Have a look at the GPLed GNU/Linux equal -- Driftnet
Run it on your LAN @ work for some scary results! (i shut it off after 10 minutes, after the pics of cross-dressing-victorian-era-constume-fan pics popped up *shudder*)
I would suggest you all consider NOT shopping at Walmart -- for anything at all -- read this please
It is very sad that this story is also posted on May Day, which is (as another/. headline states) Labour Day everywhere else in the world but Canada, USA and SouthAfrica. Did you know May Day became Labour Day because of the American Labour Movement? Read a little history here
Whats that sound? Thats the sound of every >18 year old rushing to out to cancel their accounts to avoid all 12 year old "suxorsmedonkee" players about to get an account.
They will, in one quick swoop change EQ from a MMORPG to a MMO???.
Oh well, im waiting for PlaneShift or the (really far out it seems) WorldForge -- though it seems the latter is FAR to ambitious to produce any playable MMORPG anytime soon.
should they not be allowed to market and profit from this method?
not so quick. patents are different from Copy-Control. But Ill bite. I believe Copy-right should be abolished. Patents given another reasonable limit (different classes for different types of 'invention', most being less than say... 24 months, few greater than 2-4 years and none greater than 10) I *AM* just making those numbers up off the top of my head... but that sounds about right)
I make a contractual agreement with my employer: what I invent is sold to them, and becomes their property.
You dont "invent", you "build". Its more plumber and less Tesla.
What they do with their own property
I would argue its not "property" at all - its a simple agreement. One that is proving to costly for citizens of the public to support - see Microsoft-The-Monopolists and The Anti-Piracy-Police-Extortion-Cartel, Disney's Infinite Copyright the DMCA and the SSSCA/CBDTPA.
I don't expect to be paid again and again, because I've agreed to sell the rights to another party.
Ah, but they do! How did the thing (your program) change between your creating it and your WageMaster? Why do they get to extract blood from the public as a peddler of your effort (now finished (again, think plumber && toilet flush))?
If I don't like the arrangement
This is another topic, but Id like to make a bit of an OT point. Plutocrats would like you to believe you have 'freedom' and 'opportunity' in your 'professional life'. Mostly Americans believe that each and every-one of themselves is a unique and special thing. Let me tell you a secret: The world has billions of people, many MANY MANY MANY could serve your function (as relates to your employer) very well. So, you are many and they are few... tell me, who has the power in this relationship? But spare me the ego and bravado you are encouraged to have. Non-Americans can tell by observation and casual contact that Americans are recipients of copious amounts of propaganda which fosters this illusion of personal power.
I can go work somewhere else
yes, but you will have to scratch and fight for the opportunity to work.
or become a plumber. What if you want to be a programmer and what if no one needs plumbers? Its the poor house for you Mr. Personal-Power-I-Am-A-Valuable-Super-Important-Ind ividual.
You will have as much ability to save yourself as Ordinary American Citizens do towards putting Intellectual Property Law back into the realm of sanity.
Fantasy belief number one: People would love using command-line, UNIX-like environments if they didn't constantly have Microsoft shoving GUIs down their throat.
What are you talking about? What does GUI vs CLI have to do with this? Fantasy belief number two: Users prefer technical superiority over usability.
And Children prefer candy over green-beans. Do you let your children sit down to a meal of cake and suger-candy? (Soccer Mom Whimper: "Wont someone please think of the children!") Fantasy belief number three: Slap a buggy, bloated GUI desktop on top of UNIX, and end users will flock to it in droves.
MacOSX - KDE && Gnome. Fantasy belief number four: users will struggle through hours upon hours of painful software configuration in order to thwart the Evil Software Empire.
Who is struggling? GNU/Linux gets "easier" by the day, its not "MS Easy" vs "GNU/Linux Hard" its "Familiar" vs "unFamiliar". Fantasy belief number five: Developers will give away their time and expertise to develop free software, solely to Make The World A Better Place.
When your employer sells a license - do you get a royalty? You are paid for the time you write code -- as am I -- why do you expect to be paid again, and again, and again - see the plumber point again please. Further, think about "Intellectual Property" (which is borne by a moment and act (like anything else)) vs "Property". Fantasy belief number six: Ug. Me Stallman. Proprietary Bad. Ug. Open Good! RMS gives lucid and appropriate-to-the-audience commentary. He "sticks" to the point because there are still many who havnt heard. He is a terrific communicator with an excellent understanding of language and its use as a tool. Not everyone in the world has read hundreds of RMS interviews from the front-page of/. - you and i have - but imagine how clear the idea of Free Software would be after reading this interview. It is not a simple concept, nor is it common, it is necessary for RMS to not confuse the subject but instead deliver the relevant 'jist' of Free Software as quickly and clearly as possible.
I love to read RMS interviews like this - it means thousands of ignorant people will just have received the meaning of Free Software.
And finally, to some people like myself, a person is a product of his relationships to his friends, family and his community. When you look at yourself, you are only a demonstration of your morals. If you cannot live a principled life - one guided by an imperative to do 'good'*, then you are failing as a person. I have been given an opportunity to "Make The World A Better Place" -- by my basic existence, as have you -- and it is my sole goal in life, and many others.**
*Of your choosing, this is true Freedom and Liberty. **If not, we would all be sitting in mud huts masturbating and getting drunk all day.
"If software can be freely distributed, how can developers be assured of making money from their software?"
If Plumbers are not allowed to extract a royalty or fee from flushing the toilet, how are they supposed to make money from their work?
Answer: Being payed to create in the first place.
Remember, Intellectual "Property" is not "Property" at all....
Also, RMS's assertion that "inertia" is the reason everyone isn't using free software ignores the fact that the bulk of free systems and software packages have lousy usability.
Inertia is absolutely correct. Free Systems may not be the best choice in all cases, it is in some - and other areas are always getting better. Rome wasnt built in a day, and it will take time, but "Free Software" will replace proprietary alternatives in most cases.
Oh well. RMS continues to live in his little fantasy world, while the real world shrugs its collective shoulders...
Now youve just hit one of my biggest peeves. What the fuck are you talking about? The "Real World" is what we make it, being a coward and pretending like the present (and comfortable) system is the end-all-be-all of reality? Do you really expect people to cowar in fear at the prospect of making change because it is too hard to try? What a terribly pathetic statement, i reserve some of my greatest distaste for people who drop that vile non sequitur. More comfortable sucking up to the powers-that-be because it is easier? Hell, they might even reward you for your blind dedication. Why rock the boat, dont make waves eh? To afraid to ask the big questions and make real-fundemental change? Afraid to engage your fellow main and face "the Real World" in the face? Get out of the way!!!!
Its about FUD && Propaganda - and RMS knows this, he may seem like a 'broken' record to "us", but he is spreading his meme well. Read some Chomsky - language is a complex tool.
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...how about the 'auto-sync' script's log for a mirror host-operator?
If you photocopy a whole book it takes a lot longer than the 9 minutes it takes for a cd.
If you photocopy a book, you don't get a near perfect copy, whereas if you copy a cd you do.
This does, to any logical person, not matter a wit. Either the act is legal or it is not, why try and confuse the subject with this muddy it-changes-the-feeling-of-the-act-and-result.
Are you proposing Information Would be Free if it lasts longer than %arbitrary_time% to propagate and the result is sub-optimal by %this_much%?
Do you work for the RIAA? I cant see any-other reason to foist these non-sequitur arguments... outside of irrelevant FUD/propaganda to "change the subject" in a public debate.
What does this mean? (first see this faq) You can take your friend's CD and burn yourself a copy - and its legal. This is because Canadians pay a levy on CDRs which 'compensate' producers (et al). I dont agree that this is the best tactic, but it is a powerful one. If people were informed of this fact, and groups actively promoted this, you could eliminate the present distribution scheme in Canada (retailers/distributors/labels). The Library would be all that Canadians needed to have copies of all the music they wanted.
Now, why is this going OT? I would like to know, does anyone have links or Info to make a Linux based, CDR 'copy machine'? I would like to organize a 'Copy Your Friends CDs Party" at a library or some such (near the Uni in town would be good), but would like to be able to copy many-many volumes of CDs.
I also have thought about make such a device available on loan to local Libraries in order to 'promote' and 'encourage' the practice.
Can anyone provide a info to do such a thing? What would be really nice is if the device could be operated without a monitor - just insert discs and close the trays...
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Have a look at the GPLed GNU/Linux equal -- Driftnet
Run it on your LAN @ work for some scary results! (i shut it off after 10 minutes, after the pics of cross-dressing-victorian-era-constume-fan pics popped up *shudder*)
Anyone interested in an Open Robotics system PLEASE ignore this SONY-BS and have a look at this: Open PINO platform
My wrist hurts from deleting over a meg of mail worm viruses a day
Yes, Taco, it is from handling your mouse that has caused your wrist trouble..
Yeah, sure.
OSX sucks because Apple did all they could to "steal" BSD.
Put a GUI ontop of FreeBSD and keep *it* propriatary does not feel like help, it feels like theft.
For this reason, OSX is not as attractive as GNU/Linux or *BSD -- for anyone intersted in keeping intellectually honest in this discussion.
I would suggest you all consider NOT shopping at Walmart -- for anything at all -- read this please
/. headline states) Labour Day everywhere else in the world but Canada, USA and SouthAfrica. Did you know May Day became Labour Day because of the American Labour Movement? Read a little history here
It is very sad that this story is also posted on May Day, which is (as another
Why, in a 500 machine shop, would you not keep 3 or 4 spare machines (at least).
replacing MBs and PSes are really few and far between -- really, if 'parts' are an issue, keep some in house.
Jesus, we consider mice/keyboards consumable items and hand them out like candy...
my own (ages 8, 5, 3 and 1)
Hey jackass, wanna save some space on the planet for the rest of us to have children or are you gonna pop out another 2 or 3?
Loser
i bet your catholic.
which, according to them would violate the DMCA if it is released
There is no DMCA in Canada.
this is Transgaming FUD.
See my .sig!
Canada needs to re-invent their democracy, we have increasing voter apathy and a decreasingly responsive gov't.
I suggest A) referedums for MANY issues (not mill-rates and garbage..)
B) Remove the senate and repalce it w/ a proportional house
dont be an idoit, it has nothing to do with Canadian Social Democracy vs. American Plutocracy; it is corruption plain and simple.
.sig -- that will make ruling parites accountable...
Dont like it? See my
BTW: if you live in Windsor, ON: Caboto club @ 19:00 all candidates for the by-election.
Im OTW now, only stopped to reply to this Torontonian.
Your FIRED!
Regards,
J.
We should build robots that look and sound like Family Members(TM) -- you would never have to see your old depressing boring grandparents..
sheesh
WorldForge
Whats that sound? Thats the sound of every >18 year old rushing to out to cancel their accounts to avoid all 12 year old "suxorsmedonkee" players about to get an account.
They will, in one quick swoop change EQ from a MMORPG to a MMO???.
Oh well, im waiting for PlaneShift or the (really far out it seems) WorldForge -- though it seems the latter is FAR to ambitious to produce any playable MMORPG anytime soon.
You see a screen with a world map, and you have to *guess* where your city is located by tapping on the worldmap to set the timezone correctly
Thats right, I want a PDA so simple - yet capable - that
A) has a GPS to determine my location just to set the time
B) Doesnt require me to know where I AM ON THE PLANET.
it's not because Microsoft is forcing Windows into their hands at gunpoint
Well, they kinda are. Havent you heard they are a monopoly? that they forced OEMs to shut out other OSs? In essence they actually are.
apt-get install blah-blah-blah
Prefer GUI software install? how about this?
should they not be allowed to market and profit from this method?
d ividual.
not so quick. patents are different from Copy-Control. But Ill bite. I believe Copy-right should be abolished. Patents given another reasonable limit (different classes for different types of 'invention', most being less than say... 24 months, few greater than 2-4 years and none greater than 10) I *AM* just making those numbers up off the top of my head... but that sounds about right)
I make a contractual agreement with my employer: what I invent is sold to them, and becomes their property.
You dont "invent", you "build". Its more plumber and less Tesla.
What they do with their own property
I would argue its not "property" at all - its a simple agreement. One that is proving to costly for citizens of the public to support - see Microsoft-The-Monopolists and The Anti-Piracy-Police-Extortion-Cartel, Disney's Infinite Copyright the DMCA and the SSSCA/CBDTPA.
I don't expect to be paid again and again, because I've agreed to sell the rights to another party.
Ah, but they do! How did the thing (your program) change between your creating it and your WageMaster? Why do they get to extract blood from the public as a peddler of your effort (now finished (again, think plumber && toilet flush))?
If I don't like the arrangement
This is another topic, but Id like to make a bit of an OT point. Plutocrats would like you to believe you have 'freedom' and 'opportunity' in your 'professional life'. Mostly Americans believe that each and every-one of themselves is a unique and special thing. Let me tell you a secret: The world has billions of people, many MANY MANY MANY could serve your function (as relates to your employer) very well. So, you are many and they are few... tell me, who has the power in this relationship? But spare me the ego and bravado you are encouraged to have. Non-Americans can tell by observation and casual contact that Americans are recipients of copious amounts of propaganda which fosters this illusion of personal power.
I can go work somewhere else
yes, but you will have to scratch and fight for the opportunity to work.
or become a plumber.
What if you want to be a programmer and what if no one needs plumbers? Its the poor house for you Mr. Personal-Power-I-Am-A-Valuable-Super-Important-In
You will have as much ability to save yourself as Ordinary American Citizens do towards putting Intellectual Property Law back into the realm of sanity.
Fantasy belief number one: People would love using command-line, UNIX-like environments if they didn't constantly have Microsoft shoving GUIs down their throat.
/. - you and i have - but imagine how clear the idea of Free Software would be after reading this interview. It is not a simple concept, nor is it common, it is necessary for RMS to not confuse the subject but instead deliver the relevant 'jist' of Free Software as quickly and clearly as possible.
What are you talking about? What does GUI vs CLI have to do with this?
Fantasy belief number two: Users prefer technical superiority over usability.
And Children prefer candy over green-beans. Do you let your children sit down to a meal of cake and suger-candy? (Soccer Mom Whimper: "Wont someone please think of the children!")
Fantasy belief number three: Slap a buggy, bloated GUI desktop on top of UNIX, and end users will flock to it in droves.
MacOSX - KDE && Gnome.
Fantasy belief number four: users will struggle through hours upon hours of painful software configuration in order to thwart the Evil Software Empire.
Who is struggling? GNU/Linux gets "easier" by the day, its not "MS Easy" vs "GNU/Linux Hard" its "Familiar" vs "unFamiliar".
Fantasy belief number five: Developers will give away their time and expertise to develop free software, solely to Make The World A Better Place.
When your employer sells a license - do you get a royalty? You are paid for the time you write code -- as am I -- why do you expect to be paid again, and again, and again - see the plumber point again please. Further, think about "Intellectual Property" (which is borne by a moment and act (like anything else)) vs "Property".
Fantasy belief number six: Ug. Me Stallman. Proprietary Bad. Ug. Open Good!
RMS gives lucid and appropriate-to-the-audience commentary. He "sticks" to the point because there are still many who havnt heard. He is a terrific communicator with an excellent understanding of language and its use as a tool. Not everyone in the world has read hundreds of RMS interviews from the front-page of
I love to read RMS interviews like this - it means thousands of ignorant people will just have received the meaning of Free Software.
And finally, to some people like myself, a person is a product of his relationships to his friends, family and his community. When you look at yourself, you are only a demonstration of your morals. If you cannot live a principled life - one guided by an imperative to do 'good'*, then you are failing as a person. I have been given an opportunity to "Make The World A Better Place" -- by my basic existence, as have you -- and it is my sole goal in life, and many others.**
*Of your choosing, this is true Freedom and Liberty.
**If not, we would all be sitting in mud huts masturbating and getting drunk all day.
Did you read my comment? Did you see the plumber analogy? THINK ABOUT IT.
"If software can be freely distributed, how can developers be assured of making money from their software?"
If Plumbers are not allowed to extract a royalty or fee from flushing the toilet, how are they supposed to make money from their work?
Answer: Being payed to create in the first place.
Remember, Intellectual "Property" is not "Property" at all....
Also, RMS's assertion that "inertia" is the reason everyone isn't using free software ignores the fact that the bulk of free systems and software packages have lousy usability.
Inertia is absolutely correct. Free Systems may not be the best choice in all cases, it is in some - and other areas are always getting better. Rome wasnt built in a day, and it will take time, but "Free Software" will replace proprietary alternatives in most cases.
Oh well. RMS continues to live in his little fantasy world, while the real world shrugs its collective shoulders...
Now youve just hit one of my biggest peeves. What the fuck are you talking about? The "Real World" is what we make it, being a coward and pretending like the present (and comfortable) system is the end-all-be-all of reality? Do you really expect people to cowar in fear at the prospect of making change because it is too hard to try? What a terribly pathetic statement, i reserve some of my greatest distaste for people who drop that vile non sequitur. More comfortable sucking up to the powers-that-be because it is easier? Hell, they might even reward you for your blind dedication. Why rock the boat, dont make waves eh? To afraid to ask the big questions and make real-fundemental change? Afraid to engage your fellow main and face "the Real World" in the face? Get out of the way!!!!
I absolutely agree 100%.
You will probably find this amusing
Its about FUD && Propaganda - and RMS knows this, he may seem like a 'broken' record to "us", but he is spreading his meme well. Read some Chomsky - language is a complex tool.
...how about the 'auto-sync' script's log for a mirror host-operator?
If you photocopy a whole book it takes a lot longer than the 9 minutes it takes for a cd.
If you photocopy a book, you don't get a near perfect copy, whereas if you copy a cd you do.
This does, to any logical person, not matter a wit. Either the act is legal or it is not, why try and confuse the subject with this muddy it-changes-the-feeling-of-the-act-and-result.
Are you proposing Information Would be Free if it lasts longer than %arbitrary_time% to propagate and the result is sub-optimal by %this_much%?
Do you work for the RIAA? I cant see any-other reason to foist these non-sequitur arguments... outside of irrelevant FUD/propaganda to "change the subject" in a public debate.
In Canada it is also (...for now... but stay tuned to properly oppose any pending legislation(!)) perfectly legal for a person to make copies of their own media. It is also absolutely LEGAL to copy ANOTHER PERSONS AUDIO CD.
What does this mean? (first see this faq) You can take your friend's CD and burn yourself a copy - and its legal. This is because Canadians pay a levy on CDRs which 'compensate' producers (et al). I dont agree that this is the best tactic, but it is a powerful one. If people were informed of this fact, and groups actively promoted this, you could eliminate the present distribution scheme in Canada (retailers/distributors/labels). The Library would be all that Canadians needed to have copies of all the music they wanted.
Now, why is this going OT? I would like to know, does anyone have links or Info to make a Linux based, CDR 'copy machine'? I would like to organize a 'Copy Your Friends CDs Party" at a library or some such (near the Uni in town would be good), but would like to be able to copy many-many volumes of CDs.
I also have thought about make such a device available on loan to local Libraries in order to 'promote' and 'encourage' the practice.
Can anyone provide a info to do such a thing? What would be really nice is if the device could be operated without a monitor - just insert discs and close the trays...