This is called "argumentum ad populum" and has been recognized as a logically fallacious argument for thousands of years.
If you're going to grade my argument, then you best be sure you know what you're talking about in the first place. The point I was making wasn't about the numbers of people, but the Elitism. I wasn't arguing about the popularity being right, I was arguing that your view was one of disdain for a large number of people.
You want to compare the literacy rate of "those who watch what is on those channels" with "what is on Fox News".
No you idiot, the "Those" in the original quote applies to both "that watch" portions. I'll fix it for you, so you can understand exactly what I meant.
I'd love to compare the literacy of say those that watch what is on those channels to those that watch what is on Fox News.
And if you didn't understand what I meant, you should have asked for CLARITY rather than being an ignorant grammar nazi.
Because there is a moderately significant correlation between people who no not pass high school and who vote Republican.
Look for Voting by Education, take a look at those who voted for Obama who didn't graduate HS... 63% and McCain.... 35%.
I could equally say that most uneducated, and under educated minorities vote Democratic, but you'd call that "Racist", even if it is true. (and is the reason why (D) tend to vote to keep them ignorant, eg School Choice via vouchers)
or at least no formal education since you seem to be ignoring all the rules needed for a rational and civil discussion.
Blame it on my Public Education then, okay? My parents weren't rich enough to send me to one of those elite private schools where people can get a "formal" education.
I went to public schools and public university and have a degree in Business Finance and I haven't worked a day in the Financial sector since college. I've been in IT. So I'm just a stupid ignorant idiot, yup. Thank you for reminding me how bad public education REALLY is. (That is Sarcasm, in case you missed it).
The self righteous sanctimony and distain you have of what is CLEARLY more people than ABC/NBC/CBS and probably CNN combined is interesting. I'd love to compare the literacy of say those that watch what is on those channels to that of what is on Fox News.
The problem with people such as yourself, you can't imagine anyone having an opinion that is different than you, and when you even try, you end up saying that they are ignorant(and racist, and sexist....)
Take for example the recent march on Washington, who covered it with any depth? If you watched the "main stream" (Urine Stream) news, you may have got a tidbit here or there, with one of the more radical signs of Obama as Hitler or whatever, and if that was the sole source of your "news", you would come away thinking that it was just "20,000" (or a "few") "right wing" cranks.
The problem is, the left does WAY more to marginalize news they don't want reported than say "Fox" does. It isn't just reporting something, it is HOW it is reported. Yeah, it is easy to say "Don't watch Glenn Beck" and then say "He's a racist"(having never watched or heard him) than it is to watch his whole show and take the quotes in context.
And now we have a president that has DUBIOUS connections and continues to surround himself with all sorts of "radical" people who are far outside even Democrat mainstream, and now when people finally realize how RADICAL he is, something only FOX actually reported, people are leaving those other news shows in droves.
And all you can do is insult the "people" thinking your views are superior. Guess what, you're nothing more than an elitist snob, just like the rest of the LEFT.
I don't need a government to rule over me. Sorry, you can take your views and shove it. I'm a libertarian, and a Libertarian, and government is NOT the solution to any problem I know. It is a necessary evil, and does more harm than good.
I'm reminded of the quote by George Washington...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
Yeah, I'm one of the "right wing bigots" who think all men are equal. I don't presume to know what is best for someone other than me and my family, and I resent anyone who thinks otherwise!
So, take your elitist crap and shove it. I get plenty of news from a variety of sources, and I don't listen to just PBS, and I happen to like Fox News. I also like PBS, BBC, and Bloomberg.
Your whole premise is that people watch Fox News because it fits their views is so elitist and ignorant, and I'll prove it. Do you watch Fox news, and why not?
The funny thing is, you probably don't watch Fox News, because it doesn't fit your views. The very thing you are accusing others of.
Oil IS renewable. We can plant trees, algae and all those other "green" things often called "plant". They make excellent carbon sequestration devices, and many of them can be converted into Bio-Diesel.
The trick is being able to plant, grow, harvest and process enough of said plants to replace the Oil we Do use.
What the left fails to realize is that all that Carbon in the air, is not a bad thing for the planet. It used to be in the air, at one point. Plants converted this into Growth, and output this very toxic gas called "oxygen", which SLOWLY started killing off the plants. Then these little buggers called "animals" started to grow and adapt. They Breathed this toxic gas called Oxygen and converted the plant material into "Growth".
Along the way, some of this plant material was subducted underneath crust, and over time the heat and pressure converted it to this stuff called "oil".
WE NEED CLOTHES, We're geeks! If I wasn't wearing clothes, I'd be mistaken for a beached whale and be either harpooned or dragged back into the ocean by the skinny PETA / Greenpeace people.
Yeah, I hear that. I too hate listening to my own thoughts./sarcasm
You know, if people took the time they are given, to relax, take those moments to shift from WORK mode to HOME mode I bet that they wouldn't need to fill their brains with useless "entertainment".
I know I ask a lot, but geez folks, if you're stuck in traffic for 2 hours each day, take the time to listen to an audio book, learn a language, contemplate the intricacies of life and so on. What you do with the time you have says a lot about you.
Why should we have laws for new shit that nobody's thought before.
The government should be on a "DENY ALL, ALLOW FOO" type policy for ALL actions. If the government wants to do something "new" they should get permission before they do it. PERIOD.
In this case, the police should have had a policy for GPS tracking devices in place BEFORE the first one was deployed. Strict guidelines on when, how, and why they are used.
This is the problem with the shoot first, ask questions later mentality we tend to have in our government.
Viral Marketing is not manufactured. This is nothing more than Astroturfing; manufactured grass roots.
The people are PLASTIC and STIFF. You can tell with one look that it kind of looks real, but isn't. And if you played on astroturf, you'll know it isn't nearly as fun as real grass.
Not really. It only further secured that dubious distinction. Right now, Obama and the (D)s are making GWB look like a freaking genius, which if you asked me 12 months ago I would have said "inconceivable!".
Anybody else see anything wrong with this picture?
Yeah, 2 GB RAM to run THOSE apps. Good LUCK with that. Spend the extra $100-200 to get at least 4 GB.
I haven't bought a new system in 2 years with less than 4 GB ram, I'd prefer 8, but I'm not sure those particular units are 64 bit enabled.
I'd also like to see schools do this, and give the kids eBooks for Textbooks, especially in secondary schools, where carrying the 4-6 heavy books around all day gets tedious.
Here is a suggested tax structure to give an idea. This is only a suggestion to show concept, not what should be.
Assets held less than 1 year = 50% Assets held 1 to 2 years = 40% Assets held 2 to 5 years = 30% Assets held 5 to 10 years = 25% Assets held 10 to 25 years = 10% Assets held longer than 25 = 0%
That, and flattening and streamlining the normal income tax structure would also help. We shouldn't need FANCY accountants or tax lawyers to figure out our taxes. I also believe EVERYONE should pay SOMETHING in taxes. Yeah, this includes so-called "low income" people. Even if it is $100 or whatever (again concept only), they should have to write a check to the IRS every year.
THEN maybe they will care where the TAXes actually go.
Or, alternatively you make Corportate Tax Rates 0% and adjust Capital Gains taxes to reflect how long one holds a Capital Asset. Shorter held Assets are taxed at a much higher rate than those held long term.
You want to fix the economy? THAT one suggestion will solve all sorts of short sighted, unintended consequences and otherwise bad accounting. Building Value (asset appreciation) will be the LONG TERM GOAL, and not "income", which is a very short term goal.
It would also help take short term speculation (and short term manipulation) out of the market. It won't eliminate it, but it will reduce it substantially.
I really think our tax structure is part of the problem, and making it more complicated isn't the solution.
I'm sorry, but when the supreme law of the land is the GOVERNMENT and not PEOPLE (or gasp a "god") then the ULTIMATE authority that gives you that "Right" is the Government.
This is the problem with people who think that "society" has rights that can intrude on the rights of a mere citizen.
We are a people of laws, but the supreme law of the land is given to the states, or to the people, not to the FEDS. The US government is already totalitarian. We're just the frogs in the pot and haven't noticed the heat.
Any government regulation that requires extortion(threat of and by force) to work is by definition totalitarian.
Ah, but smart criminals are a subset of criminals, and the original post implied that smart criminals don't get caught, and if they do, they don't do time.
If I were a criminal, I'd go into politics, because it is way too easy to get away with crimes as a politician. Tax Evasion? NO PROBLEM! War Crimes? NO PROBLEM! (equal opportunity basher here).
To be a criminal outside of politics is Stupid, and hence, politicians are SMART criminals. It also pays better.
Government WANK alert system. Whereby the wankiness of a government is scaled by public opinions, and if the scale hits a certain point, everyone in public office at that time is tossed out at once, and we elect a whole new batch?
We can have a National Referendum day in 60 days from the time the WANK alert is triggered. 15 days to register to run, 15 days to organize campaigns, and 30 days to run. If people campaign before the official campaign limit, they are automatically excluded from the ballot.
And nobody can run if they have ever held elected office before.
I'm sick to death of Damned Professional Politicians. Lets get some amateurs in and see if they can do better.
Yes he is. While he wasn't seeking to PHYSICALLY harm the woman at this point, chances are a lot higher that he will in the future, compared to someone like me, who has the same basic technical skills to do the same thing, and yet never has.
While I agree that 5 years jail is over kill, when compared to other crimes (eg Michael Vick), it he does deserve some jail/prison time, AND a very long parole period.
Stupid people suffer, too, and are mostly not at fault for their stupidity.
Yes, while that is true, stupid SHOULD hurt. Stupid people just don't know their limits, that is what makes them stupid.
I know retarded people who are NOT STUPID, they know their limits. There are a few rare cases of people who know their limits, and yet push their limits to the extreme, and the funny thing is, they accept responsibility for their "stupidity" and often repeat their feats just because they like to know the exact bounds of their limits.
In the case of the article, I'd fire everyone who made that possible in the hospital, including IT, if needed.
If I were in IT at the hospital, I'd have documentation showing all the proposals I made to prevent such things from happening in the first place. And who rejected those proposals and their excuse.
And if the cost of the cleanup was REALLY $33,000 I'd use that as fodder for the next time someone rejected a security policy suggestion. But that is typical of IT, we only get funding when shit breaks.
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This is called "argumentum ad populum" and has been recognized as a logically fallacious argument for thousands of years.
If you're going to grade my argument, then you best be sure you know what you're talking about in the first place. The point I was making wasn't about the numbers of people, but the Elitism. I wasn't arguing about the popularity being right, I was arguing that your view was one of disdain for a large number of people.
You want to compare the literacy rate of "those who watch what is on those channels" with "what is on Fox News".
No you idiot, the "Those" in the original quote applies to both "that watch" portions. I'll fix it for you, so you can understand exactly what I meant.
I'd love to compare the literacy of say those that watch what is on those channels to those that watch what is on Fox News.
And if you didn't understand what I meant, you should have asked for CLARITY rather than being an ignorant grammar nazi.
Because there is a moderately significant correlation between people who no not pass high school and who vote Republican.
Citation needed.
Wait, I got one .... http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1
Look for Voting by Education, take a look at those who voted for Obama who didn't graduate HS ... 63% and McCain .... 35%.
I could equally say that most uneducated, and under educated minorities vote Democratic, but you'd call that "Racist", even if it is true. (and is the reason why (D) tend to vote to keep them ignorant, eg School Choice via vouchers)
or at least no formal education since you seem to be ignoring all the rules needed for a rational and civil discussion.
Blame it on my Public Education then, okay? My parents weren't rich enough to send me to one of those elite private schools where people can get a "formal" education.
I went to public schools and public university and have a degree in Business Finance and I haven't worked a day in the Financial sector since college. I've been in IT. So I'm just a stupid ignorant idiot, yup. Thank you for reminding me how bad public education REALLY is. (That is Sarcasm, in case you missed it).
It takes one to know one!
The self righteous sanctimony and distain you have of what is CLEARLY more people than ABC/NBC/CBS and probably CNN combined is interesting. I'd love to compare the literacy of say those that watch what is on those channels to that of what is on Fox News.
The problem with people such as yourself, you can't imagine anyone having an opinion that is different than you, and when you even try, you end up saying that they are ignorant(and racist, and sexist ....)
Take for example the recent march on Washington, who covered it with any depth? If you watched the "main stream" (Urine Stream) news, you may have got a tidbit here or there, with one of the more radical signs of Obama as Hitler or whatever, and if that was the sole source of your "news", you would come away thinking that it was just "20,000" (or a "few") "right wing" cranks.
The problem is, the left does WAY more to marginalize news they don't want reported than say "Fox" does. It isn't just reporting something, it is HOW it is reported. Yeah, it is easy to say "Don't watch Glenn Beck" and then say "He's a racist"(having never watched or heard him) than it is to watch his whole show and take the quotes in context.
And now we have a president that has DUBIOUS connections and continues to surround himself with all sorts of "radical" people who are far outside even Democrat mainstream, and now when people finally realize how RADICAL he is, something only FOX actually reported, people are leaving those other news shows in droves.
And all you can do is insult the "people" thinking your views are superior. Guess what, you're nothing more than an elitist snob, just like the rest of the LEFT.
I don't need a government to rule over me. Sorry, you can take your views and shove it. I'm a libertarian, and a Libertarian, and government is NOT the solution to any problem I know. It is a necessary evil, and does more harm than good.
I'm reminded of the quote by George Washington ...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
Yeah, I'm one of the "right wing bigots" who think all men are equal. I don't presume to know what is best for someone other than me and my family, and I resent anyone who thinks otherwise!
So, take your elitist crap and shove it. I get plenty of news from a variety of sources, and I don't listen to just PBS, and I happen to like Fox News. I also like PBS, BBC, and Bloomberg.
Your whole premise is that people watch Fox News because it fits their views is so elitist and ignorant, and I'll prove it. Do you watch Fox news, and why not?
The funny thing is, you probably don't watch Fox News, because it doesn't fit your views. The very thing you are accusing others of.
Pot, meet Kettle.
Oil IS renewable. We can plant trees, algae and all those other "green" things often called "plant". They make excellent carbon sequestration devices, and many of them can be converted into Bio-Diesel.
The trick is being able to plant, grow, harvest and process enough of said plants to replace the Oil we Do use.
What the left fails to realize is that all that Carbon in the air, is not a bad thing for the planet. It used to be in the air, at one point. Plants converted this into Growth, and output this very toxic gas called "oxygen", which SLOWLY started killing off the plants. Then these little buggers called "animals" started to grow and adapt. They Breathed this toxic gas called Oxygen and converted the plant material into "Growth".
Along the way, some of this plant material was subducted underneath crust, and over time the heat and pressure converted it to this stuff called "oil".
We're just bringing the earth back into balance ;)
WE NEED CLOTHES, We're geeks! If I wasn't wearing clothes, I'd be mistaken for a beached whale and be either harpooned or dragged back into the ocean by the skinny PETA / Greenpeace people.
Please, let me have clothes!
Yeah, I hear that. I too hate listening to my own thoughts. /sarcasm
You know, if people took the time they are given, to relax, take those moments to shift from WORK mode to HOME mode I bet that they wouldn't need to fill their brains with useless "entertainment".
I know I ask a lot, but geez folks, if you're stuck in traffic for 2 hours each day, take the time to listen to an audio book, learn a language, contemplate the intricacies of life and so on. What you do with the time you have says a lot about you.
And now, all the new cars are coming with these fancy IN DASH computer thingies with GPS and stuff, creating even MORE distractions in the car.
I can't wait till we start to see those bastards on the road.
Why should we have laws for new shit that nobody's thought before.
The government should be on a "DENY ALL, ALLOW FOO" type policy for ALL actions. If the government wants to do something "new" they should get permission before they do it. PERIOD.
In this case, the police should have had a policy for GPS tracking devices in place BEFORE the first one was deployed. Strict guidelines on when, how, and why they are used.
This is the problem with the shoot first, ask questions later mentality we tend to have in our government.
Try checking out a document(MSWORD, MSEXCEL) from Firefox, using some other WP or SS application. Not everyone has MSOFFICE ($59 VLA) installed.
It isn't just FIREFOX, it is .... MSOFFICE that it requires. And if you have that, you might as well use IE, because you're on Windows.
Nuff Said.
Lemme guess, you'll want to guard them with sharks with friggin lazers!
Viral Marketing is not manufactured. This is nothing more than Astroturfing; manufactured grass roots.
The people are PLASTIC and STIFF. You can tell with one look that it kind of looks real, but isn't. And if you played on astroturf, you'll know it isn't nearly as fun as real grass.
Two Negatives = Positive, like Three right turns = one left. It is a universal rule!
Not really. It only further secured that dubious distinction. Right now, Obama and the (D)s are making GWB look like a freaking genius, which if you asked me 12 months ago I would have said "inconceivable!".
Yeah, 2 GB RAM to run THOSE apps. Good LUCK with that. Spend the extra $100-200 to get at least 4 GB.
I haven't bought a new system in 2 years with less than 4 GB ram, I'd prefer 8, but I'm not sure those particular units are 64 bit enabled.
I'd also like to see schools do this, and give the kids eBooks for Textbooks, especially in secondary schools, where carrying the 4-6 heavy books around all day gets tedious.
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Okay, we are returning "Freedom Fries" back to their original name "French Fries". Happy now?
We still apologize for French's Mustard, which is not french and can barely be called mustard.
Here is a suggested tax structure to give an idea. This is only a suggestion to show concept, not what should be.
Assets held less than 1 year = 50%
Assets held 1 to 2 years = 40%
Assets held 2 to 5 years = 30%
Assets held 5 to 10 years = 25%
Assets held 10 to 25 years = 10%
Assets held longer than 25 = 0%
That, and flattening and streamlining the normal income tax structure would also help. We shouldn't need FANCY accountants or tax lawyers to figure out our taxes. I also believe EVERYONE should pay SOMETHING in taxes. Yeah, this includes so-called "low income" people. Even if it is $100 or whatever (again concept only), they should have to write a check to the IRS every year.
THEN maybe they will care where the TAXes actually go.
Or, alternatively you make Corportate Tax Rates 0% and adjust Capital Gains taxes to reflect how long one holds a Capital Asset. Shorter held Assets are taxed at a much higher rate than those held long term.
You want to fix the economy? THAT one suggestion will solve all sorts of short sighted, unintended consequences and otherwise bad accounting. Building Value (asset appreciation) will be the LONG TERM GOAL, and not "income", which is a very short term goal.
It would also help take short term speculation (and short term manipulation) out of the market. It won't eliminate it, but it will reduce it substantially.
I really think our tax structure is part of the problem, and making it more complicated isn't the solution.
I'm sorry, but when the supreme law of the land is the GOVERNMENT and not PEOPLE (or gasp a "god") then the ULTIMATE authority that gives you that "Right" is the Government.
This is the problem with people who think that "society" has rights that can intrude on the rights of a mere citizen.
We are a people of laws, but the supreme law of the land is given to the states, or to the people, not to the FEDS. The US government is already totalitarian. We're just the frogs in the pot and haven't noticed the heat.
Any government regulation that requires extortion(threat of and by force) to work is by definition totalitarian.
Ah, but smart criminals are a subset of criminals, and the original post implied that smart criminals don't get caught, and if they do, they don't do time.
If I were a criminal, I'd go into politics, because it is way too easy to get away with crimes as a politician. Tax Evasion? NO PROBLEM! War Crimes? NO PROBLEM! (equal opportunity basher here).
To be a criminal outside of politics is Stupid, and hence, politicians are SMART criminals. It also pays better.
SOME criminals are stupid... obviously, you never hear about the smart ones.
Sure you do, they are called congressmen and senators.
Government WANK alert system. Whereby the wankiness of a government is scaled by public opinions, and if the scale hits a certain point, everyone in public office at that time is tossed out at once, and we elect a whole new batch?
We can have a National Referendum day in 60 days from the time the WANK alert is triggered. 15 days to register to run, 15 days to organize campaigns, and 30 days to run. If people campaign before the official campaign limit, they are automatically excluded from the ballot.
And nobody can run if they have ever held elected office before.
I'm sick to death of Damned Professional Politicians. Lets get some amateurs in and see if they can do better.
Yes he is. While he wasn't seeking to PHYSICALLY harm the woman at this point, chances are a lot higher that he will in the future, compared to someone like me, who has the same basic technical skills to do the same thing, and yet never has.
While I agree that 5 years jail is over kill, when compared to other crimes (eg Michael Vick), it he does deserve some jail/prison time, AND a very long parole period.
Yes, while that is true, stupid SHOULD hurt. Stupid people just don't know their limits, that is what makes them stupid.
I know retarded people who are NOT STUPID, they know their limits. There are a few rare cases of people who know their limits, and yet push their limits to the extreme, and the funny thing is, they accept responsibility for their "stupidity" and often repeat their feats just because they like to know the exact bounds of their limits.
In the case of the article, I'd fire everyone who made that possible in the hospital, including IT, if needed.
If I were in IT at the hospital, I'd have documentation showing all the proposals I made to prevent such things from happening in the first place. And who rejected those proposals and their excuse.
And if the cost of the cleanup was REALLY $33,000 I'd use that as fodder for the next time someone rejected a security policy suggestion. But that is typical of IT, we only get funding when shit breaks.