Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
Ok lets burn some karma here
Allowing anyone to reuse code does not nullify the achievements brough about by the code. That is unless your objective is non technical like Stallman's.
Much BSD code has been reused by commercial products. Its a governemnt research project. A government setup by fans of Adam Smith. As such they set forth laws and precedents to encourage capitalism. This eventually evolved into government funding in research and universities that encouraged making technology available to corporations for them to make a profit. This is partially how BSD came about. Remember Berkley is a State school.
One of their objectives was that corporations would steal their code, make better OSes, and cause the American dream of aqquiring lots of nice shiny things to be achieved.
I personally use both Linux and BSD. Here is what I've observed. Decentralized development like Linux gives us innovation. The bazaar model gives you the most options. Thats why Linux has drivers for a zillion file systems, KDE and Gnome are so robust, and linux is the flagship platform for so many projects. However, the Cathedral model excells at polish. Thats why Linux Distros tend to use the Cathadrel approach. Debian and Gentoo being notable exceptions. Most distros have a central authority directing a team of developers to track a set of packages and maintain installer and configuration tools.
Well Debian Stable is not exactly the most popular linux distro. Yeah it is a good distro, debs rock, I run fink on panther. However, I think their are many mosre Redhat and SuSE mysql servers out their and that would be a better judge of deployment. Also are we talking servers deployed in the last 6 months or all servers, cause I'm sure for many people Redhat 7.x is good enough cause it was the latest and greatest when the server was built.
I'd discovered Firebird, which does both, is better (no more junkmail, viruses, security risks etc) and is free.
Thunderbird does both. Firebird is for http, gopher, ftp, etc. Thunderbird is similar enough in purpose to be called better. However, their both better.
Um, not to be quarrelsome or anything, but I'm not sure sure you'll find anyone here willing to make that distinction.
I know. It was flame bait and I just wanted to post an educated rebuttal.
Ok lets get my I'm not astroturfing disclaimer out of the way. I'm typing this on a 700mhz iBook running Panther. MMy browser is FireBird. IE:Mac is not installed on my system. My spreadsheet of choice is gnumeric and I use Open Office for my word processing needs on Linux systems at home and Apple Works on my Mac.
Now, minus the EULA of Excel and the platform it runs on, WTF is you major problem with it. While those are serious issues, there are a host of applications that have these same issues, and you appear to be singling out Excel people especially. I'd have to say that Excel is number 2 on the list of programs I'd like the source code for from MS. Access is number 1. No spreadsheet out their comes close in terms of programable extenibility and database integration. Sure your stuck with using VBA, but VBA lets you call DLLs and you can write those in any language, using free software compilers!!!
Yes free software is important, yes open source is important. Yes doing anything to hurt the boys at redmond is important. However, your troll seems to attack Excel users in particular. Now, if you can explain why Excel users, and not Word or outLook users need to be sterlized, then go right ahead.
You can do Windows programming using vi or emacs if you want to, and compile at the command line.
If you'd rather do that than use VS then you're insane.
Well, what about Using Vim from within Visual Studio and compiling with VS? Or writing the make file yourself and using:make in GVIM. I'm sure you can do similar with emacs, jsut don't know emacs. Vi and Emacs are both good text editors. GVIM and Emacs can both be extended and used as the frameworks for IDEs. When I want something quick and dirty on windows I fire up OpenWatcom, with GVIM as the text editor. When a project grows in complexity I start writing the makefile my self.
I understand that credit is a complex economic concept, but can't they just live another 8 months without a computer. Perhaps its economic decisions like these that put people in the predicimate where $400 is alot of money, and its not AOLs job to care, but it still baffles my mmind.
And if you practice mopping floors enough and gain a few certifications in bleach and ajax, I'm sure you can become a mop consultant for a fortune 500 company.
"NeXTSTEP as an OS was not "ghetto" by any means."
You sir need to be enlightened on the true meaning of ghetto. A ghetto is any neighborhood where the people are of the same cultural origin. Their is no economic requirement on something being a ghetto. Now the NeXT Platform is a small community of a releatively unified culture. NeXT people tend to be very similar from a computing standpoint. Due to the nature and history of the platform they tend to be developer types and adept with the NeXTSTEP drag and drop gui building stuff.
If you buy something because you think its pretty it isn't an investment, unless you think itys pretty enough for others to obtain income from. An album is a liability, it comes with expenses, electricity to play it and cleaning fluid to maintain it. Then again Slashdot is no placfe for Rich dad, poor dad rants.
As a wanna-be sysadmin that prefers vim in almost all situations, I have to say to each their own, and use the right tool for the right job.
I code VB in vim. I also code in other real languages, and do much work on real OSes before you flame me. Anyway, point is I could probally edit the frm files and use gmake to compile programs all via command line, but I don't. I edit the code modules in vim and use the gui builder to make the forms. It gets the job done faster. I know that the frms are a plain text file and that if I have to do some massive global edit on 100 of them I have sed their as an option for doing it. However, if I want to draw a quick and dirty window to demonstrate my SQL middleware function I'm gonna use the GUI builder. Now I use vim for my html editing because I only make ugly simple html pages and keep them simple enough where I can just use a css to make them pretty. If I did html for a living or cared about presentation, I would learn something like dreamweaver and do it right.
Well considering their using GCC 3.3, aka the august 2003 gc update I don't see why not, unless your using 10.3 specific APIs, and if not tweak with the make files!
Its a great project and its a lot of work, but isnt 'quite there', yet... While I agree with it not being quite "their" yet, understand the slow part is becasue its meant to be a real honest to goodness emulator. This means that no instructions run natively. So I don't see it getting any faster. Thank ${DIETY} for Moores law. Now their is perhaps the possbility of speed improvements, and they would be helpful, but remember that the bochs people are more concerned with being able to intercept singnals and pass them to GDB than speed.
I will grant though that graphic support is real lacking. Last I tried the VNC screen output didnt work on freebsd.
This is your last chance Exiler. BTW, you really should have had your IT people memory wipe those droids. Not that I didn't embed a worm to ghost their original programming back on.
Right Wing foundations want to privatize the government, outlaw abortion, cut taxes for the wealthy, and make sure everyone uses Microsoft. Left wing foundations tend to support the needy, house the homeless, defend civil liberties, invest in the public infrastructure, and other just causes. Oh yeah, and the lefties probably like Linux. Do you think most republicans support open source? Think commie bastards.
I want to shrink governemnt, repeal the income tax, reenstate the inheritance tax, kill Bill Gates with my bare hands, give money to private charities that will support the needy, defend civil liberties, and outlaw abortion. What does that make me?
I suppose I wouldn't get more credibility if I told you I'm currently doing win32 api programming in C. Guess what, I am hardcore OSX/BSD at home, but I have to earn a living. And what exactly is the problem with Java? Ah yes its slow and bloated! Well, it isn't that bad, and getting alot better (kinda like mozilla if you remember the pre 1.0 milestone releases). Yes I can write in perl and C++ as well, but I dont program in perl much and I dont like C++ at all.
Now regardless of my programming skillset, or choice of tools, your statement is implying something to the effect that bad programmers have no right to talk about politics. Good job. And yes I knnow I just took the flame bait.
Ok I said Bush did way to much in terms of helping the economy, hence implying I don't like him. I was hoping for MCain to win. Ideally I'd have like's Alan Keyes to be voted in, but Mcain was a more realistic chance.
Yes I am against alot of increased post september 11th security. Some of it is neccessary. The campaigns in Afganastan and Iraq were, not that I'm implying that Sadam was directly or indirectly involved in the events of terror, just that they were a threat in the war against terror.
Uh, actually, yes it is. And so far, nothing is being done about it. The economy was softening prior to Bush. However, because of Bush's greed and neglect, it has continue to flounder much longer than anyone predicted. And it really isn't getting much better, despite what Fox news insists.
Ok goverments role in the economy is a matter of personal opinion. I think Bush has done to much, but I am very pro small government. How has Bush's greed caused the economy to stagnate. He has investments in oil and energy companies, and has fought to decrease our dependance on foreign oil. most peopel consider that a good thing. He has gotten the oil flowing in iraq, along with basic police, and whatever government we setup wil lbe more free then the government we overthrew. It could be another cuba incident where we give up control too fast and a new dictator takes over, but that has yet to be seen. You want to argue that we should switch to more solar and nuclear power, thats another matter entirely.
Cutting taxes from the rich does not hurt the middle class. If you expect Bush to create jobs, how is he supposed to do thst besides "trickle down." Or I suppose you expect him to build "public works."
So we have a reduction in income taxes, a removal of dividend taxes, all sorts of extensions to unemploymet insurance, and a crackdown on Wall Street corruption. What the hell else do you want?
Now if I let all the immigrannts in this country that are dying for McDonalds jobs, that brings down the standard of living for everyone. From the libeterian point of view this is a good thing, becasue the standard of living for the immigrants goes up. However, your not arguing the libeterian view.
As to working at McDonalds or not working at McDonalds, obvisiously this guy has savings, or credit, or a shit job at McDonalds. The wonderful thing about shit jobs at McDonalds is you get to go home at the end of shift. No staying late to be a team player. He is surviving at the moment, and looking for a "real job." As long as its not off my tax dollars I'm ok with that. And if it is off my tax dollars than obvisiously Bush is doing something about it.
Its not governemts job to fix the economy. If they can help its nice, but the market as a whole always eventually corrects itself. Goverment is one of the forces of the market, not the only force.
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Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
Ok lets burn some karma here
Allowing anyone to reuse code does not nullify the achievements brough about by the code. That is unless your objective is non technical like Stallman's.
Much BSD code has been reused by commercial products. Its a governemnt research project. A government setup by fans of Adam Smith. As such they set forth laws and precedents to encourage capitalism. This eventually evolved into government funding in research and universities that encouraged making technology available to corporations for them to make a profit. This is partially how BSD came about. Remember Berkley is a State school.
One of their objectives was that corporations would steal their code, make better OSes, and cause the American dream of aqquiring lots of nice shiny things to be achieved.
I personally use both Linux and BSD. Here is what I've observed. Decentralized development like Linux gives us innovation. The bazaar model gives you the most options. Thats why Linux has drivers for a zillion file systems, KDE and Gnome are so robust, and linux is the flagship platform for so many projects. However, the Cathedral model excells at polish. Thats why Linux Distros tend to use the Cathadrel approach. Debian and Gentoo being notable exceptions. Most distros have a central authority directing a team of developers to track a set of packages and maintain installer and configuration tools.
Force = mass * acceleration
impulse = mass * velocity.
Gravity is 9.8m/s^2
(mass of you + powerbook) > mass powerbook
The lesson here is you falling on you laptop causes more force and impulse than your laptop falling by itself. This is why your laptop broke.
Well Debian Stable is not exactly the most popular linux distro. Yeah it is a good distro, debs rock, I run fink on panther. However, I think their are many mosre Redhat and SuSE mysql servers out their and that would be a better judge of deployment. Also are we talking servers deployed in the last 6 months or all servers, cause I'm sure for many people Redhat 7.x is good enough cause it was the latest and greatest when the server was built.
Finally, most debian users are running unstable.
I'd discovered Firebird, which does both, is better (no more junkmail, viruses, security risks etc) and is free.
Thunderbird does both. Firebird is for http, gopher, ftp, etc. Thunderbird is similar enough in purpose to be called better. However, their both better.
Um, not to be quarrelsome or anything, but I'm not sure sure you'll find anyone here willing to make that distinction.
I know. It was flame bait and I just wanted to post an educated rebuttal.
Ok lets get my I'm not astroturfing disclaimer out of the way. I'm typing this on a 700mhz iBook running Panther. MMy browser is FireBird. IE:Mac is not installed on my system. My spreadsheet of choice is gnumeric and I use Open Office for my word processing needs on Linux systems at home and Apple Works on my Mac. Now, minus the EULA of Excel and the platform it runs on, WTF is you major problem with it. While those are serious issues, there are a host of applications that have these same issues, and you appear to be singling out Excel people especially. I'd have to say that Excel is number 2 on the list of programs I'd like the source code for from MS. Access is number 1. No spreadsheet out their comes close in terms of programable extenibility and database integration. Sure your stuck with using VBA, but VBA lets you call DLLs and you can write those in any language, using free software compilers!!!
Yes free software is important, yes open source is important. Yes doing anything to hurt the boys at redmond is important. However, your troll seems to attack Excel users in particular. Now, if you can explain why Excel users, and not Word or outLook users need to be sterlized, then go right ahead.
SCO Unixware is Xenix?
You can do Windows programming using vi or emacs if you want to, and compile at the command line.
:make in GVIM. I'm sure you can do similar with emacs, jsut don't know emacs. Vi and Emacs are both good text editors. GVIM and Emacs can both be extended and used as the frameworks for IDEs. When I want something quick and dirty on windows I fire up OpenWatcom, with GVIM as the text editor. When a project grows in complexity I start writing the makefile my self.
If you'd rather do that than use VS then you're insane.
Well, what about Using Vim from within Visual Studio and compiling with VS? Or writing the make file yourself and using
I understand that credit is a complex economic concept, but can't they just live another 8 months without a computer. Perhaps its economic decisions like these that put people in the predicimate where $400 is alot of money, and its not AOLs job to care, but it still baffles my mmind.
And if you practice mopping floors enough and gain a few certifications in bleach and ajax, I'm sure you can become a mop consultant for a fortune 500 company.
"NeXTSTEP as an OS was not "ghetto" by any means."
You sir need to be enlightened on the true meaning of ghetto. A ghetto is any neighborhood where the people are of the same cultural origin. Their is no economic requirement on something being a ghetto. Now the NeXT Platform is a small community of a releatively unified culture. NeXT people tend to be very similar from a computing standpoint. Due to the nature and history of the platform they tend to be developer types and adept with the NeXTSTEP drag and drop gui building stuff.
I was unaware their was a difference minus audio improvements and a chemical bath for the film to brighten up the colors.
That started less than 2 months ago. OS X 10.2 didn't ship with compilers, unless you ordered them specially.
I honestly think the developer market, from the 12 year old newbie to the master guru is all capable of downloading the free developer kit.
If you buy something because you think its pretty it isn't an investment, unless you think itys pretty enough for others to obtain income from. An album is a liability, it comes with expenses, electricity to play it and cleaning fluid to maintain it. Then again Slashdot is no placfe for Rich dad, poor dad rants.
As a wanna-be sysadmin that prefers vim in almost all situations, I have to say to each their own, and use the right tool for the right job.
I code VB in vim. I also code in other real languages, and do much work on real OSes before you flame me. Anyway, point is I could probally edit the frm files and use gmake to compile programs all via command line, but I don't. I edit the code modules in vim and use the gui builder to make the forms. It gets the job done faster. I know that the frms are a plain text file and that if I have to do some massive global edit on 100 of them I have sed their as an option for doing it. However, if I want to draw a quick and dirty window to demonstrate my SQL middleware function I'm gonna use the GUI builder. Now I use vim for my html editing because I only make ugly simple html pages and keep them simple enough where I can just use a css to make them pretty. If I did html for a living or cared about presentation, I would learn something like dreamweaver and do it right.
Well considering their using GCC 3.3, aka the august 2003 gc update I don't see why not, unless your using 10.3 specific APIs, and if not tweak with the make files!
Its a great project and its a lot of work, but isnt 'quite there', yet...
While I agree with it not being quite "their" yet, understand the slow part is becasue its meant to be a real honest to goodness emulator. This means that no instructions run natively. So I don't see it getting any faster. Thank ${DIETY} for Moores law. Now their is perhaps the possbility of speed improvements, and they would be helpful, but remember that the bochs people are more concerned with being able to intercept singnals and pass them to GDB than speed.
I will grant though that graphic support is real lacking. Last I tried the VNC screen output didnt work on freebsd.
This is your last chance Exiler. BTW, you really should have had your IT people memory wipe those droids. Not that I didn't embed a worm to ghost their original programming back on.
Then I cast it at the darkness!
Can I get a mountain dew?
Right Wing foundations want to privatize the government, outlaw abortion, cut taxes for the wealthy, and make sure everyone uses Microsoft. Left wing foundations tend to support the needy, house the homeless, defend civil liberties, invest in the public infrastructure, and other just causes. Oh yeah, and the lefties probably like Linux. Do you think most republicans support open source? Think commie bastards.
I want to shrink governemnt, repeal the income tax, reenstate the inheritance tax, kill Bill Gates with my bare hands, give money to private charities that will support the needy, defend civil liberties, and outlaw abortion. What does that make me?
Repeal of the freaking steel tariffs. They're killing manufacturing.
Reducing goverment, that is an idea I like.
I suppose I wouldn't get more credibility if I told you I'm currently doing win32 api programming in C. Guess what, I am hardcore OSX/BSD at home, but I have to earn a living. And what exactly is the problem with Java? Ah yes its slow and bloated! Well, it isn't that bad, and getting alot better (kinda like mozilla if you remember the pre 1.0 milestone releases). Yes I can write in perl and C++ as well, but I dont program in perl much and I dont like C++ at all.
Now regardless of my programming skillset, or choice of tools, your statement is implying something to the effect that bad programmers have no right to talk about politics. Good job. And yes I knnow I just took the flame bait.
Ok I said Bush did way to much in terms of helping the economy, hence implying I don't like him. I was hoping for MCain to win. Ideally I'd have like's Alan Keyes to be voted in, but Mcain was a more realistic chance. Yes I am against alot of increased post september 11th security. Some of it is neccessary. The campaigns in Afganastan and Iraq were, not that I'm implying that Sadam was directly or indirectly involved in the events of terror, just that they were a threat in the war against terror.
Its not governemts job to fix the economy
Uh, actually, yes it is. And so far, nothing is being done about it. The economy was softening prior to Bush. However, because of Bush's greed and neglect, it has continue to flounder much longer than anyone predicted. And it really isn't getting much better, despite what Fox news insists.
Ok goverments role in the economy is a matter of personal opinion. I think Bush has done to much, but I am very pro small government. How has Bush's greed caused the economy to stagnate. He has investments in oil and energy companies, and has fought to decrease our dependance on foreign oil. most peopel consider that a good thing. He has gotten the oil flowing in iraq, along with basic police, and whatever government we setup wil lbe more free then the government we overthrew. It could be another cuba incident where we give up control too fast and a new dictator takes over, but that has yet to be seen. You want to argue that we should switch to more solar and nuclear power, thats another matter entirely.
Cutting taxes from the rich does not hurt the middle class. If you expect Bush to create jobs, how is he supposed to do thst besides "trickle down." Or I suppose you expect him to build "public works."
So we have a reduction in income taxes, a removal of dividend taxes, all sorts of extensions to unemploymet insurance, and a crackdown on Wall Street corruption. What the hell else do you want?
Now if I let all the immigrannts in this country that are dying for McDonalds jobs, that brings down the standard of living for everyone. From the libeterian point of view this is a good thing, becasue the standard of living for the immigrants goes up. However, your not arguing the libeterian view.
As to working at McDonalds or not working at McDonalds, obvisiously this guy has savings, or credit, or a shit job at McDonalds. The wonderful thing about shit jobs at McDonalds is you get to go home at the end of shift. No staying late to be a team player. He is surviving at the moment, and looking for a "real job." As long as its not off my tax dollars I'm ok with that. And if it is off my tax dollars than obvisiously Bush is doing something about it.
Its not governemts job to fix the economy. If they can help its nice, but the market as a whole always eventually corrects itself. Goverment is one of the forces of the market, not the only force.