It's the administrators. If you have someone administrating either OS that's incompetant then you will have security holes. A competant administrator will close up either OS tight.
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Actually that's incorrect. The 'requirement' is different depending on what source your read. Some list it as an FCC 'suggestion', it's the FTC that ruled on the case. With that in mind here's a quote...
"Closely watched was how the FCC would treat instant messaging (IM). The FCC surprised some observers by not requiring AOL to open its messaging client, AOL Instant Messenger, to competitors immediately."
Read it twice if you have to.
"The FCC said, however, that before launching advanced IM services such as videoconferencing over cable networks, AOL must either be able to prove that it has implemented an industrywide standard for interoperability or show that it has a contract with a competitor. "
If AOL get's a contract with a competitor there's no requirment to open up the AIM protocol or implement an industry wide standard.
No, the fact is that it's you and people like you that are peeing in the pool while everybody else that pays to use the pool has the unfortunate circumstances of having to put up with your filth.
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It's in AOL's best interest to allow SMTP and HTTP connections since these are open standards. IF they had servers for internal use then you can't expect a connection. IF they developed their own standard for their users then you can't expect a connection. What you aren't getting here is that AOL's IM system is theirs, developed by them, paid for by them. You can't have any reasonable expectation to be allowed to use it unless you are one of their customers or are using their software.
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I have yet to have any trouble installing other browsers on any microsoft OS. Perhaps it's a lack of basic technical ability on your part?
"This is like the turnpike denying fords because they only want GM's driving down the roads."
No, it's like GM building a road for owners of GM vehicles to use. They own the road, they can say who drives on it.
"So ISP's should filter AIM because AOL isn't paying for the bandwidth the software they own uses."
ISP's would be completely within their rights to block AIM if they wish to have pissed off customers. Nobody would stop them.
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"Doesn't owning that much marketshare and preventing other users from using such technology constitute a monopoly using its powers to prevent other business from competing in the market? "
IMHO, no. AOL isn't preventing trillian from putting up their own instant messanging servers. Trillian expects to use AOL's. Can I have a reasonable expectation to use the ovens at Pizza Hut if I started a pizza shop in an area where Pizza Hut has dominance? No. The reasonable expectation is that I would get my own ovens, and compete with Pizza Hut.
AOL owns their IM standard lock, stock, and barrel. They aren't oboligated to allow any outside service to tie into it unless they want to allow the outside service to tie in. That's the long and short of it... they can block who they please.
Expecting AOL to allow others to user their IM system is like expecting one theater chain to take tickets bought at another theater chain.
Of course, I expect this to be modded down by the freeloaders.
he'll do yet another Austin Powers movie where the evil villan is the head of an evil movie company that's suing him for infringing on their 'copyright' which threatens to take him out of the 'spy game'. The whole situation with MGM just begs for a satire of it.
"I just don't get it baby, it's like Dr. Evil all over again trying to steal my mojo."
Ok, the ranking order is 10-1. The lower number being the more important. Leave it up to the Planetary Society to fuck things up by not adhering to the expected ranking of 1-10 with the higher numbers being the most important. Might as well put a stupid art deco space ship graphic up there with the words "Zordac wants you to vote!" This is what you get from a lobby group full of Trekkies, nerds, and assorted tards.
I really don't think they want to find extra-terrestrial life. It would mean the government would have to move funds away from those vote getting social programs into space sciences. The other part of that is the religious freaks will have a fit if life is found somewhere other than Earth. Even worse would be if they beat the looooong odds and happen to find artifact using life on Europa (however primitive).
I have this problem with software for sending and receiving programs from CNC(sp)s. The software uses a timing loop for serial i/o instead of relying on hardware timers, and literally talk too fast over serial on anything higher than a 486 for the cnc's to read. (and no, I'm not an industrial technologist so I'm doubly screwed)
IMHO, there aren't enough ads on tv. What we as a consumer society needs are more ads and less entertainment. I yearn for the days when the advertisement is interrupted by 30 seconds of entertainment.
Tell ya what. How about we form a cabal of system administrators with a chapter in every city to pay spammers a 'visit' for some 'wall to wall counseling' every time spammers send out a run.
Windows 98se, and ME both can do this. Windows Internet Connection Sharing even contains a firewall that's configurable with software from third parties. No port forwarding tho.
"(*watches some geek bust down some hoser's door, filling him with lead, before walking off with the stolen box under arm*)"
Sounds like something I would do. Thank god I live in Texas where recovering stolen property using any means necessary (even if it means filling the luser full of lead) is still a right.
I am skeptical. Being skeptical doesn't mean proclaiming "It's a load of hooey!", "Impossible!", etc... If you look at sketicism you'll see a long line of people that do just that... proclaim something to be bullshit without a reasonable test, kludge up some 'alternate' method the same 'trick' can be done, and expect the world to accept their proclimation. All claims must be tested (this applies to the so-called skeptic as well with the original claimant) before any reasonable conclusion can be reached. For instance, if someone approached me with claim X, I would require them to demonstrate that claim before I reached a conclusion. Then I would attempt to replicate claim X using their methods. If they do not wish to reveal their methods I would offer a contract known as a 'non-disclosure agreement' which is a legally binding contract. If they still resisted I'd tell them to call me back when they were serious. Even then I could not in good concience write claim X off as a load of horse shit, just them as being assholes or dumbasses. Unfortunately what's known as modern sketicism is full of personalities that are less interested in testing claims than they are in makeing proclimations so the world can ooo and ahhh at their 'intelligence' which feeds their need for feeling self-important.
"If you look at the history of these kind of inventions (and there have been many), I'm sure you'll see a definite trend: they have all turned out to be hoaxes."
So far. That's like saying that heavier than air flight is not possible, everybody has failed untill now so it's not worth looking into. Well, guess what sunshine, it wasn't an engineer working for a company or university that worked out heavier than air flight. It was two guys in a bicycle shop (according to history, but there's also the Gonzales brothers around the same time).
The same reason they won't go after spammers and script kiddies. It's just not as sexy as busting the neighborhood crack house once a year to prove their 'on the ball' in order to get big budget funding from the Feds.
In law enforcement as with any other 'business' it all comes down to money, and finding stolen property costs them money.
This is like saying that a company cannot market modifications for engines. As far as I'm concerned, once I've bought something I can take it apart and do with it as I please. I can wear that damn case around as a hat if I wished, modify the circuitry as I wish, etc... Just as I can modify the engine of my vehicle if I wish. If I modified it to run on buttermilk instead of unleaded gasoline that's my bag, and any gasoline company that took me to court over it can get stuffed.
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It's the administrators. If you have someone administrating either OS that's incompetant then you will have security holes. A competant administrator will close up either OS tight.
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Actually that's incorrect. The 'requirement' is different depending on what source your read. Some list it as an FCC 'suggestion', it's the FTC that ruled on the case. With that in mind here's a quote...
"Closely watched was how the FCC would treat instant messaging (IM). The FCC surprised some observers by not requiring AOL to open its messaging client, AOL Instant Messenger, to competitors immediately."
Read it twice if you have to.
"The FCC said, however, that before launching advanced IM services such as videoconferencing over cable networks, AOL must either be able to prove that it has implemented an industrywide standard for interoperability or show that it has a contract with a competitor. "
If AOL get's a contract with a competitor there's no requirment to open up the AIM protocol or implement an industry wide standard.
No, the fact is that it's you and people like you that are peeing in the pool while everybody else that pays to use the pool has the unfortunate circumstances of having to put up with your filth.
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It's in AOL's best interest to allow SMTP and HTTP connections since these are open standards. IF they had servers for internal use then you can't expect a connection. IF they developed their own standard for their users then you can't expect a connection. What you aren't getting here is that AOL's IM system is theirs, developed by them, paid for by them. You can't have any reasonable expectation to be allowed to use it unless you are one of their customers or are using their software.
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I have yet to have any trouble installing other browsers on any microsoft OS. Perhaps it's a lack of basic technical ability on your part?
"This is like the turnpike denying fords because they only want GM's driving down the roads."
No, it's like GM building a road for owners of GM vehicles to use. They own the road, they can say who drives on it.
"So ISP's should filter AIM because AOL isn't paying for the bandwidth the software they own uses."
ISP's would be completely within their rights to block AIM if they wish to have pissed off customers. Nobody would stop them.
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"Doesn't owning that much marketshare and preventing other users from using such technology constitute a monopoly using its powers to prevent other business from competing in the market? "
IMHO, no. AOL isn't preventing trillian from putting up their own instant messanging servers. Trillian expects to use AOL's. Can I have a reasonable expectation to use the ovens at Pizza Hut if I started a pizza shop in an area where Pizza Hut has dominance? No. The reasonable expectation is that I would get my own ovens, and compete with Pizza Hut.
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AOL owns their IM standard lock, stock, and barrel. They aren't oboligated to allow any outside service to tie into it unless they want to allow the outside service to tie in. That's the long and short of it... they can block who they please.
Expecting AOL to allow others to user their IM system is like expecting one theater chain to take tickets bought at another theater chain.
Of course, I expect this to be modded down by the freeloaders.
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Yeah, go with him. I'm tired of you people cluttering up my planet.
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he'll do yet another Austin Powers movie where the evil villan is the head of an evil movie company that's suing him for infringing on their 'copyright' which threatens to take him out of the 'spy game'. The whole situation with MGM just begs for a satire of it.
"I just don't get it baby, it's like Dr. Evil all over again trying to steal my mojo."
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Ok, the ranking order is 10-1. The lower number being the more important. Leave it up to the Planetary Society to fuck things up by not adhering to the expected ranking of 1-10 with the higher numbers being the most important. Might as well put a stupid art deco space ship graphic up there with the words "Zordac wants you to vote!" This is what you get from a lobby group full of Trekkies, nerds, and assorted tards.
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I really don't think they want to find extra-terrestrial life. It would mean the government would have to move funds away from those vote getting social programs into space sciences. The other part of that is the religious freaks will have a fit if life is found somewhere other than Earth. Even worse would be if they beat the looooong odds and happen to find artifact using life on Europa (however primitive).
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I get the feeling that Pat Buchanan has already been to Uranus.
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I have this problem with software for sending and receiving programs from CNC(sp)s. The software uses a timing loop for serial i/o instead of relying on hardware timers, and literally talk too fast over serial on anything higher than a 486 for the cnc's to read. (and no, I'm not an industrial technologist so I'm doubly screwed)
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IMHO, there aren't enough ads on tv. What we as a consumer society needs are more ads and less entertainment. I yearn for the days when the advertisement is interrupted by 30 seconds of entertainment.
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I'd swear to god that Fisher Price marketed a toy that had a small turntable disk in it for this sort of thing.
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Tell ya what. How about we form a cabal of system administrators with a chapter in every city to pay spammers a 'visit' for some 'wall to wall counseling' every time spammers send out a run.
Hells Administrators! or Hells Geeks!
In case the guys at DMA didn't get the memo, the cat's already out of the bag, pandora's box has already been opened, or .
The majority of the SPAM that's flying around the net isn't even from DMA members. It's all from con and scam artists.
Their move isn't going to change a damn thing in the short or long runs.
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Basically because the majority of the Linux community are a bunch of cheapskates that think just because the OS is free, everthing else should be.
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This sort of thing will keep happening untill there are enough Linux users that aren't a bunch of 'I want it all free' leeches.
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Windows 98se, and ME both can do this. Windows Internet Connection Sharing even contains a firewall that's configurable with software from third parties. No port forwarding tho.
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"(*watches some geek bust down some hoser's door, filling him with lead, before walking off with the stolen box under arm*)"
Sounds like something I would do. Thank god I live in Texas where recovering stolen property using any means necessary (even if it means filling the luser full of lead) is still a right.
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I am skeptical. Being skeptical doesn't mean proclaiming "It's a load of hooey!", "Impossible!", etc... If you look at sketicism you'll see a long line of people that do just that... proclaim something to be bullshit without a reasonable test, kludge up some 'alternate' method the same 'trick' can be done, and expect the world to accept their proclimation. All claims must be tested (this applies to the so-called skeptic as well with the original claimant) before any reasonable conclusion can be reached. For instance, if someone approached me with claim X, I would require them to demonstrate that claim before I reached a conclusion. Then I would attempt to replicate claim X using their methods. If they do not wish to reveal their methods I would offer a contract known as a 'non-disclosure agreement' which is a legally binding contract. If they still resisted I'd tell them to call me back when they were serious. Even then I could not in good concience write claim X off as a load of horse shit, just them as being assholes or dumbasses. Unfortunately what's known as modern sketicism is full of personalities that are less interested in testing claims than they are in makeing proclimations so the world can ooo and ahhh at their 'intelligence' which feeds their need for feeling self-important.
"If you look at the history of these kind of inventions (and there have been many), I'm sure you'll see a definite trend: they have all turned out to be hoaxes."
So far. That's like saying that heavier than air flight is not possible, everybody has failed untill now so it's not worth looking into. Well, guess what sunshine, it wasn't an engineer working for a company or university that worked out heavier than air flight. It was two guys in a bicycle shop (according to history, but there's also the Gonzales brothers around the same time).
The same reason they won't go after spammers and script kiddies. It's just not as sexy as busting the neighborhood crack house once a year to prove their 'on the ball' in order to get big budget funding from the Feds.
In law enforcement as with any other 'business' it all comes down to money, and finding stolen property costs them money.
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This is like saying that a company cannot market modifications for engines. As far as I'm concerned, once I've bought something I can take it apart and do with it as I please. I can wear that damn case around as a hat if I wished, modify the circuitry as I wish, etc... Just as I can modify the engine of my vehicle if I wish. If I modified it to run on buttermilk instead of unleaded gasoline that's my bag, and any gasoline company that took me to court over it can get stuffed.
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