Maybe you should educate yourself. I can't speak to this device in particular but for most of the uses out there the cost is a major factor and I did say it scales down and is free (both beer and speech). Please don't misquote me. In addition to my first link you might want to take a look at "http://www.ddj.com/articles/2000/0075/0075g/0075g.htm">this and http://www.linuxdevices.com/">this to start to understand why Linux is the perfect choice for embedded devices.
No it is not overkill for a device like this. Linux is the only thing out there that scales down well enough with enough features to run on embedded systems and that you do not have to pay for. This is one of the things that makes devices like this possible. If they had to pay for another embedded OS the profit margin on something like this would go away. And keep in mind this is embedded Linux and it has already won in that marketplace. See the link to understand why.
You are kind of right. But in the training school business this is really quite common. One place that I hear ads for on a regular basis says they will train and then place you in a job stay in the job for a year and then they will reimburse you for some amount. Many of these companies make money on both ends. I have not read anything but the ad but it looks like if you go through the training and then want to work for them they will offer the job. It makes sense given the mindset of the training schools. I would not work for them on the basis that I think said schools are evil but many would.
"$45,000/YR> Entry level position. Responsibilities include installation, administration, and updating system security. Positions available nationwide. Qualifications: 2 yrs minimum IT experience in programming, web development, system administration,hardware or equivalent experience. Must have excellent communication skills as you will be interacting with clients. If you do have Linux experience, we will ask you to take an exam to measure your skills. If most of your experience is on other platforms, we have a variety of training and certification options available. If interested please submit your resume as plain text in the body of your email message. All attachments will be deleted. Submit resume"
It does not look like you have to go through the course. Now if you do all that and then get a job setting up interviews that would suck. But if one was looking for a way to get a Linux job on the old resume it might not be too bad.
So don't compile everything in. This is why modules are a *very* good thing. IMHO modules give you the best of both worlds. As to why a monolithic kerenl see what Linux says on the matter here.
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Yup, Linus has too many of those damn middle America ideals...... Oh wait sorry. I forgot. Given that if anything OSS has a bigger market share and the fact that *many* of the best developers are in Europe the above is clearly just silly.
Did I just get trolled?
I'm going to respond to this rather than burn a mod point. In any case the issue here is not that things are blocked but rather the *way* in which things are blocked. There are two big problems with the way they are going about it. First of all we do not know what is being blocked by this software. If they did what you suggested that would be fine. Everybody would know what was being blocked and why. Fine good at least you can then argue about it. This way nobody knows what is being blocked or why and this is a *bad* thing because it gives this corp control over what people see and hear give the control to the school I have no problem. The other and bigger problem is that this corp is tracking and using for their profit the habits of those who are using this without their knowledge or permission. This is a bad thing. Once again if we did what you propose that issue would go away. The issue here is not really whether some things should be filtered or not (at least for schools) but rather who should have control over the process and who (if anyone) should be allowed to make a profit off of selling information about our children. And in closing my sig does very much apply to you.:)
By your logic if I use a editor to create a document (code, text, html) then the company that produced the software owns the document. So of course you should be able to sell any data created by use of that application. Tell me how this is different because it is a game. There is just no good legal reason why you should not be able to.
Like most ISPs it most likely depends on finding someone in the tech support dept that runs Linux for themselves. You might look at someone a bit smaller and find out if they have any techs who run it for themselves. That was how we supported it when I worked support for a ISP. You are right though that the ISP should not care what you run.
This is because everyone knows that they just want to demote Pluto because the hate Clyde and that people who hate Clyde also hate Tesla and that people who hate Tesla are evil and should die. (Note the above is a joke except the part about people who hate Tesla needing to die.) But my understanding is that many astronomers *really* like Clyde and therefore really like Pluto.
That would be right. I still think I'm a good Dad. Basically at home I have a set of very carefully audited websites that I will drop him into and let him play with while I do whatever and then will sit there and help him if he wants to look at something I have not had a chance to look at. I just think he should learn and not have the corps shoving stuff down his throat. Now of course I do order the books from the things that he brings home but mostly cause they are pretty cheap. He is geeky enough though that I think the next few years might be rough. But at least his Dad understands.
Ok let me clear that up. Yell == complain you are right raising voices would not be a good thing. I was complaining that it was wrong to promote this corporate piece of trash (Just threw in the modem comment cause I thought it was kind of funny). And yes it is a internet in that as I read in the docs they have a network on their site that then routes information to several other networks in other places. If it has routers it is more than one network talking to each other and looking like one and that is a internet.
My son is in Kindergarten. The other day his teacher sends home a CD from HP for some "kidsnet" thing they have. Basically if you read the docs it dials you into a private network with content from people who have paid HP to put their content on this network. It is a internet. I don't even have a modem (I love my DSL). I called the school and yelled at the teacher and the principal. Am I a good dad or what?
The trademark *is* real. The lawsuit is not. I could tell that much from reading the bit on the front page of/. The key to the whole joke is that the trademark is real and while they don't work at Despair there are people out there who if they had thought of it would do the lawsuit. In fact I would not be surprised to see a similar but real thing in the near future.
You may be right about having to be logged in.But if you could tell me how to get a Windows box (any flavor) installed without the GUI or to boot to a console from which I can do almost anything I want and then only start the GUI when I want it please let me know. Why should my disk space have to be used for a ever growing swap file when most other OSes happily use a partition that the usage of grows and shrinks as needed. You know a why to roll your own kernel under Windows? I would really like to have this information. Granted I can not install sound drivers but the support for it in the kernel is still there (sound might be a bad example) but the point is I can not configure my own kernel. I'll grant that sometimes support for long file names work but I can not everytime cd to a directory with lonf filenames without resorting to the 8+3 hack. I know many people who have the same issue. Does not work right even with a hosts file, try it.
Did they not mention UWIN in the story. Would this not make a question about UWIN (along with my reasons for asking the question) ontopic. Had I said insulted David or not phrased it in such a way that made it clear (at least I thought so)that it is a honest question based on my observations you would be right. Otherwise I just don't see it.
Would someone please tell me why the above is flamebait? I really do not understand why something like this would be good. I do not think I threw out a insult (If I did I am most sorry). I just really do not understand and would like to know more from someone who has clearly put alot of thought into it. Why is that flamebait?
I'm going to address your concerns in backwards order. Win 9x's GUI many people kind of halfway know it it still sucks. I run Gnome + E on my Linux box (Debian Testing) I can get to almost any application that I have from anywhere on my desktop by clicking on of my three mouse buttons. This as opposed to Windows where I have to go to the start button and browse through a menu or go to My Computer. May not seem like much but when you really use your machine those few seconds over the course of a day really add up. Everytime I have to use a Windows box I would kill for a virtual desktop. In short the Windows GUI sucks just more people know it. Design and implementation problems with W2K and NT. First of all there is the fact that in order for any services to be running the GUI has to be up and you have to be logged in as a user of some sort. If you don't understand why this is a problem maybe you should spend some time thinking about it in terms of resources and security at the console. Number two of a very long list. In NT (not sure about W2K here) the swap file (partition if you have it on one) can only grow it can not shrink. Problem? I think so. This next one is a bit unfair but still a problem with the implementation. It all still runs the same god damned kernel. If I don't need something (sound comes to mind) I can't take it out. Also the directory structure and the naming scheme. Support for long names is still just a hack on top of a basic 8+3 naming rule. If you have not had this fact cause you problems or at least waste your time you have not really used Windows. Also what the hell is the deal with drive letters. Is it not easier to just have everything in one tree. And as far as a W2K implementation problem try this. Put a earlier Windows box, Unix, Linux, *BSD, whatever on your network. Give it a static IP address. Boot it and pull out the network cable. When it gets back up ping the hostname. It still knows the IP address that you wanted it to have. Try the same thing with a W2K box. It does not know it's static IP anymore. This causes problems with many normally networked apps in a standalone situation. This is just a short and incomplete list of problems.
I think you meant Linux shell. Most other Unices come with either the csh or the sh. And of course all of IBM's stuff has the ksh by default. Although the first thing I do to a new SGI or Sun box is put bash on it, it is for the most part not there by default. Although I'm very interested in the answer to your question you might in the meantime take a look at Running Linux which has a very good comparision. Of course straight from the man who wrote the shell should be very interesting.
This is a honest quetions. But why port Unix applications to Windows? The underlaying OS is still (IMO) *very* poorly designed and implemented so what would really be the point of running a Unix application in this environment. I would think it would make more sense to develop killer apps that will make people want to learn Unix rather than giving Microsoft the abillity to say that their platform can also run that same application. So with all due respect, keep in mind I do think you most likely know more about this then I do, what is the point?
I have a nephew now who has a set of MindStorms and the O'Reilly book (His Dad gave him the MindStorms I gave him the book). This kid is going to rock the world. It is still possible you just have to choose wisely.
I was in Korea. My comment about cost of living assumes you want to get housing that you would consider good here in the States. Yes you could live for less if you lived in a one room apartment and liked to go to the outhouse. But as soon as you start looking at something like American apartments it becomes big money. Also the $150 number was assumed to be before taxes. And I am willing to admit I'm kind of bitter since when I was there I saw my savings go from *very* good to almost nothing almost overnight. So that might be a bit high.
Yup in Latin America $50 a hour is more than *many* people make in a month so would be quite good if you wanted to live there. OTOH having lived in Asia I would not go there for less then ~$150 a hour in US currency. (Yes I got hosed when the bottom dropped out don't ask painful to think about) And I liked living in Asia that was just a cost of living thing.
Thank you very much. I have not seen that explained before sorry. I do tend to think of/. as being more of a advocacy site and not a real objective news site. BTW I *like* it that way that was NOT a insult from me. I do not think that it makes/. corrupt as a news site (as opposed to a opinion site)I applaud you all for trying to do the right thing. I will be looking at the dmoz stuff when I get home.:) That one was worth a story all by itself and I do feel your pain. Thanks for taking the time to clear that up and thank you for putting out a fine product (most of the time:)).
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Maybe you should educate yourself. I can't speak to this device in particular but for most of the uses out there the cost is a major factor and I did say it scales down and is free (both beer and speech). Please don't misquote me. In addition to my first link you might want to take a look at "http://www.ddj.com/articles/2000/0075/0075g/0075g .htm">this and http://www.linuxdevices.com/">this to start to understand why Linux is the perfect choice for embedded devices.
No it is not overkill for a device like this. Linux is the only thing out there that scales down well enough with enough features to run on embedded systems and that you do not have to pay for. This is one of the things that makes devices like this possible. If they had to pay for another embedded OS the profit margin on something like this would go away. And keep in mind this is embedded Linux and it has already won in that marketplace. See the link to understand why.
You are kind of right. But in the training school business this is really quite common. One place that I hear ads for on a regular basis says they will train and then place you in a job stay in the job for a year and then they will reimburse you for some amount. Many of these companies make money on both ends. I have not read anything but the ad but it looks like if you go through the training and then want to work for them they will offer the job. It makes sense given the mindset of the training schools. I would not work for them on the basis that I think said schools are evil but many would.
"$45,000/YR> Entry level position. Responsibilities include installation, administration, and updating system security. Positions available nationwide. Qualifications: 2 yrs minimum IT experience in programming, web development, system administration,hardware or equivalent experience. Must have excellent communication skills as you will be interacting with clients. If you do have Linux experience, we will ask you to take an exam to measure your skills. If most of your experience is on other platforms, we have a variety of training and certification options available. If interested please submit your resume as plain text in the body of your email message. All attachments will be deleted. Submit resume" It does not look like you have to go through the course. Now if you do all that and then get a job setting up interviews that would suck. But if one was looking for a way to get a Linux job on the old resume it might not be too bad.
So don't compile everything in. This is why modules are a *very* good thing. IMHO modules give you the best of both worlds. As to why a monolithic kerenl see what Linux says on the matter here.
Yup, Linus has too many of those damn middle America ideals...... Oh wait sorry. I forgot. Given that if anything OSS has a bigger market share and the fact that *many* of the best developers are in Europe the above is clearly just silly.
Did I just get trolled?
I'm going to respond to this rather than burn a mod point. In any case the issue here is not that things are blocked but rather the *way* in which things are blocked. There are two big problems with the way they are going about it. First of all we do not know what is being blocked by this software. If they did what you suggested that would be fine. Everybody would know what was being blocked and why. Fine good at least you can then argue about it. This way nobody knows what is being blocked or why and this is a *bad* thing because it gives this corp control over what people see and hear give the control to the school I have no problem. The other and bigger problem is that this corp is tracking and using for their profit the habits of those who are using this without their knowledge or permission. This is a bad thing. Once again if we did what you propose that issue would go away. The issue here is not really whether some things should be filtered or not (at least for schools) but rather who should have control over the process and who (if anyone) should be allowed to make a profit off of selling information about our children. And in closing my sig does very much apply to you. :)
By your logic if I use a editor to create a document (code, text, html) then the company that produced the software owns the document. So of course you should be able to sell any data created by use of that application. Tell me how this is different because it is a game. There is just no good legal reason why you should not be able to.
Like most ISPs it most likely depends on finding someone in the tech support dept that runs Linux for themselves. You might look at someone a bit smaller and find out if they have any techs who run it for themselves. That was how we supported it when I worked support for a ISP. You are right though that the ISP should not care what you run.
etoy has a link to havenco on their homepage. I could not find any other info.
This is because everyone knows that they just want to demote Pluto because the hate Clyde and that people who hate Clyde also hate Tesla and that people who hate Tesla are evil and should die. (Note the above is a joke except the part about people who hate Tesla needing to die.) But my understanding is that many astronomers *really* like Clyde and therefore really like Pluto.
That would be right. I still think I'm a good Dad. Basically at home I have a set of very carefully audited websites that I will drop him into and let him play with while I do whatever and then will sit there and help him if he wants to look at something I have not had a chance to look at. I just think he should learn and not have the corps shoving stuff down his throat. Now of course I do order the books from the things that he brings home but mostly cause they are pretty cheap. He is geeky enough though that I think the next few years might be rough. But at least his Dad understands.
Ok let me clear that up. Yell == complain you are right raising voices would not be a good thing. I was complaining that it was wrong to promote this corporate piece of trash (Just threw in the modem comment cause I thought it was kind of funny). And yes it is a internet in that as I read in the docs they have a network on their site that then routes information to several other networks in other places. If it has routers it is more than one network talking to each other and looking like one and that is a internet.
My son is in Kindergarten. The other day his teacher sends home a CD from HP for some "kidsnet" thing they have. Basically if you read the docs it dials you into a private network with content from people who have paid HP to put their content on this network. It is a internet. I don't even have a modem (I love my DSL). I called the school and yelled at the teacher and the principal. Am I a good dad or what?
The trademark *is* real. The lawsuit is not. I could tell that much from reading the bit on the front page of /. The key to the whole joke is that the trademark is real and while they don't work at Despair there are people out there who if they had thought of it would do the lawsuit. In fact I would not be surprised to see a similar but real thing in the near future.
You may be right about having to be logged in.But if you could tell me how to get a Windows box (any flavor) installed without the GUI or to boot to a console from which I can do almost anything I want and then only start the GUI when I want it please let me know. Why should my disk space have to be used for a ever growing swap file when most other OSes happily use a partition that the usage of grows and shrinks as needed. You know a why to roll your own kernel under Windows? I would really like to have this information. Granted I can not install sound drivers but the support for it in the kernel is still there (sound might be a bad example) but the point is I can not configure my own kernel. I'll grant that sometimes support for long file names work but I can not everytime cd to a directory with lonf filenames without resorting to the 8+3 hack. I know many people who have the same issue. Does not work right even with a hosts file, try it.
Did they not mention UWIN in the story. Would this not make a question about UWIN (along with my reasons for asking the question) ontopic. Had I said insulted David or not phrased it in such a way that made it clear (at least I thought so)that it is a honest question based on my observations you would be right. Otherwise I just don't see it.
Would someone please tell me why the above is flamebait? I really do not understand why something like this would be good. I do not think I threw out a insult (If I did I am most sorry). I just really do not understand and would like to know more from someone who has clearly put alot of thought into it. Why is that flamebait?
I'm going to address your concerns in backwards order. Win 9x's GUI many people kind of halfway know it it still sucks. I run Gnome + E on my Linux box (Debian Testing) I can get to almost any application that I have from anywhere on my desktop by clicking on of my three mouse buttons. This as opposed to Windows where I have to go to the start button and browse through a menu or go to My Computer. May not seem like much but when you really use your machine those few seconds over the course of a day really add up. Everytime I have to use a Windows box I would kill for a virtual desktop. In short the Windows GUI sucks just more people know it. Design and implementation problems with W2K and NT. First of all there is the fact that in order for any services to be running the GUI has to be up and you have to be logged in as a user of some sort. If you don't understand why this is a problem maybe you should spend some time thinking about it in terms of resources and security at the console. Number two of a very long list. In NT (not sure about W2K here) the swap file (partition if you have it on one) can only grow it can not shrink. Problem? I think so. This next one is a bit unfair but still a problem with the implementation. It all still runs the same god damned kernel. If I don't need something (sound comes to mind) I can't take it out. Also the directory structure and the naming scheme. Support for long names is still just a hack on top of a basic 8+3 naming rule. If you have not had this fact cause you problems or at least waste your time you have not really used Windows. Also what the hell is the deal with drive letters. Is it not easier to just have everything in one tree. And as far as a W2K implementation problem try this. Put a earlier Windows box, Unix, Linux, *BSD, whatever on your network. Give it a static IP address. Boot it and pull out the network cable. When it gets back up ping the hostname. It still knows the IP address that you wanted it to have. Try the same thing with a W2K box. It does not know it's static IP anymore. This causes problems with many normally networked apps in a standalone situation. This is just a short and incomplete list of problems.
I think you meant Linux shell. Most other Unices come with either the csh or the sh. And of course all of IBM's stuff has the ksh by default. Although the first thing I do to a new SGI or Sun box is put bash on it, it is for the most part not there by default. Although I'm very interested in the answer to your question you might in the meantime take a look at Running Linux which has a very good comparision. Of course straight from the man who wrote the shell should be very interesting.
This is a honest quetions. But why port Unix applications to Windows? The underlaying OS is still (IMO) *very* poorly designed and implemented so what would really be the point of running a Unix application in this environment. I would think it would make more sense to develop killer apps that will make people want to learn Unix rather than giving Microsoft the abillity to say that their platform can also run that same application. So with all due respect, keep in mind I do think you most likely know more about this then I do, what is the point?
I have a nephew now who has a set of MindStorms and the O'Reilly book (His Dad gave him the MindStorms I gave him the book). This kid is going to rock the world. It is still possible you just have to choose wisely.
I was in Korea. My comment about cost of living assumes you want to get housing that you would consider good here in the States. Yes you could live for less if you lived in a one room apartment and liked to go to the outhouse. But as soon as you start looking at something like American apartments it becomes big money. Also the $150 number was assumed to be before taxes. And I am willing to admit I'm kind of bitter since when I was there I saw my savings go from *very* good to almost nothing almost overnight. So that might be a bit high.
Yup in Latin America $50 a hour is more than *many* people make in a month so would be quite good if you wanted to live there. OTOH having lived in Asia I would not go there for less then ~$150 a hour in US currency. (Yes I got hosed when the bottom dropped out don't ask painful to think about) And I liked living in Asia that was just a cost of living thing.
Thank you very much. I have not seen that explained before sorry. I do tend to think of /. as being more of a advocacy site and not a real objective news site. BTW I *like* it that way that was NOT a insult from me. I do not think that it makes /. corrupt as a news site (as opposed to a opinion site)I applaud you all for trying to do the right thing. I will be looking at the dmoz stuff when I get home. :) That one was worth a story all by itself and I do feel your pain. Thanks for taking the time to clear that up and thank you for putting out a fine product (most of the time :)).