you would think they were insane! Thst they were legitimately mentally ill! Yet when a man has a doctor hack apart his healthy reproductive organs to make a frankenvagina you give him awards and TV shows. The liberal mind set is a disease and it's killing society. 20 yrs ago if a parent cross dressed their toddler and tried to pass em off as the opposite sex that parent would be arrested for abuse. Which it is! A toddler would believe they were a truck if you told them they were. My almost 4 yr old sometimes pretends to be a dog, should I let him shit the yard and sniff people's asses? When I was a teenager i had a shaved head which definietly wasn't common for girls (XX actual human females) I was a tomboy as a kid and teen! Thank the gods that my parents weren't mental case liberals and I went thru that before trannymania became the latest fad. If I was that teen today this ass backwards society would be telling me I'm really a dude because I didnt like girly things. I'd have lunatics trying to convince me that I needed hormones and to have my boobs cut off to be happy!! Fekking madness!!!! When reality comes back and it will; there will be masses of surgically and chemically mutilated humans who cannot reproduce or even have normal sexual relations because their genitals are ruined! There will be a lot of anger and regret. And all you morons who support and encourage transmania are just as guilty as the "doctors" who put teens on hormones and little kids on puberty blockers. Who cut off healthy normal body parts to create a small army of mutialted, fake, miserable human beings who need medical intervention for life to live their delusion.
Like 2% of the population is gay, and the only time men are scared of a homosexual man is if they're in prison sharing the shower with him. Gays aside no enemy will fear a bunch of men in skirts crying that their nail polish is chipped. A nation of snowflakes having mass identity crisis isn't very threatening. Obama turned the states into snowflake central! You got queers ruining people's careers and lived because they wont bake cakes or do flowers for gay weddings. Meanwhile none of you assholes bat an eyelash at all the queers getting murdered in the middle East just for being queer. Where's your rage? All you idiots cared about was forcing society to revolve around either your sexual orientation or your identity crisis. You lgbtqwxyz lunatics are doing a great job destroying your own agenda. 2 yrs from now reality will be back and being a transtrender gender bender will be treated like any other delusion
They weren't gay just horny. No women around when your gone off to battle for yrs so you stick it in whatever you can. Same way a straight man will still fuck another man in prison. I'm 100% heterosexual but if I was stuck in a same sex segregated situation for a long period of time (Spartan wars, long prison sentences etc) I'd probably start batting for the same team briefly too just for something to do. People claim they're born gay but I dont buy it. Men who grow to be gay were often molested by men as a child, the eye done many studies on it. Women who were bused by men offer turn to women. People are a product of their environment. If being gay was normal human behavior more than 2% of the population would be gay. If being a gender bender was normal more than 0.2% of the population would be playing Frankenstein with their body parts. Even animals that have gay encounters still end up with a member of the opposite sex in the end.