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The Institute for Backup Trauma

fief writes "John Cleese explains why tape based backup solutions will drive a manager insane in a viral marketing bit for Live Vault. (flash required) Produced by the Captains of Industry. Links provided via AdRants" Barely an ad, mostly just hilarious. Also contains Michael Dorn. Use as directed.

211 comments

  1. Mentioned in the LangaList by Ciaran_H · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw this when it was mentioned on the LangaList a few weeks ago. Very funny, in my opinion, and it's good to see that this company doesn't take itself *too* seriously.

    It's probably safe to say I'll remember them, so from a marketing point of view it would be a success.

    1. Re:Mentioned in the LangaList by daviddennis · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm guessing that I'll be more likely to remember the Institute for Backup Trauma than FileVault, though. Hopefully they will make sure the Institute's name typed into Google will find them.

      D

    2. Re:Mentioned in the LangaList by Ciaran_H · · Score: 1, Funny

      You just proved your own point - it's LiveVault, not FileVault. ;-)

      I do get what you mean though.

    3. Re:Mentioned in the LangaList by DenDave · · Score: 0

      *it manager*

      Who are you?

      *john cleese*

      I am Arthur King of the Backups!

      *it manager*

      well I didn't vote for you..

      *travan sales man*

      oi! come back'ere! It's just a flesh wound!

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  2. Missing Something.. by lw54 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If only they had hired Ron Jeremy

    1. Re:Missing Something.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only they had hired Ron Jeremy

      You should've pressed the third button.

    2. Re:Missing Something.. by nazsco · · Score: 1

      fief writes "Ron Jeremy explains why windows based firewall solutions will drive a manager insane in a viral marketing bit. (flash required)"

  3. And now for something completely crappy by SYFer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mod this video -1 unfunny. Even though it is usually a pleasure to see Cleese, even he can't breath life into this clinker. The only positive thing I can say is that it had nice production values. I want my seven minutes back. That earlier story about electrically-assisted microbial fuel cells that can be used to produce hydrogen from organic material was a knee-slapper by comparison.

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    1. Re:And now for something completely crappy by SYFer · · Score: 1

      You're right about "breathe," but wrong about "clinker."

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      "...all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness..." yada yada
    2. Re:And now for something completely crappy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're being a bit harsh. It wasn't laugh-out-loud funny, but it was amusing. The only point I take issue with is that they really are not clear about what the alternative is supposed to be. They just keep waxing on and on and on about how horrible tapes are. I kept waiting for them to say something about network storage or some new optical media. It's almost like they're afraid they'll make fun of the solution as well.

      P.S. Very Important! Do not click the third button! It will cause a blue screen of DEATH!

    3. Re:And now for something completely crappy by SYFer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What can I say? I'm a harsher judge of marketing pieces generally. Lines like the boss saying he'd "fire your family... and your ancestors" just seemed like flat writing to me. If you're gonna have a major comedic god like John Cleese in the mix, you should make sure the writing is up to it. I clicked in and absorbed the marketing message, so I've upheld my end and that's my opinion. Those who disagree can take solace in the fact that my harsh opinion has been modded safely out of view as a "troll."

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    4. Re:And now for something completely crappy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those who disagree can take solace in the fact that my harsh opinion has been modded safely out of view as a "troll."

      Well that's rather rude. Mods, please correct the great-grandparent's modding. "Troll" is only appropriate when someone is actually trolling. Same with "flamebait". Overrated may be used to bounce someone back to +1 if they yell too much, but it should never be used to push them below that. And if you just disagree with the poster, then you should just leave it alone.

      Thank you. :-)

    5. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do realize that the whole, "Fire your ancestors" thing was a gag based on Michael Dorn, aka Worf, delivering the line, doncha?

      It wasn't flat writing, you just didn't get the joke.

    6. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I didn't get that one, but I do recall the reference now that you mention it and while it may elevate that particular gag a tad, the piece still doesn't work for me as a whole. And I still think the writing was flat.

    7. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I still think you're wrong.

      A pinata that releases candy and TAPE?

      Oblique references to the Hair Club for Men?

      The list goes on and on.

      It was good writing, it just doesn't meet your expectations.

    8. Re:And now for something completely crappy by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Lines like the boss saying he'd "fire your family... and your ancestors" just seemed like flat writing to me."

      Hmm.. I'm a little split on that one. On the one hand, it is a little flat, on the other hand, I think a lot of us have had bosses like that.

      It's an advertisement first, comedy second. I think they should have had a little more fun with the "what's wrong with tape?" aspect of it. Could have nailed both points with that one me thinks. I'm sure most people who have worked with tape backups have a story about how the process failed. "I need Thursday's backup, not last weeks!"
      Additionally, they could have spent a little more time explaining why disc backups were preferred. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few reasons.

      In short, I agree that it could easily have been better, but on the other hand I found it mildly entertaining. This really did feel like it was aimed at PHBs. That's a plus in my book. Now if they'd just make a vid like this to promote getting off of IE, my job'd be a lot easier.

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      "Derp de derp."
    9. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh give me a break.

      It is well-known that as soon as you whine about being modded down (Oh, the suffering), you will instead be pushed up to a +5 Insightful or similar... as if by "knowing" you are unpopular makes your opinion valuable.

      Geez. If you have a point to make, make it. Don't play the "poor li'l ole me" bitch card. Stop being a pussy.

    10. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want my seven minutes back.

      Two hours on a dialup connection. Very...painful...to...watch.

    11. Re:And now for something completely crappy by rookworm · · Score: 1
      I mod this video -1 unfunny. Even though it is usually a pleasure to see Cleese, even he can't breath life into this clinker. The only positive thing I can say is that it had nice production values. I want my seven minutes back. That earlier story about electrically-assisted microbial fuel cells that can be used to produce hydrogen from organic material was a knee-slapper by comparison.

      Total agreement here. This ad is a cynical attempt to target IT geeks, under the assumption they all like Python (The comedy troupe, that is...), by rehashing old material (cf. fishes, animated collage, etc.). Even the parody of Clockwork Orange has been done to death before. I am dissappointed Cleese aGREED to this.

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    12. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today is a good day to backup!

    13. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Besides which, it was definitely an advertisement. several competitors are slammed here. I think Cleese is a great talent, but Come On. This is CA he's advertising here. One of the ancient evils of the computer world.

      And clue to the editor that posted this: "viral marketing" is intended to not be obvious. You're feeding the marketers. Please stop.

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      "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
    14. Re:And now for something completely crappy by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      So I guess from watching this that tape backups do suck, if you don't store the backups in a secure location (if you can't afford Iron Mountain you can get a 23 cubic foot fire resistant safe from Costco for about $1,000.00) and if you don't occasionally verify that your backups work by restoring a sample filesystem and comparing the checksums of the files and if you are basically a fucking idiot. My biggest problem with tape backups is forgetting to load new media into the library.

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    15. Re:And now for something completely crappy by zurmikopa · · Score: 1

      Great... now I have visions of platters going at each other with Batleths...

    16. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I R Tape Monkey?

    17. Re:And now for something completely crappy by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny
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    18. Re:And now for something completely crappy by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because we all know what a greedy sellout John Cleese is.

      Hint: You're not going to make any friends that way.

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    19. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Goaway · · Score: 1

      > It's an advertisement first, comedy second.

      If it's comedy second, it's not comedy in the first place. Humour with an agenda is not humour.

    20. Re:And now for something completely crappy by greenhide · · Score: 1

      On the one hand, I disagree; on the other hand, DUH.

      Basically, Parent poster was saying that comedy *was* secondary. It's not a comedy, really, any more than a horror movie with a few pop culture references in it is "comedy", because the comedy is secondary. Everyone knows it's not a "comedy", it's an ad. And a fairly effective one two. Although the long-term purpose of the ad is to make you choose their company, in the short term it's just to get you to think about disk backup instead of tape backup.

      Move forward a month or two. The IT Manager (who sees and enjoys the film) has the idea "tape backup bad" floating in his head for a month and goes to see his boss. "I think we should move away from tape backup." "Okay," says the boss. "Research alternatives."

      Now, the guy doesn't remember the name LiveVault. But when he starts doing research, the name comes up. It clicks some kind of memory in his mind -- maybe he actually remembers that it was the company in that John Cleese ad; maybe he just sees the logo and for reasons unknown to him suddenly feels happy, amused, and, for some reason, has a flashback to being a dork in middle school playing a nice game of D&D with his buddies and listening to TMBG.

      Anyway, all humor has an agenda. Some of the greatest, funniest pieces are designed not only to make you laugh (agenda 1; "comedy for comedy's sake), but also to make you think about what might be a serious (or slightly boring) subject in a new way (agenda 2: "comedy as a gateway to exposition"--think satire). Anyone who's seen La Vita e' Bella (Life is Beautiful) can affirm that not all movies that classify as "comedy" are about light subjects.

      I thought that this was a nice little film. It wasn't the world's funniest movie but it was more enjoyable than a standard white paper or run of the mill "Why we're better" powerpointlike flash presentation. For those of you who want hard facts on why one form of backup is better than the other, I'm sure that LiveVault has a page or two (and perhaps even a presentation or two) right up your alley. But this ad is geared towards simply getting people interested enough in the subject to explore it further, and I think it's succesful in this.

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    21. Re:And now for something completely crappy by rookworm · · Score: 1

      Did I say the word "sellout"? Everyone needs to eat. I am a great admirer of his work, but I'm just saying this isn't his best

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    22. Re:And now for something completely crappy by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Even though it is usually a pleasure to see Cleese, even he can't breath life into this clinker. The only positive thing I can say is that it had nice production values. I want my seven minutes back.

      I dunno, it was a nice way to pass time while WoW finished patching.

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  4. One problem... by nxtr · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it's a credible institution, where's the machine that goes 'bing'?

    1. Re:One problem... by IANAL(BIAILS) · · Score: 1
      If it's a credible institution, where's the machine that goes 'bing'?
      Would it tell you that your data is _still alive_?
    2. Re:One problem... by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      No, it would tell you if a baby is about to come out of the Data's tummy.

    3. Re:One problem... by aussiedood · · Score: 1

      They're highly credible, they leased their most expensive machine back to the company they bought it from.

    4. Re:One problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right next to the meatpowder dispenser.

  5. Moderation by lordsilence · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Moderation +4
    70% Funny
    20% Overrated
    10% Slashvertisment

    1. Re:Moderation by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's interesting, who gives a flying fuck?

      "Oh, no, this wasn't reported by a dis-interested 3rd party. I'm gonna bitch about it."

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      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:Moderation by bergeron76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot: .28 % Blood Alcohol Level of "Zonk" at the time of posting this article.

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    3. Re:Moderation by XorNand · · Score: 1

      I do.

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    4. Re:Moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what is interesting?

    5. Re:Moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a member of the Mile-High club, I give a flying fuck.

    6. Re:Moderation by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      you're not drunk enough 'till it's an Alcohol Blood Level

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    7. Re:Moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Jerking off in an airplane bathroom doesn't make you a member of the Mile-High club.

    8. Re:Moderation by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Is that above or below "Boris Yeltzin"?

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    9. Re:Moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bathroom? Who said anything about bathrooms?

  6. meh by Danimoth · · Score: 1, Funny

    It was moderatly ammusing, I enjoyed the part where their backups failed because the guy who had them drove off of a cliff, we all know that is a problem with a tape backup.

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    1. Re:meh by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 5, Funny

      I enjoyed the part where their backups failed because the guy who had them drove off of a cliff, we all know that is a problem with a tape backup.

      Only in our American cars, which we know (from Hollywood) have a tendency to blow up without fail in a massive fireball as soon as they leave the road.

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      Indy Media Watch-Proctologist of the Internet

    2. Re:meh by tomme_gun · · Score: 1

      I believe that's what happened to Ameritrade's backup tape that went missing recently...

      Courier company my foot.

  7. Institute for /. server trauma... by saskboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have an idea for his next sketch, and it involves a smoking server, that features a flash animation, and less than NASA-like bandwidth available to it...

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    1. Re:Institute for /. server trauma... by nstrom · · Score: 4, Informative

      The nyud.net mirror seems to be holding up for me at least.

    2. Re:Institute for /. server trauma... by RGTAsheron · · Score: 0

      It doesn't have the full thing backed up. Not for me at least.

    3. Re:Institute for /. server trauma... by waferhead · · Score: 1

      ...and another one bites the dust...

  8. On broadband connection, still too big by thephotoman · · Score: 1

    Y'know, this file is taking forever to load. I only requested the dial-up edition, despite having a T1 line running in here. However, I'm still waiting for it to load about 10 minutes later.

    I begin to wonder about the minds that brought us this piece.

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    1. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by KingEomer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the problem lays more with the server than with your connection. The speed at which you download is limited to the slowest component of the network; if the server has been /.ed, regardless of your connection speed, you will download slowly.

      Mind you, you are probably right about the file being too big. If it weren't that big, the server might not have been overwhelmed.

    2. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      The latter point was really the one I was trying to make.

      Damn. Slashdotting an advertisment. It's kinda funny, but I don't think it'd work against Fastclick.

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    3. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Y'know, this file is taking forever to load. I only requested the dial-up edition, despite having a T1 line running in here."

      I hear ya. My spedometer goes all the way up to 140 mph. I've never gotten it near that high, though.

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      "Derp de derp."
    4. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Most people with T1's know this.

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    5. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by shanen · · Score: 1
      I think the site is /.ed right now. Not much you can do since they insist on streaming video distribution. Good thing they aren't trying to advertise network distribution services!

      This is a job for BitTorrent Man!

      Seriously, this is a case where sharing the network resources of the people who want to see the file makes extremely good sense. And after all, the entire purpose of advertising is to get as many people to see it as possible. Copyright extremism ought not to be the issue here.

      Anyway, I don't have the patience now. I'll try again in 12 hours or so. Is that long enough for the /. effect to wear off? I should think so.

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    6. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      Alas, BitTorrent man isn't able to come to my rescue. University firewall and all that jazz.

      However, I did see the ad via a mirror. Thank you, cashing services!

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      Haec merda tauri est. Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
    7. Re:On broadband connection, still too big by luvirini · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      well.. my cars speedometer goes to 250kph (hmm.. about 155mph for Americans) and yes.. it has been reached..

  9. DDoS by Tharkban · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Who said Denial of Service attacks are caused by malicious or malfunctioning computers?

    just post it on /.

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  10. John Cleese in IT? by datafr0g · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's gotta involve spam.... spam... spam, spam, spam

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  11. It's Decent by Adrilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    But it'll never be as good as getting perpendicular

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    "Plans are for fools! Oglethorpe, the plutonian (Aqua Teen Hunger Force)
    1. Re:It's Decent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or these guys with their phone.

  12. Insanity by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 4, Funny

    John Cleese explains why tape based backup solutions will drive a manager insane

    In the next episode, he explains why Slashdotted marketing solutions will drive a network manager to suicide.

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    Indy Media Watch-Proctologist of the Internet

    1. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, the page won't even load now...tapes are the least of their worries.

  13. That's my uncle's company! (Captains of Industry) by PowerMacG4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No joke. His previous company was called Fred and Ted Entertainment, which made similar videos that can be found at http://www.fredandted.com

    Their whole skit about "Ambulatory Mortosis" is one of their funniest.
    http://www.fredandted.com/Mortosis/index.html

    Congrats, Fred. You made Slashdot's front page. Now let's see if your servers can take the slashdotting...

  14. *sigh* by sn0wflake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why's it streaming video *sigh*? I guess it's because of advertising and stuff but streaming video sucks! Can't stream properly when slashdottet, can't email to friends, can't save to harddisk. For all you (other) webmonkeys, here's a word of advice; make a non-streamable version so more people will enjoy this (perhaps) fine video.

    Your sincerely
    An unsatisfied 4 MB Internet user.

    1. Re:*sigh* by erikharrison · · Score: 4, Informative

      ACtually, it doesn't appear to be a stream at all. Saving the FLV should give you the entire video. The video is embedded in a set of flash controls for said video, and like any other flash movie you've seen it can start before the download is complete, and moniter it's own download status.

      FLV is essentially MPEG-4 in a flash container, and the flash controls offer no signifigant overhead, so offering a "downloadable" version wouldn't even give you any real difference in terms of download size.

    2. Re:*sigh* by bani · · Score: 1

      If only it were possible to extract the video from the SWF, because of the horrible audio-video sync issues with linux swf player...

  15. Recommendations for online backup solutions? by PoochieReds · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I've been sort of looking for a place to host online backups for some of my home machines. Anyone have recommendations of a cheap place that does this sort of thing? Preferably a place that can handle rsync...

    1. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by vwjeff · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although not commercial, here is what I do.

      I live in Wisconsin and a friend of mine lives in Nevada. He has a broadband connection and so do I. My home server has 2x200 GB hard drives mirrored. His server also has 2x200 GB hard drives mirrored. I can use half the space for my data on both servers and he can use the other half. Every other day at 3am, my server rsyncs over ssh to his. The same occurs every other day when his rsyncs with my server.

      We do a full tape backup every week on Saturday and incremental backups every day. I take the full backups to my safe deposit box at the bank.

      I guess what I am saying is that if any of your friends or family have a broadband connection, ask if you can use it for backup. Offer them storage space for backup or money to house a Linux box you can use as offsite backup.

      If your data is extremely important, make sure you encrypt it. One time my friend thought he dropped a tape in a parking lot. I was conserned for weeks until he found the tape under the seat of his car. I learned my lesson and now encrypt everything that is important to me.

    2. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      If your data is extremely important, make sure you encrypt it. One time my friend thought he dropped a tape in a parking lot. I was conserned for weeks until he found the tape under the seat of his car. I learned my lesson and now encrypt everything that is important to me.

      How is encryption going to keep a tape from melting?

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    3. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by TelJanin · · Score: 1

      It won't. It will keep random passers by from reading your tax returns.

    4. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the devil is this offtopic? It's about backups, for Zod's sake.

    5. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by Cervantes · · Score: 1, Insightful

      First some numbers, then a question:

      Figure 60% standard disk usage for the both of you, x 15 syncs per month, both ways, not counting overhead... dude, where did you find an ISP that doesn't mind 1.8TB of upload/download per month?

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    6. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by chrisl456 · · Score: 1

      He said he's using rsync.

      So, he's basically only transferring the CHANGES, not the whole works. I basically do this for 2 rented servers at work. It rsync's maybe 30-40 gigs of data over a 3Mb cable line in about 2-3 hours. Works great.

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    7. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by darkwhite · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of rsync???

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    8. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by DJCF · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, I'm trying to do an identical thing with similar hardware (I have the RAID-1 2x250 GB array on Fedora). The problem is this: My mate in the States (I'm here in the UK) is still using Windows. We're trying rsync-over-ssh (for Windows-to-Linux) and something else, maybe rsync-over-ftp for Linux-to-Windows.

      I really don't think it'll work...

      Daniel

    9. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by vwjeff · · Score: 1

      I use rsync which does incremental syncs. Right now I'm only using about 40 GB out of the 100. My friend is using less at only 25 GB. Every other day I transfer/receive approx. 100 MB of data. My monthly bandwidth for send/receive comes out to be around 1.5-2 GB. I'm on a standard cable connection.

    10. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by vwjeff · · Score: 1

      How is encryption going to keep a tape from melting? I should have mentioned that the tape was damaged but each of us keep weekly tape backups. His set was damaged but my set was in my safe deposit box. I wasn't conserned if the tape had been damaged. Before he found the tape I hoped that the tape was damaged wherever it may have been. I was conserned about someone else getting their hands on my data.

    11. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by vwjeff · · Score: 1

      You can configure a Windows box to be an rsync server using cygwin however in my experience it is not very reliable. More detail can be found here

    12. Re:Recommendations for online backup solutions? by Cervantes · · Score: 1

      I bow to your geekiness. I missed the "r" in your "rsync", and given that I spend my day dealing with 50gb of data that's always changing day to day, didn't think to go back and look for the errant "r". :)
      Cheers,
      Cerv

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  16. Option 3... by wmspringer · · Score: 1

    So how many people clicked the third button?

    BTW I had no trouble loading it. (Although I just got "loading...loading" when I clicked the 3rd button, is there anything else there?)

    1. Re:Option 3... by fief · · Score: 1

      patience my friend. It takes patience.

  17. Re:That's my uncle's company! (Captains of Industr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you had any doubt after noting 'aspx' in that url?

  18. The real trauma. . . by Bastian · · Score: 4, Funny

    . . . is when I open a website in a new tab, and the site resizes my whole FireFox window.

    All for a $@#% Flash site, too.

    At least it doesn't use frames, I guess.

    1. Re:The real trauma. . . by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tools-->Options-->Go to the "Advanced" button next to where it says "Enable Javascript"-->Deselect "Move or resize existing windows".

      --
      Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
    2. Re:The real trauma. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, just disable JS entirely. Kick that shit out of your browser. I have.

    3. Re:The real trauma. . . by Inda · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I did the same but with my colour television. Turned the colour right down so everything is in black and white. Brilliant. Watching the snooker, just as it was in the old days, is delightful.

      --
      This post contains benzene, nitrosamines, formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide.
    4. Re:The real trauma. . . by runderwo · · Score: 1

      And then file a bug at the Mozilla site, because Javascript resizing in a browser window with more than one tab currently open is clearly undesirable behavior.

  19. For your convenience by Kev+Vance · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:For your convenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, can anyone tell me how to play this? I use Ubuntu Linux. Nothing seems to recognize it.

    2. Re:For your convenience by Kev+Vance · · Score: 3, Informative

      The latest version of MPlayer (1.0pre7) can play Flash videos. 1.0pre7 is pretty recent so depending on how quick Ubuntu is, there may be a binary package available now.

      --
      F0 07 C7 C8
  20. Useful for educating PHBs, perhaps ... by rewinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I like about this is its appeal to non-technical staff, especially clueless decisionmakers who feel secure in their data because someone sold them a backup system ("Don't worry, it's fully automatic!")

    Yes, the video is an advertizement for a firm selling a product, but who else would be motivated to create something that is both educational and funny enough to let issues be discussed in a non-threatening way?

    No-one, especially PHBs, wants to admit that all the money they spent on a backup system can easily be brought to naught, so you have to ease them into the concept. This might help.

  21. old by blackomegax · · Score: 0, Troll

    this video is old..
    i saw it sometime last year.

    funny though.

    1. Re:old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something being old has never stopped Slashdot from posting it as new -- they have to have something to put up to justify rejecting other (more meaningful and current) stories. I haven't been on Slashdot in months, then I come back and find this old thing as "news." Pathetic, yet a very apt reminder of why I walked away from Slashdot before.

  22. How the hell did they get by iammaxus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    John Cleese to do this video? I know the answer, money, but this is definitley strange. When was the last time you saw a celebrity like this involved in promoting some obscure IT product?

    1. Re:How the hell did they get by SirBruce · · Score: 1

      I saw John Cleese do a hilarious infomercial for some vacuum cleaner a couple of years ago. I want to say it was Sunbeam but I really don't remember. So I guess he enjoys the work. :)

      Bruce

    2. Re:How the hell did they get by bscott · · Score: 3, Funny

      To quote (as best I can) Eric Idle:
      "John Cleese used to say he'd do anything for money, so I offered him a pound to shut up. He took it."

      At one time or another in his life, he's done just about everything - movies, TV, books, stage performances, the list goes on - brilliantly. As much as I'd like to see him chained to a desk and forced to write more of my favorite stuff, I think he's earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants for a quid... even crap movies like this.

      --
      Perfectly Normal Industries
    3. Re:How the hell did they get by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, he's been known to do totally inside-audience industrial training videos, too. Stuff we'll never get to see. I think he just likes Being John Cleese, Explaining Stuff. I we love him when he does, so what's not to like.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    4. Re:How the hell did they get by Baricom · · Score: 1

      How about Wayne Brady doing spots for Avaya?

      I got the feeling that he didn't have a clue about what he was talking about.

    5. Re:How the hell did they get by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      John Cleese to do this video? I know the answer, money, but this is definitley strange. When was the last time you saw a celebrity like this involved in promoting some obscure IT product?

      Tom Baker... Lalla Ward.... PR1ME computer commercials. Before that I remember Bill Cosby on TV speaking for the TI-99/4a.

      And I don't pay that much attention. I'm sure it's more common than you think though these days it's far more common for celebrities to do voice overs than appearances.

      --
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    6. Re:How the hell did they get by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Keep your hands of "Pluto Nash". The movie was just fun. Way underrated.

    7. Re:How the hell did they get by Trogre · · Score: 1

      He's done a lot non-entertainment-targeted work.

      Back in the 70's (or was it early 80's?) he did a series of accounting training videos with Ronnie Corbett and I'm sure there have been others.

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    8. Re:How the hell did they get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my favourite Cleese story is the recent case where he threatened to sue the Evening Standard for giving him a bad review.

      the man is a joke, however he hasn't been funny for at least 3 decades. but he'll sue anyone who dares to say so.

    9. Re:How the hell did they get by Zab+UvWxy · · Score: 1

      There was a series of short films that I remember from a Project Management class I took about a decade ago. They were called "Meetings, Bloody Meetings" IIRC, and I remember it being pretty amusing. I can't find copies - tape or digital - anywhere, though....

      --
      "I don't get it." -- ObviousGuy
    10. Re:How the hell did they get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because of the company he co-founded I believe ... http://www.videoarts.com/

  23. The text in the 'hidden frame' by parking_god · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because I *am* the kind of person who annoys those around me by shouting out continuity errors in theaters, here's what was in the hidden frame of the Clockwork Orange-like training video:

    Congratulations
    You have found the hidden frame. If you have time to look for things
    like this, you have way too much time on your hands. You are
    probably the kind of person who watches movies just to look for
    continuity issues, shouting out, "Hey, that guy in the background is
    wearing a different pair of cufflinks than he did two seconds ago!"
    - as if anyone else cares. You tend to dream up elaborate conspiracy
    theories that involve movie stars, politicians, and the logos of certain
    brands of cereal. You used to stuff grasshoppers into soda bottles
    and bury them in the playground during recess just to see how long
    they survived without oxygen. You should definitely seek professional
    help of some kind even before you check in to the
    Institute for Backup Trauma.

    --
    Brandishing Dangerous Logic
    1. Re:The text in the 'hidden frame' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually found that frame to be the most entertaining piece of the whole film.

      With digital movies I expect to have more stuff like that thrown in for people like us.

  24. Already Slashdotted by Baricom · · Score: 1

    I hope they have reliable backups.

  25. Re:That's my uncle's company! (Captains of Industr by rmarll · · Score: 1

    Congrats, Fred. You made Slashdot's front page. Now let's see if your servers can take the slashdotting...

    The Backup Institute webserver seems to be suffering from ambulatory mortosis.

  26. Q? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Cleese, James Bond's Q, is now perfecting gadgets for backing up servers?

  27. Why do I need to backup my trauma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I understand the need for backup, but I think this is going too far ...

  28. It's already gone BOOM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As it melts from the /. effect

  29. Lies! by PowerMacG4 · · Score: 1, Informative

    The earliest you could have seen it is February 2005, because I remember when my uncle finished it.

  30. Hell, their server is now slagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How could they be going too far? They damn well better have backups now!

  31. Thank you by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear PowerMacG4:

    I found the informational video on ambulatory mortosis to be quite traumatic as I realized the dramatized symptoms correspond to the symtpoms my wife has been having for last five years.

    Of course, I am also relieved as this explains why it has been so difficult to bring her to orgasm. For a while, I was starting to question my manliness. I suppose once Prudential pays my life insurance claim, I'll go to Vegas with my new girlfriend to forget those 5 lost years.

    Thanks, PowerMacG4. I owe you.

    --
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  32. By our powers combined... [Re:Institute ] by Qubit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Combining Kev Vance's comment about a direct link to the movie and nstrom's comment about using the Nyud.net mirror, I give you a high-bandwidth direct link:

    http://www.backuptrauma.com.nyud.net:8090/video/FL V/LVCleese_LG.flv

    --

    coding is life /* the rest is */
  33. Re:Option 3... SPOILER by saskboy · · Score: 1

    I clicked it first, and since I was on the incomplete mirror, I hadn't heard the setup to the punchline, but Cleese yells at you, and asks why you clicked the "third button" when he'd specificly told you not to. Then he glares, waggles his finger at you, then his head explodes and balloons float out. It was mildly unsatisfying until I saw the balloons.

    --
    Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  34. Old School Training Films by Basehart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember in the late 70's in England my Father coming back from some training course or other raving about the films they had been shown starring John Cleese, and he was always hyped on the fact that Cleese actually made people learn through laughter. I can't remember specifics but Dad worked for Thorne EMI who were in the Security business.

    1. Re:Old School Training Films by bstadil · · Score: 1

      The Company was / Is called Video Arts

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      Help fight continental drift.
    2. Re:Old School Training Films by bears · · Score: 1

      I saw 'Meetings, Bloody Meetings' and 'More Bloody Meetings' way back when. That I can still remember the titles and (some) of the material many years later is a testament to their efficacy. I wish everyone where I work had seen them too. I wonder if you can still get them anywhere....

      http://www.videoarts.co.uk/. Why, thanks Uncle Google! Not, at those prices, available for a casual overnight nostalgia rental.

    3. Re:Old School Training Films by bears · · Score: 1

      Looks like those two at least got remade in the early '90s. I definitely saw different versions in the 80s.

    4. Re:Old School Training Films by Nexboy · · Score: 1

      I remember back in the early 1990's the company I worked for was going to exhibit at Comdex. So, they rented a training video starring John Cleese which demonstrated things one shouldn't do in a booth at a show. It was funny as hell. In one scene, they were sitting around the little table in the booth stuffing their faces (think "the Simpsons" here) so the lesson was "don't eat in the booth and keep drinks out of sight"; and in another scene the guys stood shoulder to shoulder in front of the booth, forming sort of a wall so nobody could go in without invading personal space. This stuff went on for half an hour and I still think about these lessons when I work a trade show.

  35. Direct Link Mirror by TPS+Report · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thanks for the direct link, Kev. Their server seems to be extremely slow right now, so I'd suggest using the Coral Mirror of the file.

    --
    I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven...
    1. Re:Direct Link Mirror by pikine · · Score: 1

      And of course don't forget the Third Button!

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      I once had a signature.
  36. Actually, it pisses me off by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I watched the video and even signed up for the FREE poster they offered, which they NEVER sent me!!!! I wonder if my working for a competitor had something to do with that?

    --
    I'm not a troll, but I play one on Slashdot.
  37. 100% backup by Matey-O · · Score: 1

    Our backup runs at 100%... ...It's the restores that are a little spotty.

    I'm not responsible for the backup solutions in our shop (we had CA, then Veritas) but really, how hard can it BE to put bits on tape?

    --
    "Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
    1. Re:100% backup by CoolGopher · · Score: 1
      really, how hard can it BE to put bits on tape?

      Well, you see, it depends on the material of the bits and the quality of the glue...

    2. Re:100% backup by Roland · · Score: 1

      honestly? It can be a real pain.

      --
      whee -Me
    3. Re:100% backup by Baricom · · Score: 1

      Ahh...the age-old question:

      If you can't restore it, is it really backed up?

  38. Torrent by dlichterman · · Score: 1

    Anyone got a torrent up?

  39. Any alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the idea of online backup. However, this company's website appears to be powered entirely by clip-art models that attempts to lend an air of professionalisim but instead makes them seem like a bunch of assholes who have nothing better to do than watch internet porn, play with pens and read magazines while on the phone. And then they blow at least $3.50 on John Cheese (yes, that was his name before he changed it), marking a new low point in his career.

    So - who are this company's competitors (ie: who else provides online backup to corporate and home users) - and who would you recommend?

    1. Re:Any alternatives? by ewtrowbr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Me. I am the competitor. lol. $ grep /backup /etc/fstab /dev/hdb1 /backup ext3 noatime 0 0 /dev/hdb2 /backup/archive ext3 noatime 0 0 $ grep /backup /etc/fstab /dev/hdb1 /backup ext3 noatime 0 0 /dev/hdb2 /backup/archive ext3 noatime 0 0 $ grep fri /etc/crontab 1 23 * * mon,tue,wed,thr,fri root /usr/sbin/backup_home 50 23 * * mon,tue,web,thr,fri root /usr/sbin/scrub_backups 30 23 * * fri root cp /backup/`date -I`.tar.bz /backup/archive $ cat /usr/sbin/backup_home #/bin/sh DATE=`date -I` BACKUP_DIR=/backup/ /bin/tar cvf $BACKUP_DIR$DATE.tar /home /bin/bzip2 $BACKUP_DIR$DATE.tar exit 0 ewtrowbr@adfleet-svr Avails Reports $ cat /usr/sbin/scrub_backups #!/bin/bash REMFILE=`ls -t1 /backup/*.bz2 | sed -e '1,5d'` for FILE in $REMFILE ; do rm -f /backup/$FILE; done; exit 0

    2. Re:Any alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it much of a jump to guess that someday you'll be replaced with a small perl script?

  40. Irony by TrippTDF · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just realized that as I'm reading this thread, I'm sitting on two days worth of backup tapes.

    1. Re:Irony by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I just realized that as I'm reading this thread, I'm sitting on two days worth of backup tapes."

      And they can sustain it?

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that backup make your butt look large?

    3. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has 1Tb of DLT carts.

    4. Re:Irony by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      You'll get piles. Trust me.

      --
      Chernobyl 'not a wildlife haven' - BBC News
  41. Streaming Audio 10 Years Old by oedneil · · Score: 0

    *buffering* Where's Real's new technology when you need it?

  42. Resizing trauma by andreMA · · Score: 0, Troll
    This link from the summary decides it knows best what window size I should have.

    Therefore, I am entirely disinterested in anything they have to say and have mapped *.backuptrauma.com to 127.0.0.1

    1. Re:Resizing trauma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must suck to be someone who makes such a big deal about such trivial issues.

      Get a life. I'd hate to imagine what your life is like, if you get so upset about a website RESIZING YOUR FUCKING BROWSER WINDOW. Do you have such a tenuous grip on control of other things in your life, that a fantasy of total control of your computer is all you can cling to?

    2. Re:Resizing trauma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure they are shaking in their boots!

      Why not map * to 127.0.0.1 while you're at it?

    3. Re:Resizing trauma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's completely moronic. If windows size is so amazingly important to you, why don't you just deselect "move or resize existing windows" under "enable javascript" in your options menu? As for mapping *.backuptrauma.com to 127.0.0.1, why just not, oh I don't know, perhaps avoid visiting that site?

      Also, I silently have to wonder, what, exactly, do you think the web designer has to do with the quality of the video? Do you think it's the same person who decided to resize windows that directed the video? If not, how can that little fact be enough to make you disinterested in watching it?

      You appear stupid beyond redemption. But, then again, that's your choice, so please just carry on.

    4. Re:Resizing trauma by Nyhm · · Score: 1

      IMO the other replies to the parent are too harsh. It is frustrating when web designers think they know what size windows should be. All too often it's wrong, which hides content outside of a non-resizable, non-scrollable window. I should be able to render web content any way I see fit (as a client of that content).

      Opera corporation understands this. The Opera browser does not obey the dictates of window sizing. It also allows me to apply my own style to pages. Any web page that becomes unusable with a different style is poorly designed.

      The web is NOT a medium for magazine-style layout publishers. It is a medium for information distribution. HTML offers 'hints' on how the content is structured and CSS offers 'suggestions' on how to make it pretty.

    5. Re:Resizing trauma by tokabola · · Score: 1

      So, you didn't just add it to your hosts-deny file because?

      --
      Open Source for Open Minds
  43. Backups are for girls by 514CK3R · · Score: 0, Troll

    Backups are for girls and End (L)users. John Cleese is a blast, though he much better at holding together a flying circus or being a (Lord) Farquad. 'Nuff said

    1. Re:Backups are for girls by PCBRefugee · · Score: 1

      John Lithgow voiced Lord Farquad in Shrek. Cleese was in the sequel. I know, sad isn't it? I could have used my brain for good.

    2. Re:Backups are for girls by 514CK3R · · Score: 0

      I stand corrected. Saw Shrek 2 recently, and forgot the voices of the King of Far Far away and of Farquad were different. Thanks

  44. Clockwork Orange? by Kappelmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, sir, that was a series of clips from a much more famous movie. It's mostly famous within film geek circles, though, so I took it as something of an in-joke. You see the famous baby-carriage-falling-down-steps scene spoofed all over, like in The Untouchables and Brazil (directed by fellow Pythoner Terry Gilliam). And there's this one close-up of maggot-infested meat that reminds me of the high-resolution gross-out insets in old Ren & Stimpy cartoons. (There goes the rest of my hyphen allowance.)

    BTW, the original was silent, and I don't think Beethoven's 9th was what Eisenstein had in mind!

  45. Job for bittorrent by Stunning+Tard · · Score: 1
    Seriously, this is a case where sharing the network resources of the people who want to see the file makes extremely good sense. And after all, the entire purpose of advertising is to get as many people to see it as possible. Copyright extremism ought not to be the issue here.
    Yup. And they need to resurrect a free version of AdCritic.com using bittorrent. I'm assuming it was bandwidth charges (not copyright issues) that brought the site down and made it come back as a pay-site. But they haven't.
  46. Barely an ad by JumperCable · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hey slashdot editor, small typo on the brief. You typed "Barely an ad" when you really meant to say "Barely Funny".

    This should be classified as a jokoid with a heavy does of advertisement browbeating.

    I hope Cleese got paid well for the damage done to his reputation.

  47. Re:Barely Funny by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    OK. Who gave the livevault guys a bunch of mod points. Just because I got modded down, doesn't suddenly make the video or website funny.

    I mean crap, we've got backup guys dropping like flies, running around literally waving their hands in the air howling like monkeys, laughing like maniacs and this is the best they can come up with?

  48. I loved it by maxpublic · · Score: 1

    Very Monty Python, so the choice of actor makes sense. I rank it up there with the BMW film series.

    Max

    --
    My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    1. Re:I loved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding your .sig:

      "My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?"

      My God rose from the dead. Yours doesn't exist. Any questions?

    2. Re:I loved it by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      I see there's a reason you posted as a coward.

      Always enjoy getting a fanatics panties in a twist, though.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
  49. Bout damn time.... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You ever backed up into someone? It's quite shocking when the impact happens...... BAM!!!!!

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    In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
  50. You should be able to answer this for me... by raehl · · Score: 1

    What is the tonnage price for tin foil?

  51. He did one for a company I worked for years ago. by fugusama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think he has a nice little side business doing this. Our president was a Brit and the company had british roots so it seemed to make sense to hire him when we went through a name change. The way its told is they cooked up the rough script and then had him come up from LA in the afternoon. He rolled in, meet everyone, and then sat down, looked at the script and told them its was (insert fav brit slang here). He asked if he could take it back to the hotel to work on it a bit. He then came back the next day with the new script and they shot it in an afternoon. Word has it he got 50 grand for that. Nice bit of change for the work if you can get it.

  52. That's a Big Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    trouble is, nowadaze he only does floppies.

  53. Tape is better than disk.... by menscher · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Let's see... disks can be taken out by vibration, electric shock, or just by exceeding their shelf life. Failures can be from the drive electronics, the drive motor, a head crash, or simply getting unfiltered air in the drive. Life expectancy is 5 years if you get high-quality drives. They are typically kept online, which means they spend 100% of their lifetime vulnerable to threats from intruders, mistakes, and power surges.

    On the other hand, tape has NONE of these flaws. Even if your tape drive explodes in a fireball from a lightning strike, the tapes will be fine, and can be read in another drive.

    And yet here's a company trying to encourage people to migrate away from tape backups? Yes, they have a good offering -- remote backups. But that can (and should) be done with tape (possibly to disk first, but with a second copy on tape or other offline media).

    Sorry to make the only on-topic post in the entire story, but I just couldn't handle the FUD.

    1. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by astro-g · · Score: 1

      No, you cant read it in another drive.
      Not unless you are extremely lucky, and both drives have the exact same head alignment.

    2. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by mrjb · · Score: 1

      Of course there's this crazy little invention called RAID.

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    3. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Tape works great if you are willing to make the investment in high-quality hardware, backup software that actually works, a well-designed process, testing, maintenance, and people. Unfortunately, that is rare. Most low-end tape drives are crap. You need multiple drives for reliability and interoperability. They need regular maintenance. Can the vendor support the drives with spare parts, repair and overhaul services, replacement drives, for the long term? Where are the tapes stored? How are they organized and tracked? How often do you simulate failures or disasters, and verify that the process actually works?

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    4. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      For a more fair comparison, what's the life of a tape if it's continuously online? Hard disk backups don't need to be online these days you know. With USB2 and firewire ATA enclosures there's really no reason that hard disks need to be 'fixed' disks.

      Remember that hard disks these days are byte for byte significantly cheaper and of course odrers of magnitde faster than tape. If they are less reliable, then you might only use them for short-lived backups like incrementals.

      Even if your USB cable explodes in a fireball from a lightning strike, the hard drive it still fine, and can be read in another computer.

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    5. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Well, after reading your post I arranged for my tape drive to explode in a fireball from a lightning strike, and it did slightly destroy the tapes in the drive. Well, I suppose I might have been able to put them in my spare drive, but what with the bing on fire thing they were a little tricky to pick up.

      Never fear though, my lawsuit is in the post to you.

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      ~~~~~ BigLig2? You mean there's another one of me?
    6. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative
      Let's see... disks can be taken out by vibration, electric shock, or just by exceeding their shelf life.

      When you "take out" a HDD by electric shock, you need to replace a component on it to get it working again. When you "take out" a tape by electric shock, the data is gone, and you might not be able to use the tape ever again. Tapes really should be enclosed in metal casings like drives are...

      Life expectancy is 5 years if you get high-quality drives.

      No, no, that is only the online life expectancy. Try re-writing a tape constantly for 5 years straight and see how long it lasts. If you store a hard drive like you store a tape, it can last a very long time.

      If you keep them online, the lifetime of an individual drive doesn't matter one damn bit, because when one goes bad, you swap it out, data is restored, and there's no problem... When an important tape goes bad, you're not in good shape.

      Hard drives are MUCH easier to check for problems (even if normally offline) which would alert you to data-loss much sooner.

      The biggest thing hard drives have going for them, IMHO, is price. No need to buy a $30000 drive, and the per-GB cost of hard drives is close to tape as well.
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    7. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear astro-g,

      Welcome to the year 2005. We're glad to tell you that tape backup technology has moved on some what since the 1970's, where DEC ruled, or the 80's, where Exobyte was king. These days you can enjoy the benefits of such wonders as DDS 4 and other helical-scan formats! Will wonders never cease? It's all magic, I says.

    8. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaper for the first set of media. Easily 10 times the price for later sets. I can't get over how "backup" has come to mean "one copy of the yesterday's data." What happens when someone realizes, 11 months from now, that they deleted the tax data file. Tell me how cheap your non-archived backup set is then.

    9. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by 3Suns · · Score: 1

      LiveVault also has products that backup off-site to tape. I used to work for them, they partner for Iron Mountain to store the data securely.

      The point of this product is that with off-site backups, they can do the disk storage correctly, with whatever kind of data protection is available; remote mirrors, encryption, etc, etc, and the backups are available instantly instead of waiting for the tapes to be fished out of cold storage.

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    10. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by sad_ · · Score: 1

      disks can be taken out by vibration, electric shock, or just by exceeding their shelf life.

      your tape drive might not survive an electric shock as well, and tapes also have a limited shelf life depending on the usage, the storage procedure and environment used in.

      Failures can be from the drive electronics, the drive motor, a head crash, or simply getting unfiltered air in the drive.

      electronics in tape drives never fail, we all know that. my drives tend to break more then my disks, at least the DLT ones do, the LTO drives are pretty decent. heads from tape drives can go bad as well, and you will be crying the day it happens, read error tape after tape, until you figure it out, my heads are bad and oh no! you ruined all those tapes as well, how to restore now? tapes are even more sensitive to dust because they are not shieled at all.

      Life expectancy is 5 years if you get high-quality drives. They are typically kept online, which means they spend 100% of their lifetime vulnerable to threats from intruders, mistakes, and power surges.

      true, those disks are online, but we are talking ATA Raid devices most of the time here (we use EMC CLARiiON). if some disks fail nobody is going to care, just get them replaced. strangers are allowed inside your data center? i think you have bigger worries then keeping your backup disks safe in that case.

      in reality, we use the disks for backups up to one week. data older then that goes to tape, in most cases nobody ever wants a restore from files older then a week, but ofcourse you never know, and there is also archiving. if your operations are small fish, maybe disks are not that interesting, but as your backup volume grows, disk become more and more interesting.

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    11. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by Canonymous+Howard · · Score: 1
      RAID is not a substitute for backups. RAID addresses the problem of hard drive failure, but that's about it.


      RAID cannot restore a critical file that someone accidentally deleted. Yes, I know, lusers deserve what they get, but what happens once the luser has been demoted/fired and the CEO still wants the file recovered?


      RAID cannot help when the hard drive controller goes bad and corrupts every disk in the array.

    12. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by runderwo · · Score: 1
      Tapes really should be enclosed in metal casings like drives are...
      Of course, that doesn't help you if the metal case isn't grounded at the time when you discharge static electricity into it or when it encounters a magnetic field.
    13. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      That is one facet of backup. To feed you your own words: I can't get over how "backup" has come to mean "an archive of 10-year old data that is requested once in that time".

      Look, of course tapes keep better on the shelf for long long term storage but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about daily incrementals, you know like when Stef from marketing barges into your office on Friday at 4:58pm and proclaims, "Ijustdeletedmymonthlyreport-putitbackputitback!!! " Are you going to rummage through your tape collection, march down to the server room, wait 5 minutes for the drive to detect the tape, realise the drive is due for a head clean... etc etc. Or just do a dar -x on /mnt/backup/daily and be home for tea.

      10 times the price for later sets? Okay let's see:
      My institute has a mere 100GB of data to back up daily.

      So I can buy a pack of 7 40GB DLT tapes for $300 (why packs of 7 I'll never know). I now have 280GB to play with, but need 3 tapes per backup cycle.

      Or I can shell out $150 for a 200GB IDE and have my daily backups online. If the drive dies, big deal just chuck in another drive and run another backup. Hell, for an extra $20 I can put it in an external USB2 enclosure and keep it on a shelf if need be.

      Nope, I'm just not seeing your 10x price claims.

      Tape for permanent archival, hard disk for dailys. Seems like a good plan to me.

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    14. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      that doesn't help you if the metal case isn't grounded

      Yes, actually it does.
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    15. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by runderwo · · Score: 1

      If the tape is not grounded, in what way does a metal case beneficially redistribute a static discharge that any other case material would not?

    16. Re:Tape is better than disk.... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      A metal sheilding will act as something of a simple faraday-cage.

      I don't see how this is debatable, it's one of the most basic techniques in electronics, and is used extensively.

      How do you think anti-static bags work? Why do you think airplanes aren't internally damaged when struck by lightning?

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  54. Worked for me by legLess · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the scariest moments of my life was formatting my company's 150GB Netware server. It died early one Monday morning: power supply and two disks in the RAID just vaporized. The UPS, mysteriously, was fine. This was a 60-person architecture office; architecture's nearly all electronic these days, so that server *was* the company.

    I put in new drives and restored from the previous Friday's tape. One guy had done some work on Saturday, which he lost, but everything else was perfect. Numerous times I've gone back to a tape from months previously (grandfather-father-son scheme) to get one or two files, and I've never had one failure. So personally, I'm a big believer in tapes.

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    1. Re:Worked for me by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      I would hope rather that that makes you a big believer of _backups_, rather than tape. It is nice to hear that you have successfully employed tape technology in your backup system.

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  55. Re:Option 3... SPOILER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    And then you get a Windows BSOD and, at least for me, my browser crashed. Really.

    I thought it was part of the show for a second, until the dialog came up saying Safari had crashed and would I like to submit a bug report.

  56. Iron Mountain by BcNexus · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, Iron Mountain has invested in LiveVault according to the LiveVault website.

  57. Computer Associates and LiveVault by BcNexus · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to LiveVault's website and some Google research, LiveVault is in no way owned by CA (Computer Associates).
    No offense, but where did you get that idea?

  58. Re:*sigh* SOLVED by Fussen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a little tip I know.

    Now I'm on windows, but I use firefox so we should have a base to work with.

    if you go to the address bar and type "about:cache" AFTER you've visted the site with the flash movie, it will show up in your cache index.

    I've tried it, and not only did I find the SWF, but firefox also cached the link to the FLV file.

    Typing in the FLV or trying to "save as" didn't work initially, so I created a simple html doc with 1 href to the link, and now I'm downloading the 26 meg FLV.

    Ah look, it's done. Cheers :)

    TIP: If you see "LVCleese_LG.flv" you're on the right track.

  59. meh-Campfire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Only in our American cars, which we know (from Hollywood) have a tendency to blow up without fail in a massive fireball as soon as they leave the road."

    Unfortunately, none of them are SUVs.

  60. Re:*sigh* SOLVED by bani · · Score: 1

    now we just need an FLV player, or something to extract the mpeg4 from the FLV wrapper.

  61. The BOFH method of backup... by james_bray · · Score: 1

    Redirect the tape device to /dev/null.

    Backups performed in record time! ;-)

    http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html

    James

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  62. Whoa by seanyboy · · Score: 1

    industry's first disk-based online data backup and guaranteed recovery solution for small and medium businesses...

    One, this seems awfully expensive, and two, we've used Connected which has provided us with a reliable online data backup facility for a couple of years now. (And it's a fraction of the price). What's the difference?

    Methinks they should be spending less money on John Cleese, viral marketing and dodgy marketing tactics and a bit more time providing a proper service at a decent price.

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    1. Re:Whoa by seanyboy · · Score: 1

      I'll shut up now. Looks as though LiveVault and Connected may be the same company.

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    2. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol u r teh su>oR rotflmao lern 2 reed yeh stfu lol

  63. Re:*sigh* SOLVED by Threni · · Score: 1

    > now we just need an FLV player, or something to extract the mpeg4 from the FLV
    > wrapper.

    Are there any Firefox extensions that let you save the content from amongst all the Flash and other rubbish?

  64. Bond don't pay the bills... by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

    Cleese is the new Q and all, but those 5 minutes of film don't pay the bills.

    Eric is doing broadway shows of Holy Grail, Michael made money on that PBS shit, Gilliam is a director... that leaves Jones, who I guess is the poor one then.

    1. Re:Bond don't pay the bills... by Matt_UK · · Score: 1

      Jones is also a sucsessfull film director....

      I guess that none of them have to work. By the way Palin has said recently that he will not be doing any more long travel programs (round the world, pole to pole etc) as he feels he is getting to old for it

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  65. Re:That's my uncle's company! (Captains of Industr by GeckoX · · Score: 1

    It's a real shame when something so true hits so close to home that it immediately gets modded into oblivion as a troll.

    Sad.

    That's probably the most insightful post on this thread right now.

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  66. Torrent anyone? Please by Zemrec · · Score: 1

    I was able to watch the first 1:44 of the clip from the host site, and then it just died. Neither of the caches given above work for me either.

    Torrent! Torrent! Torrent!

    Also, does anyone know how come mirrordot.org doesn't always mirror the links given in slashdot articles?

  67. Re:*sigh* SOLVED by sznupi · · Score: 1

    VLC plays it.

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  68. Re:That's my uncle's company! (Captains of Industr by BillX · · Score: 1

    Are they affiliated with the United Appeal for the Dead?

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  69. Re:*sigh* SOLVED by bedessen · · Score: 1