Second, I'm going to reserve my judgement either way untill this device has been hauled into a credible (I.E. non-fossile-fuel paid) lab for testing.
Perhaps he actually did it, perhaps not. He may just be a nut, he may be the current version of Tesla.
As for his statement about perpetual motion... The story gives no idea if there's any motion at all in the mechanical sense. So, instead of just knee jerking and saying that it's a load of crap so it's not worth looking at, people should say "let's test the device and see if it does what the inventor says it does." Get that thing up on a platform, make sure there's no hidden power leads, have a disinterested third party take a look at the insides for batteries and the sort, and if it passes all those, run it under a load and see if it runs down. Would be quite a simple test, and more conclusive than the attitude of "You can't break the laws of physics so it's a load of bull." Over time in physics as with any science 'laws' are changed to fit what is currently known. A new thing/way pops up that violates those laws will require a complete rethinking of laws that scientists have come to consider unbreakable canon, and will cause them to have to throw out works of theirs that use the laws that have become invalid.
So, it's completely in the best interest of the fossile fuel industry, and 'big science' that this device be disproved using any means possible.
Before anybody takes it seriously enough to put it to the test.
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Anybody that tries to pass a psychosomatic illness off as a scientifically supported effect of qualifies as a nut, and should be treated as such with high doses of disbelief and taunting.
Sounds like a good enough reason to have an ordinance that banned wall sockets, and a class action suit against those that manufacture them for marketing a dangerous item.
The only machines you have any right to port scan are your own or those you admin. There's no 'right' to scan someone elses network just as there's no right to go down a street trying all the door/windows to see if any are unlocked.
It just shows a basic lack of the expected civilized behavior of keeping your filthy hands off of what doesn't belong to you.
Makes me wonder where the United States get's off. We complained when the Soviets bugged the embassy they were building for it in the former Soviet Union. Then it turns around and does this. Welcome to the Neo-Soviet Union comrads!
You are all wrong regarding IBM and it's PC line breakup, and Bill Gates. Bill Gates creation of DOS (port of CP/M actually) is what gave the IBM Personal Computer at that time what it needed to get out into the market... an operating system. He didn't destroy IBM, he made what is now widely (if not undeservedly) the 'PC' or 'personal computer'.
What broke the IBM PC line was it's design which allowed other companies to reverse engineer the product and build their own version with off the shelf parts, improve on the design, and compete with IBM in it's target marketplace.
They only want anonymity for themselves, but for nobody else. The whole anonymity on the net thing has come to bit everyone in the ass in the form of spam. The script kiddies you usually see here on slashdot that want their anonymity, their pirated music, etc... dont' realize that anonymity is an all or nothing thing.
Other than that, 'nuclear waste' also encompasses things such as tools that have become 'hot' from use in nuclear facilities. Screw drivers, pliers, storage containers, and other miscellaneous items. Their knowledge of nuclear waste, how it's stored, and how it's handled comes largely from Troma movies.
I lived in one of the areas they were studying in Texas for storage in salt domes. That area is an agricultural area, and the people there were more concerned with the salt more than they were concerned with the nuclear waste storage, but it wasn't characterized that way.
That would take a few different things to work. The first is to erect pictographs that declare that death will come to all who trespass into the tunnels, the second would be to create a mythology about the area that would survive generations.
The holocaust happened, but it happened not only to Jews, it happened to Gypsies, Germans, Pols, Czeks, gays, the mentally handicapped, the physically deformed, and a great many others.
Those that survived the holocaust are the ones that deserve sympany wheather the survivor was a Jew or not, but to hear it only the Jews where the victims there. I will say, and believe that the holocaust was hijacked for propaganda purposes which in my view is as tasteless as the original deed.
"Please take note of a several subtle differences among your 3 examples. While the Nazis and the soviets thought nothing of massive genocides to deal with people they didn't care for, Israel has never once done anything to suggest that it has even crossed their minds."
The history of Israel and the Hebrews in the Christian bible well document actions of genocide, war crimes, and the enslavement of others by the Israeli's.
"And if you were honest, you'd admit that genociding the palestinians would be the only thing that would stop their terrorism. (Note: Not that it is a solution, mind you. Worded a more diplomatic way, I'd say that the palestinians won't stop until the last of them is dead)."
Only a sick and demented mind would even consider genocide to be a possible solution, and even sicker to phrase it more 'diplomatically' as you did.
"Right there, it says to me, that even if they can be a bit heavy-handed sometimes, the Israelis are a bit more enlightened, and that it's unfair to lump them in with the villains that you have."
The only reason they don't do it is because they know the world will wipe Israel off the face of the planet if they did. As I stated earlier, their villainy is well documented, and I'd go so far as to say that it's embedded in their socio-religious view of the world and their view that non-Jews are animals.
"Another thing I've noticed is this. If a palestinian "freedom fighter" blows up a bus full of civilians, every single death he causes is considered a victory to be celebrated. Civilian, women, children, infants... it doesn't matter. Even with a twisted sense of justice, real men would only ever attack soldiers, or the politicians that command them."
The Jewish resistance in Nazi Germany attacked civilian as well as military and political targets with no regard as to any innocent bystanders such as children and other non-combatants. Of course, I expect you to try to point out some difference, but fighting the oppressor wheather it be a Nazi in jackboots or and Israeli in jackboots will always be a dirty business since the oppressors prefer to mix themselves with the general populace.
"That's fighting your enemy, the palestinians are only capable of cowardice."
Fighting an oppressor is never cowardice.
"Now, look at the Israeli side of the equation. When they kill palestinians, they specifically target those who commit these acts of terrorism."
I won't call that an outright falsehood, but , rather, a lie of omission. They enact group punishment such as destroying homes and orchards. A hallmark of the oppressor.
"And sure, quite often it seems that palestinian civilians die too. The Israeli goverment expresses regret, and offers compensation. While not perfect by any definition (they are only human, after all) they seem to make the effort."
Sure, I guess they all look at each other and say "Oopsie!" If the Israeli government truly regret civilian killings it would do more to reign in it's troops, which it chooses conciously to not do.
"Then, why don't we dig up some pseudo-cultural-religious stuff. On the one hand, nearly all (arab) muslims quite obviously actively hate jews. Hate people they've never met, that have never done them any personal harm. I can't quite figure out if this is a hatred mandated by Islam or not (religious or cultural). Certainly the leading clerics say as much, so does that count?"
Given the history of the region; I do not find their hatred all that puzzling.
"Do Israelis hate palestinians? I'm sure they do. But the rabi's don't go around telling them that it's their religious duty."
No, they tell people that the land was given to them by god, and it's their duty to push the goyim off of that land.
"Bessides, it's tough to warm up to someone from a different culture, when you can never be sure if he has 20 pounds of dynamite under his clothes."
Or if he's got a boot on your neck at a checkpoint.
"Now, as far as jews go, my understanding is that their religion is very different from this. Among other things, it says that you don't have to be a jew, to "get to heaven" for lack of a better way to word it. Judaism, it would seem, is a duty to adhere to an extended set of rules, and if you don't commit to those extra rules, you'll do just fine if you live by the basic ones (and though I don't remember those exactly, they are things like "don't commit murder" and the like). What's so important about all this? Well, while I'm no rabi, my non-jewish interpretation is that as far as they're concerned, muslims have a right to exist. More so than that, jews would never try to convert them (something that I find particularly cool about their religion)."
The religion teaches that all non-Jews are no better than animals, and can be treated as such. Under their religious law the only persons with any rights are Jews, and only they are considered to be fully human.
"Funny, that certain Islamic schools teach arabs that it's their religious duty to kill jews."
I don't find it funny at all.
"And if somehow they weren't that way, then I'm sure they'd be busy trying to bribe them into converting to Islam, like they do us atheists and christians. "
Nobody's ever offered me so much as a dime, nor have I so much as heard of a rumor of the practice untill now.
"You see, I look at the Israelis, and see a people that have been through alot of shit the last few centuries."
Absolutely, through a lot of shit in different countries and cultures. Who do you think is the common denominator there?
"And I see them being given this crappy little piece of desert that isn't fit for camels"
They wanted it, Britain gave it to them, and the UN mandated the creation.
"and within 50 or so years, turning it into a military and economic power."
ONLY with the help of Britain and the United States.
"And then I look at the arabs, and I see a people that for many centuries were the leading scientists of this world. Explorers, travelers, traders. While europeans were living in the dark ages. And for whatever reason, they threw it all away."
This was brought about by several factors of invasion of which the Crusades is one. The decline started when they had to constantly (in historical timescale) defend themselves from foreign invaders and live under occupied rule.
"And their tolerance for other religions (jews and christians, even hindus I believe, were welcome visitors, even citizens). And however their intolerance crept into the mainstream, I dunno. And now, in the last few decades, they seem intent on nothing but destruction."
This is a factor of the decline as I stated immediately above. The radical religious elements took the advantage and gotten more than a foothold in the region.
"You tell me, is there a single thing the Israeli goverment could do, that would change anything? Offer more land, more economic aid, more whatever? Or would the palestinians grab whatever was offered, slink back to their slums, and try to figure out how to use the "whatever" to go kill more jews? Look at it from the other side, though. If the palestinians started acting like civilized human beings, would it not lead to better conditions, at least in the long run? If there were no terrorist incidents for 12 months, the israeli goverment would be forced to ease up a bit. And the longer it lasted, the more easing up that would happen. The ball is in the palestinian court."
As far as I'm concerned the ball is in both their courts. Both sides need to immediately crack down hard on the radical elements. In the case of the Palestinians that would be the underground paramilitary organizations and their leaders. On the Israeli side that would be the zealots in the settlements. No need for a 12 month wait. That would only give time for them both to find more reasons to continue fighting. It would also help if Sharon and the other criminals in the Israli government would stop destroying Palestinian infrastructure and the ability of the Palestinian Authority to police it's people.
Neither side is the peace loving people that they try to paint themselves to be. Both sides have criminals in their governments and military organizations that simply want to kill the other side. The best solution would be for the UN to crack down on both sides, and the sooner the better. The only way to stop the fighting is for someone to come in with a big stick and start knocking heads.
Hey buddy. The sad fact is that you need travel papers to travel in Israel and the occupied territories just like you would have needed them in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Call me a Palestinian sympathizer all you like, but you cannot deny the fact of the need for people to show their papers in Israel, former Nazi Germany, and former Soviet Union. It does tend to be the hallmark of oppressive regime's.
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"would have to assume that Windows NT is a hoax "
This has been known for a number of years.
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First off... Laws were made to be broken.
Second, I'm going to reserve my judgement either way untill this device has been hauled into a credible (I.E. non-fossile-fuel paid) lab for testing.
Perhaps he actually did it, perhaps not. He may just be a nut, he may be the current version of Tesla.
As for his statement about perpetual motion... The story gives no idea if there's any motion at all in the mechanical sense. So, instead of just knee jerking and saying that it's a load of crap so it's not worth looking at, people should say "let's test the device and see if it does what the inventor says it does." Get that thing up on a platform, make sure there's no hidden power leads, have a disinterested third party take a look at the insides for batteries and the sort, and if it passes all those, run it under a load and see if it runs down. Would be quite a simple test, and more conclusive than the attitude of "You can't break the laws of physics so it's a load of bull." Over time in physics as with any science 'laws' are changed to fit what is currently known. A new thing/way pops up that violates those laws will require a complete rethinking of laws that scientists have come to consider unbreakable canon, and will cause them to have to throw out works of theirs that use the laws that have become invalid.
So, it's completely in the best interest of the fossile fuel industry, and 'big science' that this device be disproved using any means possible.
Before anybody takes it seriously enough to put it to the test.
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apples and oranges
Anybody that tries to pass a psychosomatic illness off as a scientifically supported effect of qualifies as a nut, and should be treated as such with high doses of disbelief and taunting.
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This story made my bullshit detecting ability trigger. Surely a paranomal event.
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Sounds like a good enough reason to have an ordinance that banned wall sockets, and a class action suit against those that manufacture them for marketing a dangerous item.
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The only machines you have any right to port scan are your own or those you admin. There's no 'right' to scan someone elses network just as there's no right to go down a street trying all the door/windows to see if any are unlocked.
It just shows a basic lack of the expected civilized behavior of keeping your filthy hands off of what doesn't belong to you.
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Makes me wonder where the United States get's off. We complained when the Soviets bugged the embassy they were building for it in the former Soviet Union. Then it turns around and does this. Welcome to the Neo-Soviet Union comrads!
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This kind of research is as usefull as a lip reading class for the blind.
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I'm sure that knowing the distance from the Earth to the moon down to the millimeter will go far to solving the Earths problems.
Perhaps some scientist somewhere will do important research like where all the damn socks go that dissapear in clothes dryers.
In either case it's money well spent, it is.
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You are all wrong regarding IBM and it's PC line breakup, and Bill Gates. Bill Gates creation of DOS (port of CP/M actually) is what gave the IBM Personal Computer at that time what it needed to get out into the market... an operating system. He didn't destroy IBM, he made what is now widely (if not undeservedly) the 'PC' or 'personal computer'.
What broke the IBM PC line was it's design which allowed other companies to reverse engineer the product and build their own version with off the shelf parts, improve on the design, and compete with IBM in it's target marketplace.
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Easy, you tell em to get stuffed while you lock and load your 9mm.
They only want anonymity for themselves, but for nobody else. The whole anonymity on the net thing has come to bit everyone in the ass in the form of spam. The script kiddies you usually see here on slashdot that want their anonymity, their pirated music, etc... dont' realize that anonymity is an all or nothing thing.
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Nobody'd give em a spanking. Would you want to touch Gates or Balmers ass with your hand?
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Sounds like a show for the Playboy channel.
Other than that, 'nuclear waste' also encompasses things such as tools that have become 'hot' from use in nuclear facilities. Screw drivers, pliers, storage containers, and other miscellaneous items. Their knowledge of nuclear waste, how it's stored, and how it's handled comes largely from Troma movies.
I lived in one of the areas they were studying in Texas for storage in salt domes. That area is an agricultural area, and the people there were more concerned with the salt more than they were concerned with the nuclear waste storage, but it wasn't characterized that way.
That would take a few different things to work. The first is to erect pictographs that declare that death will come to all who trespass into the tunnels, the second would be to create a mythology about the area that would survive generations.
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The majority of it's shipped by tractor/trailer rigs.
Hate to say it, but that's probably because the goat is better looking. They don't make those women wear veils for nothing.
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Well, on the money item ya gotta admit that it's a better incentive than "join us or you'll go to hell".
The holocaust happened, but it happened not only to Jews, it happened to Gypsies, Germans, Pols, Czeks, gays, the mentally handicapped, the physically deformed, and a great many others.
Those that survived the holocaust are the ones that deserve sympany wheather the survivor was a Jew or not, but to hear it only the Jews where the victims there. I will say, and believe that the holocaust was hijacked for propaganda purposes which in my view is as tasteless as the original deed.
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"Please take note of a several subtle differences among your 3 examples. While the Nazis and the soviets thought nothing of massive genocides to deal with people they didn't care for, Israel has never once done anything to suggest that it has even crossed their minds."
The history of Israel and the Hebrews in the Christian bible well document actions of genocide, war crimes, and the enslavement of others by the Israeli's.
"And if you were honest, you'd admit that genociding the palestinians would be the only thing that would stop their terrorism. (Note: Not that it is a solution, mind you. Worded a more diplomatic way, I'd say that the palestinians won't stop until the last of them is dead)."
Only a sick and demented mind would even consider genocide to be a possible solution, and even sicker to phrase it more 'diplomatically' as you did.
"Right there, it says to me, that even if they can be a bit heavy-handed sometimes, the Israelis are a bit more enlightened, and that it's unfair to lump them in with the villains that you have."
The only reason they don't do it is because they know the world will wipe Israel off the face of the planet if they did. As I stated earlier, their villainy is well documented, and I'd go so far as to say that it's embedded in their socio-religious view of the world and their view that non-Jews are animals.
"Another thing I've noticed is this. If a palestinian "freedom fighter" blows up a bus full of civilians, every single death he causes is considered a victory to be celebrated. Civilian, women, children, infants... it doesn't matter. Even with a twisted sense of justice, real men would only ever attack soldiers, or the politicians that command them."
The Jewish resistance in Nazi Germany attacked civilian as well as military and political targets with no regard as to any innocent bystanders such as children and other non-combatants. Of course, I expect you to try to point out some difference, but fighting the oppressor wheather it be a Nazi in jackboots or and Israeli in jackboots will always be a dirty business since the oppressors prefer to mix themselves with the general populace.
"That's fighting your enemy, the palestinians are only capable of cowardice."
Fighting an oppressor is never cowardice.
"Now, look at the Israeli side of the equation. When they kill palestinians, they specifically target those who commit these acts of terrorism."
I won't call that an outright falsehood, but , rather, a lie of omission. They enact group punishment such as destroying homes and orchards. A hallmark of the oppressor.
"And sure, quite often it seems that palestinian civilians die too. The Israeli goverment expresses regret, and offers compensation. While not perfect by any definition (they are only human, after all) they seem to make the effort."
Sure, I guess they all look at each other and say "Oopsie!" If the Israeli government truly regret civilian killings it would do more to reign in it's troops, which it chooses conciously to not do.
"Then, why don't we dig up some pseudo-cultural-religious stuff. On the one hand, nearly all (arab) muslims quite obviously actively hate jews. Hate people they've never met, that have never done them any personal harm. I can't quite figure out if this is a hatred mandated by Islam or not (religious or cultural). Certainly the leading clerics say as much, so does that count?"
Given the history of the region; I do not find their hatred all that puzzling.
"Do Israelis hate palestinians? I'm sure they do. But the rabi's don't go around telling them that it's their religious duty."
No, they tell people that the land was given to them by god, and it's their duty to push the goyim off of that land.
"Bessides, it's tough to warm up to someone from a different culture, when you can never be sure if he has 20 pounds of dynamite under his clothes."
Or if he's got a boot on your neck at a checkpoint.
"Now, as far as jews go, my understanding is that their religion is very different from this. Among other things, it says that you don't have to be a jew, to "get to heaven" for lack of a better way to word it. Judaism, it would seem, is a duty to adhere to an extended set of rules, and if you don't commit to those extra rules, you'll do just fine if you live by the basic ones (and though I don't remember those exactly, they are things like "don't commit murder" and the like). What's so important about all this? Well, while I'm no rabi, my non-jewish interpretation is that as far as they're concerned, muslims have a right to exist. More so than that, jews would never try to convert them (something that I find particularly cool about their religion)."
The religion teaches that all non-Jews are no better than animals, and can be treated as such. Under their religious law the only persons with any rights are Jews, and only they are considered to be fully human.
"Funny, that certain Islamic schools teach arabs that it's their religious duty to kill jews."
I don't find it funny at all.
"And if somehow they weren't that way, then I'm sure they'd be busy trying to bribe them into converting to Islam, like they do us atheists and christians. "
Nobody's ever offered me so much as a dime, nor have I so much as heard of a rumor of the practice untill now.
"You see, I look at the Israelis, and see a people that have been through alot of shit the last few centuries."
Absolutely, through a lot of shit in different countries and cultures. Who do you think is the common denominator there?
"And I see them being given this crappy little piece of desert that isn't fit for camels"
They wanted it, Britain gave it to them, and the UN mandated the creation.
"and within 50 or so years, turning it into a military and economic power."
ONLY with the help of Britain and the United States.
"And then I look at the arabs, and I see a people that for many centuries were the leading scientists of this world. Explorers, travelers, traders. While europeans were living in the dark ages. And for whatever reason, they threw it all away."
This was brought about by several factors of invasion of which the Crusades is one. The decline started when they had to constantly (in historical timescale) defend themselves from foreign invaders and live under occupied rule.
"And their tolerance for other religions (jews and christians, even hindus I believe, were welcome visitors, even citizens). And however their intolerance crept into the mainstream, I dunno. And now, in the last few decades, they seem intent on nothing but destruction."
This is a factor of the decline as I stated immediately above. The radical religious elements took the advantage and gotten more than a foothold in the region.
"You tell me, is there a single thing the Israeli goverment could do, that would change anything? Offer more land, more economic aid, more whatever? Or would the palestinians grab whatever was offered, slink back to their slums, and try to figure out how to use the "whatever" to go kill more jews? Look at it from the other side, though. If the palestinians started acting like civilized human beings, would it not lead to better conditions, at least in the long run? If there were no terrorist incidents for 12 months, the israeli goverment would be forced to ease up a bit. And the longer it lasted, the more easing up that would happen. The ball is in the palestinian court."
As far as I'm concerned the ball is in both their courts. Both sides need to immediately crack down hard on the radical elements. In the case of the Palestinians that would be the underground paramilitary organizations and their leaders. On the Israeli side that would be the zealots in the settlements. No need for a 12 month wait. That would only give time for them both to find more reasons to continue fighting. It would also help if Sharon and the other criminals in the Israli government would stop destroying Palestinian infrastructure and the ability of the Palestinian Authority to police it's people.
Neither side is the peace loving people that they try to paint themselves to be. Both sides have criminals in their governments and military organizations that simply want to kill the other side. The best solution would be for the UN to crack down on both sides, and the sooner the better. The only way to stop the fighting is for someone to come in with a big stick and start knocking heads.
"subhumans" Spoken like a true adherent to the precepts of racial superiority. You'd make an SS officer proud.
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Hey buddy. The sad fact is that you need travel papers to travel in Israel and the occupied territories just like you would have needed them in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Call me a Palestinian sympathizer all you like, but you cannot deny the fact of the need for people to show their papers in Israel, former Nazi Germany, and former Soviet Union. It does tend to be the hallmark of oppressive regime's.
Your papers seem to be in order... move along.
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Try that in Hebrew/Israeli/Yiddish.
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It's the mark of the beast I tell ya! The end times are near! Run coward! Run!
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