You don't really know what you are talking about. Ask any nuke-rated pipe welder or fitter what sizes they work with.
Note the vessel thickness, which isn't hard to breach for someone who doesn't mind dying. An RPG will go through much thicker armor, or a thermit package could be attached and ignited. Don't be so impressed by metal.
The Fukushima vessel is listed as four inches thick. Note the PERSONNEL DOOR in the drawing. Open THAT and the thickness of the REST of the vessel doesn't matter!
Vessels are in concrete structure, but not "potted" directly, for they and their piping must be inspected. That means they must be accessed.
See the nice building. Note that once you enter it, it's defensible after you kill the workers. The same concrete that protects the reactor by from the gentle caress of incoming aircraft makes a fine bunker and covers your door breach operation.
An RPG can penetrate about ten inches of steel armor once you are inside.
EFPs can punch armor from a distance. Ignore the delivery system but note the small size of the munition on the Fire Ant:
"The Charge, Demolition, Shaped, 150mm is designed to make holes of considerable depth and breadth in a variety of materials. It consists of a 150mm diameter conical steel liner with three removable legs which provide a standoff of 145mm. The Charge, Demolition, Shaped, 150mm contains 3.1 kg of HE and its total mass is 4.9 kg.
"Target Material Depth of Hole (mm) Armour Plate 178 Mild Steel 250 Hard Rock (Granite) 380 Reinforced concrete 760 Soft rock (Sandstone) 910"
Any questions? None of this info on reactors or metal cutting or explosives is obscure. Metal is cut and explosives are used to demolish industrial structure all over the world every day!
Terrorists could smuggle the illegal bits the same way drug smugglers get tons of weed and coke and illegal immigrants across borders. A roll of demolition cord could sit in the open among coils of wire. Semtex can be poured into all sorts of innocent containers like drink coolers. Detonators and blasting caps can be neatly fitted into consumer appliances and pass even x-ray inspection.
The gear and the perps can't get into action if they are killed before they enter the premises, so killing them is what to do.
The metal parts...are metal...and while metal is frozen at normal terrestrial temperatures man has been thawing it out for a long time...
While this excellent video is of a machine torch (hence the cut quality) you can cut similar and much thicker sections with the same style tips on an oxy-acetylene or oxy-propane hand torch.
Bring some ultralight aircraft oxygen cylinders (you can gang them together for more flow) and a small LP tank, and you have backpack-mobile cutting capability on THICK steel.
Example small breaching kit. You can tailor the components to your needs by piecing them together from suppliers and not overpay for military/rescue labelling. Going bigger is no problem:
All you need is to cut a manhole, throw down some lightweight welding blankets, then haul ass through it not giving your welding garments time to overheat.
For style points, bring a lever-action handling magnet and some Kevlar rope to drag off the hot parts which don't have "handles".
Nothing special here, the techniques are common and the parts are affordable.
One thing is not necessarily the other. Personnel access and other ways into the dome may be more easily accessed.
Consider the classic Hardened Aircraft Shelter example. They are designed to withstand nuclear blast verpressure, but point loading such as an aerial bomb can penetrate them.
Aircraft are soft and squishy, which is why they disintegrate when they crash. The engine cores and landing gear struts are stout, but smallish.
They are quite sane, but they are also confrontational.
Given that NON-confrontational methods don't work, and that GP are serious, why not up the ante?
They demonstrated French nuke security sucks, so their objective was accomplished.
They could just as easily have carried:
Satchel charges including shaped demo charges and EFPs (can reach from a short distance to save time emplacing them) to breach containment and disable backup cooling systems or system power. Portable exothermic breaching kit to slice through security doors/locks. Small arms to dispose of any guards.
They didn't, but they proved it practical. There is no "security" without ARMED defense on the spot. That applies to everything from nuclear reactors to your house or apartment. Unless you can halt opposing human attack by shutting down their central nervous systems, they are free to do their will.
Of course, but the folks who would do that would do it anyway and likely are as we type.
The fact the Greenpeace team weren't sniped instantly shows France and any other country which doesn't post armed kill teams onsite isn't concerned with stopping terrorists. Cameras are nice but manned posts are necessary for instant response.
"My Persian cooworkers have a social app that tracks when people on the ground see the planes"
How do they tell the country of origin from the ground when the aircraft is at altitude? If they can SEE them that close they can PHOTOGRAPH it for proof. Pics or it didn't happen.
US fighters would be taking a considerable risk of loss from "ordinary" attrition causes such as engine failure. UAVs would be much more plausible...
Iran does have functional fighter aircraft capable of getting within missile range of intruders. Phantoms and the odd F-14 are now elderly but can carry missiles just fine.
I know the Cold War may as well have been the War of the Roses to most people nowadays, but this stuff was routine and there were plenty of shootdowns of MANNED aircraft probing Soviet and Chinese airspace.
It's only a UAV. So what? That's why we get meat out of the cockpit.
"Caption: The black block sitting on top of the KY-28 is the KYK-38 and it plugs into the front of the unit. This device is on display at the MARCOM Museum in Halifax. (Photo by Jerry Proc)
The device was also fitted with a internal shock sensor. If the aircraft crashed, the resulting 'G' forces would trip this sensor thus resetting the key. "
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...4chan to represent Americans to the world.
Communism is quite dead. China is Capitalist.
As far as your other paranoia, the only real treatment for mental illiness is suicide.
You don't really know what you are talking about. Ask any nuke-rated pipe welder or fitter what sizes they work with.
Note the vessel thickness, which isn't hard to breach for someone who doesn't mind dying. An RPG will go through much thicker armor, or a thermit package could be attached and ignited. Don't be so impressed by metal.
The Fukushima vessel is listed as four inches thick. Note the PERSONNEL DOOR in the drawing. Open THAT and the thickness of the REST of the vessel doesn't matter!
http://nei.cachefly.net/static/images/BWR_illustration.jpg
http://www.cbi.com/markets/project-profiles/georgia-power-nuclear/
Vessels are in concrete structure, but not "potted" directly, for they and their piping must be inspected. That means they must be accessed.
See the nice building. Note that once you enter it, it's defensible after you kill the workers. The same concrete that protects the reactor by from the gentle caress of incoming aircraft makes a fine bunker and covers your door breach operation.
An RPG can penetrate about ten inches of steel armor once you are inside.
EFPs can punch armor from a distance. Ignore the delivery system but note the small size of the munition on the Fire Ant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syuu_g7svoE
A shaped charge is plenty capable. Note the listed effects of this smallish one:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bullets2-shaped-charge.htm
"The Charge, Demolition, Shaped, 150mm is designed to make holes of considerable depth and breadth in a variety of materials. It consists of a 150mm diameter conical steel liner with three removable legs which provide a standoff of 145mm. The Charge, Demolition, Shaped, 150mm contains 3.1 kg of HE and its total mass is 4.9 kg.
"Target Material Depth of Hole (mm)
Armour Plate 178
Mild Steel 250
Hard Rock (Granite) 380
Reinforced concrete 760
Soft rock (Sandstone) 910"
Any questions? None of this info on reactors or metal cutting or explosives is obscure. Metal is cut and explosives are used to demolish industrial structure all over the world every day!
Terrorists could smuggle the illegal bits the same way drug smugglers get tons of weed and coke and illegal immigrants across borders. A roll of demolition cord could sit in the open among coils of wire. Semtex can be poured into all sorts of innocent containers like drink coolers. Detonators and blasting caps can be neatly fitted into consumer appliances and pass even x-ray inspection.
The gear and the perps can't get into action if they are killed before they enter the premises, so killing them is what to do.
Get over the idea attackers need to survive the attack. Trying to do that makes unconventional attacks impractical.
If you can get a suicide crew in to cut, they can bring weapons to fend off security.
Once in, you can do enough damage to accomplish terrorist goals even if you don't get a meltdown.
"People who would rather someone else get their hands dirty or risk their lives, while they go on enjoying a cup of tea and good book of poetry."
That also explains the US military...
The metal parts...are metal...and while metal is frozen at normal terrestrial temperatures man has been thawing it out for a long time...
While this excellent video is of a machine torch (hence the cut quality) you can cut similar and much thicker sections with the same style tips on an oxy-acetylene or oxy-propane hand torch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy3g4-D1ZeA
Bring some ultralight aircraft oxygen cylinders (you can gang them together for more flow) and a small LP tank, and you have backpack-mobile cutting capability on THICK steel.
Example small breaching kit. You can tailor the components to your needs by piecing them together from suppliers and not overpay for military/rescue labelling. Going bigger is no problem:
http://www.broco-rankin.com/broco/m_MTMOD1.cfm
All you need is to cut a manhole, throw down some lightweight welding blankets, then haul ass through it not giving your welding garments time to overheat.
For style points, bring a lever-action handling magnet and some Kevlar rope to drag off the hot parts which don't have "handles".
Nothing special here, the techniques are common and the parts are affordable.
One thing is not necessarily the other. Personnel access and other ways into the dome may be more easily accessed.
Consider the classic Hardened Aircraft Shelter example. They are designed to withstand nuclear blast verpressure, but point loading such as an aerial bomb can penetrate them.
Aircraft are soft and squishy, which is why they disintegrate when they crash. The engine cores and landing gear struts are stout, but smallish.
Now try to find hot twins who will have sex with each other....
It should be called the File Footage Fapfest.
No need for OC when you can repackage the same shit and you audience are too far into senile dementia to know the difference.
That's a bit scary when you think about what FUTURE iterations of the History Channel will cover once the current gummers die off.
"How long would it take to actually penetrate the containment building?"
Depends on what kit you bring.
Portable exothermic torches might cut through personnel doors, and if it were a well-funded operation then shaped charges etc could blow holes.
Easy enough for a kamikaze squad to wear the shaped charges and hug the target areas while other troops fight off security personnel to buy time.
They are quite sane, but they are also confrontational.
Given that NON-confrontational methods don't work, and that GP are serious, why not up the ante?
They demonstrated French nuke security sucks, so their objective was accomplished.
They could just as easily have carried:
Satchel charges including shaped demo charges and EFPs (can reach from a short distance to save time emplacing them) to breach containment and disable backup cooling systems or system power.
Portable exothermic breaching kit to slice through security doors/locks.
Small arms to dispose of any guards.
They didn't, but they proved it practical. There is no "security" without ARMED defense on the spot. That applies to everything from nuclear reactors to your house or apartment. Unless you can halt opposing human attack by shutting down their central nervous systems, they are free to do their will.
Of course, but the folks who would do that would do it anyway and likely are as we type.
The fact the Greenpeace team weren't sniped instantly shows France and any other country which doesn't post armed kill teams onsite isn't concerned with stopping terrorists. Cameras are nice but manned posts are necessary for instant response.
Gotta give Greenpeace credit for having balls.
"how can you know the shows aren't worth watching?"
Because TV has always been designed for the lowest common denominator. IMO it should stay that way as a walled garden of shit.
I've had it on because the wife uses it for background noise due to severe tinnitus.
TV was shit and is shit with only a microscopic percentage of worthwhile content easily surpassed by the Internet.
Just because a company is TECHNICALLY a non-profit doesn't mean the management doesn't get rich.
Gobble the money in salaries and perks, and there is plenty of personal profit to be had.
Star Wars wasn't "science fiction", it was a _fantasy_ morality play series for children.
"Now if they can only re-animate Raymond Burr."
Hire Rosie O'Donnell, trim the excess body hair, and have at it.
"My Persian cooworkers have a social app that tracks when people on the ground see the planes"
How do they tell the country of origin from the ground when the aircraft is at altitude? If they can SEE them that close they can PHOTOGRAPH it for proof. Pics or it didn't happen.
US fighters would be taking a considerable risk of loss from "ordinary" attrition causes such as engine failure. UAVs would be much more plausible...
Iran does have functional fighter aircraft capable of getting within missile range of intruders. Phantoms and the odd F-14 are now elderly but can carry missiles just fine.
I know the Cold War may as well have been the War of the Roses to most people nowadays, but this stuff was routine and there were plenty of shootdowns of MANNED aircraft probing Soviet and Chinese airspace.
It's only a UAV. So what? That's why we get meat out of the cockpit.
Sportsmanship in war is not an advantage.
Also, long-range artillery called, citing prior art.
"They downed one drone, haha. US downed their airliner in their airspace with 290 pax onboard."
Good thing airliners are never used as weapons!
"The problem with this is that those drones have encrypted radios and if they didn't get wiped in time closely guarded encryption keys."
Keys expire and systems can be fitted with a variety of controlled and automatic "zeroize" switches.
Those problems have been dealt with for decades.
I was keying these every night in 1982:
http://jproc.ca/crypto/ky28.html
"Caption: The black block sitting on top of the KY-28 is the KYK-38 and it plugs into the front of the unit. This device is on display at the MARCOM Museum in Halifax. (Photo by Jerry Proc)
The device was also fitted with a internal shock sensor. If the aircraft crashed, the resulting 'G' forces would trip this sensor thus resetting the key. "
Most wars historically are "rearranging the furniture" rather than Total War with overwhelming conquest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Gary_Powers
Do what ever will make you the most money. Corporations have no ethical obligations and neither should employees.
Your value is what you know. Don't share any more than you can avoid.
Bingo!
They get the desired result, you get money.