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  1. Re:Not supreme court on 'DVD Jon' Acquitted On All Counts in DeCSS Case · · Score: 2

    > There you go, that should clear it up!
    Thanks alot! (-8

    > Just for laughs, do they teach you to spell "valor", valour? And which pronunciation do they tell you to use for the letter "Z"? Okay, last but not least, realized or realised?

    But, well of course we learn British english! Valour, favourites, realised. Fish'n'chips. I even have a northern english accent on my spoken language.. Can't stand american english. Though, you can ask to be evaluated with american english instead, if you happen to like it.

  2. Re:Not supreme court on 'DVD Jon' Acquitted On All Counts in DeCSS Case · · Score: 2

    Ah. This is where my english vocabulary comes to an end. Pity, I always thought of myself as rather good in english, considering it's not my native language. Ah well. Though, in my recollection, I have never had any conversation in wich kitchen stuff have played any significant part.

    On afterthought, I recon the word "plate" is the thing you put food you're about to eat on. The norwegian word "plate" means coil on top of the oven. The norwegian word is much better, as it cannot be confused (-8 So if I got this straight:

    Coil on top of oven: Round peices of metal mounted on top of a largish object in the kitchen, wich purpose is to heat kettles and such (like heating water).

    Heating coil inside the oven: Carefully crafted device designed to make the temparture inside the oven high enough for broiling (like chicken).

    Am I right? Sorry, I just have to get this. Are there no specific words for these devices in english? What do one say, "hey, put the kettle on the coil? Turn down the temperature on the coil, so that the potatoes won't die?"

    The overwhelming majority of ovens are electric, even in Norway as well. Though I'm a fan of the old ones, based on wood and fire (-8

    I can't beleive I don't already know this! Here I am, having had (ehm.. is that correct english?) english for the last eight or nine years at school and only reading english literature, not able to understand the simplest kitchen stuff? The shame!

  3. Re:Not supreme court on 'DVD Jon' Acquitted On All Counts in DeCSS Case · · Score: 2

    Well, that puts things in an entirly different light, and all my other posts are useless. In that case, sorry, so long and thanks for all the fish.

    Though Googling didn't come up with arguments like that..

  4. Re:Not supreme court on 'DVD Jon' Acquitted On All Counts in DeCSS Case · · Score: 1

    First of all, I take back some of the statments in my grand-parent post. 40 degrees liquid won't give anyone serious burns. 50 degrees can, according to a Red Cross member I know. That particular case was the opposite of a burn (a freeze? Any good english words?) on a foot and somebody tried to heat it with water around 50 degrees. It was probably for some time, but it ended with both freeze AND burn injury (thought not third grade).

    The reason air around 50 degrees don't give anyone skin burns, AFAIK is that it has a lower capacity of transporting heat. There's probably a much better way to say this in english, but my physics was learned in another language.

    Anyway, in my opinion, coffee-shops, restaurants and the like may serve their coffee just as hot as they may, even at 85 degrees. At a special coffee-house near my school, you get each cup of coffee individually steamed. Steamed water is about 100 degrees. When it enters the cup, it's not damp but water, but the temperature can't be that much lower. You get the cup seconds after it's finished. The cup is so hot they wrap it in insulation for you to carry to your table. I love it. Nobody has any problems with that, and if they spill it, it's their problem.

    I most certainly agree that my comment was ill-informed on the case of McDonalds, but I'm questioning the mere concept of the lawsuit - that spilling hot coffee on oneself is reason enough to sue and win. I read up on some of the links Google told me, but none seem to deny this fact.

    By "If you need, I can probably look up some information on this" I meant "look up information on the subject discussed in this paragraph only." That is, information on how everything in life involves rics, and the statistics in traffic, boat and plane accidents and how dangerous it may be. There's a lot of information on this at Statistics Norway (http://www.ssb.no). According to them, 8 440 peoplo were killed or injured in car accidents, none in train accidents and none in airplane accidents (on norwegian grounds). I couldn't find statistics on means of transportation on water. We're talking about a population of about 4M. Now, that was the information on the dangers involved in transportation. Life is dangerous, you won't survive it.

    I'm not trying to argue wether or not this is good and desirable ethics by McDonalds. I know the reason for keeping the coffee that hot is pure money-making. Maybe they shouldn't have kept their coffee that hot. But that's not the point.

    In Norway, there's no such thing as industry standard hot coffee or industry standard temperature on ovens. It's different from place to place. Even if all oven manufacturers and coffee servers kept their products at the same temperature, and suddenly one of them keep theirs at a higher temperature, it wouldn't be enough to sue anyone. There's a risc involved in both cooking and coffee-drinking (though not very high riscs). Both is at temperatures high enough to hurt you.

    I really can't beleive I'm having this discussion! In Norway, there's quite strict laws and regulations that protects consumers. Nobody needs to sue anybody. By the slightest complain to the Consumer Department most buisnesses give over at once and do whatever they can to avoid negative public reactions. But on the subject of serving hot coffee..!

    (All degrees are in Celsius. Quite a lot of countries use Celsius, and rarely see Fahrenheit. I know only of one country still using the imperial system (as opposed to the metric system) and Fahrenheit.)

    P.S. Sorry if this post seems a bit angry - it is. I'm sure I haven't got all my facts straight, but the point remains, I hope. The mentality of american way dealing with justice .. puzzles me.

    And for the karma whoring: Please don't moderate. At least not "insightful." "Interesting," maybe, but please none at all. This is merely a way for me to get my feelings out (-8

  5. Re:Not supreme court on 'DVD Jon' Acquitted On All Counts in DeCSS Case · · Score: 2

    Coffee is served at different temperatures at different places. Some places probably 20 degrees hotter than others. Depends on the time of purchase. If McDonalds found that keeping the coffee hot would require less disposals, great! They did not put the customer at any more risc than other places (like the cafe called Vågen in Bergen, where the coffee is really hot). Warm coffee is dangerous (to the extent that coffee actually _is_ dangerous) all the same.

    I was refering to the the plates(?) on top of ovens (no idea what they are called in english). If different temperatures is the issue, then it's a good example. They operate at different temperatures with different vendors. We have a really old oven, and the max effect is about 1500W. Newer ovens have plates(?) at a much higher effect, thus making them hotter. The insulation probably varies from vendor to vendor as well. Nobody clear minded in Norway would sue the manufacturer for burns gotten by ovens. Nobody would win anyway.

    Different cars have different security measures, thus making them more or less secure than their competitors. You can't sue one manufacturer for making a car less secure than the other (as long as both parts followed the rules and regulations involved in making cars). Not in Norway, at any rate.

    My point still stands, IMO. If you spill coffee over yourself, it's your own fault. It doesn't matter wether the coffee was kept warmer than everywhere else.

  6. Re:There is No Anti-Industrial Subtext on Lord of the Rings, as Written By Everyone Else · · Score: 2

    Dwarves mines for gold
    Strictly speaking, dwarves mined for Mithril. That was what lead Moria to its abandonment (is that a word?).


    The hobbits of course were farmers.
    Since I'm on to knit-picking, the hobbits were hunters too. They have "hunter-bows" in the last chapter of the sixth book (in Return of the King), the Scouring of the Shire. They even show some skill with them too. Wormtounge is killed by three arrows before Saruman fell to the ground.

    Else, I agree with you. Though I'm not sure wether the Ents opposed industry, or just industry involving trees. On the other hand, all industry in middle earth involved trees.

  7. Re:it's a good thing it wasn't... on Lord of the Rings, as Written By Everyone Else · · Score: 2

    Congrats on obscure Guide-phrasing!

    Not to mention the undetermined elevators. Nobody would ever get to the top of Orthanc unless they knew any particulary depressed robots.

    "The planet Nowwhat had been named after the words uttered by its first settlers. Arthur got a room in a small inn on the outskirts of the only city, wich was called Ohwell."

  8. Re:Not supreme court on 'DVD Jon' Acquitted On All Counts in DeCSS Case · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    How hot is "abnormally" hot? I, for one, like my coffee rather warm. Any drinkable coffee (that is, warmer than about 40 degrees Celsius) is capable of giving you quite interesting skin burns. Any (relativly) hot liqiud that stays on your skin any longer than a few seconds can give you third degree burns. I've seen it. It's not particulary nice, since it involves the fact that the skin is burned away.

    There is, apparently according to McDonalds, always a risk involved drinking coffee. Most people agree that coffee should be hotter than 40 degrees. If you decide to (or accidently) pour coffee over youself, to bad. Your fault. Not McDonalds. They merely sold you the coffee. There is a lot of bad things about McDonalds, but I'm giving them this one.

    Drinking coffee is not among the most dangerous things to do. If you burn yourself on the oven at home, would you sue the manufacturer of the oven? Alomst all things in life involves taking riscs. Have you any idea of how dangerous it is to ride a car? Far more dangerous than airplanes, boats and trains combined. If you need, I can probably look up some information on this.

    There's another reason why this couldn't happen in Norway as well - free medical attention. If you happen to get third degree burns (for example here in Bergen, where the best burn-injury(?) hospital in the northern parts of Europe is situated) an ambulance would get you to the hospital, and you'd get immediate medical care completly free of charge. There wouldn't be any medical bills to pay.

    Now I'll get up and brew a nice cup of hot Java coffee (my favourite). You now, when the coffee is brewed, it's over a hundred degrees warm! Imagine spilling that over yourself! I'd sue somebody.

  9. Re:Desperate for silent machines on Computer Room Hot? · · Score: 2

    ..you're absolutely right. But keep in mind that this is the Internet, and there's a significant number of people who's native language is not English. Mine, for example. And do/does-errors are quite easy to slip by when writing English, especially when not even native American/British speakers get it right.

    That said, somebody named Ian is probably English.

  10. Re:Folders on newdocms: Beyond the Hierarchical File System · · Score: 2

    True enough, and you touch upon the hardest parts of AI - understanding of storytelling. ThoughtTreasure does quite a good job on it, IMO, for a computer.

    But how fine-grained does a file-system (or more descripively, file-organisator) have to relate different concepts? There is no need for human-like understanding of contexts. (Irony and sarcasm I suspect is the hardest concepts to grasp for a computer.) And if you're looking for a Kubrick-movie, but find a Peter Sellers movie instead, it's just a matter of asking for something different that relates to the movie you're looking for (like fueling of an airborne plane - wich movie are we talking about?).

    In written language, there are fewer sources of misunderstanding than in spoken language. Thus, it's (relativly) easier to create parsers for documents than speech. A lot of metadata can already be extracted with today's technology. A system which combines computer-generated meta-data and the information the user supplies could be a reality if somebody sits down and think it through.

    Just my 1.38980 NOK

  11. Re:Folders on newdocms: Beyond the Hierarchical File System · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Russian puppets - forgot the name
    Babushkas. If you want some, there's always Google.

    Consider this: you save your spreadsheet today as "Yearly Report 2002", and two days later you want to call it back your mind just doesn't say "Yearly Report 2002", but more like "Financial Data last year". Then your nice database-filesystem won't find it either. Unless there is some serious AI backing it.
    Now that would be an interesting file storage abstraction. I've played with the idea of a relational file structure, that would enable one to save meta-information on a file and later find it by information that relates to it. Implemented correctly, you could save your "Yearly Report 2001" and later find it by asking for "financial data two years ago". Something that combines newdocms and ThoughtTreasure.

    ThoughtTreasureTM is a relational information storage handler combined with a (semi-)intelligent AI. You can supply information like "Peter loves Paul" and "Paul hates Cahtrine." You can then ask questions like "Who does Peter like?" and "What relationship are there between Paul and Cahtrine?" If you say stuff like "Peter dislikes Paul" it complains like "But I thought Peter loved Paul." But it goes far further than that. You can have it parse a movie review, and ask about information about the movie "Who directed Pulp Fiction? Who starred it?"

    Combined with a file storage solution, this would open quite interesting, new forms of computer file storage.

  12. Re:sadly, they are not the world's fastest anymore on Opera Gives That C64 Feel · · Score: 2

    But nothing rocks like the pop-up killer in Opera 7. It pops up only pop-ups that you _asked for_ (or, clicked on). Works like a charm. Can't wait for Opera 7 on Linux..

  13. Re:Well, DUH! on Console Games Sales Beat Out PC · · Score: 2

    You're probably right, but the XBox runs AFAIK a stripped down version of the Windows 2000 kernel. I've seen Windows 2000 go down in blue screens, to theoretically it can go BSOD. Though I'm quite sure that Microsoft actually has QA on both games and console. There's certainly less a number of things that can go wrong on a console.

  14. Re:that's pretty neat.. on Google's new toys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, since we're on to knitpicking..

    The physics involved in the action of hammering a nail into something (e.g. wood), is quite complex. But you've got a nice and fairly easy interface to it with your hammer, thus you don't need to know much physics.

  15. Re:BSD or Linux on Nokia's Communicator on QuickTime On Your Cell Phone · · Score: 2

    I don't think you get the geek factor of this.. It would've been WAY cool to have Unix on this thing! I'd consider buying one if they ported NetBSD to it.

    Who cares about phoning people? Another six months, and somebody'll hack a phone-program that will only phone out between 5 and 6 in the morning, and you'll have write the config scripts yourself. But hey! It's cool!

  16. Re:I failed! on Human vs Computer Intelligence · · Score: 2

    They display just fine in Opera 6.1 Beta on Linux. I even passed the test (-8

  17. Re:Cool on META Predicts Linux Software From Microsoft in 2004 · · Score: 2

    Since English isn't my native language, I'm wondering if you meant that ironically or not. If you were, disregard this message, sorry, ha-ha and all that (-8

    Else; why would you enslave everyone in your corporate? Why would you him to pay you off that first fish? If you give (taste the word) someone something, it's theirs. If you demand interests of it, it's a loan. I'm all for giving something, especially since I've got enough of everything.

  18. Re:Cool on META Predicts Linux Software From Microsoft in 2004 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish.
    Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.


    The man only owes you a fish if you demand it back. The ideal solution would be to give a man fish while you learn him to how to fish, so that he won't starve to death before he can fish for himself. Then demand nothing back.

  19. Re:Two Towers Trailer on Psst! Eight Bits Gets You "The Two Towers" In China · · Score: 2

    I think the music fits quite nicely to the trailer.. It adds to the mood. And I'm so taken by the visuals of the trailer that I forget all about heroin..

  20. Re:will work for food on Clothes Make the Network · · Score: 2

    Great Nick Cave-song!

  21. Re:Because of the hidden meaning of Pi. on A Much Bigger Piece Of Pi · · Score: 2

    Do we know this? Has anyone actually translated this to ASCII or something? Had been great fun to run it against a dictionary to check for words.

    However, I'm fairly sure the number 42 has a meaning inside Pi..

  22. Re:Well duh on Win2k Cheaper than Linux · · Score: 2

    I agree!

    There's a certain factor of "the American Tunnel Vision Syndrome" around. Only two countries in the world still use the imperial system; USA and Libya (if I'm not mistaking). Thus, in any international communication, Americans should adhere to what have to be defined as a world standard.

    A bitt off-topic, perhaps..

  23. Re:Well duh on Win2k Cheaper than Linux · · Score: 2

    There's a lot more to driving a car than that. How about driving down a long hill? Do you keep pressing the brakes? On a manual you just gear down, and let the engine brake for you.

    Have you ever been driving on icy roads with an automatic, and suddenly began to slide? That's when a clutch is nice to have.

    It a number of situations, it's quite useful to be able to control the power from the engine to the wheels. I'd take a manual over an automatic anytime. The only problem is that the car I'm using at the time isn't mine, and has automatic.. )-8

  24. Re:NEWS FLASH on Software Choice Group Tells DOD Not to Use Open Source · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But wouldn't it be even better if FAA (no idea what it is, but it probably has something to do with airplanes and america (Flying Assosicaition of America?)) developed an in-house system with good auditing AND make it open source? The more eyes, the better.

    You could argue that if the source is open, a nasty cracker (133t, is that it?) might stumble upon a security hole (3xp101t?) and take advantage of it. But it wouldn't take long before the rest of the 'net (or whatever the fora) knew it as well, and some smart people at FAA would at that time probably pick up the information, and have patches from the community waiting for in-house auditing. It's a better scenario than if a cracker found a security hole (3XpL0itz?) in a closed source, and nobody would know but the cracker. Your airplane goes down just like the servers..

    I dunno if this is my honest opinion. I'm just asking, trying to establish a position. If I'm wrong, enlighten me!

  25. Re:You all know where this will lead on Scientists Attempting to Create Simple Life Form · · Score: 2

    Hey, you don't need a scientist for that! Hand me the woman..