there are three kind of people in the world; idealists, realists and opportunists.
GNU advocates, GreenParty/Peta/EarthFirst/etc Members are idealists, your a realist and the 'status-quo' advocates are the opportunists (politicians/capitalists/marketroids).
Only idealists can make positive change.
I refuse to resign myself to becoming a realist or opportunist... they are roadblocks to progress.
hey, i do use kazaa - what i find is some mislabled file is not going to be exactly mislabled by 15 people... now, i could setup 15 clients to do this but what would be the purpose EXCEPT to f with people.. only the MPAA has the time to bother.
I downloded and watched the new Solaris (its absolute shit - dont bother) from Kazaa last eve... curious, i checked for "two towers" lo and behold, there were about 15 people w/ something resembling lotrttt1of1.avi and lotrttt1of2.avi (or somesuch). That 15 people had it is a litmus test, if it was purely bogus, would 15 people have the same thing?
basically, i passed it up (im going to wait to see Oz in a proper theater) THEN i'll dload it to watch at liesure until i can get a proper VCD copy.
in brief: i have every reason to believe you can dload it now from kazaa.
Huh? what you believe in? Are you kidding? read a book, volunteer at the local library, run for office, join a club -- for god's sake man, disengange yourself, and your opinions/thoughts/beliefs/whatever from your ENTERTAINMENT.
'campaigning' to save a television show is the new low in USAmerican culture - 30% vote (or some sad #) -- but they all have an opinion on Josh and Sally's relationship on Friends.
Start by telling these students about what Freedom Software does for them -- and what they can do with it.
it would be cool to show them some set DISPLAY=1xx.xx.x.x basics and get them wowed about X (something they cant do w/ windows at present), or maybe a DHCP server.. but try and explain that the code is available and show them a little gcc a.out action in vanilla c.
Then tell them that gnome or dhcpd is GNU Freedom Software. Then send them home w/ a Redhat (mandrake?) CD.
Kids love free stuff - even if they dont exactly connect libre w/ free just yet, they will.
an omnipotent god created the entire universe in 7 days by an act of will. He dictated this history and his wishes to people to chronicle in book - called the bible...this book is infallible and is the exact word of god - there ARE NO ERRORS CONTAINED within.
god flooded the earth and slaughtered thousands on countless occasions because he loved them.
Hey, we'll say anything to keep you ignorant and paying your tithe
it is explicitly stated that the existence of God can not be proven
And why is that?
IF something cant be measured it doesnt exist. Because we cant measure God dosnt mean he doesnt exist NOR does it mean he does. What the parent-poster was trying to assert was that the proof that God DOESNT exist is unecessary. Proof that he DOES is. Anyone who says " I belive in God. You should too." MUST have a proof that a God exists for him (and myself) to agree. That God exists needs to be proven -- because it cant, sensible people will not agree that he does.
To take it one step further, I say God doesnt exist because the 'proof' otherwise is so baseless, so laughably ridiculous -- so flatly stupid -- that i cant imagine "mistakes" were made in the argument; the 'ideas' forwarded by advocates of judeo-christian mythology are so incredibly preposterous that a correct DEFINITION of "GOD" should still be their goal.
Did life start underwater? HuH? What are you talking about? It is clearly stated in the Bible that Adam and Eve were in a garden, and I dont think ive ever seen a Garden underwater -- you silly head.
I dont understand why those silly scientists continue to talk about such nonsense, really i mean, we already have the Bible which details the creation of the earth and the universe 4000 years ago! it says it right there, in black and white! I mean, Didnt God just create life on like the 2nd or 3rd day?
You better go ask your priest if you need simple questions like these answered.
All goods should pay for their disposal UP FRONT. Like PC disposal charges, this would internalize the disposal cost. Why is the state (when in the US it does so little of real value) required to offer disposal services? Why not require manufacturers/purchasers pay the cost directly?
Something like that would go ALONG way in curbing consumer culture - can you imagine, actually being RESPONSIBLE (to a degree) for the whole environmental cost of consumerism?
if we could only internalize the environmental cost of manufacture of items into their costs... that would be great... oh, and the cost to REHABILITATE the planet because of all the needless pollution... terrific.
It begs the question of what else could have been done with the same money and far superior management.
Just a moment. Your statemnet implies that badmanagment has resulted in a bad cost vs gain scenario.
I want to stop you right there, because I do not see why it would be assumed that bad MANAGMENT of the money (obviously by NASA) is to blame here. Maybe the cost vs gain inequality here had to do with a bad set of OBJECTIVES? or maybe, the problem had to do with an EXTERNAL situation?
Had the goal "build a spacestation REALLY cheap" been the goal, things might have been different... but "REALLY cheap" sometimes ends up requiring some other things, like exposure to additional risk (like.. people going boom in the shuttle launch kinda risk). Now, Im not saying "all risk is bad" (in fact, i would argue that MORE physical risk is acceptable in ventures like these (exploration is a human nature)). FURTHER, maybe Plutocratic PORK BARRALING has built in some costs here - like requiring NASA spread its $ joy round many states unnecessarily. Instead of being forced to only use US suppliers (in some cases (for fantasy 'security risk' scenarios). US suppliers wouldnt have been used had COST-ONLY methodology been used... isnt this free market wonderfull? Free when you can internalize gain (kickbacks as 'campaign contributions), not so Free-A-Market when you can make costs public..(big fat NASA budgets)
What im gettin at is this -- ALL major endevours have an element of mismanagment, ALL major endevours are handled by large organizations.. in this case NASA.
This poster has revealed a true misconception (bigotry/paranoia) that is VERY distinctly American: That the GUMMINT is inefficient and wastefull. This is NOT TRUE. The Government (NASA), like any other LARGE body is a very difficult thing to organize -- and keep efficient (hence the cost vs. gain 'problem' mentioned above). Anyone who works in a large-ish organization can attest to absurd waste and absolute chaos*... THOSE NATURAL elements of organizations bread inefficiency either in the Government or Private worlds.
FUTHER, this post reveals the author's ignorance, it replaces a false meme and is flatly misleading. Being based on false assumptions, it is too biased a basis for a valid discussion.
So, on this topic, I would say that 40Billion was well spent, and the ISS cost exactly that - as it should have... now, if you want to say, should we have build an ISS, that I believe, is the real question... not this venting of Anti-Gummint McCarthy-ispired idiocy. This is really an example of a Plutocratic and corrupt government using NASA as a slush-organization to reap some personal rewards...
*I work at a "Fortune 5" (not 500, but 5) companie... and I see tens of thousands literally flushed daily.. so dont try and tell me about private enterprise being inherently efficient.... its utter bollocks.
..the trouble is that "trademark" law is "expanding". In the past, no one would consider bringing such an obviously wrong accusation.
This would only be a problem if a prospective customer would be confused between item A && item B based on an infringing trademark. For instance, Phoenix Bios and Foenix Bios - the latter would obviously be infringing. But in this case, Phoenix the Web Browser can never cause confusion because there is no possibility of a web browser-item being confused with a bios-item.
So, even a layperson can see there is no infringement - BUT- in the new universe of corporate-lawyer as bullies , Phoenix Bios only has to accuse Phoenix Web-Browser in order that the Browser people would have to change the name, *because* they havnt the $ resources to buy their justice.
Hah! Back in my high school, every computer in the building was running a BASIC interpreter, which we could type programs to over a 1200 baud teletype. Did I mention there was only one computer, and it occupied the entire building?
Hah! Hah! back in my high school every computer in the building was an ABACUS, which was operated by a student! We had to simulate the ALU of a CPU by arranging desks in the gymnasium (which was actually just a big cave beyond the river) - we would perform a binary addition and have to SPEAK to the person near us on the "BUS" with the result. It would take HOURS to add to long integers... and, due to the advanced Telephone Effect (tm) - there was a 99% error rate - we had to perform the calculation hundreds of times before we could be certain of the result...
We did this all without shoes in the snow, uphill both ways.
Bah! IC based computers running on electricity - we WERE THE CPU && ELECTRICITY!
clock cycles? shit, we could only process on the leading edge of the SUN!
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I see that as immature.
Whats it like believing yourself to be the posessor of the "officially correct" point-of-view/opinion?
Calling someone immature is about as reasonable as calling you a fuckwhit - its lazy, tired and pointless.
there are three kind of people in the world; idealists, realists and opportunists.
GNU advocates, GreenParty/Peta/EarthFirst/etc Members are idealists, your a realist and the 'status-quo' advocates are the opportunists (politicians/capitalists/marketroids).
Only idealists can make positive change.
I refuse to resign myself to becoming a realist or opportunist... they are roadblocks to progress.
...because GNU/Linux is Free as in Freedom.
...about pricewatch, they need to start listing MANUFACTURERS part number. Any PN-listing not 'offical' from a manufacturer should be killed...
perfect liquid market - cut out the middle man...
Did "Guild raid night" also cause them to miss "Divorce Court?"
oh, yes, thats very telling.
I think you need to get "addicted" to something like work.
Thats just what we need, to get addicted to work... i sense *you* might have a love-hate relationship w/ work...?
we had about 5-7CM of snow a week back, its melted since. It has been pretty chilly last 2-3 days though. Not a chance of snow - sky is clear.
hey, i do use kazaa - what i find is some mislabled file is not going to be exactly mislabled by 15 people... now, i could setup 15 clients to do this but what would be the purpose EXCEPT to f with people.. only the MPAA has the time to bother.
Amusing ourselves to death - Neil Postman
I downloded and watched the new Solaris (its absolute shit - dont bother) from Kazaa last eve... curious, i checked for "two towers" lo and behold, there were about 15 people w/ something resembling lotrttt1of1.avi and lotrttt1of2.avi (or somesuch). That 15 people had it is a litmus test, if it was purely bogus, would 15 people have the same thing?
basically, i passed it up (im going to wait to see Oz in a proper theater) THEN i'll dload it to watch at liesure until i can get a proper VCD copy.
in brief: i have every reason to believe you can dload it now from kazaa.
Stand up for what you believe in
Huh? what you believe in? Are you kidding? read a book, volunteer at the local library, run for office, join a club -- for god's sake man, disengange yourself, and your opinions/thoughts/beliefs/whatever from your ENTERTAINMENT.
'campaigning' to save a television show is the new low in USAmerican culture - 30% vote (or some sad #) -- but they all have an opinion on Josh and Sally's relationship on Friends.
jesus f'ing christ.
How can we fight this?
Help put ANYONE in office who is not a Republicrat.
Easy.
Shortest. Answers. Ever.
...but you could destroy the 2H and end up w/ O, energy and heat.
Start by telling these students about what Freedom Software does for them -- and what they can do with it.
it would be cool to show them some set DISPLAY=1xx.xx.x.x basics and get them wowed about X (something they cant do w/ windows at present), or maybe a DHCP server.. but try and explain that the code is available and show them a little gcc a.out action in vanilla c.
Then tell them that gnome or dhcpd is GNU Freedom Software. Then send them home w/ a Redhat (mandrake?) CD.
Kids love free stuff - even if they dont exactly connect libre w/ free just yet, they will.
an omnipotent god created the entire universe in 7 days by an act of will. He dictated this history and his wishes to people to chronicle in book - called the bible...this book is infallible and is the exact word of god - there ARE NO ERRORS CONTAINED within.
god flooded the earth and slaughtered thousands on countless occasions because he loved them.
Hey, we'll say anything to keep you ignorant and paying your tithe
On the question of judeo-christian mythology's God being good or bad, see my favorite source for Bible quotes:
Landoverbaptist.com A real treasure...
it is explicitly stated that the existence of God can not be proven
And why is that?
IF something cant be measured it doesnt exist. Because we cant measure God dosnt mean he doesnt exist NOR does it mean he does. What the parent-poster was trying to assert was that the proof that God DOESNT exist is unecessary. Proof that he DOES is. Anyone who says " I belive in God. You should too." MUST have a proof that a God exists for him (and myself) to agree. That God exists needs to be proven -- because it cant, sensible people will not agree that he does.
To take it one step further, I say God doesnt exist because the 'proof' otherwise is so baseless, so laughably ridiculous -- so flatly stupid -- that i cant imagine "mistakes" were made in the argument; the 'ideas' forwarded by advocates of judeo-christian mythology are so incredibly preposterous that a correct DEFINITION of "GOD" should still be their goal.
Did life start underwater? HuH? What are you talking about? It is clearly stated in the Bible that Adam and Eve were in a garden, and I dont think ive ever seen a Garden underwater -- you silly head.
I dont understand why those silly scientists continue to talk about such nonsense, really i mean, we already have the Bible which details the creation of the earth and the universe 4000 years ago! it says it right there, in black and white! I mean, Didnt God just create life on like the 2nd or 3rd day?
You better go ask your priest if you need simple questions like these answered.
All goods should pay for their disposal UP FRONT. Like PC disposal charges, this would internalize the disposal cost. Why is the state (when in the US it does so little of real value) required to offer disposal services? Why not require manufacturers/purchasers pay the cost directly?
Something like that would go ALONG way in curbing consumer culture - can you imagine, actually being RESPONSIBLE (to a degree) for the whole environmental cost of consumerism?
if we could only internalize the environmental cost of manufacture of items into their costs... that would be great... oh, and the cost to REHABILITATE the planet because of all the needless pollution... terrific.
It begs the question of what else could have been done with the same money and far superior management.
Just a moment. Your statemnet implies that bad managment has resulted in a bad cost vs gain scenario.
I want to stop you right there, because I do not see why it would be assumed that bad MANAGMENT of the money (obviously by NASA) is to blame here. Maybe the cost vs gain inequality here had to do with a bad set of OBJECTIVES? or maybe, the problem had to do with an EXTERNAL situation?
Had the goal "build a spacestation REALLY cheap" been the goal, things might have been different... but "REALLY cheap" sometimes ends up requiring some other things, like exposure to additional risk (like.. people going boom in the shuttle launch kinda risk). Now, Im not saying "all risk is bad" (in fact, i would argue that MORE physical risk is acceptable in ventures like these (exploration is a human nature)). FURTHER, maybe Plutocratic PORK BARRALING has built in some costs here - like requiring NASA spread its $ joy round many states unnecessarily. Instead of being forced to only use US suppliers (in some cases (for fantasy 'security risk' scenarios). US suppliers wouldnt have been used had COST-ONLY methodology been used... isnt this free market wonderfull? Free when you can internalize gain (kickbacks as 'campaign contributions), not so Free-A-Market when you can make costs public..(big fat NASA budgets)
What im gettin at is this -- ALL major endevours have an element of mismanagment, ALL major endevours are handled by large organizations.. in this case NASA.
This poster has revealed a true misconception (bigotry/paranoia) that is VERY distinctly American: That the GUMMINT is inefficient and wastefull. This is NOT TRUE. The Government (NASA), like any other LARGE body is a very difficult thing to organize -- and keep efficient (hence the cost vs. gain 'problem' mentioned above). Anyone who works in a large-ish organization can attest to absurd waste and absolute chaos*... THOSE NATURAL elements of organizations bread inefficiency either in the Government or Private worlds.
FUTHER, this post reveals the author's ignorance, it replaces a false meme and is flatly misleading. Being based on false assumptions, it is too biased a basis for a valid discussion.
So, on this topic, I would say that 40Billion was well spent, and the ISS cost exactly that - as it should have... now, if you want to say, should we have build an ISS, that I believe, is the real question... not this venting of Anti-Gummint McCarthy-ispired idiocy. This is really an example of a Plutocratic and corrupt government using NASA as a slush-organization to reap some personal rewards...
*I work at a "Fortune 5" (not 500, but 5) companie... and I see tens of thousands literally flushed daily.. so dont try and tell me about private enterprise being inherently efficient.... its utter bollocks.
I blame your Republicrats and their Plutocratic friends building a system for themselves alone to thrive.... go figure.
How about Thunderbird?
according to this it is the Aboriginal American's name for the phoenix myth.
..the trouble is that "trademark" law is "expanding". In the past, no one would consider bringing such an obviously wrong accusation.
This would only be a problem if a prospective customer would be confused between item A && item B based on an infringing trademark. For instance, Phoenix Bios and Foenix Bios - the latter would obviously be infringing. But in this case, Phoenix the Web Browser can never cause confusion because there is no possibility of a web browser-item being confused with a bios-item.
So, even a layperson can see there is no infringement - BUT- in the new universe of corporate-lawyer as bullies , Phoenix Bios only has to accuse Phoenix Web-Browser in order that the Browser people would have to change the name, *because* they havnt the $ resources to buy their justice.
THAT is the real tragedy here.
Hah! Back in my high school, every computer in the building was running a BASIC interpreter, which we could type programs to over a 1200 baud teletype. Did I mention there was only one computer, and it occupied the entire building?
Hah! Hah! back in my high school every computer in the building was an ABACUS, which was operated by a student! We had to simulate the ALU of a CPU by arranging desks in the gymnasium (which was actually just a big cave beyond the river) - we would perform a binary addition and have to SPEAK to the person near us on the "BUS" with the result. It would take HOURS to add to long integers... and, due to the advanced Telephone Effect (tm) - there was a 99% error rate - we had to perform the calculation hundreds of times before we could be certain of the result...
We did this all without shoes in the snow, uphill both ways.
Bah! IC based computers running on electricity - we WERE THE CPU && ELECTRICITY!
clock cycles? shit, we could only process on the leading edge of the SUN!