I know that its going to come back up when the idiots see the low prices and invest in everything and their mother.
Think of it as a discount sale at your favorite department store. If there is stock you've wanted all along and you have the money right now, why not pick up a few good gems at a discount?
There are a few gems out there and god knows they'll rebound back in the next few months. By the way, this topic sucks.. best left to fool.com or another investment site.:)
Then the aliens who are trapped in a job, if they leave the job, they will have to leave the country, no matter how bad the job becomes. This brings to mind some of the classic imagery from the movie Men in Black
I've been through two companies that assumed they would do well by setting up HQ's in Australia. Australia to a large extent mirrors the US and has a large comfort zone. However, Australians still tend to be significantly clueless when it comes to doing business in Asia.
Any company that is serious about doing business in Asia opens their HQ in Singapore or Hong Kong and possibly rep offices in Japan, Korea and India. Singapore and HK offer a good legal system, geographical proximity (try getting a Malaysian company to agree to arbitration in Australia or visa versa, the travel costs alone would kill you) and multi-lingual local talent that can speak Cantonese, Mandarin and English.
Support from Australia is VERY expensive as it involves hiring multi-lingual people, expensive toll free lines from the various countries and removes the flexibility to negotiate local contracts in local currencies. If you have to pay your employees in Aussie $$'s then you want you customers to pay in Aussie $$'s which is not a good model for a lot of the poorer countries.
Yes, this is true. The Param has been out there for quite a while, running on a SPARC based architecture. This is just one more moron jumping on the Linux bandwagon. Having said this, hopefully it inspires some of the mainstream companies like Wipro etc to jump on and release Linux based platforms. Any publicity is good, however a note to the folks reading about Linux in India for the first time, be paitent, our reporters are just as bad as some of the folks on ZDNET when they began their Linux coverage. With Oracle, Sybase and IBM providing their enterprise class software on Linux, Linux should really be the platform of choice for training computer professionals and students in India. We need a major initiative in India funded by the private industry to take a look at developing Linux as an alternative platform by contributing Hindi and other language capabilities to the code base. I actually find it hard to NOT find a single sector in India which would not benefit from having Linux as the preffered or alternative platform of choice.
hearing the "one billion" people slogan. If that was really the market size of any product in China, the best product would be underarm deodorants... "two billion armpits". I am sure red hat will do well, but I am also sure that they will face very stiff competition from existing companies that have better connections in China. China is a nexus of many things strange to the western mind and unless Red Hat can buy themselves into this nexus, they will not suceed. I would give a grass roots linux distro made in China a much better chance at making it.
Their attitude disgusted me from day one. I hope and pray that they learn their lesson and hopefully this teaches the financial community that not every IPO with the word Linux in it is a hot sizzling opportunity to make money.
I quote some choice lines from their S-1 filing. These folks really need to be whipped!
We are an emerging developer and provider of open source software and services, including the LinuxOne Operating System, which we call "LinuxOne OS". Unlike proprietary software, open source software has publicly available source code and can be copied, modified and distributed with minimal restrictions.
No mention of GPL!
Since it was only introduced in September, 1999, we do not have a history of operations, but we believe it will become one of the more popular Linux-based operating systems in the world.
Yeah right! Hello! How do they plan on doing this? Mailing it to the 2 billion armpits in China?
We seek to establish a position as a leading provider of open source software and services by: - continuing to enhance our web site to create one of the definitive online destinations for the open source community;
And what an awesome begining they've had so far. One of the stalwart figures of the community Bruce Perens has been openly critical about them and has shown no signs of withdrawing his criticism, since LinuxOne has obviously made no effort to involve him or the other leaders in the community.
They then go ahead and list the following risks.
Few open source software products have gained widespread commercial acceptance partly due to the lack of viable open source industry participants to offer adequate service and support on a long-term basis.
Huh???? Apache and Linux have not gained commercial acceptance?
OUR RELIANCE ON THE SUPPORT OF LINUX TORVALDS AND OTHER PROMINENT LINUX DEVELOPERS COULD IMPAIR OUR ABILITY TO RELEASE MAJOR PRODUCT UPGRADES AND ESTABLISH MARKET SHARE.
Enough said.. R.I.P.
Re:Gattaca? Is this an obscure reference?
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Some random thoughts just came into my mind. (Blame it on sleep depravation).
By putting the ability to create life in human hands, "God" has in essence open sourced life (oh wait, I can see Bruce Perens jumping on this misuse of the word!).
Bleah.. end of the religious debate folks, lets start forking life forms and putting them in CVS trees.
We taking ourselves a little bit too seriously when we get indignant about artificially created life? Life has been artificially assisted since ages. Heck, asprins might have created life ages ago by preventing the biblical "Honey I have a headache excuse"....
For some reason I cannot reach the server. Sure ZDNET etc can handle the load but a TON of other servers, running Linux or Windoze do not have the capacity to deal with 50K+ additional users. I think/. should develop some scripting mechanism which sends an e-mail out to the admins of systems which are not well known to be high capacity. The admin then has the priviledge to deny that listing if it is going to bring the server down. Many servers run on virtual hosts and getting/.ed does a lot of harm to folks who also happen to be sharing the servers.
Yes and every moronic company is announcing that they have signed up deals with the Chinese govt. Have we forgotten the "near scam" level PR that LinuxOne launched? Saying that it had signed agreements with the Chinese govt?
Lets look at the press release.... The Chinese government is so enthusiastic about the community ethos behind the open source community that it is making Linux the official operating system of the Peoples Republic of China, thanks to a deal struck with server side computing firm GraphOn.
Excuse me, but the Chinese govt does not make deals with small companies that cannot err... take care of the officials. IBM, SUN and others have spent years (decades infact) building the relationships, donating servers, workstations and other systems to the Universities. I do not expect a small upstart that has signed a deal with a other small upstart companies in China.
I'll wait for the official press release from the Xinhua news agency (but won't be holding my breath) and an official proclamation from a ministry official. Sorry but a silly gwailo executive vice president proclaiming linux's status in China DOES NOT CUT IT!
I for one hardly ever look at the logo's on various websites. Perhaps I am a tad bit cynical about this, but from what I can see, a company pays a certain amount of dollars and gets a logo. Besides I have an fundamental problem with any company that puts an "e" or an "i" anywhere in their name.. they're just going after the hype.
Having said that the first time I noticed TrustE was when the Real Networks hoopla was revealed. Dunno.. perhaps I would be more comfortable if one of the better known non-profit groups took over the role of safeguarding privacy.. the EFF or *shock* ACLU?
I suspect this is related to servers who turn on NT authentication. For whatever that means, this would mean that these are users who are added to the appropriate NT user groups.
First of all, no "e-commerce" site worthy of being in existance uses NT user groups to turn on authentication AND uses IIS. Dell is about the only site that seems to be using IIS (running on Alpha boxen?) but does not use NT authentication.
Also, I cant seem to find an official Microsoft press release on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass however, our friends at ZDNet seem to have another spin on this...
As part of its Windows 2000 pricing changes, Microsoft is "clarifying" its client access license (CAL) policy, says Nash. In the past, Microsoft found many users who should have been paying a CAL fee were not, and vice versa.
So, effective with Windows 2000, Microsoft will charge users a per-user CAL fee if they authenticate against a Windows 2000 Server or Advanced Server. For those who, instead, tend to run multiple browsers against their Windows 2000 servers, Microsoft will charge $1,999 for a new Internet Connector license, giving them the ability to run an unlimited number of Internet clients. Don't think its time to panic yet... for whatever its worth. And yes, I do intend to migrate to W2K, if it support the appropriate DVD hardware on my new Tosh laptop.
Unfortunately the Indian educational system is bound by its British heritage where memory counts for more than creativity. Except for the IITs (Indian Inst of Tech) and a few REC's (Regional Engineering Colleges) most of the other insititutions degrees are worth little. For now the craze in India is "Oracle Operators and Java Monkeys" to quote a friend of mine who is currently in the bodyshopping business in India.
For the longest time Microsoft ran their business with the attitude "If they copy Office, they don't buy Lotus or Wordperfect". And yes, there is virtually no concept of a copyright law in China.
Korea was under significant US and Worldbank pressure to clean up its act and hence I guess MS took advantage of that.
Microsoft will not attempt to ruffle any feathers in China simply because it is recovering from some past 'foot in the mouth' episodes. (They got the double byte enablement of several products destined for China done in Taiwan etc;-))
E-mail me if you're curious.. its about 2am here in HK and I need to catch some sleep.
Just got back from Shenzhen on Monday. Folks, lets get this straight.. NT is free for everyone in China. So are the SDK's, Office, Backoffice and other products from Microsoft.
SANTA CLARA, California--As the architect of the original PalmPilot device and the new Visor handheld from Handspring, Jeff Hawkins has a tip for software and hardware developers: Know when to stop.
Hear! Hear! Folks, the majority of the (non slashdot) world still views the palm as a glorified electronic rolodex which looks oh-so-cool when I whip it out and write down that cute [insert favorite slang for the opposite sex] phone number.
When did writing notes on back of a soggy paper napkin go out of fashion?
Do you really have a couple of hundred MB of information you need when you're walking down the street at [insert time bars shut down in your country]?
Do you realise that the equipment you carry on you is worth more than [insert standard number to feed a child in a generic third world country, for a year]? Cell Phone, PDA, Cool Watch, Expensive Suit [insert disclaimer about ones day job], notebook, expensive sneakers, etc etc?
Having said that, the only organiser / gadget one needs is a micro-VT terminal on a GSM triband phone (telnet in to check your appointment book, time, e-mail, run database query, compose urgent memo to idle secretary) with a GPS addon.;-)
for me to run my own "Get Rich Quick" spam eh? The writer had an opportunity to be humorous about how some folks have made their money (or not!) and lost it. Shri - Looking for a money loosing idea to turn into a dot.com IPO
The scary part is that it would take just one construction worker a hoe to bring down 21 million T1 lines. I seriously hope they're doing work on protecting these cables they plan on building.
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Think of it as a discount sale at your favorite department store. If there is stock you've wanted all along and you have the money right now, why not pick up a few good gems at a discount?
There are a few gems out there and god knows they'll rebound back in the next few months. :)
By the way, this topic sucks.. best left to fool.com or another investment site.
Ugh! Since when are Asian's not a minority in the sense of the word used in the US. :)
Then the aliens who are trapped in a job, if they leave the job, they will have to leave the country, no matter how bad the job becomes.
This brings to mind some of the classic imagery from the movie Men in Black
Any company that is serious about doing business in Asia opens their HQ in Singapore or Hong Kong and possibly rep offices in Japan, Korea and India. Singapore and HK offer a good legal system, geographical proximity (try getting a Malaysian company to agree to arbitration in Australia or visa versa, the travel costs alone would kill you) and multi-lingual local talent that can speak Cantonese, Mandarin and English.
Support from Australia is VERY expensive as it involves hiring multi-lingual people, expensive toll free lines from the various countries and removes the flexibility to negotiate local contracts in local currencies. If you have to pay your employees in Aussie $$'s then you want you customers to pay in Aussie $$'s which is not a good model for a lot of the poorer countries.
Yes, this is true. The Param has been out there for quite a while, running on a SPARC based architecture. This is just one more moron jumping on the Linux bandwagon. Having said this, hopefully it inspires some of the mainstream companies like Wipro etc to jump on and release Linux based platforms. Any publicity is good, however a note to the folks reading about Linux in India for the first time, be paitent, our reporters are just as bad as some of the folks on ZDNET when they began their Linux coverage. With Oracle, Sybase and IBM providing their enterprise class software on Linux, Linux should really be the platform of choice for training computer professionals and students in India. We need a major initiative in India funded by the private industry to take a look at developing Linux as an alternative platform by contributing Hindi and other language capabilities to the code base. I actually find it hard to NOT find a single sector in India which would not benefit from having Linux as the preffered or alternative platform of choice.
It was actually banned because the boneheads at Microsoft did the double byte enable work in Taiwan. Not because it was insecure.
I've got about 8 domains on Dreamhost for the last 9 months. I selected them from an advert I saw here on /.
hearing the "one billion" people slogan. If that was really the market size of any product in China, the best product would be underarm deodorants... "two billion armpits". I am sure red hat will do well, but I am also sure that they will face very stiff competition from existing companies that have better connections in China. China is a nexus of many things strange to the western mind and unless Red Hat can buy themselves into this nexus, they will not suceed. I would give a grass roots linux distro made in China a much better chance at making it.
I quote some choice lines from their S-1 filing. These folks really need to be whipped!
We are an emerging developer and provider of open source software and services, including the LinuxOne Operating System, which we call "LinuxOne OS". Unlike proprietary software, open source software has publicly available source code and can be copied, modified and distributed with minimal restrictions.
No mention of GPL!
Since it was only introduced in September, 1999, we do not have a history of operations, but we believe it will become one of the more popular Linux-based operating systems in the world.
Yeah right! Hello! How do they plan on doing this? Mailing it to the 2 billion armpits in China?
We seek to establish a position as a leading provider of open source software and services by: - continuing to enhance our web site to create one of the definitive online destinations for the open source community;
And what an awesome begining they've had so far. One of the stalwart figures of the community Bruce Perens has been openly critical about them and has shown no signs of withdrawing his criticism, since LinuxOne has obviously made no effort to involve him or the other leaders in the community.
They then go ahead and list the following risks.
Few open source software products have gained widespread commercial acceptance partly due to the lack of viable open source industry participants to offer adequate service and support on a long-term basis.
Huh???? Apache and Linux have not gained commercial acceptance?
OUR RELIANCE ON THE SUPPORT OF LINUX TORVALDS AND OTHER PROMINENT LINUX DEVELOPERS COULD IMPAIR OUR ABILITY TO RELEASE MAJOR PRODUCT UPGRADES AND ESTABLISH MARKET SHARE.
Enough saidOops... The link to Gattaca
Perhaps I didn't detect any sarcasm here or I am humor impaired. Take a look on . Brilliant movie.. its out on DVD available at *gasp* Amazon ;)
By putting the ability to create life in human hands, "God" has in essence open sourced life (oh wait, I can see Bruce Perens jumping on this misuse of the word!).
Bleah.. end of the religious debate folks, lets start forking life forms and putting them in CVS trees.
We taking ourselves a little bit too seriously when we get indignant about artificially created life? Life has been artificially assisted since ages. Heck, asprins might have created life ages ago by preventing the biblical "Honey I have a headache excuse"....
For some reason I cannot reach the server. Sure ZDNET etc can handle the load but a TON of other servers, running Linux or Windoze do not have the capacity to deal with 50K+ additional users. I think /. should develop some scripting mechanism which sends an e-mail out to the admins of systems which are not well known to be high capacity. The admin then has the priviledge to deny that listing if it is going to bring the server down. Many servers run on virtual hosts and getting /.ed does a lot of harm to folks who also happen to be sharing the servers.
ipw crowdedtheater.com gives me.
Well folks.. there IS a number there to call.
OLM,LLC (NETBLK-OLM-03)
3080 Ogden Ave
Milford, CT 06460
Netname: OLM-03
Netblock: 216.71.0.0 - 216.71.223.255
Maintainer: OLM
Coordinator:
Administrator, Dns (DA16-ARIN) dns@AXXS.NET
630-357-8538 (FAX) 630-357-8545
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
NS.HOST4U.NET 207.58.117.9
NS2.HOST4U.NET 209.150.128.15
ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
Record last updated on 23-Nov-1999.
Database last updated on 24-Nov-1999 03:52:20 EDT.
Lets look at the press release.... The Chinese government is so enthusiastic about the community ethos behind the open source community that it is making Linux the official operating system of the Peoples Republic of China, thanks to a deal struck with server side computing firm GraphOn.
Excuse me, but the Chinese govt does not make deals with small companies that cannot err ... take care of the officials. IBM, SUN and others have spent years (decades infact) building the relationships, donating servers, workstations and other systems to the Universities. I do not expect a small upstart that has signed a deal with a other small upstart companies in China.
I'll wait for the official press release from the Xinhua news agency (but won't be holding my breath) and an official proclamation from a ministry official. Sorry but a silly gwailo executive vice president proclaiming linux's status in China DOES NOT CUT IT!
Having said that the first time I noticed TrustE was when the Real Networks hoopla was revealed. Dunno .. perhaps I would be more comfortable if one of the better known non-profit groups took over the role of safeguarding privacy.. the EFF or *shock* ACLU?
And pray tell.. where can I download it from the site. Checked about half a dozen links and could not find it.
First of all, no "e-commerce" site worthy of being in existance uses NT user groups to turn on authentication AND uses IIS. Dell is about the only site that seems to be using IIS (running on Alpha boxen?) but does not use NT authentication.
Also, I cant seem to find an official Microsoft press release on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass however, our friends at ZDNet seem to have another spin on this...
As part of its Windows 2000 pricing changes, Microsoft is "clarifying" its client access license (CAL) policy, says Nash. In the past, Microsoft found many users who should have been paying a CAL fee were not, and vice versa.
So, effective with Windows 2000, Microsoft will charge users a per-user CAL fee if they authenticate against a Windows 2000 Server or Advanced Server. For those who, instead, tend to run multiple browsers against their Windows 2000 servers, Microsoft will charge $1,999 for a new Internet Connector license, giving them the ability to run an unlimited number of Internet clients. Don't think its time to panic yet... for whatever its worth. And yes, I do intend to migrate to W2K, if it support the appropriate DVD hardware on my new Tosh laptop.
Unfortunately the Indian educational system is bound by its British heritage where memory counts for more than creativity. Except for the IITs (Indian Inst of Tech) and a few REC's (Regional Engineering Colleges) most of the other insititutions degrees are worth little. For now the craze in India is "Oracle Operators and Java Monkeys" to quote a friend of mine who is currently in the bodyshopping business in India.
Korea was under significant US and Worldbank pressure to clean up its act and hence I guess MS took advantage of that.
Microsoft will not attempt to ruffle any feathers in China simply because it is recovering from some past 'foot in the mouth' episodes. (They got the double byte enablement of several products destined for China done in Taiwan etc ;-))
E-mail me if you're curious .. its about 2am here in HK and I need to catch some sleep.
Linux is not a factor here.
Hear! Hear! Folks, the majority of the (non slashdot) world still views the palm as a glorified electronic rolodex which looks oh-so-cool when I whip it out and write down that cute [insert favorite slang for the opposite sex] phone number.
When did writing notes on back of a soggy paper napkin go out of fashion?
Do you really have a couple of hundred MB of information you need when you're walking down the street at [insert time bars shut down in your country]?
Do you realise that the equipment you carry on you is worth more than [insert standard number to feed a child in a generic third world country, for a year]? Cell Phone, PDA, Cool Watch, Expensive Suit [insert disclaimer about ones day job], notebook, expensive sneakers, etc etc?
Having said that, the only organiser / gadget one needs is a micro-VT terminal on a GSM triband phone (telnet in to check your appointment book, time, e-mail, run database query, compose urgent memo to idle secretary) with a GPS addon. ;-)
for me to run my own "Get Rich Quick" spam eh? The writer had an opportunity to be humorous about how some folks have made their money (or not!) and lost it. Shri - Looking for a money loosing idea to turn into a dot.com IPO
Several years senior folks at Microsoft would insist "I would rather they use a copy of MS Office illegally, than use a copy of Wordperfect etc". :)
The scary part is that it would take just one construction worker a hoe to bring down 21 million T1 lines. I seriously hope they're doing work on protecting these cables they plan on building.