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India Now Wants Access To Google and Skype
crabel writes "A couple of weeks ago India went after RIM and its mail service; it has extended its hunger for data now to all telecommunications. All telecom companies have to give them access to all voice over IP services that go in/out or happen within the country. Heck, they are even going after VPNs used by corporate employees working remotely."
Fuck doing business with India or Indian corporation/nationals.
Just be sure to wear the gold uniform when you beam down -- you know what happens when you wear the red one.
Demanding access to all the corporate VPNs is a great way to make companies more skittish about outsourcing there!
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Great, another reason not to send American jobs to India as if crappy support from people you can't understand isn't enough ;)
Birdy Nam Nam hungry again?
Someone tell India that Gluttony and Greed are two of the seven sins.
Maybe this is a good thing, in a way. maybe if India requires access to corporate vpn, it will dissuade security-conscious companies, such as a large, multinational, 3-lettered one, from outsourcing to india
trying to look at the bright side (sort of). selfishly, I realize that-
but if there is fear in US companies that they can no longer trust people in india (eg, tech workers) because the risk of losing their competitive edge either to the government or other companies might be too much.
if I had signature authority on outsourcing for a company, I'd strongly reconsider pulling back any 'sensitive' work that is being done there. as of now, its no longer 'secure' (not sure it ever really was but now its totally worthless as a trustable domain).
this could actually help tech workers in the US. in a left-handed kind of way, that is.
suddenly, I'm all for india filtering and spying on its citizens!
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I'm sure most governments do the same thing (certainly the US), just not out in the public for everyone to know about.
If only all google, skype, and others would just stop service for 1 day, maybe the Indian Government would reconsider. But that would probably be called collusion or something and branded illegal. Were is the State Department? Are they trying to defuse the situation? I ask because I don't know if they have any involvement.
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This is what happens when the national security policy is run by incompetent buffoons who have no understanding of security or IT.
You wanted to be the greatest source of ICT Professionals in the world.
You started low - call centres - but hoped high.
Now you just shot yourself in the foot with a rocket launcher.
When I was doing my masters(in India) , my friend through his relative was able to get a project with DRDO(One of India's Defence Research Department).
His project was to develop a GUI in QT in linux for the Data Packet Sniffer program they already had in place, yes it reads all the incoming and outgoing emails of all the employees
, and everybody knows about this and nobody cares about it.
India has bigger problems called Corruption,Terrorism,Communal Conflicts to deal with that everyone is treated Guilty until proven Innocent.
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There is a solution: Use S/MIME. This is the email encryption standard supported by all major mail clients without need for plugins. It can even work with web-based gmail using a firefox addon: http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-smime/gmail-smime.html
You can create your own certificates or get free certificates from places like Comodo.
One quirk of S/MIME is that the subject line is not encrypted. This is a good place to add the text "India can suck my beef jerky" to every encrypted message.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
They could potentially do some real damage to their economy while still not being able to monitor all electronic communications in their country. Hopefully they're not putting all their security eggs in the "monitoring" basket, because people will find a way to communicate under the radar. Any terrorists that monitoring catches are probably not the ones you have to worry about.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
and without money flowing in or out...other corporations aren't going to be so willing to allow some random unsecured third governmental party access. My money is that they continue doing what they are currently doing until someone actually notices or attempts access.
Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity, Lick it once and you suck forever.
Seems like the Indian government has found a more effective way of building a great wall around its borders - let the people outside build it.
A lot of people don't know this, but the Indians were closely aligned with the Soviet Union in the 1970s. In particular you had the Indo-Soviet Treaty, under which India received military and (gasp) intelligence assistance from the Russians.
So the fact that they're behaving like pseudo-socialist totalitarians right now shouldn't really surprise anybody. And provided they continue to rent their workforce to US corporations at rates that can't be competed with on US soil, our CEOs and CFOs will continue to patronize them.
virtual private network, surely.
Or did some group decide to replace a perfectly good name with a crappy one?
so let me get this straight. the indian government thinks it has a RIGHT to intercept all communication that it wants to (sans warrant, mind you).
does that essentially make personal end-to-end encryption illegal? it has to! the concept of you being able to conceal your comms is in the process of being ILLEGAL there.
people are commenting on 'well, just use SSH or SSL or ...'.
but you are missing the point. if they insist on getting access to all comms, you think they'll tolerate people doing an end-run around this?
the VERY next step is to identify users who side-step this with their own encryption layer and persecute them, one way or another. it has to follow. first you require all data to be sniffable and then you go after those that won't agree.
I remember about 20 yrs or so ago, it was illegal for french citizens to use encryption (details are fuzzy; I may not have this exactly accurate). but france was some kind of exception and vendors had to do all kinds of backflips to sell to french companies. are we going back to shit like this, again??
I think we are. its absolutely coming that encryption will be deemed 'munitions' again. or, encryption that WORKS; the bullshit encryption you think you can trust but is breakable will be 'allowed' to you to keep you feeling like you have some control.
I guess its now: any encryption that is legal is encryption you cannot trust.
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What the hey is the difference what china is doing and all the western countries are doing? They can wiretap me anywhere anytime, no matter voip, landline, mobile ...
So what?
I doubt things are going to work out well for either of us.
India Now Wants Access To Google and Skype
Google and Skype should just say no. In fact, if everybody said "NO!" then India would condemn itself to being a third world country. It would also give BlackBerry an incentive to say "NO!" too, because if your competition isn't making money off of evil, then BlackBerry isn't losing any business from competition. Of course India (et al) could always just continue to steal technology, but at least that would give trading partners an incentive to retaliate.
When the democracies start spying on there own citizens then being in a "democracy" is quite useless. Warrants, oversight and checks and balances are what made America (on paper at least) a great nation. Too bad everybody is falling for the lowest common denominator repression that used to be the primary domain of dictatorships.
They'll never want to eavesdrop on private communication data again!
Please to be not acting like assholes.
Politricksters & Bureaucrats trying to make a quick buck... "want to talk ... pay up son .... or we will silence you"
first there was letters people would send, and people would try to secretly read from eachother, and govts try to read from people.
pro: quite easy to detect sniffing (letter would be opened)
con: cumbersome
then telephony came, again people tied to spy on eachother and the govt tried to spy on its people.
pro: less cumbersome
con: harder to detect sniffing
now with the internet we are in control. people 'could' get proper end-to-end encryption schemes and signatures, but generally we're too lazy. so we leave the encryption up to the protocols and therefor merely use connection encryption. the govt is now easily denied its spying rights.
pros and cons aside: it's a game changer.
large govts have tried to deny us state-of-the-art encryption (the US), now they are directly demanding access at the companies that facilitate the communication. but the reality is that a youngster with a bit of interest in encryption easily sets up communication channels that the govt will never be able to access: so who want to go private, can go private. additionally the volume of communication is so high the govts will have a really hard time to scan us all.
i think the govt will at some point understand that they cannot (very specific cases aside) effectily spy on us anymore, it is simply too expensive.
Given the amount of money flowing in and out of India that is a result of VPN's, skype and google I seriously doubt this will happen.
RIM is one thing. Skype and Google quite another. You might as well pass a law requiring that everybody in India stop using Windows. Not gunna happen.
I don't see how they can comply without turning over the encryption algorithms? Skype, Google and corporate VPN's have end to end encryption that cannot just be eavesdropped by telcos, or even the NSA; at least that is what is known, yet they are proprietary and possibly contain backdoors.
Skype is rumored to have 256-bit long encryption keys, so good luck with brute force! "Skype’s chief security officer Kurt Sauer tells Svensson that there are no "back doors" that could let a government pass the encryption on a call. He does add, however, that the company complies with all government requests in this area.", according to Russell Shaw of zdnet.
Kindly needful thing and send me all your certificates....
Maybe India wanna access to my pants too? Or your Pants? I am beginning to think of implementing some security encrypted protocol there......
Bush Fucked the constitution of US like nobody elses business. The fuckers on /. obviously having bad opinion due to Indians taking over their entitled job will have field day here.
Frankly, they are stating publicly about their policy. In US we have back door entry for all these kind of things.
So even though I dont like what is being done, better than hacking my info without my knowledge.
Shouldn't mean you will necessarily get. Certainly if I were subject to EU or even the lower US privacy standards, I'd have grave concerns about out-sourcing *anything* to a locale that so cavalierly violated the most rudimentary notions of privacy and security. More pro-actively, to the extent a mere slashdot-peon can, I'd encourage RIM to go back to their pre-agreement stance and begin negotiations with other telecommunications providers and ex-pat companies with an India presence to present a united front at both the political and technical levels - implementing further and hardened security and privacy measures rather than undermining the often-minimal security in place today.
Governments are like puppies. They keep crapping in the middle of the floor until you rub their nose in it a few times.
"It is morally wrong to initiate the aggressive use of force.." Of course, defensive force is fair game...
I'd say that if the Government gets access to ALL kinds of data without a warrant, they're crossing the line. And Indian civil society is not going to take it, the Govt. will have to roll it back before long - so no one needs to get their panties in a bunch about communication monitoring. It isn't going to happen.
But I really wonder how SO many morons have gathered on one page, all cribbing about outsourcing! Well, keep your fond hopes to yourselves - just like communications monitoring isn't going to happen, outsourcing isn't going to stop either.
My Corporate Risk guy just shot coffee through his nose I'm sure.
The NSA does all of this already doesnt it?
I am an Indian and I wish my govt stopped this kind of pointless crap. I mean people get killed in broad daylight and people responsible are rarely brought to justice, and also guilty terrorists like Kasab have years long case and leaving all that the mostly semi literate idiots sitting in Lok Sabha decide that they need to see what I am mailing. No thanks.
BTW if somebody actually reads my post, try googling how many of India's MP's have criminal records, you will be surprised.
BBC Article is better, but still awfully short.
Google and Skype could be hit by India data curbs
India has toughened its scrutiny of telecoms firms with a directive demanding "access to everything".
An Indian Home Ministry official told the BBC that "any company with a telecoms network should be accessible".
"It could be Google or Skype, but anyone operating in India will have to provide data," he said.
The move follows high-profile talks with Blackberry maker Research in Motion about ways to allow Indian security forces to monitor data.
The government is also likely to target virtual private networks, which give secure access to company networks for employees working away from their offices.
To-do list
Some have speculated that the Indian government's new focus on its snooping powers is down to increased fears of terrorism.
Carsten Casper, a research director at analyst firm Gartner thinks it more likely that the government is simply "working its way down the to-do list".
"It is based on the ICT Act of 2000 which was revised in 2008. This is about interpreting that act and offering guidance to companies. It is one thing to have a law, but companies don't know how to configure their systems and these are more specific rules," he said.
The tightening of the rules is likely to affect Google, which uses powerful encryption in its Gmail service, and internet telecom service Skype.
"Skype has a similar issue to Blackberry, in so far as it uses a proprietary protocol and no-one knows what is under the hood," said Mr Casper.
A Google spokesman told the BBC it had not yet received any communication from the government.
RIM has been given 60 days to come up with a way to open up its data to Indian law enforcement authorities.
It has been reported that it is proposing setting up a server in India as part of the solution.
But Blackberry said that locating its servers locally would make no difference.
"All data remains encrypted at all times," it said. "Locating Blackberry infrastructure in a particular geography does not in any way aid or offer access to the encrypted information that flows through the Blackberry infrastructure."
The decision to delay the ban in India could be linked to the hosting of the Commonwealth Games in Delhi in October.
Blackberries are widely used in the country, with 1.1 million customers, and a ban could cause serious communication problems during the games.
Firstly, TFA links to USA today, which attributes the tabloid-ish Times of India, which quotes anonymous officials.
Secondly, It's not logical that India will piss off Google and MNCs considering the investments they's pouring in.
It's more likely they'll ask for help and work something out that balances security and privacy concerns.
No, what's wrong with them they can't touch my data. I keep very incriminating things in there.
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Generations allowed the NSA and GCHQ with their helper countries to do this and more. Cheap US cryptography was gifted to NATO that kept the Soviets out but gave plain text back to the NSA. :
European cryptography was subverted from inception and exported to the world.
Now this is happening to the next generation of hand held devices and people sit up?
Another country is getting what a select few had for decades.
The strange question is - why is anyone with anything interesting to say still silly enough to use any of this tech?
Numbers, IM's, friends lists, voice prints - all collected and searched for 24/7.
Make a call in some parts of the world and your voice is on file eg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/3949099/Royal-Marine-killed-on-Christmas-Eve-in-Afghanistan.html
I guess everybody now wants their own internal SIGmod
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/uk/isc2005-06.pdf
The real bite is the effort to get this into a public legal framework.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
With signature authority, I wouldn't have sensitive work outside the country for the simple reason that if one outsources work to another sovereign nation, not just that foreign company has access to stuff, its police department, its army, its intelligence agencies (who not just spy for national security but to help domestic companies), the nation's domestic companies, and finally allies of that nation all will have access to the information.
I allow a foreign company access to a build tree? I would be stupid if I didn't expect well written (or even poorly written) backdoors put in any security sensitive piece of code. They could even put in time bombs that would cause customer data to be corrupted, and I would have no recourse, legal or criminal against the offshore firm. Don't trust the foreign country's courts to render justice either. CNN covered recently the fact that India's courts are backlogged 7 years with people whom the government says are dead, but trying to appeal that decision to show that they are still breathing.
... from the US govt. having laws in place for (warranted) interception of communication.
The article does not say that the govt. is asking for warrantless wiretaps (at least not according to the BBC article that the USA Today article cites). I have friends in the Indian govt. eavesdropping community, and they talk about how oversight is very strong there, and access to such data needs a warrant and is logged.
So, what exactly is the problem here? Or are we demanding different standards for companies in US and India?
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I'm guessing that Sat phones might stage a comeback if this trend keeps up.
As India extends its reach into all communications, they will create an undesireable environment for foreign corporations to do any confidential work. This will make those corporations think twice about offshoring work to India that includes trade secrets, confidential or personal data, or even just really interesting stuff.'
As an American, I look forward to the return of jobs sent there in the past.
Bring it on!
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
never works. It only emboldens that aggressor.
I've deployed corporate VPNs into outsourced India locations for a fairly large US owned company that has clients worldwide. I don't make policy, but I bet we will cancel those contracts before we let the Indian government have access to our intellectual property. For example, we setup development servers in the USA and do not have any development tools provided outside the USA. Basically, the workers remote into our servers in the USA to perform their jobs. After 8 years of doing this, we found that Indian software developers cost about 1/3rd as much as USA workers, but that you need 2x the number to get similar work output. Add the cultural differences, slight language barrier and international hassles and the cost becomes about the same as hiring locally - provided you don't hire in Cali or NY.
I am all for India making itself as business unfriendly as possible, so cheapass companies quit outsourcing there. It really was amazing when I called tech support and got an actual AMERICAN person speaking English, because it had been years since this happened, another reason to buy Apple...
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Indian access = India having access to American consumers data, given the amount of interaction we have. CS at your bank send you an email from India help desk, I think India would/could attempt to use that interaction for access. Somebody better be standing up for me! (oh wait, I can do that for myself)
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What's next? A transition from one of the most important and populous democracies in the world into yet another faux democratic autocracy?
It's the latest in fashion.
Damn, I was hoping India would buck the trend.
Anyway, I'll remember to do any future business transactions with India via postcards. At least then there isn't the pretense of privacy.
What *I* wonder is why the Indian government is suddenly so paranoid that they feel the need to spy on everyone.
Has there been a power shift over there? Do they suddenly see a threat to their power that they want to head off early before it becomes too great?
This isn't just about privacy; this may potentially be signalling a dark shift in their government and policies that could result in reduced freedoms for Indian citizens and anyone visiting/doing business there.
Keep your eyes and ears open. The big picture may be scarier than it looks.
Corruption, bribe... my ass.
All the interception of electronic messages are and will be done my secret services/defence departments.
Employees in these organizations are *NOT* accessible to the average citizen. You cant walk up to a building marked "Electronic interceptions office" and bribe somebody.
It doesnt work that way.
All of this stuff is done because of the Mumbai incident.
...before china it was taiwan....and before that it was japan. The pattern is to be the manufacturer, learn how the design/ tech/ manufacturing works, then become independent.
Ex: Wiki 'Giant Bicycle' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Manufacturing)
It even happens to people who work for a promotion - learn the job of the superior (copy) and then innovate (or bullshit to the higher up).
True story: a few of days ago I requested our Indian subsidiary to set up a Linux box on their local network with SSH access so I could troubleshoot some network problems.
After the usual 10 days or so turnaround time (I believe emails which are sent to India are still transcribed into telegrams once they reach India soil) I got a reply, which I will paraphrase only slightly: "Sorry we cannot do the needful for ur request at this time. So we are sending you login info for our existing system. Plz do not change too much as our system might stop working".
The "login info" was... the root password to their primary application server.
I was sorely tempted to change it and come down on them like a metric shithouse of bricks, however I just know they would not update all the post-it notes and next time the one person at their end who actually requires root access needs it, they won't be able to log on and that part of the business will be royally screwed.
I mean, without giving the keys to the Indian government?
VPNs are already considered in-house administered encryption, and their government is demanding access to them.
When private secure communication is outlawed, only criminals will have secure communication. Then we've got them. We won't know what they communicated, but we'll know it was criminals communicating.
I'm an Indian and think this is crap that is happening over here. I wish I could do something to make the government do sensible things.
As I commented previously, this is all about catching terrorists, and nothing to do with censorship. Seems a lot of people did not like that comment. Now that even corporate VPNs are included, what can the conclusion be?
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How about Flamebait! How is this insightful? Who the hell is moderating today? Damn I want some of that smoke too!
At best it's Funny. HTF did this get insightful?
Damn!
the S/MIME option doesn't work (or alert the users) unless keys can be exchanged ahead of time and out-of-band.
S/MIME is basically in the PKI class, so the same "legal intercept" techniques that work against HTTPS can work against S/MIME with a little adaptation.
Since when has the US government or Companies given a damn how anything goes over diplomatically?
Like Rhett would say, "Frankly, we just don't give a damn!"
Considering how much business the US pumps to India, the US Government could do pretty much anything it wanted, including saying Bend over India, you're going to get Fscked. Of course, that the way pretty much every other country sees the US a now. So, status quo, we can do anything we want as our reputation can't get much worse.
the access Feds have under the Patriot and other gazillion acts passed since 9/11 ?
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/07/1546221/Google-Gives-the-US-Government-Access-To-Gmail
Despite government rules on how they monitor communications of people with in there nation the real issue have with India and other countries "listening in" on communications is the fact that that country gains a business edge by listening in on communications between citizens and other people. its not about "big brother" its about a COUNTRY having inside information on any global company. That is just dangerous. We've already seen the bleed over of government and corporations during recent bailouts. When do we become a world wide "corporate government"?
Ok that might be a little more "conspiracy theory" then I really believe but these privacy issues defiantly bring things like that to mind.
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My first thought is "This is no different than what America has been doing for decades now--but as I read it I can't believe that so many people are striking out at India over this as though they were the first to try it. If you are going to get mad at someone, why are you ignoring the people that are currently using and abusing this exact data--not only as it goes in and out of our own country but as many others as we can get our hands on as well.
You think ANY data gets in or out of Iraq that we don't record and analyze inside and out? Afghanistan? Hell, I'd be surprised if our government doesn't already have (and use) all the data going in and out of India!
Ok, I admit, I'm only thinking of one or two executives in particular right now, but it can't be too uncommon.
Then how come so many corporations engage in longer term plans? Why do they spend money on things that don't bear fruit for three years, five years, or more?
Leave off it, this corporate hate is stupid, especially from geeks who love to play with the toys corporations make. Do some people in corporations make shortsighted decisions sometimes? Absolutely. They are human after all. Guess what? You make shortsighted decisions sometimes too. That doesn't mean all companies don't care about anything longer than a few months.
Consider the problem HIPAA's security requirements might be for call centers run out of India. Any evidence or even suspicion that personal/medical information is leaked due to such "open access" requirements by the government of India, and all those call centers will move over night to China and elsewhere.
I've got a friend who works at General Dynamics who is a large defense contractor for the US government. He works on defense related stuff too, has his secret clearance. This isn't super secret "Nobody can know you are here," kind of shit, the overall project isn't classified (it is future military communication systems) just the details. As such on his public connected computer he can have all the normal apps like web browser, IM, and so on. However he can't use encryption going off their network. So it is one of those seemingly paradoxical situations where telnet is allowed, but SSH is not. They keep an eye on what their employees do. They don't want you sending out classified data.
They do not, however, monitor his home connection and encryption is fine there.
You think they never heard of S/MIME? You think they can't demand those keys too?
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From the perspective of an Indian, all I can say is that there is nothing to worry about. There are tons of other issues (it is a developing nation) to care about and which undermine stability of government on a day to day basis. What however troubles me is that this request can be a proxy one -- that is US government is pressurizing the present gov. for such practices -- not surprising after the nuclear deal and its terms. Also, the factor of scalability comes into picture. Just imagine the infrastructure required to cast a net on millions of netizens.
While it might, and I emphasize might, be useful against terrorism (depends on how the terrorists communicate and if the intelligence agencies can properly identify who to look at) it will max corruption many times worse. The fix to corruption is not more government power, it is if anything less and more government transparency. Corruption can exist because government have power without good checks on it. Despite the whining about corruption in the US and other free nations, it is far lower than corruption in dictatorships. The more open and transparent the government, the more chance there is to stop corruption.
If the government has unlimited access to private data, and already has a culture of corruption, this will just make it so much worse. Officials will start selling private data to anyone willing to pay the price. Want to know what your competitor is doing? No problem just pay me and I'll show you!
If everyone caves to India, how long is it until other governments line up eagerly saying "me too me too"
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this could actually help tech workers in the US. in a left-handed kind of way, that is.
>p>You are aware that companies do outsource to places other than India, right?
There is outsourcing to places like Canada, Eastern Europe, Latin America and Asia (minus India) that will be the benefactors of this.
For the US, India has been a preference in the past because of their understanding of English and level of education.
Spain has been outsourcing to Latin America and US data that cannot be 'off-shored' goes to Canada.
It will be interesting to see how quickly VPN pipes are redirected to some other place, after all it is the customers of the off-shoring companies that set the direction.
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Next thing they will demand is the 'terorrists' surrender themselves and make a full confession within the next 30 days. OR!
Indeed world governments are going towards fascist intervention on citizens private communications, people must start standing up NOW.
there. i said it. those bastards haven't learned that birth control is an important tool, because when you have so many billions of people, it makes your country more susceptible to natural disasters, famine, and disease outbreaks. google should tell them to shove off.
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There are a few things that are missed. The idea behind the ability to monitor and actually monitoring. The Government is looking for ways to subpoena the records if required from Skype, Google etc etc. They all have their servers in the US or some other country and would require much more legal wrangling if required to check into the records.
The US i presume already has the ability to check on all the ingress and egress points for content. The control might already exist whereas the case with India is that the systems need the same kind of facility. We use AES for most of the encryption .. Are we sure that the US NIST approved it as a standard because it has a back door or a way to crack the encryption? They might have, no wonder the Chinese, Russian, Israeli or Military establishments have their encryption schemes.
Abort, Retry, Fail ...
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remember the Google incident? maybe you think it were two, but think of it as one thing:
Google-USA was intruded
claims said it was China government hackers.
Bruce Schneier said it was through the NSA backdoor of Google.
some time later China says Google needs to commit to its censor-program
Google says it want comply - and moves to Hongkong ( PDR China )
later they skip the re-routing to Hongkong
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maybe one can interpret it like this:
China breaks into Google-US through the NSA backdoor.
it learns that Google-Beijing has also a backdoor for NSA
it does not like this
it tells Google: no way - either you close that hole or you are out!
Google needs to report to its masters at NSA: what can we do?
it tries to play a PR-campaign - and when things settle they comply - hoping to trick China again later
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_noir
Such postal censorship became common during World War I. Governments claimed that the total war which was waged required such censorship to preserve the civilian population's morale from heart-breaking news up from the front. Whatever the justification, this meant that not a single letter sent from a soldier to his family escaped previous reading by a government official, destroying any notion of privacy or of secrecy of correspondence. Post censorship was retained during the interwar period and afterwards, but without being done on such a massive scale.
this was a bit before my time, but I'll trust that this is accurate.
we are well aware of the wiretapping in the US, today; but are you aware that we did it on a VERY blatant scale back in ww2? and americans just *accepted it* !
I know it was a different time and people felt a lot more united against a common enemy, but seriously; the 'need' to open letters in ww2 did not exist; not according to logic and reason. but people fell for the 'reason' given or simply were not used to questioning authority, back then.
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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I keep seeing that request in /r/ on 4chan.
Most people respond with tits, so mabby they related?
I think he means all the physical stock of the products produced, not company shareholder stock.
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Jews are the Canaanitish children that were displaced by the Judean fighting-tribe of Israel (Book of Joshua)
when Judah of Israel destroyed and took the territory for the 10 or so tribes of Israel to reclaim.
All the popes of the Catholic Church have been pre-dominantly Jews from Poland, having no affiliation with the House and Tribe of Judah. It's only a coincidence that Jew and Judean are similar-sounding names, until you look at the root-words they are derived. Going back to the crucifixion of Yahshuah (Joshua), he was accused by JEWS and brought to a man named Pontius Pilate in whom's heritage was from Scotland where he was born under a Yew tree and burried the same house he was born in Scotland where is planted the oldest living tree/shrubbery in all of Yewrope. In the conquest of Rome, no influence was made onto Scotland. ;-).
The reason why they all claim to be Jews rather than Yews, is because their heritage has always been that of a
latinized/whitened Arab. All the unique "hooknose" and facial features of Jews is more remeniscent of Arabic,
not druids from the parentage that would have resulted from druids around Scotland. Of'course, separating
the druidism inter-twined in direct competition with the Holy Scriptures incorporated into the Abrahamic legions
is a surgery in itself. Looking back to the Sacrifice is particularly grueling, yet you will realize that the
Sacrifice began unknowingly with Abel killed by Caan although he was forgiven in bearing the burden of his brother. The other account of sacrifice was when Abram (renamed to Abraham later on) was supposedly asked by an
unassigned/appointed Angel to sacrifice the only son Ishmael to prove his faith, yet then the true assigned-angel
intervenes that Abram does not kill his only son that he choose an animal in his place; whereas a nearby Ram was
caught by it's horns in the brush by Abram. Do you see that druidism yet betwen Abram and a ram as the druidic symbold of the creator-God Ram/Rom as adopted by Romanian gypsies and perhaps Rome? This interwinding of Scriptures struggling their seed to one-another is foretold in the Book of Genesis and the serpent: Jews are
the serpent-seed.
What you see happening today is all identity theft by druids against the Anglo-Saxon origin of Israel, and
anyone that cites from the CIA only spreads quotes from a corporation that is known to have infiltrated every
foreign government to install what became known as the Fascist and Communist jewish DICTATORS that reduced
those surrounding societies into lower-class nations. There is a book coming out of Russia that is endorsed
even by Vladimir Putin whom boasts of isolating that Communism was created by Jews (non-druidic whitened Arabs)
to use the Soviet Union to hurt native Dannite people around Germany and Russia for over 70 years.
I've given you enough information to look-up, just be reminded that the heritage of MOST Europeans goes back
to India; Norwegians, Swedes, and a number of others are descended through a Lineage through Thracia/Troy and
right into Japhethites from Noah. So you should wonder why the Holy Bible is a collection of writings from
unrelated cultures, where the first Book of Genesis was a controlled environment of re-Creation from existing
matter not in any livable Order. What accounts to be a 3-headed Abram/AbraHAM religion is nothing more than
a sham trying to divide everyone into competing feuds to give reason to hate one-another through malicious
interpretations.
All law has been a matter of religion, that even those thinking to seperate their interpretations of law as
in the supposed "Separation of Church and State" opinions, they only begin the founding of their own Statist-
religion for theirselves to directly compete with Churches they are indebted to. There was a time for religion
to tame an
without prejudice
Gives new meaning to "Your calls may be monitored..."
= Grow a brain...
Pakistan (85) is a better nation to do business than India (133)
http://www.doingbusiness.org/economyrankings/
I'd like to buy homeland for our 10 million people. http://twitter.com/mahadiga
This is worse than the laws in place by the USA. What I want to know is why my banks aren't telling me my phone conversations to India can now be listened in on? I was under the impression PIPEDA forced organizations to inform Canadians of things like this?
Yep, I can see a bunch of whining hate filled American neo-Nazis spewing venom on slashdot - what's new? When will your wet dreams of outsourcing 'going away' stop? Will they ever stop? Can you guys come to terms with reality?
Realize that making fun of India and Indians is not going to help in any way w.r.t. your fond hopes that outsourcing will stop. All you're doing is helping spread hate and creating more and more people with negative feelings towards Americans. As if 60% of the world hating you guys wasn't enough!