Because that 2FA token sends info from the website you're logging into to Google. Google knows the ID of your 2FA and now knows you are a user of that website and when you log in.
But I use them on internal systems without Internet access at all. How exactly are you saying the token keys send anything to google?
My Yubico key, which uses the exact same protocol and backend PAM modules, I've used for years to login to a machine that not only doesn't have Internet access, but has no network access at all.
Perhaps you are just confused because for the first couple months google only sold the keys to people with google cloud accounts, not realizing they now sell them to anyone?
Or perhaps you are mistakenly thinking google invented the fido u2f protocol, and don't understand it's existed for years?
It's not like an autonomous sailboat has to worry about traffic or pedestrians.
That's only because for some strange reason it is still frowned upon to dump traffic and pedestrians into the middle of the Atlantic.
But never fear, I can only presume our government is currently hard at work trying to remove those regulations, as clearly additional testing is needed. For science!
Dotcom: I'm not involved in Mega anymore. Neither in a managing nor in a shareholder capacity. The company has suffered from a hostile takeover by a Chinese investor who is wanted in China for fraud. He used a number of straw-men and businesses to accumulate more and more Mega shares. Recently his shares have been seized by the NZ government. Which means the NZ government is in control. In addition Hollywood has seized all the Megashares in the family trust that was setup for my children. As a result of this and a number of other confidential issues I don't trust Mega anymore. I don't think your data is safe on Mega anymore. But my non-compete clause is running out at the end of the year and I will create a Mega competitor that is completely open source and non-profit, similar to the Wikipedia model. I want to give everyone free, unlimited and encrypted cloud storage with the help of donations from the community to keep things going.
Well, I guess it isn't just home Windows 10 users that get buggy/broken untested updates pushed to us.
Microsoft has never been known for quality, but they sure seem to eat their own dog food anyway. Not much of a consolation but at least there is a chuckle to be had.
Or software that could technically be used for good / neutral purposes?
That's what seems especially strange here.
From the original case, the author was originally targeted for "producing hacking tools", but that later got dropped because he only advertised it to be used for lawful purposes on your own hardware.
The FBI then came back showing he used it himself for unlawful purposes and with charges to match.
At the time that seemed fair enough, but now going after other buyers and users of the tool, one has to wonder how trumped up that claim might have been...
Didn't AOL try this back in the 90s with the 'AOL Keyword'? IIRC, it failed miserably.
Actually AOL keywords were very very successful and AOL charged big bucks to sell keywords to companies, but eventually domain names and URLs were cheaper to get (unless someone else registered it first) and the DNS system wasn't a monopoly so competition drove down prices further.
"Eventually" but not by too far.
From 1984 until 1990, the DNS system was completely a monopoly, in whole administrated by InterNIC. InterNIC was also the sole source of.com domains (as well as net, org, us, edu, mil, and gov, and before that.arpa) and IP allocations.
It wasn't until 1991 that they split off top level control to Network Solutions. It was a couple years after that until the "root servers" and "gtld-servers" were split apart, although Network Solutions was still the sole source for.com (and net and org) until 1998 when ICANN was given administrative control of the GTLDs.
The monopoly wasn't broken until then, when domain pricing saw its first drop ever from $50/year down to $35/year, but still required two years up front.
True competition still took another year or two after ICANN allowed other domain registrars to exist. As I recall we didn't really see major price changes until Tucows came along and sold "domain reseller" services to mostly anyone that wanted to do so. That was the first time I remember seeing $7/year domains, and because tucows did the thing where the reseller paid into an account with them in advance to spend out of, you saw hosting companies and ISPs doing that to offer far cheaper domains included with their packages.
I worked for one such ISP at that time, and we offered domains for $5 included with our hosting packages, knowing we'd take a $2 hit on each one but over all making that up in the monthly hosting fees if a customer stayed with us.
These fellas are smoking something. Until Chrome OS can have "native" applications like Windows does, MS doesn't have to worry. Where is Chorome OS' equivalent of Microsoft office? I have an answer for you: Nothing.
And your answer is wrong.
The equivalent of Microsoft office is built into the OS and runs locally.
Then there is the REAL Microsoft office that runs on it too, just as it does on Windows, which is right here: https://www.office365.com/
Then there is LibreOffice if you don't mind that route, which installs and runs local on the Chromebook exactly like it does on Windows.
That's one two three times you are flat out wrong.
You should also be educated on the fact "until" implies future tense, yet as chrome os has had native local apps from the start 7 years ago.
Do you even know what "local storage" is or means? Do you have a single piece of proof that SSDs are not local storage like you claim? Do you think hard drives don't exist either, or that USB sticks can't be used to give someone else files by hand when you don't have a network around?
Except those dumb terminals were just that, dumb terminals. They wouldn't work at all if the network wasn't available.
We're talking about Chromebooks here though.
Obviously a Chromebook can't load a webpage or access my google drive if it's offline, but it's identical to how Windows can't access a webpage or OneDrive if it's offline.
You can only run local applications and use local storage while not on the Internet.
It's not the same thing as a dumb terminal at all.
You've used that phrase so many times that it's lost all meaning.
Besides, I've consulted with our crack team of honey badgers and we are in unanimous consensus that the music industry is the biggest threat to the music industry. It's a scientific fact.
Not only that, they seem to be missing the basics of PR. How hard is it to phase it as - "We have hired an external security expert to independently verify the reported vulnerabilities" ?
Apparently about as hard as saying they will pay the bug bounty as promised.
Not that I would suggest anyone carry out this (probably illegal) action, but it would be pretty hilarious if this story ended instead with: "TechCrunch is now reporting that the researcher has managed to hack the Bitfi wallet again, this time extracting the exact amount of the bug bounty from McAfee's own funds"
Yep. DonÃ(TM)t think for a second that this isnÃ(TM)t another way to track you online.
Well without a 2FA hardware token, that means you are currently typing in a username and password.
I don't see how your claim that entering a username and password doesn't let the website you enter it into track the fact you just logged into them. By definition you have identified yourself with a username, and proven it really is you with your password.
As a 2FA hardware device does the same two tasks with one certificate, of course the website you use it to login to can track you equally the same.
That includes if you sign in to google, google will know you signed into them.
I would however highly suggest you stop trying to sign into google using your username/password for other websites. It isn't going to actually work, and there is no good reason to give google that info.
Everyone loves ChromeOS. And then they ask "so how do i install outlook?" And then they ask "How do I allow this ActiveX control?" And then they ask "How do I install this printer?" And then they ask "is it too late to return these?"
The only business users who can effectively use Chormebooks are ones where no one is working (i.e. kids using Slack).
I work in IT too, and I found an excellent use for ChromeBooks. Remote access.
Both remote desktop and our VPN client are available on the chrome store. Full laptop form factor chromebooks run $300, compared to a full fledged windows laptop from HP closer to $1000
Once VPNed in, you can remote to your desktop or VM instance and do everything you would in the office, except perhaps full multi-monitor support.
No one asks how to install Outlook because they already have it. No one really asks for ActiveX controls either, as the local apps using them have those controls pushed out to IE already, and anything else likely will gain a "no" reply. Same for the printers, office printers are installed with clicking a link on our intranet site, and home printers connected to the chromebook are forwarded over remote desktop to print to.
Plus there are no worries about a windows laptop offsite being joined to the domain. No stupid syncing group policy except while logged in, no windows update errors due to not finding the WSUS server, no downloading updates over the VPN when it can find the WSUS server, no locally stored data to secure or backup or worry about being lost, no worries that Windows will expire the local SAM cache and tell the user they can't login to the laptop until after they login to the laptop and VPN in...
They also have much lower end and simpler chromebook hardware in the $100-200 range. Not quite laptop form factor fully, but at a price point to be almost disposable.
Maybe your infrastructure doesn't allow for this type of setup, and I can only vouch for the Cisco AnyConnect VPN client, but that doesn't mean there are no business use cases for the things.
I there are issues with charge cut-off then the blame belongs with the charging logic.
I somehow doubt the charging logic can do much about the situation when the battery is punctured and explodes irregardless of what the battery is connected to.
I'd suppose the charging circuit could just refuse to ever charge the battery any at all, but that would likely draw more complaints.
How often does somebody blow themselves up pumping gas these days?
Do you mean the number in total, or the number specifically when a gas tank is punctured? Gas station fires are frequent enough. No idea on punctured tanks, they do tend to place the tanks underground to help prevent that.
I guess to be fair it seems like a gas station having a tank punctured would have a somewhat lower chance of a fire since the fuel would still need to find its way to an open flame.
High density batteries tend to pretty much always explode when punctured if they are maintaining any amount of charge.
People have made everything imaginable from simple 6 spot control inputs, all the way up to people who buy actual plane cockpit frames from airliner junk yards and rewire as input devices for PCs...
"video game" need not be limited to the guy in front of their TV with nothing but an xbox controller.
All of your "reading comprehension fail" all comes from the quoted detail.
"SteamOS" is the operating system debian with a single extra repo added, a repo that contains the closed steam client. Period, full stop.
"Steam OS" is literally a fresh Debian Jesse install with repo.steampowered.com added.
Why do you think Debian becomes not-Debian just by adding a repo?
Or alternately why does having that repo and one app installed suddenly justify the entire OS being named differently? Not to say you did that, Valve did that, but you do seem to agree by saying debian with a repo and app on it is no longer debian but is this "steamOS" thing.
Now that you know "SteamOS" is just Debian OS,
The OP never said it made debian closed source.
That is exactly what it means. He said the OS, which is Debian, becomes closed source because one app installed on it is closed source.
(Assuming you are the same AC as before, then you) said in addition it essentially makes the OS (Debian) closed source if its primary function is an app that is closed.
So installing VMWare Workstation on Debian suddenly would make Debian closed source? No.
As for installing Windows on Debian in kvm, if you are confusing "it" with Windows than of course that doesn't make windows open source. Nor did I say any such thing. In fact I complained more-or-less. I don't like the fact the steam client is closed source either.
But the claim was the OS (Debian) claims to being open source are false due to the application running on it. That is what I countered, and the rest you "countered" me with are things I either agree with, or already stated I agree with.
Precisely. If you don't like that SteamOS is fundamentally designed around a proprietary client, you call them out on it and you don't use it. You don't try to bullshit excuses or play semantic games. Me? I don't use SteamOS but I do use the steam client. I also use nvidia drivers. I realize I'm making compromises, and I realize I'm losing things as a consequence. I don't try to delude myself that everything is just fine.
I still disagree.
Installing steam client on debian does NOT close debians source, as the parent poster claimed. I also never claimed steam client, or anything else, being closed source was fine.
I'm sorry you don't use Linux kernels or the Debian distribution, and you are mistakenly labeling those as SteamOS. But installing steam client does not change the open/closed source nature of the OS you installed it on, even if you use Windows or OS X.
In fact since the only OSes steam client is available for are Windows, OS X, and Linux, and you already stated you don't use Linux (by the same incorrect name of SteamOS), your complete setup is already more closed source than by just using Debian and steam client.
Windows is fairly closed source, and the rare situations they allow others access to the source it still has NDAs and no licenses to distribute or use. OS X is a little better, at least their kernel and some userspace is BSD, thou definitely not some major parts of the OS.
But no, debian is 100% open source. No amount of 3rd party applications being installed will change that fact.
You will notice that while SteamOS claims to be open source, actually the critical parts of it like the client, are closed source.
SteamOS is Debian 7 or 8 for x86 and x64. The OS is completely open source. 100% of the OS source code is available here: https://sources.debian.org/
You are confusing the steam client application as being part of the OS, but it is just an application program.
Having a closed source program running on an open source OS does not ultimately make the OS anything else but open source.
There are lots of other closed source applications that run on Debian, steam client isn't the only one. None of those being installed make Debian any less open source. Hell, my wifi and nvidia drivers installed on my Debian system aren't open source, but that doesn't change the license of Debian what so ever.
If you don't like the steam client license, don't install their debian repo and apt-get it, and don't purchase a computer with that setup preloaded. It's that simple.
omg how could I forget that scene! Thanks for that one.
Surprisingly (to me) the link I ran with was actually the 3rd amazon result for "clean air", right after an air cleaner machine and, for some reason, a power converter for a plasma cutter...
Know what's the best and most pleasant thing to inhale into your lungs? CLEAN AIR.
Interesting idea, where might I find some of this clean air to put into my lungs? I never thought to search for some on Amazon but... woah, whatdya know
Clean Air Purge III Aerosol (1 Can) "Pyrethrins-based Purge III insecticide is metered insecticide formulation for flying insect control. It kills insects such as flies, mosquitoes, gnats and small moths for a full 30 days. Purge III leaves no lingering insecticide odor. For the most economically-effective flying insect control, trust Purge III, formulated with 0.975% Pyrethrins."
Sounds delish, I just ordered a can and will let you know how it goes!
Let's be real here. How many people buy kodi boxes to watch legal streams?
The same number of people that buy windows to run legal software. Or that buy an xbox/playstation to play legal games. Or that buy cable to watch legal pay per view. Or buy a chrome cast to watch purchased movies or free youtube videos.
As one who has used kodi from when it was called xbox media center and actually ran on the xbox, I can honestly say I have never once watched an illegal stream, be it with kodi or any other video player or even a web browser.
On the other hand I never have and never would buy something on facebook either, so I suppose it doesn't matter what their rules are as far as that goes.
But if that's your justification, just you wait for the day you are labeled a criminal and a pirate for having windows media player installed, and see how many people jump to your defense.
I've had multiple situations where I was incorrectly given a room that was already occupied, which resulted in a bit of a surprise upon entering 'my' room. After the first or second time, I've learned to knock before entering my hotel room for the first time just in case. But you believe that in such a situation it would have been justifiable for them to shoot me?
Although "justifiable" is a vague term, and belief is irrelevant, it would not be illegal. A horrible tragic event for certain, even likely an accident given the situation described.
But the point is the person who shot you would not have murder charges placed against them for doing so.
Also you should take note the person you replied to was not making any moral judgement or stating an opinion, but simply quoting the law as it currently stands.
It's a combination of "stand your ground laws" where it is not a murder charge for using deadly force to defend yourself when you believe your life is threatened, and the "duty to retreat" laws which state a person simply being present in your residence unexpectedly and without permission is automatically considered a threat to your life.
Also note that I too am not passing judgement on such laws or offering my opinion. I'm only educating you of what the laws are, nothing more nothing less.
So if by "justifiable" you mean to ask if it would be a justified excuse to provide the court, then yes it would be.
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Because that 2FA token sends info from the website you're logging into to Google. Google knows the ID of your 2FA and now knows you are a user of that website and when you log in.
But I use them on internal systems without Internet access at all.
How exactly are you saying the token keys send anything to google?
My Yubico key, which uses the exact same protocol and backend PAM modules, I've used for years to login to a machine that not only doesn't have Internet access, but has no network access at all.
Perhaps you are just confused because for the first couple months google only sold the keys to people with google cloud accounts, not realizing they now sell them to anyone?
Or perhaps you are mistakenly thinking google invented the fido u2f protocol, and don't understand it's existed for years?
The PAM module is open source: https://developers.yubico.com/...
No networking required after you download the GIT tree.
It's not like an autonomous sailboat has to worry about traffic or pedestrians.
That's only because for some strange reason it is still frowned upon to dump traffic and pedestrians into the middle of the Atlantic.
But never fear, I can only presume our government is currently hard at work trying to remove those regulations, as clearly additional testing is needed. For science!
msmash posted a story about this same boat and its voyage three days ago.
Hey now, that's a significant improvement in the editor AI from a decade or two ago, once per three days over three to four times a day.
As the editors are all 100kloc perl programs, that's pretty fantastic all things considered!
I thought Kimmie doesn't own Mega anymore?
Correct, the New Zealand government seized it back in 2015 and are the current owners.
It's day to day operations are performed by a Chinese investor.
It was on Slashdot
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/27/200204/interviews-kim-dotcom-answers-your-questions
Dotcom: I'm not involved in Mega anymore. Neither in a managing nor in a shareholder capacity. The company has suffered from a hostile takeover by a Chinese investor who is wanted in China for fraud. He used a number of straw-men and businesses to accumulate more and more Mega shares. Recently his shares have been seized by the NZ government. Which means the NZ government is in control. In addition Hollywood has seized all the Megashares in the family trust that was setup for my children. As a result of this and a number of other confidential issues I don't trust Mega anymore. I don't think your data is safe on Mega anymore. But my non-compete clause is running out at the end of the year and I will create a Mega competitor that is completely open source and non-profit, similar to the Wikipedia model. I want to give everyone free, unlimited and encrypted cloud storage with the help of donations from the community to keep things going.
Well, I guess it isn't just home Windows 10 users that get buggy/broken untested updates pushed to us.
Microsoft has never been known for quality, but they sure seem to eat their own dog food anyway.
Not much of a consolation but at least there is a chuckle to be had.
Or software that could technically be used for good / neutral purposes?
That's what seems especially strange here.
From the original case, the author was originally targeted for "producing hacking tools", but that later got dropped because he only advertised it to be used for lawful purposes on your own hardware.
The FBI then came back showing he used it himself for unlawful purposes and with charges to match.
At the time that seemed fair enough, but now going after other buyers and users of the tool, one has to wonder how trumped up that claim might have been...
Didn't AOL try this back in the 90s with the 'AOL Keyword'? IIRC, it failed miserably.
Actually AOL keywords were very very successful and AOL charged big bucks to sell keywords to companies, but eventually domain names and URLs were cheaper to get (unless someone else registered it first) and the DNS system wasn't a monopoly so competition drove down prices further.
"Eventually" but not by too far.
From 1984 until 1990, the DNS system was completely a monopoly, in whole administrated by InterNIC. .com domains (as well as net, org, us, edu, mil, and gov, and before that .arpa) and IP allocations.
InterNIC was also the sole source of
It wasn't until 1991 that they split off top level control to Network Solutions. .com (and net and org) until 1998 when ICANN was given administrative control of the GTLDs.
It was a couple years after that until the "root servers" and "gtld-servers" were split apart, although Network Solutions was still the sole source for
The monopoly wasn't broken until then, when domain pricing saw its first drop ever from $50/year down to $35/year, but still required two years up front.
True competition still took another year or two after ICANN allowed other domain registrars to exist.
As I recall we didn't really see major price changes until Tucows came along and sold "domain reseller" services to mostly anyone that wanted to do so.
That was the first time I remember seeing $7/year domains, and because tucows did the thing where the reseller paid into an account with them in advance to spend out of, you saw hosting companies and ISPs doing that to offer far cheaper domains included with their packages.
I worked for one such ISP at that time, and we offered domains for $5 included with our hosting packages, knowing we'd take a $2 hit on each one but over all making that up in the monthly hosting fees if a customer stayed with us.
These fellas are smoking something. Until Chrome OS can have "native" applications like Windows does, MS doesn't have to worry. Where is Chorome OS' equivalent of Microsoft office?
I have an answer for you: Nothing.
And your answer is wrong.
The equivalent of Microsoft office is built into the OS and runs locally.
Then there is the REAL Microsoft office that runs on it too, just as it does on Windows, which is right here: https://www.office365.com/
Then there is LibreOffice if you don't mind that route, which installs and runs local on the Chromebook exactly like it does on Windows.
That's one two three times you are flat out wrong.
You should also be educated on the fact "until" implies future tense, yet as chrome os has had native local apps from the start 7 years ago.
Do you even know what "local storage" is or means? Do you have a single piece of proof that SSDs are not local storage like you claim? Do you think hard drives don't exist either, or that USB sticks can't be used to give someone else files by hand when you don't have a network around?
Except those dumb terminals were just that, dumb terminals. They wouldn't work at all if the network wasn't available.
We're talking about Chromebooks here though.
Obviously a Chromebook can't load a webpage or access my google drive if it's offline, but it's identical to how Windows can't access a webpage or OneDrive if it's offline.
You can only run local applications and use local storage while not on the Internet.
It's not the same thing as a dumb terminal at all.
Are the Biggest Piracy Threat To Music Industry
You've used that phrase so many times that it's lost all meaning.
Besides, I've consulted with our crack team of honey badgers and we are in unanimous consensus that the music industry is the biggest threat to the music industry.
It's a scientific fact.
Not only that, they seem to be missing the basics of PR. How hard is it to phase it as - "We have hired an external security expert to independently verify the reported vulnerabilities" ?
Apparently about as hard as saying they will pay the bug bounty as promised.
Not that I would suggest anyone carry out this (probably illegal) action, but it would be pretty hilarious if this story ended instead with:
"TechCrunch is now reporting that the researcher has managed to hack the Bitfi wallet again, this time extracting the exact amount of the bug bounty from McAfee's own funds"
Yep. DonÃ(TM)t think for a second that this isnÃ(TM)t another way to track you online.
Well without a 2FA hardware token, that means you are currently typing in a username and password.
I don't see how your claim that entering a username and password doesn't let the website you enter it into track the fact you just logged into them.
By definition you have identified yourself with a username, and proven it really is you with your password.
As a 2FA hardware device does the same two tasks with one certificate, of course the website you use it to login to can track you equally the same.
That includes if you sign in to google, google will know you signed into them.
I would however highly suggest you stop trying to sign into google using your username/password for other websites. It isn't going to actually work, and there is no good reason to give google that info.
I work in IT.
Everyone loves ChromeOS. And then they ask "so how do i install outlook?" And then they ask "How do I allow this ActiveX control?" And then they ask "How do I install this printer?" And then they ask "is it too late to return these?"
The only business users who can effectively use Chormebooks are ones where no one is working (i.e. kids using Slack).
I work in IT too, and I found an excellent use for ChromeBooks. Remote access.
Both remote desktop and our VPN client are available on the chrome store.
Full laptop form factor chromebooks run $300, compared to a full fledged windows laptop from HP closer to $1000
Once VPNed in, you can remote to your desktop or VM instance and do everything you would in the office, except perhaps full multi-monitor support.
No one asks how to install Outlook because they already have it.
No one really asks for ActiveX controls either, as the local apps using them have those controls pushed out to IE already, and anything else likely will gain a "no" reply.
Same for the printers, office printers are installed with clicking a link on our intranet site, and home printers connected to the chromebook are forwarded over remote desktop to print to.
Plus there are no worries about a windows laptop offsite being joined to the domain.
No stupid syncing group policy except while logged in, no windows update errors due to not finding the WSUS server, no downloading updates over the VPN when it can find the WSUS server, no locally stored data to secure or backup or worry about being lost, no worries that Windows will expire the local SAM cache and tell the user they can't login to the laptop until after they login to the laptop and VPN in...
They also have much lower end and simpler chromebook hardware in the $100-200 range.
Not quite laptop form factor fully, but at a price point to be almost disposable.
Maybe your infrastructure doesn't allow for this type of setup, and I can only vouch for the Cisco AnyConnect VPN client, but that doesn't mean there are no business use cases for the things.
I there are issues with charge cut-off then the blame belongs with the charging logic.
I somehow doubt the charging logic can do much about the situation when the battery is punctured and explodes irregardless of what the battery is connected to.
I'd suppose the charging circuit could just refuse to ever charge the battery any at all, but that would likely draw more complaints.
How often does somebody blow themselves up pumping gas these days?
Do you mean the number in total, or the number specifically when a gas tank is punctured?
Gas station fires are frequent enough. No idea on punctured tanks, they do tend to place the tanks underground to help prevent that.
I guess to be fair it seems like a gas station having a tank punctured would have a somewhat lower chance of a fire since the fuel would still need to find its way to an open flame.
High density batteries tend to pretty much always explode when punctured if they are maintaining any amount of charge.
Surely, I can't be the only one who misses attache cases.
Maybe ;P Actually never heard of that name before.
A quick google turns up a bunch of briefcase looking items. Certainly man-purse IMHO, was just wondering if I was missing anything special about them.
I can't think of any reason men don't typically carry purses.
A number of us do, we just call it a laptop bag and occasionally store a laptop in there too with all the other heavy pocket junk.
Also would a briefcase count?
The article however is about video games - which are to those simulators like a skateboard is to a F1 racer.
I'm not sure your mental picture of "video games" has quite advanced with technology.
Check out some of the cockpit control setups people have made at home for their video game software:
https://www.reddit.com/r/homecockpits/
People have made everything imaginable from simple 6 spot control inputs, all the way up to people who buy actual plane cockpit frames from airliner junk yards and rewire as input devices for PCs...
"video game" need not be limited to the guy in front of their TV with nothing but an xbox controller.
Of course I'm talking about SteamOS, not Debian.
All of your "reading comprehension fail" all comes from the quoted detail.
"SteamOS" is the operating system debian with a single extra repo added, a repo that contains the closed steam client.
Period, full stop.
"Steam OS" is literally a fresh Debian Jesse install with repo.steampowered.com added.
Why do you think Debian becomes not-Debian just by adding a repo?
Or alternately why does having that repo and one app installed suddenly justify the entire OS being named differently?
Not to say you did that, Valve did that, but you do seem to agree by saying debian with a repo and app on it is no longer debian but is this "steamOS" thing.
Now that you know "SteamOS" is just Debian OS,
The OP never said it made debian closed source.
That is exactly what it means. He said the OS, which is Debian, becomes closed source because one app installed on it is closed source.
(Assuming you are the same AC as before, then you) said in addition it essentially makes the OS (Debian) closed source if its primary function is an app that is closed.
So installing VMWare Workstation on Debian suddenly would make Debian closed source? No.
As for installing Windows on Debian in kvm, if you are confusing "it" with Windows than of course that doesn't make windows open source. Nor did I say any such thing. In fact I complained more-or-less. I don't like the fact the steam client is closed source either.
But the claim was the OS (Debian) claims to being open source are false due to the application running on it. That is what I countered, and the rest you "countered" me with are things I either agree with, or already stated I agree with.
Reading comprehension fail indeed.
Precisely. If you don't like that SteamOS is fundamentally designed around a proprietary client, you call them out on it and you don't use it. You don't try to bullshit excuses or play semantic games. Me? I don't use SteamOS but I do use the steam client. I also use nvidia drivers. I realize I'm making compromises, and I realize I'm losing things as a consequence. I don't try to delude myself that everything is just fine.
I still disagree.
Installing steam client on debian does NOT close debians source, as the parent poster claimed.
I also never claimed steam client, or anything else, being closed source was fine.
I'm sorry you don't use Linux kernels or the Debian distribution, and you are mistakenly labeling those as SteamOS. But installing steam client does not change the open/closed source nature of the OS you installed it on, even if you use Windows or OS X.
In fact since the only OSes steam client is available for are Windows, OS X, and Linux, and you already stated you don't use Linux (by the same incorrect name of SteamOS), your complete setup is already more closed source than by just using Debian and steam client.
Windows is fairly closed source, and the rare situations they allow others access to the source it still has NDAs and no licenses to distribute or use.
OS X is a little better, at least their kernel and some userspace is BSD, thou definitely not some major parts of the OS.
But no, debian is 100% open source. No amount of 3rd party applications being installed will change that fact.
You will notice that while SteamOS claims to be open source, actually the critical parts of it like the client, are closed source.
SteamOS is Debian 7 or 8 for x86 and x64. The OS is completely open source.
100% of the OS source code is available here: https://sources.debian.org/
You are confusing the steam client application as being part of the OS, but it is just an application program.
Having a closed source program running on an open source OS does not ultimately make the OS anything else but open source.
There are lots of other closed source applications that run on Debian, steam client isn't the only one.
None of those being installed make Debian any less open source.
Hell, my wifi and nvidia drivers installed on my Debian system aren't open source, but that doesn't change the license of Debian what so ever.
If you don't like the steam client license, don't install their debian repo and apt-get it, and don't purchase a computer with that setup preloaded. It's that simple.
Yes. Grandma is protected at the bottom of the stairs.
omg how could I forget that scene! Thanks for that one.
Surprisingly (to me) the link I ran with was actually the 3rd amazon result for "clean air", right after an air cleaner machine and, for some reason, a power converter for a plasma cutter...
Know what's the best and most pleasant thing to inhale into your lungs? CLEAN AIR.
Interesting idea, where might I find some of this clean air to put into my lungs?
I never thought to search for some on Amazon but... woah, whatdya know
Clean Air Purge III Aerosol (1 Can)
"Pyrethrins-based Purge III insecticide is metered insecticide formulation for flying insect control. It kills insects such as flies, mosquitoes, gnats and small moths for a full 30 days. Purge III leaves no lingering insecticide odor. For the most economically-effective flying insect control, trust Purge III, formulated with 0.975% Pyrethrins."
Sounds delish, I just ordered a can and will let you know how it goes!
Let's be real here. How many people buy kodi boxes to watch legal streams?
The same number of people that buy windows to run legal software. Or that buy an xbox/playstation to play legal games. Or that buy cable to watch legal pay per view. Or buy a chrome cast to watch purchased movies or free youtube videos.
As one who has used kodi from when it was called xbox media center and actually ran on the xbox, I can honestly say I have never once watched an illegal stream, be it with kodi or any other video player or even a web browser.
On the other hand I never have and never would buy something on facebook either, so I suppose it doesn't matter what their rules are as far as that goes.
But if that's your justification, just you wait for the day you are labeled a criminal and a pirate for having windows media player installed, and see how many people jump to your defense.
I've had multiple situations where I was incorrectly given a room that was already occupied, which resulted in a bit of a surprise upon entering 'my' room. After the first or second time, I've learned to knock before entering my hotel room for the first time just in case. But you believe that in such a situation it would have been justifiable for them to shoot me?
Although "justifiable" is a vague term, and belief is irrelevant, it would not be illegal.
A horrible tragic event for certain, even likely an accident given the situation described.
But the point is the person who shot you would not have murder charges placed against them for doing so.
Also you should take note the person you replied to was not making any moral judgement or stating an opinion, but simply quoting the law as it currently stands.
It's a combination of "stand your ground laws" where it is not a murder charge for using deadly force to defend yourself when you believe your life is threatened, and the "duty to retreat" laws which state a person simply being present in your residence unexpectedly and without permission is automatically considered a threat to your life.
https://www.kconnollylawyers.com/criminal-law/nevada-self-defense-laws
and
https://www.kconnollylawyers.com/nrs/200120-justifiable-homicide-no-retreat/
Also note that I too am not passing judgement on such laws or offering my opinion. I'm only educating you of what the laws are, nothing more nothing less.
So if by "justifiable" you mean to ask if it would be a justified excuse to provide the court, then yes it would be.