So exactly what American law did he break, and why should he be tried for an American crime if he didn't break the law here in the US?
Perhaps if the government did one of two things... A) Hid their secrets better B) Didn't do something that needed to be kept secret.
We wouldn't be in this situation.
The US trying to hold him accountable for breaking our laws, when he didnt commit the crimes here, or break into any computers here is akin to a Muslim country holding your mother responsible for not wearing a burqa.
If we take outside of the realm of laws into state secrets and back room international politics, Mr. Assange did ask for trouble by toying with our intelligence agencies and military. If we were to give him that trouble, it would make us look even worse in the eyes of the world.
The cat is out of the bag, we should open discussions with Wikileaks to see if they will allow us to redact names from the documents they havn't released. Its either that or have the documents in their entirety released. Framing people for crimes they havnt committed is wrong.
It doesn't apply to Obama. The leader is ultimately responsible for the work done in their name. If Obama gave the CIA carte blanche to take care of the situation, then he is the one ultimately responsible.
Note: I voted for Obama, and I think he gets blamed for a lot of things that are outside of his, or anyones for that matter, control. If this is a CIA operation he IS responsible.
Personally I think you just want him to have done it. Two women, who knew each other were raped in different cities on different days, then come in and report the crimes together. HAH I call BULL.
Most if not all cars are delivered to dealerships on car carrier trucks, so they must all have easily accessible tie down points. Tow truck drivers also never seem to have much of an issue finding good points to secure vehicles with.
Ive railoaded military vehicles before. It can happen alot faster then you think, all you have to do is have a trained crew do the actual loading while the travelers waits nearby. I see the biggest issue with being are the people going to ride IN their own vehicle? These train trips can be long rides without restrooms and food. If you have these people ride inside regular rail cars on the same train, your going to be wasting alot of fuel toting around a shitload of vehicles all the time, and your not going to get the fuel savings trains normally have.
Your right.. there are some models that dont though. There are at least two or three posts about people who have interlock devices that allow the car to run all night. There seems to be a wide variety in the feature set of these interlock devices.
I was just trying to point out that checking the machine for DNA samples probably wont hold water in court.
Here we go.. since either I worded it poorly or people arnt reading the thread.
Person A has a interlock device on his vehicle. Person A has been drinking Preson A convinces Person B who hasnt been drinking to start his car by blowing in it. Person A gets busted for driving drunk Tests of the interlock device show Person B blew into it.
Person B need only say that his personal vehicle was acting up and that he borrowed Person A's vehicle, and thus it was necessary for Person B to blow into the interlock device.
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This is absolutely correct. Anyone who says differently needs to take a Comparative Religions course at your local institute of higher education.
Those are the ten commandments.. the Catholics have those too.
You weren't the captain of the debate team in high school were you?
It looks like a pair of headphones to me
It may be safer to allow others to fight our battles for us, but it's not healthy to rely on that.
This.
Clearly you didn't write your post clearly.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Excellent point, I offer my apologies to The Onion for comparing them to fox news.
Yep, the garbage man wont notice the dirty diaper that comes rolling out of the trashcan marked aluminum.
Perhaps the Anonymous Comic should have put the subject in the message, the joke might have made a tad more sense.
Your right...
Julian Assange isn't an American citizen.
So exactly what American law did he break, and why should he be tried for an American crime if he didn't break the law here in the US?
Perhaps if the government did one of two things...
A) Hid their secrets better
B) Didn't do something that needed to be kept secret.
We wouldn't be in this situation.
The US trying to hold him accountable for breaking our laws, when he didnt commit the crimes here, or break into any computers here is akin to a Muslim country holding your mother responsible for not wearing a burqa.
If we take outside of the realm of laws into state secrets and back room international politics, Mr. Assange did ask for trouble by toying with our intelligence agencies and military. If we were to give him that trouble, it would make us look even worse in the eyes of the world.
The cat is out of the bag, we should open discussions with Wikileaks to see if they will allow us to redact names from the documents they havn't released. Its either that or have the documents in their entirety released. Framing people for crimes they havnt committed is wrong.
The one with the most credible evidence.
It doesn't apply to Obama. The leader is ultimately responsible for the work done in their name. If Obama gave the CIA carte blanche to take care of the situation, then he is the one ultimately responsible.
Note: I voted for Obama, and I think he gets blamed for a lot of things that are outside of his, or anyones for that matter, control. If this is a CIA operation he IS responsible.
Glad I could help.
I was trying to use a term that everyone would understand. I agree the term doesn't describe it properly.
fox news doesnt count as "the media" its more along the lines of entertainment a la the onion
http://www.theonion.com/
If Im not mistaken its the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_non_proliferation_treaty#Iran
After reading up on the incident you mention, it seems rather likely it was a case of friendly fire.
They taught me not to follow "unlawful orders" when I was in the military.
Following orders is a very bad excuse for doing something you know is wrong.
people have presupposed Assange's innocence because they like him
Naw its just that whole innocent till proven guilty mind set I have, and possibly the unusual circumstances that it was claimed to happen under.
Personally I think you just want him to have done it. Two women, who knew each other were raped in different cities on different days, then come in and report the crimes together. HAH I call BULL.
Most if not all cars are delivered to dealerships on car carrier trucks, so they must all have easily accessible tie down points. Tow truck drivers also never seem to have much of an issue finding good points to secure vehicles with.
Ive railoaded military vehicles before. It can happen alot faster then you think, all you have to do is have a trained crew do the actual loading while the travelers waits nearby.
I see the biggest issue with being are the people going to ride IN their own vehicle? These train trips can be long rides without restrooms and food. If you have these people ride inside regular rail cars on the same train, your going to be wasting alot of fuel toting around a shitload of vehicles all the time, and your not going to get the fuel savings trains normally have.
Your right.. there are some models that dont though. There are at least two or three posts about people who have interlock devices that allow the car to run all night. There seems to be a wide variety in the feature set of these interlock devices.
I was just trying to point out that checking the machine for DNA samples probably wont hold water in court.
Here we go.. since either I worded it poorly or people arnt reading the thread.
Person A has a interlock device on his vehicle.
Person A has been drinking
Preson A convinces Person B who hasnt been drinking to start his car by blowing in it.
Person A gets busted for driving drunk
Tests of the interlock device show Person B blew into it.
Person B need only say that his personal vehicle was acting up and that he borrowed Person A's vehicle, and thus it was necessary for Person B to blow into the interlock device.