Congratulations. You have seen the system work the way it is supposed to... once.
I asked a cop for directions once, and while he was rude to me, he didn't physically assault me, so I believe all these reports of tasers are false.
Tonight as I look out my window I see neither stars nor moon, so obviously all this talk of "space" is nonsense. After all, I've never been there, so it can't possibly be real.
Just because you haven't personally seen the train wrecks doesn't mean there haven't been any.
I'm actually on the networking side of things, and the decline in competence around some pretty serious parts of our infrastructure has become terrifying. The NDAs have me bound, gagged and duct-taped, but its become commonplace for me to wade into situations where Big Serious Systems are down and a peach-faced kid is jibbering "I was following the doc! They made me do it! It's not my fault!"
Five years ago, me and my coworkers used to gripe "How the Hell did they get hired?" We don't bother to ask that anymore. Meanwhile, we're all just flooded and completely managing by crisis. We don't do anything BUT put out fires any more. Testing was the first to go, but now even Design is gone.
You wanna hear the Really Scary Thing? The phenomena that's hit you and me both isn't limited to our industry. I think it's universal. I met a car mechanic/brake technician last month who didn't know there was such a thing as rotors too thin to turn. I swear, I think someone just told this guy "Undo these bolts, pull that big vise thing, pull off the big iron wheel, have Chuck grind it, and then bang it all back together." I never thought I'd see the day, but I've got fifty bucks that says this guy could not have explained "brake pedal/ master cylinder/ lines/ caliper/ pads/ rotor." You can forget about the complications of anti-lock brakes and I doubt the word "hydraulics" was even in his vocabulary.
I mean, we call ourselves "grease monkeys," but it was supposed to be a joke, dammit.
I keep thinking about the fools on Easter Island and Asimov's "Foundation," and worry that we're on our way. Then I think about Katrina and I know we're already there.
My whole job is cleaning up the disasters of guys who had a whole 24 months of experience and thought that meant they knew what they were doing. Vista was coded by guys who had 24 months of experience.
Paying for experience is cheap when you compare it to paying for a disaster.
Going against my better judgement and Ben Franklin's advice, but this bullshit is getting out of hand...
Look, I know it's fashionable to go with the thin, reedy, overly-nasal GOP line on this, but if you're an American, then the First Amendment DOES apply to you. It applies if you're a judge, a cop, a CEO or the school janitor. The Government doesn't get to do an end run around the Consitution by hiring out some company to do its dirty work for it.
*Waits for the pencil-necked, pasty-faced, can't-get-laid-in-his-Momma's-basement putz in the back of the room to get it out of his system.*
Yeah, I know. Strictly speaking, with the same sort of "Urkel-doesn't-get-it-so-he-ain't-ever-gonna-get-it" pickiness that makes all the grownups wanna send you to your room, the Constitution addresses the government. I know.
*Waits a little more.. and still more...*
Because, Junior, the Bill of Rights is more than just a string of damn code, that's why. It's an elaboration of the principles that we as Americans hold dear. It's a clumsy attempt to codify the way of life that we won for ourselves at Yorktown. It's not just the rules of the playground. It's our damn National DNA, that's why.
I know you probably weren't raised right, so you won't understand this, but It's WHO WE ARE. It was a radical idea in 1644 when John Milton wrote the "Areopagitica." It was a belief we all held in our bones by 1776.
We. Don't. Like. Censorship. We believe in the Marketplace of Ideas (Google it). We believe the cure for Bad Speech is More Speech.
Anyone who holds power, or so much as puts up a public bulletin board, it bound by it, not because some municipal code requires it, but because that's who we are. We as Americans detest censorship in all its forms, wherever it rears its head.
Verizon is wrong not because they are breaking some law, but because the action itself offends the sensibilities of the country that sustains it. We're all free men here. We're not afraid to hear dissenting opinions, and we for damn sure don't hide from them behind red tape and bureaucratic crap like "terms of service."
Yeah, sure, the few women who've managed to get hired there are going to be just chomping at the bit to tell the world what stupid jackasses their bosses are.
The few women over there who have been interviewed are not going to commit career suicide by opening their mouths.
Well DoD, the trolls with mod points are apparently out in force today. Don't let the Ayn Rand/Sarah Palin acolytes get you down. A bunch of us out here still understand the point you're making.
Yeah, yeah, I know, tenure is supposed to ensure academic freedom, but actions like this are a useful by-product. In every group, you need at least a few people to play court jester, tweak some noses and tell the truth, before we all drink the kool-aid and drown in the BS.
I know we've gone off the deep end when a public servant is trying to extend copyright over a publicy-funded brochure and the Law.
When a business videotapes you, they're exerting their power and extending the reach of police surveillance. The tapes can only help them, since anything that helps them will be widely distributed, while any tape that hurts them will be "lost." Since our legislatures are on the payroll, the Law loves businesses recording people.
When YOU record, you're taking power away from businesses by forcing them to honor their commitments and you provoke the police by giving them evidence against their boss that they need to act on. I know of one Sheriff's deputy in particular who brags about doubling his take-home pay by working private security while off-duty. He literally cashes a check every month from most of the larger businesses in his town, and he's looking to expand his customer base. Guess which class of people in that town are NEVER going to get arrested, no matter how many DUIs they get or how many girls they slap around?
A camera/microphone in their hands makes them powerful. The same in yours makes you slightly less vulnerable. That's why their's is a "wise and useful precaution" while yours is a "radical invasion of privacy."
I knew a guy once who, when he got a large fungible job in, would put out a want ad and "interview" people exactly as you describe. He'd literally get hundreds of hours of free labor this way, and the bastard knew he'd never be called on it.
It is for exactly this reason that I don't work for free during interviews. If my prospective boss isn't sharp enough to know that I know my stuff after a brief conversation and a look at my credentials, then I'll happily work for his competition.
In a stunning display of bipartanship today, Congress saved the taxpayers several million dollars by suspending all future elections. Proponents of the bill point out that most people didn't even bother to vote last time, and that of those who did, polls show the overwhelming majority of them held strong opinions about issues they didn't even begin to understand.
"It was a ridiculous waste of the taxpayer's money," said Sam Rickenbaugh of the GAO. "We'd spend millions, billions even on holding elections, and the voters who even bothered to show up were the same mouth-breathing idiots who get roped into jury duty. It was a pathetic display, embarrassing even."
Democrats and Republicans have agreed to share power across the aisle, and points of contention will now be decided based on who can gather the largest contributions for their side.
"Now this is Democracy," posts John Ringerton of My Country Right Or Wrong.com. "You got an opinion, you can put your money where your mouth is like God intended."
You are of course, quite correct. This reflects badly on our species, period. There's no end of shame to go around.
I need to find a word that means "Members of the ruling political party in China and those who support them" rather than "Everyone who has ever had a member of their extended family live on this continent." Having the words "China" and "Chinese" stand for both the ethnicity and the political/economic power causes confusion and raises issues of racism where there are none. We need different words for the two groups which overlap, like "Soviet" and Russian. What term would you suggest? "Members of the Chinese Communist Party" seems a little unwieldy and makes you sound like some drunk old codger from the VFW ranting about the "ChiComs."
I've ran my own personal boycott of China since I saw Tiananmen Square in living color. Today's confession -- that they have killed people and sold their organs for profit, and no, I don't give a damn that they were "criminals," -- My God, if that doesn't tie your moral compass in a knot, then you have none.
Why are we still doing business with men who would make Victor Frankenstein blanch?
Ted Bundy just called and promises to be a much better date from now on. Ed Gein promises to start collecting only stamps tomorrow. And Albert Fish is going to be a better baby-sitter than Mary Poppins, come the morning.
Take these three monsters, toss in the Zodiac, the Ripper, and all the other shattered bloody psyches we now know by their full first-middle-last names. Hell, you might as well throw in Jason Vorhees and Dexter to boot, because it won't matter when it comes to numbers.
All of them together PALE next to Hu Jingtao's now-confessed body count. You have to bring in the scythes like Stalin, Pol Pot and Godwin to get close. The men who run China have decided to murder, butcher and sell human meat for money, and their promise to try to do better in the future matters not a damn. NO ONE who calls themselves Chinese can hold their head up today, and yeah I'm well aware of my own country's recent atrocities.
Sure, we've betrayed our most sacred princples, killed by the thousands and tortured people to death in secret prisons.
But we have yet to wrap the bloody parts in slick white paper and begin singing the auction call.
I mean, "ghoul" comes to mind, but it's the only one that comes close.
They are parting people out for profit. Literal chop-shops for human bodies. It's a proposition only the most extreme horror movies have touched. It's the walking definition of Capital-E Evil.
You have to remember there have been three parts to the accusations. They just ADMITTED to the first one.
1. That the Chinese were selling organs of condemned prisoners, which they've always denied until now, and 2. That many of these people were condemned for their political views, and 3. That many of these people were condemned for being a marketable genotype.
Dear God. We have a government admittedly selling human organs for profit, the one thing that every medical ethicist in the world has always agreed would be the prima facie standard of "morally and ethically repugnant" and your response is "Waste not, want not"?!
They are killing people and selling the meat on an open market. I don't care that they're only doing it to the "bad" people. All of the fantasy Halloween monsters are laughable in comparison. Even the Texas Chainsaw family could cry hunger, not greed, as a motive.
Our beloved trading partners, who probably manufactured half the stuff in my house, are literally selling the human flesh and bone of the people they killed and butchered.
We don't have the words to fit this crime. I've always had a problem with the idea of an Eternal Hell, but stuff like this makes a strong argument for it.
As we trade with these countries, we'll normalize their wages and stimulate their economy until we achieve parity. To be fair, this is EXACTLY what happened with Japan, and this is why Japanese and American salaries and standards of living are roughly comparable.
The problem with this example is that post-war Japanese society was molded by MacArthur in the American image, with strong labor protections. Japan and the US normalized because they were working from similar frameworks, with populations that were in the same league.
China and India will not normalize. They structurally can't until certain social progress is made, social progress that in the West took centuries and countless wars. The Chinese populations are still ruled with an iron fist (yeah, yeah, yeah, talk to me when you have do a Google search on Tiananmen Square from Beijing), and India is still selling women like cattle. For the love of God, they STILL, in 2009, have a working caste system (yeah, yeah, yeah, go 100 miles outside of Mumbai and then come talk to me). As for China, they're selling the organs of condemned political prisoners -- the Chinese version of OSHA ain't happening any time soon.
Wages cannot, and will not, achieve parity when one side of the table has 250 million citizens afforded the full protection of the law, and the other side has two billion slaves. Keep mixing those two solutions together and you'll end up with two billion, two hundred fifty five million slaves, not 2.25 billion descendants of Rousseau and Jefferson.
The same thugs who are in power today ordered the murder of their own children. They had to bring in rural troops from the countryside to get it done, because the local soldiers refused to fire on their own people. To this day, the final death toll of that horrific purge is still unknown, though people like Harry Wu have some ugly, ugly estimates.
I have friends from China too. One of them made the exact same point you did. I made him an offer. I'll write a letter to George Bush calling him an idiot, and my friend would write a letter to the Premiere saying the same. We'd go to the Post Office and mail them together. He blanched, and declined.
Good Grief, we're talking about a place that won't even let Wikipedia through the door. I don't care if the Party is handing out lollipops every day now. They'll still cheerfully murder you for speaking your mind, asking the wrong question or praying to your god.
You haven't done anyone on Death Row any real favors just by giving them clean sheets.
Obama's puttin'-geezers-outta-their-misery death panels are even more gun-totin' retarded than Dick Cheney and George Bush's love child with Condoleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzalez.
See? One sentence mortally offended:
1. Democrats 2. Republicans 3. Gays 4. Latinos 5. African Americans 6. Special Olympics 7. Senior Citizens 8. The NRA 9. the illegitimate
You can play too. See how many special interest groups you can offend with less than 30 words.
They're not reducing complexity. They're proposing sandwiching another layer between two and three. It's not going to make things easier to design and troubleshoot. It's going to end up causing more trouble than it's worth. The only people who like this idea are salesguys like you who will have a new buzzword to sell.
But hey, by all means, implement this scheme. You're going to end up needing twice the network engineers you do now. The network explosions it will cause will be epic, the stuff of legend like Mt. St. Helens.
And for the love of Mike, I'm currently working 60-70 hours a week. We're not the Maytag repairmen. Most of us would LOVE to find a better way to do things. I have no doubt that 100 years from now, computer networking will make current schemes look slow and stupid. But those future protocols will still need to connect to the node -- layer one, identify the node -- layer two, and group the nodes together to make them easier to address -- layer three.
Look, I have no doubt you spend your week with your SE wildly gesticulating at you and shouting. I know by the time those frantic shouts get through your ears, it sounds like Charlie Brown's schoolteacher.
Show him some patience. He's trying to wedge some understanding between your ears.
Yes, I'm going on and one trying to explain the technical side of it to you, but it's starting to feel a little like trying to explain math to a dog.
You're complaining about network complexity when you have no clue about WHY it's complex. Your asking that building networks be "easier," but you have no clue what you even mean by that.
So please, if you're not able to talk to the grownups about the real issues, step away from the keyboard. You're worse than the idiots showing up locked and loaded at the local healthcare discussions.
You're spouting opinions about things you know nothing about.
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Tell that to Philo Farnsworth. You forgot a step.
"Invent something great," have a few million on hand to defend your patent, "and you will do fine."
Sometimes the commercials stay quiet altogether? That's not a failure, that's a "happy accident."
Congratulations. You have seen the system work the way it is supposed to ... once.
I asked a cop for directions once, and while he was rude to me, he didn't physically assault me, so I believe all these reports of tasers are false.
Tonight as I look out my window I see neither stars nor moon, so obviously all this talk of "space" is nonsense. After all, I've never been there, so it can't possibly be real.
Just because you haven't personally seen the train wrecks doesn't mean there haven't been any.
I'm actually on the networking side of things, and the decline in competence around some pretty serious parts of our infrastructure has become terrifying. The NDAs have me bound, gagged and duct-taped, but its become commonplace for me to wade into situations where Big Serious Systems are down and a peach-faced kid is jibbering "I was following the doc! They made me do it! It's not my fault!"
Five years ago, me and my coworkers used to gripe "How the Hell did they get hired?" We don't bother to ask that anymore. Meanwhile, we're all just flooded and completely managing by crisis. We don't do anything BUT put out fires any more. Testing was the first to go, but now even Design is gone.
You wanna hear the Really Scary Thing? The phenomena that's hit you and me both isn't limited to our industry. I think it's universal. I met a car mechanic/brake technician last month who didn't know there was such a thing as rotors too thin to turn. I swear, I think someone just told this guy "Undo these bolts, pull that big vise thing, pull off the big iron wheel, have Chuck grind it, and then bang it all back together." I never thought I'd see the day, but I've got fifty bucks that says this guy could not have explained "brake pedal/ master cylinder/ lines/ caliper/ pads/ rotor." You can forget about the complications of anti-lock brakes and I doubt the word "hydraulics" was even in his vocabulary.
I mean, we call ourselves "grease monkeys," but it was supposed to be a joke, dammit.
I keep thinking about the fools on Easter Island and Asimov's "Foundation," and worry that we're on our way. Then I think about Katrina and I know we're already there.
My whole job is cleaning up the disasters of guys who had a whole 24 months of experience and thought that meant they knew what they were doing. Vista was coded by guys who had 24 months of experience.
Paying for experience is cheap when you compare it to paying for a disaster.
Going against my better judgement and Ben Franklin's advice, but this bullshit is getting out of hand...
Look, I know it's fashionable to go with the thin, reedy, overly-nasal GOP line on this, but if you're an American, then the First Amendment DOES apply to you. It applies if you're a judge, a cop, a CEO or the school janitor. The Government doesn't get to do an end run around the Consitution by hiring out some company to do its dirty work for it.
*Waits for the pencil-necked, pasty-faced, can't-get-laid-in-his-Momma's-basement putz in the back of the room to get it out of his system.*
Yeah, I know. Strictly speaking, with the same sort of "Urkel-doesn't-get-it-so-he-ain't-ever-gonna-get-it" pickiness that makes all the grownups wanna send you to your room, the Constitution addresses the government. I know.
*Waits a little more.. and still more...*
Because, Junior, the Bill of Rights is more than just a string of damn code, that's why. It's an elaboration of the principles that we as Americans hold dear. It's a clumsy attempt to codify the way of life that we won for ourselves at Yorktown. It's not just the rules of the playground. It's our damn National DNA, that's why.
I know you probably weren't raised right, so you won't understand this, but It's WHO WE ARE. It was a radical idea in 1644 when John Milton wrote the "Areopagitica." It was a belief we all held in our bones by 1776.
We. Don't. Like. Censorship. We believe in the Marketplace of Ideas (Google it). We believe the cure for Bad Speech is More Speech.
Anyone who holds power, or so much as puts up a public bulletin board, it bound by it, not because some municipal code requires it, but because that's who we are. We as Americans detest censorship in all its forms, wherever it rears its head.
Verizon is wrong not because they are breaking some law, but because the action itself offends the sensibilities of the country that sustains it. We're all free men here. We're not afraid to hear dissenting opinions, and we for damn sure don't hide from them behind red tape and bureaucratic crap like "terms of service."
...if they've discovered its shape yet.
Yeah, sure, the few women who've managed to get hired there are going to be just chomping at the bit to tell the world what stupid jackasses their bosses are.
The few women over there who have been interviewed are not going to commit career suicide by opening their mouths.
Well DoD, the trolls with mod points are apparently out in force today. Don't let the Ayn Rand/Sarah Palin acolytes get you down. A bunch of us out here still understand the point you're making.
Yeah, yeah, I know, tenure is supposed to ensure academic freedom, but actions like this are a useful by-product. In every group, you need at least a few people to play court jester, tweak some noses and tell the truth, before we all drink the kool-aid and drown in the BS.
I know we've gone off the deep end when a public servant is trying to extend copyright over a publicy-funded brochure and the Law.
When a business videotapes you, they're exerting their power and extending the reach of police surveillance. The tapes can only help them, since anything that helps them will be widely distributed, while any tape that hurts them will be "lost." Since our legislatures are on the payroll, the Law loves businesses recording people.
When YOU record, you're taking power away from businesses by forcing them to honor their commitments and you provoke the police by giving them evidence against their boss that they need to act on. I know of one Sheriff's deputy in particular who brags about doubling his take-home pay by working private security while off-duty. He literally cashes a check every month from most of the larger businesses in his town, and he's looking to expand his customer base. Guess which class of people in that town are NEVER going to get arrested, no matter how many DUIs they get or how many girls they slap around?
A camera/microphone in their hands makes them powerful. The same in yours makes you slightly less vulnerable. That's why their's is a "wise and useful precaution" while yours is a "radical invasion of privacy."
Maybe they knew they had a better chance at getting a timely response from posting on Facebook than they would calling 911...
I knew a guy once who, when he got a large fungible job in, would put out a want ad and "interview" people exactly as you describe. He'd literally get hundreds of hours of free labor this way, and the bastard knew he'd never be called on it.
It is for exactly this reason that I don't work for free during interviews. If my prospective boss isn't sharp enough to know that I know my stuff after a brief conversation and a look at my credentials, then I'll happily work for his competition.
Washington DC
October 1, 2009
In a stunning display of bipartanship today, Congress saved the taxpayers several million dollars by suspending all future elections. Proponents of the bill point out that most people didn't even bother to vote last time, and that of those who did, polls show the overwhelming majority of them held strong opinions about issues they didn't even begin to understand.
"It was a ridiculous waste of the taxpayer's money," said Sam Rickenbaugh of the GAO. "We'd spend millions, billions even on holding elections, and the voters who even bothered to show up were the same mouth-breathing idiots who get roped into jury duty. It was a pathetic display, embarrassing even."
Democrats and Republicans have agreed to share power across the aisle, and points of contention will now be decided based on who can gather the largest contributions for their side.
"Now this is Democracy," posts John Ringerton of My Country Right Or Wrong.com. "You got an opinion, you can put your money where your mouth is like God intended."
You are of course, quite correct. This reflects badly on our species, period. There's no end of shame to go around.
I need to find a word that means "Members of the ruling political party in China and those who support them" rather than "Everyone who has ever had a member of their extended family live on this continent." Having the words "China" and "Chinese" stand for both the ethnicity and the political/economic power causes confusion and raises issues of racism where there are none. We need different words for the two groups which overlap, like "Soviet" and Russian. What term would you suggest? "Members of the Chinese Communist Party" seems a little unwieldy and makes you sound like some drunk old codger from the VFW ranting about the "ChiComs."
I've ran my own personal boycott of China since I saw Tiananmen Square in living color. Today's confession -- that they have killed people and sold their organs for profit, and no, I don't give a damn that they were "criminals," -- My God, if that doesn't tie your moral compass in a knot, then you have none.
Why are we still doing business with men who would make Victor Frankenstein blanch?
Ted Bundy just called and promises to be a much better date from now on.
Ed Gein promises to start collecting only stamps tomorrow.
And Albert Fish is going to be a better baby-sitter than Mary Poppins, come the morning.
Take these three monsters, toss in the Zodiac, the Ripper, and all the other shattered bloody psyches we now know by their full first-middle-last names. Hell, you might as well throw in Jason Vorhees and Dexter to boot, because it won't matter when it comes to numbers.
All of them together PALE next to Hu Jingtao's now-confessed body count. You have to bring in the scythes like Stalin, Pol Pot and Godwin to get close. The men who run China have decided to murder, butcher and sell human meat for money, and their promise to try to do better in the future matters not a damn. NO ONE who calls themselves Chinese can hold their head up today, and yeah I'm well aware of my own country's recent atrocities.
Sure, we've betrayed our most sacred princples, killed by the thousands and tortured people to death in secret prisons.
But we have yet to wrap the bloody parts in slick white paper and begin singing the auction call.
I mean, "ghoul" comes to mind, but it's the only one that comes close.
They are parting people out for profit. Literal chop-shops for human bodies. It's a proposition only the most extreme horror movies have touched. It's the walking definition of Capital-E Evil.
You have to remember there have been three parts to the accusations. They just ADMITTED to the first one.
1. That the Chinese were selling organs of condemned prisoners, which they've always denied until now, and
2. That many of these people were condemned for their political views, and
3. That many of these people were condemned for being a marketable genotype.
Dear God. We have a government admittedly selling human organs for profit, the one thing that every medical ethicist in the world has always agreed would be the prima facie standard of "morally and ethically repugnant" and your response is "Waste not, want not"?!
They are killing people and selling the meat on an open market. I don't care that they're only doing it to the "bad" people. All of the fantasy Halloween monsters are laughable in comparison. Even the Texas Chainsaw family could cry hunger, not greed, as a motive.
Our beloved trading partners, who probably manufactured half the stuff in my house, are literally selling the human flesh and bone of the people they killed and butchered.
We don't have the words to fit this crime. I've always had a problem with the idea of an Eternal Hell, but stuff like this makes a strong argument for it.
As we trade with these countries, we'll normalize their wages and stimulate their economy until we achieve parity. To be fair, this is EXACTLY what happened with Japan, and this is why Japanese and American salaries and standards of living are roughly comparable.
The problem with this example is that post-war Japanese society was molded by MacArthur in the American image, with strong labor protections. Japan and the US normalized because they were working from similar frameworks, with populations that were in the same league.
China and India will not normalize. They structurally can't until certain social progress is made, social progress that in the West took centuries and countless wars. The Chinese populations are still ruled with an iron fist (yeah, yeah, yeah, talk to me when you have do a Google search on Tiananmen Square from Beijing), and India is still selling women like cattle. For the love of God, they STILL, in 2009, have a working caste system (yeah, yeah, yeah, go 100 miles outside of Mumbai and then come talk to me). As for China, they're selling the organs of condemned political prisoners -- the Chinese version of OSHA ain't happening any time soon.
Wages cannot, and will not, achieve parity when one side of the table has 250 million citizens afforded the full protection of the law, and the other side has two billion slaves. Keep mixing those two solutions together and you'll end up with two billion, two hundred fifty five million slaves, not 2.25 billion descendants of Rousseau and Jefferson.
...too young to remember Tiananmen Square.
The same thugs who are in power today ordered the murder of their own children. They had to bring in rural troops from the countryside to get it done, because the local soldiers refused to fire on their own people. To this day, the final death toll of that horrific purge is still unknown, though people like Harry Wu have some ugly, ugly estimates.
I have friends from China too. One of them made the exact same point you did. I made him an offer. I'll write a letter to George Bush calling him an idiot, and my friend would write a letter to the Premiere saying the same. We'd go to the Post Office and mail them together. He blanched, and declined.
Good Grief, we're talking about a place that won't even let Wikipedia through the door. I don't care if the Party is handing out lollipops every day now. They'll still cheerfully murder you for speaking your mind, asking the wrong question or praying to your god.
You haven't done anyone on Death Row any real favors just by giving them clean sheets.
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Oh, come on, it's fun bashin' everybody.
Watch this:
Obama's puttin'-geezers-outta-their-misery death panels are even more gun-totin' retarded than Dick Cheney and George Bush's love child with Condoleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzalez.
See? One sentence mortally offended:
1. Democrats
2. Republicans
3. Gays
4. Latinos
5. African Americans
6. Special Olympics
7. Senior Citizens
8. The NRA
9. the illegitimate
You can play too. See how many special interest groups you can offend with less than 30 words.
Who the heck modded that comment as "Troll"? "Troll" does not mean "Disagree."
Bikes, I'll be lookin' out for ya in metamod, man.
..but ANY excuse to play with thermite and high-powered rifles, ya know? Stop trying to ruin the fun, OK? :-)
They're not reducing complexity. They're proposing sandwiching another layer between two and three. It's not going to make things easier to design and troubleshoot. It's going to end up causing more trouble than it's worth. The only people who like this idea are salesguys like you who will have a new buzzword to sell.
But hey, by all means, implement this scheme. You're going to end up needing twice the network engineers you do now. The network explosions it will cause will be epic, the stuff of legend like Mt. St. Helens.
And for the love of Mike, I'm currently working 60-70 hours a week. We're not the Maytag repairmen. Most of us would LOVE to find a better way to do things. I have no doubt that 100 years from now, computer networking will make current schemes look slow and stupid. But those future protocols will still need to connect to the node -- layer one, identify the node -- layer two, and group the nodes together to make them easier to address -- layer three.
Look, I have no doubt you spend your week with your SE wildly gesticulating at you and shouting. I know by the time those frantic shouts get through your ears, it sounds like Charlie Brown's schoolteacher.
Show him some patience. He's trying to wedge some understanding between your ears.
He's not having much luck, apparently.
Yes, I'm going on and one trying to explain the technical side of it to you, but it's starting to feel a little like trying to explain math to a dog.
You're complaining about network complexity when you have no clue about WHY it's complex. Your asking that building networks be "easier," but you have no clue what you even mean by that.
So please, if you're not able to talk to the grownups about the real issues, step away from the keyboard. You're worse than the idiots showing up locked and loaded at the local healthcare discussions.
You're spouting opinions about things you know nothing about.