I have a v2. They are absolutely the ideal tool for this kind of thing. Baby monitor, cordless phone, microwave oven, etc... it'll catch it all and show you the quietest spot to set up your network.
Pay to watch Youtube videos? Why not go to any of the zillion other streaming video sites instead? Lately I'm getting ready to do that anyway since I'm sick and tired of closing a popover banner ad every time I watch a freaking video clip.
I'm not a programmer, though I've enjoyed coding in various languages for hobby and as a student...
Pointers can burn in helllllll... other than that, I'm kind of torn - I always enjoyed coding things as small and efficient as I was able, and even reusing variables for something else once I was done with them to avoid taking up ONE MORE BYTE of precious RAM, haha... on the other hand, when I first played with VB.NET I was enamoured with IntelliSense and the way I could just think up and idea for a program and then bang it out like I had an assistant handing me the right tools from my toolbox instead of wasting time chasing forgotten semicolons, or trying to make sure I was always using the right operators to refer to memory pointers, or in some cases, just trying to kludge a method to get some data passed to a function and back.
So there are things to be said for both program efficiency and programmer efficiency, and it really depends on the project. I still think it would be fun to go into firmware or PLC programming some time to take advantage of small, efficient, reliable code on a limited set of resources though. There is a certain beauty to an elegant solution that can be more easily understood and appreciated by others on a smaller project.
My first Linux experience was Redhat 6.2 on a Pentium 100 with 32MB RAM. I spent two days tweaking my XF86 config file to get it to display on my monitor at 800x600, including the time it took to learn emacs/vi. When I finally got it up and running, I tried to play some MP3s in the background with something that looked like a copy of Winamp, but unlike Winamp, the sound stuttered if I did anything more than simply play the file, and multitasking seemed to result in a kernel panic.
Since then, I've tried newer Redhats, Dragonlinux, Phatlinux, a few Mandrakes, Gentoo (never became bootable), and a few generations of Ubuntu... I use Ubuntu on my OLPC XO-1 because it beats the Sugar interface, and the package manager is first class... but that's about it. Elsewhere it's still XP and OSX.
I feel what you're saying here... I was born in the very early 80s and wanted to go into IT... pretty much my entire life. Back then, if you could program and do some basic maintenance, you were essentially regarded as a computer guru in many places. That was great since I've enjoyed programming since about grade 5 on.
I self-taught QBasic and went back to understand GW-Basic well enough. In high school I took Prograph CPX (meh. visual flowchart language we had on the Macs there - only option for programming 20) and then the next year I got my first taste of C++ and was always enjoying it, getting high marks, and completing assignments before the next ones were even available.
I got into college, learned a bit of Java, C++, VB.NET, JavaScript, and Perl....but ultimately no one cares about any of that. I haven't been a professional programmer for 4+ years, so no one wants to hire me for it - they'll just outsource the low-level stuff. So now, I'm a technical support analyst - installing disk images on PCs, doing misc repairs and troubleshooting, phone support, etc. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's certainly not the part of IT I've always been passionate about, and I have no intention of doing this forever. But... the world has changed a lot since I started my pursuit of the industry, and now I guess my skills are a dime a dozen.
I'm also trained at a basic level for things like database design and administration, network planning and configuration using various technologies and topologies, systems analysis and design, and project management - but realistically no one's going to hire someone straight into that with just a college diploma. The thing is I can't see any promotion paths leading up to that anymore either since you can't just be "the IT guy" and move up from there anymore. My coworkers in tech support variously have MCSEs, electrical engineering degrees, or even a decade or more of experience and they're not going anywhere either.
(I am now planning to self train and specialize on a growing niche field though to see if I can hop over to it. If not... it should be fun learning anyway! The problem is that everyone is a specialist now, and no one hires newbies in anything!)
I actually did that. No ABS so I'm more cognizant of proper braking force and stopping distance after skidding a few times. More aware of road conditions and traction. Highly attentive of all lanes around me as people love to swing over into my lane without signalling. Even though I never intended to drive a manual transmission, I got plenty of practice starting uphill and shifting, and even think it could be fun in a car now... though the only setback is that I think someone should really master bicycles in daily use before moving to a motorcycle. I rode my bicycles for two icy winters before getting a motorbike and it really helped get a feel for the physics of different accidental slides and how to apply correct power on a slippery surface.
But I do really think the motorbike made me a more conscious and alert car driver.
This is true. I did a 2 year CS diploma in college, and I pretty much had to live off savings because the workload was so intense I had zero social life. I didn't even know what the inside of the student lounge looked like. The only people I met the whole time were immediate classmates.
Now I'm doing basic tech support, wondering how to move up since I don't want to do this the rest of my life. A university degree is a nice thought, but the debt would ruin me and I don't have 4 years free to not work. In any case, my coworkers have university degrees or diplomas from technical colleges and they're in the same boat as me...
I find the "fairest" games are very simple, and their mechanics are easily understood by all parties involved.
Also, of course, net code must be very efficient, reliable, and well thought out. Back when I played Counter-Strike, I'd class it as a very fair game (not counting the ubiquitous hacks and scripts) because most players quickly learn the whole layout of every map they are likely to play on, and the characteristics of every gun, so it just comes down to how you make use of it all. On the other hand, the netcode ruins it - I have countless memories of walking up to someone who's not moving, shooting them in the head 20-30 times from a foot away, then I'd spontaneously die as they instantly teleport somewhere else and start moving again because the server counted their shots and not mine (and they'd be the ones lagging!)
But for all their imbalances, I like fighting games and racing games for competetive play because their mechanics are very openly laid bare for all to understand and make use of.
How about paying for a basic programming package, then paying a premium for specific channels, then still having about a third of the airtime devoted to repetetive mindless commercials that are CRANKED SUPER LOUD SO YOU HEAR THEM IN THE NEXT ROOM, THEY WAKE YOU UP, OR YOU CAN'T TALK OVER THEM?
Forget that, I'll just download a show over bittorrent in sometimes better than realtime speeds.
I think the massive development costs for epaper are unwarranted. It was a great idea, but too hard to do, and people's minds were already set on doing it in the old microcapsule way.
The OLPC screen designed by Mary Lou Jepsen is pretty great - the only issue is that the material on the back of the screen reflects the light at too pure an angle - if it were a bit more diffuse it would be a perfect e-paper alternative. In sunlight or bright ambient light it's incredible, and it's quite low power. If color is needed, at the cost of a bit of fuzziness it can display color images and video very well.
I'm keeping my eye on her new project, Pixel Qi. Personally though, I've been happy reading books on my HandSpring Visor, Sony Clie PEG-SJ33, PSP (with homebrew "KittyBook"), and now Stanza on my iPod Touch. I don't really need a paperlike display since I grew up reading textfiles on my home PC anyway.
haha... same here. When I got SF4 I got a huge blister on my left thumb in the first day... just like I used to on the PSX when a new fighter would come out. I took it easy for a day, and while it's still visible, it's all flat callus now.
Seriously, in what, 40+ years of home game consoles, media is freaking out over this one girl - and she was fine 2 weeks later. It's hilarious.
I remember watching this happen in the late 90s in video game hardware. For the expansion port on the PlayStation, you could get GameShark copies that always seemed to use a Japanese hobbyist firmware called "Caetla." Eventually you could get "plug in mod chips" that used the same port and allowed backup and import games to boot. Then you could get modules that did both. There were also units that played GameBoy games - definitely not an officially licensed product. Eventually you could get GameShark/GoldFinger modules that play GameBoy games. I also had a totally unlicensed card that let the PSX play back VideoCDs. I think eventually they started putting GameSharks into VCD cards...
All of this stuff was unlicensed and untraceable to whoever made it, often made by copying copies, and sometimes they'd have version numbers higher than what technically existed, just so people would buy the "newer" versions.
Even if the mosquitoes were all "clean," it was an irresponsible thing to do - what if some of them had (have?) spread blood-borne diseases between attendees? You wouldn't get away with bringing clean syringes and then poking three people at random with each one.
Fairly true, but Bittorrent is typically even shorter-lived than FTP servers; once people lose interest in a torrent, it dies off and is lost until someone makes a new one.
I think likewise, with pirates, what they post will only be available as long as there is a sizable interest in it. Even "retro" software will lose its followings in time. I think there is somewhere from zero to one known surviving MS-DOS 1.0 disks. While we can look back and see what life was like in the 20s and 30s, it's possible the 90s and 00s will be more ambiguous despite being captured more than any prior generations.
I got a locked phone on a plan in Canada, and the shutter sound was locked on. It was a Moto KRZR, and going into the firmware's file system and deleting the sound disabled it. I've never used it immorally, but it was loud and obnoxious to listen to so I killed it.
If they make this mandatory for standalone cameras I imagine there will be an outcry from nature photographers.
Very well put. I do IT support in a college these days, so to put it in perspective, when someone misses what seems like basic tech knowlege, I think a) What do they NEED to know about computers in their job? b) What do I know about THEIR job? Could I be a psychologist, nurse, heavy equipment technician, chemist, etc with my current knowledge? Then why should I expect them to know how to do my job?
Sometimes my clients will tell me that they appreciate how I'm very patient and methodical with them - I just explain that everyone can't know everything. People who close their brains and think "no! I don't know computers!" no matter what you tell them annoy me, but if you can assess what someone knows, then explain the basics and work your way up, it's often pretty effective.
No, I will second that. Regardless of what the tubes themselves cycle at, the overall units hum at 60Hz quite audibly in some cases. It's not faint or ambiguous in the least.
Precisely. I'm not docked the time it takes me to walk between points in the building. The employees can't help what software the company puts on their PCs. You also don't have that time to yourself - you have to be at work to start it.
I can't believe some employers would even try that...
After hearing about the backdoor kill switch, the platform became irrelevant to me in the first place.:/ Sad because I was looking forward to it. I guess there must be a way to block that though, right? Unless software updates remove the remover remover? *looks at last sentence* Wow... it's just not worth the effort to even begin that fight...
PowerVR? Nice! The Dreamcast used a chipset by them, and what it could do with textures absolutely wiped the floor with the PS2. No idea what they're up to now though...
But it looks pretty atrocious, my craving for subnotebooks was sated by the iPod Touch, and for that price, it had better run all commercial PSP AND DS games, because I wouldn't pay that much for an open homebrew system when I have cheaper closed but hacked systems that also run homebrew code.:/
Like OpenMoko, I admire their effort and wish them well, but don't actually want the product offered...
Does anyone else remember that study Google did on hard disk reliability a while ago that indicated no strong relation between temperature and failure rate? (I think there was also little relation between heavy use and failure - if it was going to fail in the test period, it was going to fail regardless of load.)
As for chips... keep them from burning. Keep fans from dying of heat (what?) and it should be ok...
Of course I'd much rather have a cool datacenter just to err on the safe side, but I can see the hardware withstanding it if things are out of dangerous ranges.
Actually... I had a Sony Clie PEG-SJ33 before this, so it really feels like the same thing but the newest iteration. The Clie would play MP3s (but failed on many), could play videos after I converted them for Kinoma player (I still convert them for the iPod Touch and some still fail despite being formatted for the pod and playable on PC.) I read books on either. Play games. Install unofficial apps/hacks. It's about the same size, hi-res (320x480 instead of I think 320x320?), color screen... good battery for one day of moderate hard use.
But I do really miss having cut/copy/paste. Apple needs to get their heads straight there. This is really a PDA, not a mere MP3 player. If I can use text, I need copy and paste! I mean... that's a fundamental of any decent GUI now. No, come to think of it, I used it a lot before I had a GUI...
I use a western-shaped Hanja keyboard for Korean, and for Japanese, kind of a txting like grid keyboard that I tap multiple times to cycle through the "AIUEO" of each sound and a couple multifunction keys like dakuten/handakuten/small, "wa/wo/nn/-", and maru/Japanese comma/?/!. Ya/yu/yo switches to small versions after cycling through full sized... it's quite usable and intuitive.
But the kanji lookup is SLOOOOOOOW. So slow it slows my typing down. "*tap tap... taptaptaptap...* HEEEEY! YO!!!! WAKE UPPPPP!!! *massive backlog of random kana floods out with a page of suggestions for kanji/sentence particles*" Then, a lot of the interface is laggy like OSX - it does nothing, but you have no way of telling if it knows you wanted something done... then all the backlogged commands are processed in an instant. Still, I do love the thing. Finest PDA yet for me. I was a long time PalmOS guy and WinCE/Mobile was NOT looking attractive even nowadays.
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I have a v2. They are absolutely the ideal tool for this kind of thing. Baby monitor, cordless phone, microwave oven, etc... it'll catch it all and show you the quietest spot to set up your network.
Pay to watch Youtube videos? Why not go to any of the zillion other streaming video sites instead?
Lately I'm getting ready to do that anyway since I'm sick and tired of closing a popover banner ad every time I watch a freaking video clip.
I'm not a programmer, though I've enjoyed coding in various languages for hobby and as a student...
Pointers can burn in helllllll... other than that, I'm kind of torn - I always enjoyed coding things as small and efficient as I was able, and even reusing variables for something else once I was done with them to avoid taking up ONE MORE BYTE of precious RAM, haha... on the other hand, when I first played with VB.NET I was enamoured with IntelliSense and the way I could just think up and idea for a program and then bang it out like I had an assistant handing me the right tools from my toolbox instead of wasting time chasing forgotten semicolons, or trying to make sure I was always using the right operators to refer to memory pointers, or in some cases, just trying to kludge a method to get some data passed to a function and back.
So there are things to be said for both program efficiency and programmer efficiency, and it really depends on the project. I still think it would be fun to go into firmware or PLC programming some time to take advantage of small, efficient, reliable code on a limited set of resources though. There is a certain beauty to an elegant solution that can be more easily understood and appreciated by others on a smaller project.
My first Linux experience was Redhat 6.2 on a Pentium 100 with 32MB RAM.
I spent two days tweaking my XF86 config file to get it to display on my monitor at 800x600, including the time it took to learn emacs/vi. When I finally got it up and running, I tried to play some MP3s in the background with something that looked like a copy of Winamp, but unlike Winamp, the sound stuttered if I did anything more than simply play the file, and multitasking seemed to result in a kernel panic.
Since then, I've tried newer Redhats, Dragonlinux, Phatlinux, a few Mandrakes, Gentoo (never became bootable), and a few generations of Ubuntu... I use Ubuntu on my OLPC XO-1 because it beats the Sugar interface, and the package manager is first class... but that's about it. Elsewhere it's still XP and OSX.
I feel what you're saying here... I was born in the very early 80s and wanted to go into IT... pretty much my entire life. Back then, if you could program and do some basic maintenance, you were essentially regarded as a computer guru in many places. That was great since I've enjoyed programming since about grade 5 on.
I self-taught QBasic and went back to understand GW-Basic well enough. In high school I took Prograph CPX (meh. visual flowchart language we had on the Macs there - only option for programming 20) and then the next year I got my first taste of C++ and was always enjoying it, getting high marks, and completing assignments before the next ones were even available.
I got into college, learned a bit of Java, C++, VB.NET, JavaScript, and Perl. ...but ultimately no one cares about any of that. I haven't been a professional programmer for 4+ years, so no one wants to hire me for it - they'll just outsource the low-level stuff. So now, I'm a technical support analyst - installing disk images on PCs, doing misc repairs and troubleshooting, phone support, etc. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's certainly not the part of IT I've always been passionate about, and I have no intention of doing this forever. But... the world has changed a lot since I started my pursuit of the industry, and now I guess my skills are a dime a dozen.
I'm also trained at a basic level for things like database design and administration, network planning and configuration using various technologies and topologies, systems analysis and design, and project management - but realistically no one's going to hire someone straight into that with just a college diploma. The thing is I can't see any promotion paths leading up to that anymore either since you can't just be "the IT guy" and move up from there anymore. My coworkers in tech support variously have MCSEs, electrical engineering degrees, or even a decade or more of experience and they're not going anywhere either.
(I am now planning to self train and specialize on a growing niche field though to see if I can hop over to it. If not... it should be fun learning anyway! The problem is that everyone is a specialist now, and no one hires newbies in anything!)
I actually did that. No ABS so I'm more cognizant of proper braking force and stopping distance after skidding a few times. More aware of road conditions and traction. Highly attentive of all lanes around me as people love to swing over into my lane without signalling. Even though I never intended to drive a manual transmission, I got plenty of practice starting uphill and shifting, and even think it could be fun in a car now... though the only setback is that I think someone should really master bicycles in daily use before moving to a motorcycle. I rode my bicycles for two icy winters before getting a motorbike and it really helped get a feel for the physics of different accidental slides and how to apply correct power on a slippery surface.
But I do really think the motorbike made me a more conscious and alert car driver.
I have a several year old 7MP camera.
I'd happily take a 5MP camera that I can shoot freehand and not have to hold it rock solid to avoid blurring.
This is true. I did a 2 year CS diploma in college, and I pretty much had to live off savings because the workload was so intense I had zero social life. I didn't even know what the inside of the student lounge looked like. The only people I met the whole time were immediate classmates.
Now I'm doing basic tech support, wondering how to move up since I don't want to do this the rest of my life. A university degree is a nice thought, but the debt would ruin me and I don't have 4 years free to not work. In any case, my coworkers have university degrees or diplomas from technical colleges and they're in the same boat as me...
I find the "fairest" games are very simple, and their mechanics are easily understood by all parties involved.
Also, of course, net code must be very efficient, reliable, and well thought out. Back when I played Counter-Strike, I'd class it as a very fair game (not counting the ubiquitous hacks and scripts) because most players quickly learn the whole layout of every map they are likely to play on, and the characteristics of every gun, so it just comes down to how you make use of it all. On the other hand, the netcode ruins it - I have countless memories of walking up to someone who's not moving, shooting them in the head 20-30 times from a foot away, then I'd spontaneously die as they instantly teleport somewhere else and start moving again because the server counted their shots and not mine (and they'd be the ones lagging!)
But for all their imbalances, I like fighting games and racing games for competetive play because their mechanics are very openly laid bare for all to understand and make use of.
How about paying for a basic programming package, then paying a premium for specific channels, then still having about a third of the airtime devoted to repetetive mindless commercials that are CRANKED SUPER LOUD SO YOU HEAR THEM IN THE NEXT ROOM, THEY WAKE YOU UP, OR YOU CAN'T TALK OVER THEM?
Forget that, I'll just download a show over bittorrent in sometimes better than realtime speeds.
I think the massive development costs for epaper are unwarranted. It was a great idea, but too hard to do, and people's minds were already set on doing it in the old microcapsule way.
The OLPC screen designed by Mary Lou Jepsen is pretty great - the only issue is that the material on the back of the screen reflects the light at too pure an angle - if it were a bit more diffuse it would be a perfect e-paper alternative. In sunlight or bright ambient light it's incredible, and it's quite low power. If color is needed, at the cost of a bit of fuzziness it can display color images and video very well.
I'm keeping my eye on her new project, Pixel Qi. Personally though, I've been happy reading books on my HandSpring Visor, Sony Clie PEG-SJ33, PSP (with homebrew "KittyBook"), and now Stanza on my iPod Touch. I don't really need a paperlike display since I grew up reading textfiles on my home PC anyway.
haha... same here. When I got SF4 I got a huge blister on my left thumb in the first day... just like I used to on the PSX when a new fighter would come out. I took it easy for a day, and while it's still visible, it's all flat callus now.
Seriously, in what, 40+ years of home game consoles, media is freaking out over this one girl - and she was fine 2 weeks later. It's hilarious.
I remember watching this happen in the late 90s in video game hardware. For the expansion port on the PlayStation, you could get GameShark copies that always seemed to use a Japanese hobbyist firmware called "Caetla." Eventually you could get "plug in mod chips" that used the same port and allowed backup and import games to boot. Then you could get modules that did both. There were also units that played GameBoy games - definitely not an officially licensed product. Eventually you could get GameShark/GoldFinger modules that play GameBoy games. I also had a totally unlicensed card that let the PSX play back VideoCDs. I think eventually they started putting GameSharks into VCD cards...
All of this stuff was unlicensed and untraceable to whoever made it, often made by copying copies, and sometimes they'd have version numbers higher than what technically existed, just so people would buy the "newer" versions.
But this was even going on before 2000.
Even if the mosquitoes were all "clean," it was an irresponsible thing to do - what if some of them had (have?) spread blood-borne diseases between attendees? You wouldn't get away with bringing clean syringes and then poking three people at random with each one.
I think it's really because so many people loathe it, and they can charge $50 extra for matte now.
Fairly true, but Bittorrent is typically even shorter-lived than FTP servers; once people lose interest in a torrent, it dies off and is lost until someone makes a new one.
I think likewise, with pirates, what they post will only be available as long as there is a sizable interest in it. Even "retro" software will lose its followings in time. I think there is somewhere from zero to one known surviving MS-DOS 1.0 disks. While we can look back and see what life was like in the 20s and 30s, it's possible the 90s and 00s will be more ambiguous despite being captured more than any prior generations.
I got a locked phone on a plan in Canada, and the shutter sound was locked on.
It was a Moto KRZR, and going into the firmware's file system and deleting the sound disabled it. I've never used it immorally, but it was loud and obnoxious to listen to so I killed it.
If they make this mandatory for standalone cameras I imagine there will be an outcry from nature photographers.
Very well put.
I do IT support in a college these days, so to put it in perspective, when someone misses what seems like basic tech knowlege, I think
a) What do they NEED to know about computers in their job?
b) What do I know about THEIR job? Could I be a psychologist, nurse, heavy equipment technician, chemist, etc with my current knowledge? Then why should I expect them to know how to do my job?
Sometimes my clients will tell me that they appreciate how I'm very patient and methodical with them - I just explain that everyone can't know everything. People who close their brains and think "no! I don't know computers!" no matter what you tell them annoy me, but if you can assess what someone knows, then explain the basics and work your way up, it's often pretty effective.
No, I will second that. Regardless of what the tubes themselves cycle at, the overall units hum at 60Hz quite audibly in some cases. It's not faint or ambiguous in the least.
Precisely. I'm not docked the time it takes me to walk between points in the building. The employees can't help what software the company puts on their PCs. You also don't have that time to yourself - you have to be at work to start it.
I can't believe some employers would even try that...
After hearing about the backdoor kill switch, the platform became irrelevant to me in the first place. :/
Sad because I was looking forward to it. I guess there must be a way to block that though, right? Unless software updates remove the remover remover?
*looks at last sentence*
Wow... it's just not worth the effort to even begin that fight...
PowerVR? Nice!
The Dreamcast used a chipset by them, and what it could do with textures absolutely wiped the floor with the PS2. No idea what they're up to now though...
But it looks pretty atrocious, my craving for subnotebooks was sated by the iPod Touch, and for that price, it had better run all commercial PSP AND DS games, because I wouldn't pay that much for an open homebrew system when I have cheaper closed but hacked systems that also run homebrew code. :/
Like OpenMoko, I admire their effort and wish them well, but don't actually want the product offered...
Does anyone else remember that study Google did on hard disk reliability a while ago that indicated no strong relation between temperature and failure rate? (I think there was also little relation between heavy use and failure - if it was going to fail in the test period, it was going to fail regardless of load.)
As for chips... keep them from burning. Keep fans from dying of heat (what?) and it should be ok...
Of course I'd much rather have a cool datacenter just to err on the safe side, but I can see the hardware withstanding it if things are out of dangerous ranges.
Actually... I had a Sony Clie PEG-SJ33 before this, so it really feels like the same thing but the newest iteration. The Clie would play MP3s (but failed on many), could play videos after I converted them for Kinoma player (I still convert them for the iPod Touch and some still fail despite being formatted for the pod and playable on PC.) I read books on either. Play games. Install unofficial apps/hacks. It's about the same size, hi-res (320x480 instead of I think 320x320?), color screen... good battery for one day of moderate hard use.
But I do really miss having cut/copy/paste. Apple needs to get their heads straight there. This is really a PDA, not a mere MP3 player. If I can use text, I need copy and paste! I mean... that's a fundamental of any decent GUI now. No, come to think of it, I used it a lot before I had a GUI...
I use a western-shaped Hanja keyboard for Korean, and for Japanese, kind of a txting like grid keyboard that I tap multiple times to cycle through the "AIUEO" of each sound and a couple multifunction keys like dakuten/handakuten/small, "wa/wo/nn/-", and maru/Japanese comma/?/!. Ya/yu/yo switches to small versions after cycling through full sized... it's quite usable and intuitive.
But the kanji lookup is SLOOOOOOOW. So slow it slows my typing down. "*tap tap... taptaptaptap...* HEEEEY! YO!!!! WAKE UPPPPP!!! *massive backlog of random kana floods out with a page of suggestions for kanji/sentence particles*" Then, a lot of the interface is laggy like OSX - it does nothing, but you have no way of telling if it knows you wanted something done... then all the backlogged commands are processed in an instant. Still, I do love the thing. Finest PDA yet for me. I was a long time PalmOS guy and WinCE/Mobile was NOT looking attractive even nowadays.